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00:00:34,351\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。\n\n3\n00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:56,705\n連地方政府、各縣市政府,我相信你問了每一個縣市政府的承辦人員,可能講的都不一樣,現在面臨這個問題。\n\n4\n00:01:00,817 --> 00:01:25,072\n這怎麼辦?明年你說要上路了,現在大家是走到要死了。我們每一次一出去接到民眾的反應就是說,到底未來我們會不會因為國土計畫,然後我們所有的土地都被禁建,都被限制了,動都動不得,這也很嚴重。\n\n5\n00:01:26,277 --> 00:01:51,335\n第16條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。七、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。八、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。九、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正\n\n6\n00:01:54,011 --> 00:01:55,716\n有22個直轄縣市,那請問總共我們現在有幾個縣市?\n\n7\n00:02:03,144 --> 00:02:26,262\n跟委員報告那目前22個縣市裡面把國土功能分區圖草案送到內政部來審議的有三個縣市那包括金門、連江跟花蓮縣政府那其他的縣市據我們的了解目前都在各個縣市的國審會在進行審議當中目前都在審議當中那請問越審民眾越擔憂為什麼\n\n8\n00:02:32,829 --> 00:02:56,778\n跟委員報告那據我們的了解那第一個就是民眾對於未來國土功能分區的一些使用目前大概不是那麼樣的一個了解那另外就是連地方政府縣市政府都不懂了都不了解了請問人民怎麼了解\n\n9\n00:02:58,997 --> 00:03:14,021\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具:「原住民保留第12條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第12條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具\n\n10\n00:03:17,809 --> 00:03:22,312\n及第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財\n\n11\n00:03:30,694 --> 00:03:47,671\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。六、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。\n\n12\n00:03:49,733 --> 00:03:51,996\n對阿,所以你知道嗎,現在網路上好多,趕快趕快,你趕快申辦,你趕快送,現在不送來不及了,我們每天被追著跑,委員阿,快啦,我們的案件要快送啦,沒有送的不會付啦,我說什麼不會付啦。\n\n13\n00:04:07,065 --> 00:04:34,127\n所以我覺得你們是不是應該做一個什麼樣的一個說明然後把這些疑義講得更清楚否則地方政府再審反而民眾更擔憂民眾更恐慌所以才會說你要演啊不要急速上路啊急速上路之後可能百姓沒有辦法接受之後會反射在我們執政團隊的支持度上\n\n14\n00:04:35,670 --> 00:04:46,797\n跟委員報告那我們大概有幾個方向在加強這樣的一個說明第一個在各個縣市政府在辦理國審會的審議的時候我們都國土署會派員到現場回應相關國審會委員的一些問題朱董我跟你說一個最關鍵的因為我時間有限\n\n15\n00:04:59,364 --> 00:05:25,623\n這是我們來自基層我直接跟你說問題在哪裡當你們在第一次做說明會的時候你們是誰去說明市政府市政府我告訴你市政府得到你們的所有訊息都這樣片段片段片段他都得到片段片段片段他怎麼去跟地方說明地方得到訊息又是更片段又更片段\n\n16\n00:05:26,832 --> 00:05:49,561\n所以你們要辦一次是你們中央所有的部會、懂的人、了解的人去做一次徹底的說明這有沒有辦法?跟委員報告其實我們是透過各種機制在跟不管是產官、學界都在加強說明不用產官、學界你跟百姓說明清楚就好了\n\n17\n00:05:50,219 --> 00:06:11,506\n土地是他們啦!產官學界是你們在這個高位當中你們在產官學界啦!百姓我的權益在哪裡我怎麼保護自己最重要啦!做一次徹底的說明啦!這個是我要求然後拜託林業級自然保育署副署長林班弟的問題怎麼解決?\n\n18\n00:06:20,128 --> 00:06:39,315\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。六、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。\n\n19\n00:06:41,684 --> 00:06:45,870\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具\n\n20\n00:06:55,778 --> 00:07:15,506\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員\n\n21\n00:07:22,176 --> 00:07:28,221\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2591\t5433\t審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留\n20723\t34351\t立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。\n48280\t56705\t連地方政府、各縣市政府,我相信你問了每一個縣市政府的承辦人員,可能講的都不一樣,現在面臨這個問題。\n60817\t85072\t這怎麼辦?明年你說要上路了,現在大家是走到要死了。我們每一次一出去接到民眾的反應就是說,到底未來我們會不會因為國土計畫,然後我們所有的土地都被禁建,都被限制了,動都動不得,這也很嚴重。\n86277\t111335\t第16條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。七、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。八、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。九、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正\n114011\t115716\t有22個直轄縣市,那請問總共我們現在有幾個縣市?\n123144\t146262\t跟委員報告那目前22個縣市裡面把國土功能分區圖草案送到內政部來審議的有三個縣市那包括金門、連江跟花蓮縣政府那其他的縣市據我們的了解目前都在各個縣市的國審會在進行審議當中目前都在審議當中那請問越審民眾越擔憂為什麼\n152829\t176778\t跟委員報告那據我們的了解那第一個就是民眾對於未來國土功能分區的一些使用目前大概不是那麼樣的一個了解那另外就是連地方政府縣市政府都不懂了都不了解了請問人民怎麼了解\n178997\t194021\t立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具:「原住民保留第12條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第12條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具\n197809\t202312\t及第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財\n210694\t227671\t立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。