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00:00:07,035\n謝謝主席請主席邀請王部長王部長部長早安今天委員會就是針對這個國道六號東延花蓮的建設以及花蓮地震陸海空應變機制進行這個詢答我們知道就是民意代表基於這個職者替地方爭取交通建設我想這個都是天經地義無可厚非的\n\n2\n00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:43,355\n所以對於這個目前有委員要倡議推動福道六號東延花蓮這個建設目前針對這個建設我們交通部有沒有什麼相關的作為?\n\n3\n00:00:44,232 --> 00:01:03,476\n是,我跟委員報告,我們現在去年年底啟動叫做路廊踏勘及地質踏勘這兩個工作所以我們現在等下找這個路,還有包括地質的調查,剛才談到這個中央商賣太多的這個斷層、原爆還有一些還有一個環境敏感地帶\n\n4\n00:01:04,477 --> 00:01:27,576\n那我們是覺得整個國道六號東延我們現在在就是已經持正面態度在做這個相關研究但是他一定要經過這個嚴肅的一個評估我們在進行後續所以我們是覺得說還是要有一個嚴謹的評估這個道路未來可行會更高所以我們是希望朝這方面來走的\n\n5\n00:01:27,896 --> 00:01:48,624\n對,我們知道就是每一件這個重大的工程都不是一觸可及的而且它的完成也是牽涉的面很廣那條件也不一樣所以我們在推動這個公共的建設就是有一定的一個流程跟期程所以今天這個副委員他提出了這個國道六號東延的這個條例那就\n\n6\n00:01:51,505 --> 00:01:51,665\n﹝無言﹞\n\n7\n00:02:17,176 --> 00:02:30,792\n這個委員所提的這些可行性評估到這個施工的這個過程那我們是覺得這樣事實上跟我們過去的這個嚴謹的是違反的我們是期待還是走回這個地方是\n\n8\n00:02:31,432 --> 00:02:58,150\n對,因為剛剛我有提到就是每一個公共建設的完成它牽涉的人面很廣那具備的條件不一樣所以尤其就是說以目前他們在推動的這個國道六號因為尤其要通過這個中央山脈這個是中央山脈也是被這個就是一些保育專家列為是一個地質敏感區跟保育區所以未來是不是可以在這樣子的一個環境敏感區來興建這個\n\n9\n00:03:01,292 --> 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