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00:00:51,421\n沈淑儀議員\n\n4\n00:01:11,633 --> 00:01:28,913\n10月到隔年的4月是枯水期每年的5月到10月是風水期而風水期的水源來源兩個第一個是梅雨第二個是颱風好按照今年中央氣象署的研判在今年風水期當中3到5月以及6到8月北中南東\n\n5\n00:01:30,294 --> 00:01:41,937\n下雨是正常偏少的颱風在西北太平洋的颱風是正常偏少的所以雨量每雨颱風都是偏正常偏少\n\n6\n00:01:43,291 --> 00:02:04,657\n那缺水的部分呢過去都是17、8年一個大循環什麼大循環呢一個大旱一個這個大水現在已經縮短7到9年就是一個大旱跟大水所以臺灣長期仰賴水庫的供水氣候變遷的這個時代甚至我們在將近30年前發生了臺灣歷年56年來首次沒有颱風入境而也發生最大規模的乾旱\n\n7\n00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:32,434\n那目前這個我們的水情拉緊抱水量也持續下降21座的水庫14座的蓄水量是不到4成其中8座的蓄水量是跌破3成雖然這個今天下了大雨是天佑台灣但是對集水區的水土狀態\n\n8\n00:02:34,696 --> 00:02:49,296\n有了大旱之後有了大水那個水質那個地表一定是不穩定的再加上我們在來了7.6的震7.6級的這個地震所以我想這個積水區的相關的\n\n9\n00:02:51,178 --> 00:03:07,142\n對於用水政策,既然今年都可以預估是缺水的,你們是怎麼調配民生、農業、工業用水呢?目前這個強水的狀態會是什麼樣的?\n\n10\n00:03:10,703 --> 00:03:25,175\n的這個調配呢那部長以及針對4月的春季跟5月的梅雨如果降雨情形不加颱風季節所帶雨量又減少你又如何面對缺水以及相關的這個配套呢\n\n11\n00:03:25,933 --> 00:03:28,955\n現在所有民生大家都在關心的確實今年的這個春雨還不是很理想但是跟百年大旱比起來其實都還有這個相關的降雨\n\n12\n00:03:41,525 --> 00:03:51,190\n百年大憾的時候如果大家記得那是連雨都不下那第二個呢在枯水期的時候我們都加強這個工業用水的節水都希望他們能夠盡量節水那另外呢在相關的民生跟農業的部分我們也都精準的來調配那當然也希望大家能夠節約用水那台灣枯\n\n13\n00:04:05,358 --> 00:04:06,960\n這個枯水期跟風水期它的差距確實都比較多不過對這個全球的氣候變遷的部分所以我們相關的水的韌性計畫不斷地增加這個南北水的調動跟供應\n\n14\n00:04:20,979 --> 00:04:36,245\n那這個就是現在還在持續增加你講到供水的韌性的這句話也就是本期最後的具體建議了你的供水韌性你主責就是在這個水利署跟水公司\n\n15\n00:04:37,545 --> 00:05:00,469\n臺灣的缺水狀態是倒數我們是全世界可以說排名第10名我記得10來1名18還10幾名的缺水的國家那是因為自來水但是自來水公司這家公司我不曉得他怎麼因應你講的供水任性他用他自己的現在是破千億的負債\n\n16\n00:05:03,450 --> 00:05:29,325\n他用他破千億的負債為國家貢獻了什麼從92年的24.5%降至12.54%20年之內啊他降了12.4%的漏水量這個的數字跟日本東京來講是有過之而無不及這完全是他破千億的空穴那水既然是日常生活不可或缺的民生必需品本席都認為\n\n17\n00:05:30,225 --> 00:05:53,663\n自來水管線就是基礎建設的一環這句話部長你認不認同自來水管線是基礎是我們公水任性的基礎建設的一環你認不認同是或不是當然是全台灣自來水管都是台水所有\n\n18\n00:05:55,145 --> 00:06:08,847\n臺水公司也是百分百政府持股那行政院就應該重視既然他是自來水的是我們基礎建設為什麼他的維護太壞全部都是由他\n\n19\n00:06:10,014 --> 00:06:10,154\n發言委員：林岱樺\n\n20\n00:06:26,681 --> 