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00:02:40,433\n他很多次7級啦至少7級但是現在有一些舊的就沒有不符合新的大家都往7級現在的規範是7級但是就是要看他當初蓋的的時候的一個規範那他符合當時的一個規範但是如果過去比如說過去是什麼5、6級我們會用結果補強方式來把它補強所以他你指的7級是指他所在地的那個嗎\n\n8\n00:02:41,374 --> 00:02:57,314\n那個傳遞到這邊的7級當地7級嘛那所以說這個強度應該是還蠻高的啦那7級的一個要求是指說因為我知道我們有一些規範比如說大鎮不倒嘛然後什麼中鎮怎樣小鎮可以普\n\n9\n00:02:58,315 --> 00:03:26,532\n基本上跟委員報告就是說我們在這個耐震的一個強度下的話他還可以維持一個行車的一個那安全的就是人命的確保但他橋樑還是會有損傷的地方或多或少都有一些所以我們的七級就是確保他不會倒確保安全確保安全不會倒但是他可能有一些損傷就是看個案的情況這樣子那我們之後就包括後每次地震之後也都會因為像鐵路運輸一定都是先停止\n\n10\n00:03:27,826 --> 00:03:46,774\n行駛嗎對不對那在這個公路系統的部分我們是大概會在多久時間內完成的一個巡視這樣子跟委員報告我們現在是整個國道部分有密布3000支的CCTV所以我們第一時間的話會在迅速都很短的時間內確認用CCTV全部都看一遍那看一遍之後確認沒有問題那我們就繼續來行駛這樣\n\n11\n00:03:49,255 --> 00:03:58,673\n所以CCTV有包含到有有有辦法到那麼密嗎?你如果說以三千隻的話大概多長一隻?我們現在是一千一零六號公里\n\n12\n00:04:00,228 --> 00:04:24,310\n三千之一零六二公里那大概平均若算平均的話每個CCTV的話他可以論可以看得很遠所以我們可以確保我們的CCTV是能夠涵蓋就是他的視野是可以涵蓋所有的路段橋梁的部分等CCTV看完之後我們會在一個工作天之內也會在人員在做確認然後在後面的話會有那你三千多隻你要多少人才能夠把它一次一次看完\n\n13\n00:04:25,491 --> 00:04:43,969\n所以我們交通中心的人都會集中一直來關注這些事那有沒有考慮過這個用AI輔助之類的來這個幫忙判讀這樣子目前還沒有看到有這些的發展那我們現在有那個後續的話我們會看國外的狀況是怎麼做尤其是日本\n\n14\n00:04:44,708 --> 00:05:08,646\n因為其實道路你鏡頭一樣的話那它的路況原則上會一樣這車子會動而已嘛那主結構原則上是不會動嘛那其實如果說用影像來判別的話相對起來我自己的判斷難易度應該不是那麼高啦如果說有一些小的小的損傷可能或許不一定有那麼容易判讀但是如果說我們應該可以在有比較大的損傷的時候應該是有辦法用這個AI系統來做給他一個判讀嘛\n\n15\n00:05:12,615 --> 00:05:27,900\n我們大概有一些列管的一個橋樑的部分會針對那些列管比較就是說我們評估上那個耐震的會有一些風險的地方的部分會特別去注意沒有我就其實就是討論一個時效性的問題就像我們大家都會希望說\n\n16\n00:05:58,861 --> 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