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00:01:31,862\n而我會剛剛我在那個研究室裡面聽了我們不少之前委員的發言我發現一件事就是說我們針對這案子先不要預設立場是不是能夠比較實質的才要先執行然後才知道是否能夠可行\n\n6\n00:01:32,603 --> 00:01:54,480\n甚至這樣講我剛剛在我研究室是因為要開一個協調會針對基隆的一個八斗子突堤碼頭可是八斗子突堤碼頭如果去年或前在疫情前開始做的話可能只需要八千萬這經濟部漁業署的案子但是現在我問的時候就直接要到一億兩千萬以上也就是說整個這個多出50%\n\n7\n00:02:19,739 --> 00:02:40,804\n那另外一方面呢我也必須幫我們花蓮的鄉親這次的難民講他們幫他們請願啦因為那天我有去的時候有特地有一個有一個有一個這個算是不能講記者會而是說說明會請他們幾位這些他們的那個災民代表出來講話他們提出了好幾個訴求我記得比較主要的五個\n\n8\n00:02:41,744 --> 00:03:05,212\n那第一個是他們很希望因為花蓮主要是以觀光業為主他們就很希望說我們交通部可以站出來因為交通部不是只有管交通還要管觀光能夠的話幫我們的幫這些未來他們來旅客的旅遊的工具來做出實質上的補貼像說里程數補貼啦之類讓他們旅遊的人會比較有意願在交通工具上面來到花蓮\n\n9\n00:03:06,112 --> 00:03:32,664\n那第二個是尤其是他們大客車因為現在花蓮的觀光業基本上全面斷吹的時候他們大客車他們就很擔心說這個因為當上前兩好不容易才熬過疫情那現在他們大客車很多時候很需要說這個時候跟比照疫情的時候來去做補貼甚至做出免稅像說今年免牌照稅燃料稅之類的希望說交通部可以體恤說花蓮這邊大客車有這樣的狀況\n\n10\n00:03:34,645 --> 00:03:49,448\n第三點他們有提出來是說是不是能夠在這邊提交通部建請交通部可以研究所謂的複合式的鐵公路的聯營讓說旅客可以過來過來花蓮的時候比較方便那第四點是有關民宿業者\n\n11\n00:03:50,069 --> 00:04:16,535\n民宿業者他們也是有提到說因為疫情才剛過我們有一個很好的先例不管是地震還是還是還是還是疫情都算是一種另類的都算是天災的一種那在這個情況之下呢民宿是不是可以比照疫情來去做出補助甚至他們講的比較具體點說能不能說在這半在這一年之內可不可以說他們當然是業者提出來說一年一個民宿可以補助五萬一個月補助五萬塊之類的\n\n12\n00:04:17,515 --> 00:04:37,855\n那是交通部跟中央政府的權限但是我會提出來是他們當下直接跟我講的第五個就是說他們有提到說國內外的觀光旅客來花蓮的時候是不是可以比照SARS而不是疫情是比照SARS的時候來去做出補助因為現在他們就直接提了現在很多人不敢去花蓮\n\n13\n00:04:38,596 --> 00:05:07,645\n因為花蓮現在的狀況其實蠻讓人家擔心什麼時候餘震不知道而且我們也清楚我們也清楚知道聽說太魯閣國家公園需要復育到本來的狀況就可能需要至少五年以上的時間才有可能把一些步道基本步道把它修好所以這些事情其實是他們這些災民直接向我反映的那我會希望說基於我們在過去兩年對不起過去三年的疫情時間我們常聽到一句話叫做同島一命\n\n14\n00:05:08,405 --> 00:05:32,526\n那其實現在是全台灣其實都是台灣人都是中華民國的國民是台灣人全體台灣人一起幫助花蓮的時候了而中央政府尤其是交通部就是主管交通建設也是主管觀光建設這時候應該做出領頭羊的姿態然後來幫助這次花蓮度過這個難關而甚至這樣講大破大立這個\n\n15\n00:05:34,267 --> 00:05:52,697\n國道六號東宜可以把危機化為轉機然後實質上把臺灣東部好好發展促進整個區域平衡甚至把花蓮變成所謂亞洲的後花園我想請部長這就是請部長把我剛剛講的話盡量拿回去考量好以上我要回了嗎好\n\n16\n00:05:53,337 --> 00:06:12,584\n我想很謝謝林委員對花蓮的關心。事實上我們最近在政務站副委員長已經在召開。他是整體跨部會的。剛才你談到的這個比如說牌照稅、契然費等等的也有在討論。那契然費是交通部管的。所以我們這部分是我們在處理。\n\n17\n00:06:13,644 --> 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