00:06:30,465\n金流的進出啦齁那這個一千億其實是相關的這個金流的問題那台水公司的這個管線的汰換那事實上在前瞻計畫也有相關的經費支出部長我直接點給你聽很明顯你不曉得細節所以你就不曉得要怎麼去支持台水了\n\n21\n00:06:45,541 --> 00:07:02,081\n這個破錢易第一個水電的增加你只要漲水漲電他們也就是用電大戶那再來呢你的管線的維修你即使你的專管有政府支持所有的管線的維修也是他\n\n22\n00:07:02,842 --> 00:07:22,162\n第三個漏水管的預算也是他第四個因為他已經負債千億了利息也是他連你剛才講的我們的這個如果是因為缺水而導致休耕這樣是誰來補誰來補水利署跟台水補\n\n23\n00:07:23,263 --> 00:07:48,790\n所以再來你又限制他什麼限制他說你這個他的水費要不要增加是中央決定所以呢連本席一再的呼籲說你們應該增加這個用水大戶千度以上的用水大戶的級距給台水收針對這個用水你也不同意你反而叫做用作耗水耗水費耗水費誰收啊你旁邊的水利署在收\n\n24\n00:07:50,069 --> 00:08:15,188\n我都不曉得臺水已經負債遷移投入所有的公共建設然後呢剛才講的全部甚至連這個這個修根之後他也要補助水利署也補助那他也要補這叫做什麼話郵供那個台語怎麼說郵供沒什麼啦怕破怕破沒破就對了怕破要破問題是怕破人家都破人家都是他都破的\n\n25\n00:08:18,991 --> 00:08:46,425\n所以我不曉得這個今天主計處上來一下主計處主席有請主計處我們請主計處這個經濟部雖然你有針對本席的意見去跟主計總處說行政院說好那他的虧損我分兩年本席要求用兩年來補結果主計說這虧損如果是這樣的話所有這個各國營事業如果虧損的話那是不是都要行政院來補\n\n26\n00:08:48,035 --> 00:09:03,625\n那他的意思是這樣他的回文是這樣嘛那我不曉得來水利那個主計總書這邊林岱我已經講得很清楚了包括台水喔是63年以前他不是他不是全部國營所有他是63到67年\n\n27\n00:09:05,726 --> 00:09:27,717\n如果我印象沒錯這4年他才是把所有各縣市政府的水管整個才收歸那時候的這個省政府之後才作為國有所以在63年以前的基礎建設是所有都是地方自己做的品質之差不好意思全部都是要水公司國營事業全部來負擔\n\n28\n00:09:29,318 --> 00:09:50,880\n所以它的基礎跟台、跟電、跟油是不一樣的所以我不想主計總出來雖然我這個您來的這個關節不高但是既然你來了你就替我這樣的說明本席這樣的一個陳述你認為這個主計處還有什麼理由不補台水\n\n29\n00:09:52,034 --> 00:10:09,346\n在他的這個破千億的情況之下你現在又講到我們部長很好他還講很多目標剛才說他還要增加供水韌性全部都台水你自己扶啦除了專管是政府出其他全部都台水自己扶我不曉得這樣公司他要怎麼經營欸來主計總處\n\n30\n00:10:15,968 --> 00:10:32,778\n謝謝委員的資訊,就有關臺水這個部分的話,其實主席總署針對臺水的一些相關可能投資上可能不具效益的一些公共重大公共建設的話,其實主席總署都有做一個政治的一個挹注來協助那個臺水他幫你一些基礎的隨意建設\n\n31\n00:10:33,732 --> 00:10:55,799\n好那個您答的跟實際的好像都不太一樣因為我剛剛已經講得很清楚了所有它虧損的狀況包括公共建設的狀況那這個中央除了補專管之外其他維護、汰換都是它處理所以所有的全部都是它自己然後呢所以我在這邊具體要求政府應該由中央政府編列相關的預算給台水\n\n32\n00:10:56,819 --> 00:11:06,049\n用這個附屬年的這個專案補助給台水那或者納入第5期也就是明年要審的114年1到8月第5期的前瞻計畫基礎建設部長這可以嗎我只是針對他的基礎建設我還沒講到那個他的那個虧損的部分借債的部分\n\n33\n00:11:18,322 --> 00:11:19,884\n謝謝委員支持那經濟部確實會幫台水來爭取相關的公務預算來給他做撥補那我們會提出80億元的這個相關的撥補經費那當然希望院裡面能夠支持80億太少啦\n\n34\n00:11:35,586 --> 