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00:03:32,971\n從德台九線的崩山是這麼可怕這裡面有多少人在第一時間就被活埋了開始倒車逃命梳花公路\n\n9\n00:03:57,531 --> 00:04:21,888\n聽見警報聲響、駕駛油門吹落去、躲進隧道逃命直播差點沒命因為下一秒眼前景象讓車上的人不敢置信前方道路全坍塌、隨後滿天煙塵、席捲而來行車記錄器全被土石覆蓋、伸手不見、無止的恐怖景象有如世界末日般、駕駛前後遭到煽動\n\n10\n00:04:48,134 --> 00:05:15,350\n因為我們的家人每天回家跟出門都要走這樣的路我們的同理心、將心比心在哪裡?將心比心在哪裡?可以了,把它關掉\n\n11\n00:05:18,690 --> 00:05:41,825\n所以我要請教一下為什麼台灣還有這樣的人民在這種環境當中來生活我們大家的同理心在哪裡?台八線還能走嗎?新的路廊早就應該要做了讓大家都能夠平平安安在台灣成為一個共同的生活圈所以我這裡先表達請部長\n\n12\n00:05:46,944 --> 00:06:13,375\n請部長本席請教一下2020年3月4號就在這個委員會我們通過了國道六號的這個探勘啟動2020年3月4號就通過了主決議在委員會林佳龍部長競表尊重也支持在本委員會通過以後\n\n13\n00:06:15,161 --> 00:06:39,361\n現在路朗探勘到什麼時候可以完成?目前是去年年底完成委託115。那我是覺得在這一次我的確看到整個台北市……委託金額是多少錢?一千多少?一千八百萬。一千八百萬路朗就可以探勘完成嗎?\n\n14\n00:06:43,024 --> 00:07:09,279\n什麼時候可以完成路廊的探勘?地質研究?現在是115年底嗎?2026年年底北齊再一次強調2020年年初通過的決議要到2026年年底才能夠完成地質的研究還要再來可行性再加個五年、八年\n\n15\n00:07:11,650 --> 00:07:39,734\n那個都已經不曉得改朝換代多少次了。我想交通部就是用這樣的心態在面對這樣的事情。我們希望部長這是留給兒孫走的路。他要去韓院長跟陳建仁院長說完工的時候我們已經不在位子上但是給代代兒孫一條安全的路來走。\n\n16\n00:07:40,970 --> 00:08:01,574\n我想這樣的心情韓院長的心情陳建元院長也表示支持我們希望交通部所屬單位能夠盡快完成這個事情這不只是安全的問題更是人道的問題所以不要想說再來完成什麼地質調查報告可行性研究\n\n17\n00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:26,016\n陳陳文燦副院長在跟我討論這個事情他說你看我們現在環島高鐵我們不是不做啊我們要做啊台北延伸到宜蘭要做啊高雄延伸到屏東要做啊行政院要做啊我說什麼時候輪到行政院來做你用BOT的案子就可以了嘛我說台灣高鐵就是BOT啊你為什麼政府又突然跳進來自己要來做\n\n18\n00:08:28,178 --> 00:08:28,479\n拜託民間來做\n\n19\n00:08:46,346 --> 00:09:06,478\n這很簡單的事情。我們希望這是不要再空耗下去。而且國道六號打通的事情在條例寫得很清楚。促進民間參與。不管是國內的BOT還是國際的BOT。人家來做地質的研究調查、路廊的三竿可信研究都不會比我們的政府要快10倍。所以我們還是誠意的來面對這個問題。\n\n20\n00:09:11,377 --> 00:09:32,075\n部長,可以嗎?我想說阿安。這次有提及看到台九線跟台八線的脆弱。我想說阿安121我們現在環評4月底就送進去。就121把它完成了。那這個國道六號的東延,事業讓上次委員談到VOT我也跟局長談過了。\n\n21\n00:09:55,832 --> 00:09:56,793\n﹝國道六號東延花蓮建設特別條例草案．