\n229733\t231996\t對阿,所以你知道嗎,現在網路上好多,趕快趕快,你趕快申辦,你趕快送,現在不送來不及了,我們每天被追著跑,委員阿,快啦,我們的案件要快送啦,沒有送的不會付啦,我說什麼不會付啦。\n247065\t274127\t所以我覺得你們是不是應該做一個什麼樣的一個說明然後把這些疑義講得更清楚否則地方政府再審反而民眾更擔憂民眾更恐慌所以才會說你要演啊不要急速上路啊急速上路之後可能百姓沒有辦法接受之後會反射在我們執政團隊的支持度上\n275670\t286797\t跟委員報告那我們大概有幾個方向在加強這樣的一個說明第一個在各個縣市政府在辦理國審會的審議的時候我們都國土署會派員到現場回應相關國審會委員的一些問題朱董我跟你說一個最關鍵的因為我時間有限\n299364\t325623\t這是我們來自基層我直接跟你說問題在哪裡當你們在第一次做說明會的時候你們是誰去說明市政府市政府我告訴你市政府得到你們的所有訊息都這樣片段片段片段他都得到片段片段片段他怎麼去跟地方說明地方得到訊息又是更片段又更片段\n326832\t349561\t所以你們要辦一次是你們中央所有的部會、懂的人、了解的人去做一次徹底的說明這有沒有辦法?跟委員報告其實我們是透過各種機制在跟不管是產官、學界都在加強說明不用產官、學界你跟百姓說明清楚就好了\n350219\t371506\t土地是他們啦!產官學界是你們在這個高位當中你們在產官學界啦!百姓我的權益在哪裡我怎麼保護自己最重要啦!做一次徹底的說明啦!這個是我要求然後拜託林業級自然保育署副署長林班弟的問題怎麼解決?\n380128\t399315\t立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。\n401684\t405870\t立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具\n415778\t435506\t立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員\n442176\t448221\t立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。\n","txt":"審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。\n連地方政府、各縣市政府,我相信你問了每一個縣市政府的承辦人員,可能講的都不一樣,現在面臨這個問題。\n這怎麼辦?明年你說要上路了,現在大家是走到要死了。我們每一次一出去接到民眾的反應就是說,到底未來我們會不會因為國土計畫,然後我們所有的土地都被禁建,都被限制了,動都動不得,這也很嚴重。\n第16條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。七、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。八、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。九、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正\n有22個直轄縣市,那請問總共我們現在有幾個縣市?\n跟委員報告那目前22個縣市裡面把國土功能分區圖草案送到內政部來審議的有三個縣市那包括金門、連江跟花蓮縣政府那其他的縣市據我們的了解目前都在各個縣市的國審會在進行審議當中目前都在審議當中那請問越審民眾越擔憂為什麼\n跟委員報告那據我們的了解那第一個就是民眾對於未來國土功能分區的一些使用目前大概不是那麼樣的一個了解那另外就是連地方政府縣市政府都不懂了都不了解了請問人民怎麼了解\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具:「原住民保留第12條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第12條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具\n及第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。\n對阿,所以你知道嗎,現在網路上好多,趕快趕快,你趕快申辦,你趕快送,現在不送來不及了,我們每天被追著跑,委員阿,快啦,我們的案件要快送啦,沒有送的不會付啦,我說什麼不會付啦。\n所以我覺得你們是不是應該做一個什麼樣的一個說明然後把這些疑義講得更清楚否則地方政府再審反而民眾更擔憂民眾更恐慌所以才會說你要演啊不要急速上路啊急速上路之後可能百姓沒有辦法接受之後會反射在我們執政團隊的支持度上\n跟委員報告那我們大概有幾個方向在加強這樣的一個說明第一個在各個縣市政府在辦理國審會的審議的時候我們都國土署會派員到現場回應相關國審會委員的一些問題朱董我跟你說一個最關鍵的因為我時間有限\n這是我們來自基層我直接跟你說問題在哪裡當你們在第一次做說明會的時候你們是誰去說明市政府市政府我告訴你市政府得到你們的所有訊息都這樣片段片段片段他都得到片段片段片段他怎麼去跟地方說明地方得到訊息又是更片段又更片段\n所以你們要辦一次是你們中央所有的部會、懂的人、了解的人去做一次徹底的說明這有沒有辦法?跟委員報告其實我們是透過各種機制在跟不管是產官、學界都在加強說明不用產官、學界你跟百姓說明清楚就好了\n土地是他們啦!產官學界是你們在這個高位當中你們在產官學界啦!百姓我的權益在哪裡我怎麼保護自己最重要啦!做一次徹底的說明啦!這個是我要求然後拜託林業級自然保育署副署長林班弟的問題怎麼解決?\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.591 --> 00:05.433\n審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具:「原住民保留\n\n00:20.723 --> 00:34.351\n立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案案。\n\n00:48.280 --> 00:56.705\n連地方政府、各縣市政府,我相信你問了每一個縣市政府的承辦人員,可能講的都不一樣,現在面臨這個問題。\n\n01:00.817 --> 01:25.072\n這怎麼辦?明年你說要上路了,現在大家是走到要死了。我們每一次一出去接到民眾的反應就是說,到底未來我們會不會因為國土計畫,然後我們所有的土地都被禁建,都被限制了,動都動不得,這也很嚴重。\n\n01:26.277 --> 01:51.335\n第16條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。七、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。八、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正草案案。九、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人擬具第16條條文修正\n\n01:54.011 --> 01:55.716\n有22個直轄縣市,那請問總共我們現在有幾個縣市?\n\n02:03.144 --> 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Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。六、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。"},{"start":401.684,"end":405.87,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具"},{"start":415.778,"end":435.506,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具:「原住民保留第1條條文修正草案案。六、審查委員"},{"start":442.176,"end":448.221,"text":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政、經濟委員高金素梅等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等19人擬具第6條條文修正草案。"}]}}}}