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我們來看一下當初我們的準總統賴清德他在當台南市市長的時候跟著蘇貞湯出來呼籲\n統籌分配款中央統籌分配款要改善我們那個時候中央政府殘棄債務的比例是多少36%按照您今天所說的我們有改善改善到27%我現在就完全聽不懂邏輯了以前國民黨在朝民進黨在野\n長期債務比例是36%他們認為統籌分配款給地方的太少要改結果現在按照你們自己的數字喔改善到27點多了你給大家的報告竟然說中央政府的債務非常的沉重討論要謹慎這什麼邏輯啊這已經讓人不知道怎麼評論啦這什麼邏輯啊36的時候\n36的時候要改善要多給地方統籌分配管現在27的時候中央政府債務負擔的比例非常的沉重所以我們財政收支劃分法討論垂直分配的時候要審慎有這種邏輯嗎\n有這種邏輯嗎?委員我們寫的是事實的一個呈現目前的一個債務比例當然我們希望能夠債務比例更能夠往下降我想這個是中央在財政上都必須要而且除非讓我們的財政韌性根組但是呢在未來在垂直分配的時候一樣是可以考慮地方的一些需求\n所以呢,現在的立法,你們現在的規劃方向是什麼?一樣嘛,是一片空洞,是嗎?不是,我剛剛跟委員報告,我們要先解決這個分配的問題。對啊,所以我現在就在跟你處理垂直分配的問題啊。我是說水平的分配應該要先做分配。所以嘛,你要繼續的拿水平分配的問題來混淆視聽嘛。\n委員會主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.250 --> 00:16.905\n謝謝主席麻煩有請財政部部長以及彰化銀行董事長林董事長林董事長委員好\n\n00:30.413 --> 00:49.440\n兩位好喔延續上一期執行的重點財政收支判分法針對垂直分配的問題也就是中央統籌分配款在分配的內容比例上面我們朝著不管是國民黨\n\n00:50.760 --> 01:08.008\n指正還是民進黨指正在野黨都說要改那民進黨上一次我們的準總統賴清德先生當任行政院院長的時候他也說要改結果人聲大雨點小到現在還無動靜\n\n01:09.289 --> 01:25.078\n也正是因為這個樣子我在上一次的時候請部長針對各種不同版本試算的結果提報告給我提報告給我那我在前兩天啊看到了你們的報告啊\n\n01:26.175 --> 01:47.049\n你們的報告寫說中央政府債務負擔人數沉重我看到這個結論我真的是非常的驚訝我為什麼說非常的驚訝我們往回看我們的即將卸任的總統蔡英文蔡總統說很少\n\n01:48.072 --> 02:14.790\n看到有國家的財務結構竟然是這麼健康的當然這個是民主進步黨的執政總統做這樣的宣稱部長您作為政務官您之前也跟整個台灣社會說中央政府債務狀況事實上是非常好的奇怪了怎麼討論到\n\n02:16.897 --> 02:30.208\n有關於財政收支劃分的時候這個馬上180度急轉彎中央政府的債務負擔人數沉重所以我的問題很簡單部長我們中央政府的財務狀況我們的債務到底是好還是不好\n\n02:36.721 --> 03:03.750\n跟委員報告中央政府目前他的債務的債務比來說跟世界其他國家來說我們其實是低的因為我們目前實際的債務比是20所以是好的嗎對但是我們仍然認為國家我們在處理我們這個財政的時候比如說我們的稅率如果比預算執行的好而且稅出能夠而且有盈餘的話我們都會優先去還債我先請教一下部長\n\n03:06.491 --> 03:22.461\n按照您當財政部部長的規劃我們的債務負擔大概要降到百分比多少以下才有條件來處理有關於統籌分配管的分配依照您的標準就好了\n\n03:23.401 --> 03:28.484\n所以你的意思是說因為我們有前章基礎建設所以有關於財政收支劃分的部分沒有辦法處理嗎那是因為怎麼樣你就講清楚嘛所以我就問你嘛\n\n03:47.233 --> 04:01.363\n你前後態度不一致嘛當人家質疑中央政府債務高的時候就出面講我們的債務狀況非常好啊結果現在要討論到統籌分配管流分配的時候財務狀況又變得不好啦\n\n04:02.833 --> 04:25.790\n是什麼?看什麼事情?方往哪邊吹?看什麼事情轉來轉去轉來轉去喔?那我也不跟你爭持按照你的標準到底是好還不好?按照你的標準到底要到什麼時候?要到什麼時候?財政收支劃分法才到可以去討論隨時分配的時間?要改善到什麼時候才能開始討論?\n\n04:27.338 --> 04:28.259\n請你先停一下好不好\n\n04:50.174 --> 04:58.491\n我現在跟你講垂直分配的事情你要繼續扯水平分配的事情那垂直分配跟水平分配是有相關聯的\n\n04:59.946 --> 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