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00:01:08,560\n或者是到2017年之後蔡英文政府開始編列相關潛艦國造的預算開始到目前為止一共在我們的海昆號裡面的預算的編列目前是達到490幾億\n\n4\n00:01:11,577 --> 00:01:23,931\n也就是說在剛才的秘密會議裡面我們所聽到的不管是接下來的港式或者是未來的這個海式\n\n5\n00:01:25,051 --> 00:01:46,591\n我們都還是很期待我們的潛艦國造第一艘的海昆號那可以在全世界的人的面前看到台灣有這個能力來製造潛艦甚至蔡英文總統之後賴清德總統也宣誓未來的\n\n6\n00:01:48,361 --> 00:02:12,242\n另外的7艘潛艦希望可以一次來建造這過程就有很多故事了剛才的秘密會議裡面我們看到很多媒體裡面所報導的跟秘密會議裡面讓我們知道的其實不盡然相同所以如果可以藉由這個機會那也可以請教部長目前的這些\n\n7\n00:02:13,783 --> 00:02:27,487\n進度以及方向上我想對於國人關心我們的潛艦國造以及潛艦到底什麼時候可以在台灣的四周真正的可以嚇阻我們的敵軍\n\n8\n00:02:31,408 --> 00:02:37,714\n謝謝委員提出的,抱歉抱歉在委員剛剛提的幾點,我第一個要說明,剛剛陳委員有跟我指導過,的確因為LIFE中有講要一次建完\n\n9\n00:02:57,811 --> 00:03:19,662\n一家伙要增加的容量各方面預算編列就成問題事實上剛剛陳委員指導很對一系列而且預算怎麼編列我們到目前並沒有一定要編成一個專案或者大入年度但剛剛我們聽取各方意見尤其這也要為了保持彈性\n\n10\n00:03:20,282 --> 00:03:20,802\n﹚李柏毅委員﹚李柏毅委員\n\n11\n00:03:46,460 --> 00:04:06,568\n所以這個逐年成長的,哪怕是八二燒通到定位了,到定位以後,剛才也有講到舊的慢慢叫替換嘛,或者再增加的量。都四十年以上了,對啊。對,這個戰力的儲存六十年多的啦,就你越多資源儲存在那邊越好嘛。\n\n12\n00:04:07,208 --> 00:04:25,642\n當然加上你儲存有沒有人力去維護那也不行所以就會找到一個平衡點讓人員也可以維護他戰力也可以發揮不會形成浪費畢竟來自全國人民的納稅錢我們不會平白無故去亂花亂用\n\n13\n00:04:27,263 --> 00:04:51,501\n謝謝部長其實我們也在這個過程裡面跟我們國人很清楚的說明潛艦國造以及潛艦未來可以怎麼樣來保衛我們台灣的安全的這個重要性我想也經過大部分人的接受接下來我們確實要面對的是這七艘怎麼造那我如果講到機密會議裡面可能比較敏感的部分那請部長提醒\n\n14\n00:04:52,942 --> 00:05:10,328\n剛剛您講的這未來的7艘當然包含這個我們建造廠商他有他要造廠的他有在造廠裡面已經造廠之後的成本在那裡了當然這個成本造下去了他未來連續要造7艘對於他的人力也好\n\n15\n00:05:10,928 --> 00:05:39,136\n那對於他的現在已經造廠的設備已經建置下去也好其實在未來的7艘裡面可能這些預算都是會減少的可能這些騎乘都是會加速的所以到底在未來這一個他還有有沒有需要在另外在做這其他的船廠有沒有在做船廠的這個建置的費用或者是未來可能這些鋼材等等這些設備他還有物調的空間等等確實\n\n16\n00:05:40,376 --> 00:06:09,267\n我相信現在全世界也幾乎沒有人可以判斷出未來這七艘潛艦預算到底會怎麼樣安排或配置但是我們可以知道的這七艘可能要分成三艘兩艘三艘還是說一次七艘可能必須要跟造船這一邊要再溝通到底是怎麼樣做才會比較適當可能要真的等到我們新任總統上任之後\n\n17\n00:06:09,887 --> 00:06:16,323\n那跟國防部以及造船廠相關的這些討論才有辦法進行這些預算的編列甚至\n\n18\n00:06:18,043 --> 00:06:21,925\n我跟委員報告,除了剛才我有講到一次跟一系列這有很大差別的\n\n19\n00:06:45,576 --> 00:07:09,765\n我們有很多事情不是莫寧兩可確定要做那就是總目標但怎麼做是當中有很多要考慮的因素包含我們剛剛講的不管是廠房啊或是物配料啊等等都要那種考慮可是剛剛委員講的這個越建越多應該越越便宜這倒未必為什麼就像講一個人他力量\n\n20\n00:07:10,205 --> 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