\n\n22\n00:10:14,947 --> 00:10:40,734\n二零二零年三月四號通過二零二六年年底才會完成前後竟然要花六年九個月的時間一個路線地質調查要六年九個月唉我覺得齁部長啊交給民間來做啦數效率絕對比政府好啦我想啊不要用所謂的行政程序來卡關\n\n23\n00:10:43,268 --> 00:10:54,207\n蘇花案到現在201616年就應該要做的事情到現在2024年蘇花案的環評還被退建還要求補建八年了\n\n24\n00:10:56,141 --> 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陳文燦副院長在跟我討論這個事情他說你看我們現在環島高鐵我們不是不做啊我們要做啊台北延伸到宜蘭要做啊高雄延伸到屏東要做啊行政院要做啊我說什麼時候輪到行政院來做你用BOT的案子就可以了嘛我說台灣高鐵就是BOT啊你為什麼政府又突然跳進來自己要來做\n508178\t508479\t拜託民間來做\n526346\t546478\t這很簡單的事情。我們希望這是不要再空耗下去。而且國道六號打通的事情在條例寫得很清楚。促進民間參與。不管是國內的BOT還是國際的BOT。人家來做地質的研究調查、路廊的三竿可信研究都不會比我們的政府要快10倍。所以我們還是誠意的來面對這個問題。\n551377\t572075\t部長,可以嗎?我想說阿安。這次有提及看到台九線跟台八線的脆弱。我想說阿安121我們現在環評4月底就送進去。就121把它完成了。那這個國道六號的東延,事業讓上次委員談到VOT我也跟局長談過了。\n573456\t595452\t﹏﹏﹏﹏\n595832\t596793\t﹝國道六號東延花蓮建設特別條例草案．\n614947\t640734\t二零二零年三月四號通過二零二六年年底才會完成前後竟然要花六年九個月的時間一個路線地質調查要六年九個月唉我覺得齁部長啊交給民間來做啦數效率絕對比政府好啦我想啊不要用所謂的行政程序來卡關\n643268\t654207\t蘇花案到現在201616年就應該要做的事情到現在2024年蘇花案的環評還被退建還要求補建八年了\n656141\t684975\t今天看到這樣的一個路況我們大家要拿出良心來面對我們的國人我跟委員再說明一個重染是BOT的案子你的相關的資料也要給投資廠商包括剛剛所談到的這些地質的一些相關資料並不是說突然跳到BOT去因為他對他也不了解我想這部分我們都現在國外的這種案件很多\n685715\t712551\t你去看一下台灣高鐵當時怎麼興建的決標以後開始規劃開始處理85年到87年88年什麼時候動工什麼時候決標你回去看一下這些資料我們再一次的要表達政府的心態是什麼有沒有好好用良心來看待人民\n713982\t715243\t我們加速進行。\n","txt":"主席各位立委同仁各位媒體女士先生交通部王部長及各位官員我們再一次回顧不想從20年前不斷地在立法院不斷地呼籲\n什麼時候才能夠給23百萬人都有一條安全回家的路但是我們很汗顏啊到即時今日台灣早就是一個已開發的國家我們並不是啊孟加拉更不是一所皮牙一個已開發國家台灣島就這麼小但所有的基礎建設都還沒有來完成而且幾十年來在立法院不斷的呼籲\n當然大家都有各種不同的看法我們都尊重但是道路興建完成就是給人走的為什麼一個國家有兩種以上的國度這是我們一直很好奇每天大家出門都希望平安的回家何人啊看東台灣的鄉親讓家人們在這樣的道路上行走\n而且又是在歐亞板塊跟菲律賓板塊的擠壓之下有這麼多的天災地變颱風來就從東岸來地震又是主要的地震帶國家早就一套長遠因應的辦法在這個地方早就應該來興建這些道路我們再次的強調在這一次的0403的大地震當中樹花改\n所有的路廊都是完好如初最安全的而在台八線中橫台八線能夠幸免於難的都是躲在這個民粹道裡面\n所以為什麼我們國家的國民還要忍受這樣的一個怠惰的政府忽略對這樣的一個地區早就應該做好的基礎建設。大家很難想像這不是交通問題,交通平權、人民無價。為什麼要讓我們人民在暴險當中\n而且這一次也包括國外的觀光客也不惜得罹難還有各縣市的好朋友來到花蓮都碰到台九縣的崩山台八縣的崩山我們看一看這段影片到底為什麼我們的國家還可以容忍這樣的生活環境在台灣我們來看一下\n從德台九線的崩山是這麼可怕這裡面有多少人在第一時間就被活埋了開始倒車逃命梳花公路\n聽見警報聲響、駕駛油門吹落去、躲進隧道逃命直播差點沒命因為下一秒眼前景象讓車上的人不敢置信前方道路全坍塌、隨後滿天煙塵、席捲而來行車記錄器全被土石覆蓋、伸手不見、無止的恐怖景象有如世界末日般、駕駛前後遭到煽動\n因為我們的家人每天回家跟出門都要走這樣的路我們的同理心、將心比心在哪裡?