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00:01:47,944\n很好,謝謝你的回應。法規、明文規定禁止,對嗎?好,那另外請。那如果是這樣,我來跟你說一下,當時在這個會員大會上,發言的人這位叫郭俊仁先生。如果大家覺得這個是一般人的話,那我們覺得也就算了。可是要跟兩位報告,這位藍鞋的監事主席,他並非跟保險無關。他的資料我們上網查了,他其實是台灣某一家保險公司的協理。\n\n6\n00:01:48,604 --> 00:02:09,287\n也就是說他是專業從業人員所以如果按照您剛剛的說法與法規定禁止退休行為但是他卻在公開場合甚至這樣對球員對整個保險公司做出不實的指控甚至說出你們覺得你們明文規定禁止的事情請問兩位怎麼看這個事情\n\n7\n00:02:10,799 --> 00:02:11,379\n您所謂的要再查,你認為要查什麼?\n\n8\n00:02:29,833 --> 00:02:48,562\n但其實我要談的是整個目前運動員保險單到底在目前的狀況是不是有退用的事情我覺得就是您剛剛說的你必須要去查不然為什麼他會在現場做出這樣的言論跟指控我真心要說對保險公司尤其是這個案子保險公司跟對球員都非常的不公平\n\n9\n00:02:49,182 --> 00:02:59,933\n在事後的很多球員回應上包含他們自己也說從來沒有這樣的事情他們不知道為什麼這個監事主席他要說出這樣的指控所以也要拜託你們要積極去查可以嗎\n\n10\n00:03:01,072 --> 00:03:07,776\n好那再來就是如果您剛剛說的針對保險人員他們疑似宣稱可以透過保險退用的說法到底相關的業務倫理這件事情我相信是不是可以再做更多很重要的宣示或相關的業務盤點\n\n11\n00:03:22,765 --> 00:03:22,785\n好﹗\n\n12\n00:03:42,464 --> 00:04:08,549\n因為推庸這件事情我們是在法令上明定是不可以的所以如果有查到的話其實我們會要求公司依法要處理那如果公司在管理上不當我們也會處分公司所以我們會去清查一下剛剛請教你們兩位的就拜託你們可以在一個月內完成有機會嗎因為現在大家都會說不確定520會不會在嘛但是還有一些時間所以我們就押一個月內完成可以嗎可以我局長還會在\n\n13\n00:04:15,470 --> 00:04:30,115\n在之前有一個記者會我相信你們其實也都有出席在這個蔡其昌委員、林益錦委員還有莊惠雄委員的這個運動員保險的公聽會上會中保險局也有出席那當天保險局的發言其實給了體育署很重要的指導我必須這麼說\n\n14\n00:04:31,095 --> 00:04:47,600\n因為當天體育署的發言可以感受到體育署很多對於保險這個議題的想法真的是有一點天馬行空我們辦公室當然自己積極都有在跟體育署討論包含他們當天說要把運發基金拿來當再保單位其實我相信就兩位的專業認知應該離保險實務非常遙遠對不對這種說法\n\n15\n00:04:53,773 --> 00:05:12,001\n財保的話要成立財保公司才有可能成就財保我們來看一下可是我們當然要感謝願意提供運動員保險商品保單的保險公司可是相關費率的調整我們要拜託金管會積極跟保險公司討論那我最後想要拜託你們可不可以研議一件事情\n\n16\n00:05:12,481 --> 00:05:33,903\n其實在現行的保險法167-1條的函式裡面可以接受保險代理人去進行海外保險商品的部分但是目前沒有辦法在運動員保險商品裡面有沒有機會納入函式跟討論讓我們的運動員選手有更多保險的選擇可不可以請你們在一個月內做出演繹跟給我們回覆\n\n17\n00:05:36,675 --> 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