將心比心在哪裡?可以了,把它關掉\n所以我要請教一下為什麼台灣還有這樣的人民在這種環境當中來生活我們大家的同理心在哪裡?台八線還能走嗎?新的路廊早就應該要做了讓大家都能夠平平安安在台灣成為一個共同的生活圈所以我這裡先表達請部長\n請部長本席請教一下2020年3月4號就在這個委員會我們通過了國道六號的這個探勘啟動2020年3月4號就通過了主決議在委員會林佳龍部長競表尊重也支持在本委員會通過以後\n現在路朗探勘到什麼時候可以完成?目前是去年年底完成委託115。那我是覺得在這一次我的確看到整個台北市……委託金額是多少錢?一千多少?一千八百萬。一千八百萬路朗就可以探勘完成嗎?\n什麼時候可以完成路廊的探勘?地質研究?現在是115年底嗎?2026年年底北齊再一次強調2020年年初通過的決議要到2026年年底才能夠完成地質的研究還要再來可行性再加個五年、八年\n那個都已經不曉得改朝換代多少次了。我想交通部就是用這樣的心態在面對這樣的事情。我們希望部長這是留給兒孫走的路。他要去韓院長跟陳建仁院長說完工的時候我們已經不在位子上但是給代代兒孫一條安全的路來走。\n我想這樣的心情韓院長的心情陳建元院長也表示支持我們希望交通部所屬單位能夠盡快完成這個事情這不只是安全的問題更是人道的問題所以不要想說再來完成什麼地質調查報告可行性研究\n陳 陳文燦副院長在跟我討論這個事情他說你看我們現在環島高鐵我們不是不做啊我們要做啊台北延伸到宜蘭要做啊高雄延伸到屏東要做啊行政院要做啊我說什麼時候輪到行政院來做你用BOT的案子就可以了嘛我說台灣高鐵就是BOT啊你為什麼政府又突然跳進來自己要來做\n拜託民間來做\n這很簡單的事情。我們希望這是不要再空耗下去。而且國道六號打通的事情在條例寫得很清楚。促進民間參與。不管是國內的BOT還是國際的BOT。人家來做地質的研究調查、路廊的三竿可信研究都不會比我們的政府要快10倍。所以我們還是誠意的來面對這個問題。\n部長,可以嗎?我想說阿安。這次有提及看到台九線跟台八線的脆弱。我想說阿安121我們現在環評4月底就送進去。就121把它完成了。那這個國道六號的東延,事業讓上次委員談到VOT我也跟局長談過了。\n﹏﹏﹏﹏\n﹝國道六號東延花蓮建設特別條例草案．\n二零二零年三月四號通過二零二六年年底才會完成前後竟然要花六年九個月的時間一個路線地質調查要六年九個月唉我覺得齁部長啊交給民間來做啦數效率絕對比政府好啦我想啊不要用所謂的行政程序來卡關\n蘇花案到現在201616年就應該要做的事情到現在2024年蘇花案的環評還被退建還要求補建八年了\n今天看到這樣的一個路況我們大家要拿出良心來面對我們的國人我跟委員再說明一個重染是BOT的案子你的相關的資料也要給投資廠商包括剛剛所談到的這些地質的一些相關資料並不是說突然跳到BOT去因為他對他也不了解我想這部分我們都現在國外的這種案件很多\n你去看一下台灣高鐵當時怎麼興建的決標以後開始規劃開始處理85年到87年88年什麼時候動工什麼時候決標你回去看一下這些資料我們再一次的要表達政府的心態是什麼有沒有好好用良心來看待人民\n我們加速進行。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.024 --> 00:22.470\n主席各位立委同仁各位媒體女士先生交通部王部長及各位官員我們再一次回顧不想從20年前不斷地在立法院不斷地呼籲\n\n00:24.187 --> 00:50.736\n什麼時候才能夠給23百萬人都有一條安全回家的路但是我們很汗顏啊到即時今日台灣早就是一個已開發的國家我們並不是啊孟加拉更不是一所皮牙一個已開發國家台灣島就這麼小但所有的基礎建設都還沒有來完成而且幾十年來在立法院不斷的呼籲\n\n00:52.171 --> 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