00:11:43,331\n真的,除非你叫供水韌性這四個字你會講到台電力韌性供水韌性在你經濟部如果你只貶81的話那你後續所有的台積電現在全台灣都在開花這是好事你的那個耗水量之高啊我都不曉得你的這個供水韌性在哪裡這請你嚴肅的面對,謝謝我們後續檢討,好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t5650\t我們缺水危機正在來襲而且是更加嚴重今天我們政府應該延伸一代包括今天我們的報導是頭條水瓊井超越百年大旱\n32295\t50701\t市門蓄水率剩24%可以說是我們前三大水庫依照剛才最新的一個水庫的狀況前三大水庫幾乎都是平均20幾%而已的蓄水量本行就針對極端氣候下的降水\n51241\t51421\t沈淑儀議員\n71633\t88913\t10月到隔年的4月是枯水期每年的5月到10月是風水期而風水期的水源來源兩個第一個是梅雨第二個是颱風好按照今年中央氣象署的研判在今年風水期當中3到5月以及6到8月北中南東\n90294\t101937\t下雨是正常偏少的颱風在西北太平洋的颱風是正常偏少的所以雨量每雨颱風都是偏正常偏少\n103291\t124657\t那缺水的部分呢過去都是17、8年一個大循環什麼大循環呢一個大旱一個這個大水現在已經縮短7到9年就是一個大旱跟大水所以臺灣長期仰賴水庫的供水氣候變遷的這個時代甚至我們在將近30年前發生了臺灣歷年56年來首次沒有颱風入境而也發生最大規模的乾旱\n132199\t152434\t那目前這個我們的水情拉緊抱水量也持續下降21座的水庫14座的蓄水量是不到4成其中8座的蓄水量是跌破3成雖然這個今天下了大雨是天佑台灣但是對集水區的水土狀態\n154696\t169296\t有了大旱之後有了大水那個水質那個地表一定是不穩定的再加上我們在來了7.6的震7.6級的這個地震所以我想這個積水區的相關的\n171178\t187142\t對於用水政策,既然今年都可以預估是缺水的,你們是怎麼調配民生、農業、工業用水呢?目前這個強水的狀態會是什麼樣的?\n190703\t205175\t的這個調配呢那部長以及針對4月的春季跟5月的梅雨如果降雨情形不加颱風季節所帶雨量又減少你又如何面對缺水以及相關的這個配套呢\n205933\t208955\t現在所有民生大家都在關心的確實今年的這個春雨還不是很理想但是跟百年大旱比起來其實都還有這個相關的降雨\n221525\t231190\t百年大憾的時候如果大家記得那是連雨都不下那第二個呢在枯水期的時候我們都加強這個工業用水的節水都希望他們能夠盡量節水那另外呢在相關的民生跟農業的部分我們也都精準的來調配那當然也希望大家能夠節約用水那台灣枯\n245358\t246960\t這個枯水期跟風水期它的差距確實都比較多不過對這個全球的氣候變遷的部分所以我們相關的水的韌性計畫不斷地增加這個南北水的調動跟供應\n260979\t276245\t那這個就是現在還在持續增加你講到供水的韌性的這句話也就是本期最後的具體建議了你的供水韌性你主責就是在這個水利署跟水公司\n277545\t300469\t臺灣的缺水狀態是倒數我們是全世界可以說排名第10名我記得10來1名18還10幾名的缺水的國家那是因為自來水但是自來水公司這家公司我不曉得他怎麼因應你講的供水任性他用他自己的現在是破千億的負債\n303450\t329325\t他用他破千億的負債為國家貢獻了什麼從92年的24.5%降至12.54%20年之內啊他降了12.4%的漏水量這個的數字跟日本東京來講是有過之而無不及這完全是他破千億的空穴那水既然是日常生活不可或缺的民生必需品本席都認為\n330225\t353663\t自來水管線就是基礎建設的一環這句話部長你認不認同自來水管線是基礎是我們公水任性的基礎建設的一環你認不認同是或不是當然是全台灣自來水管都是台水所有\n355145\t368847\t臺水公司也是百分百政府持股那行政院就應該重視既然他是自來水的是我們基礎建設為什麼他的維護太壞全部都是由他\n370014\t370154\t發言委員：林岱樺\n386681\t390465\t金流的進出啦齁那這個一千億其實是相關的這個金流的問題那台水公司的這個管線的汰換那事實上在前瞻計畫也有相關的經費支出部長我直接點給你聽很明顯你不曉得細節所以你就不曉得要怎麼去支持台水了\n405541\t422081\t這個破錢易第一個水電的增加你只要漲水漲電他們也就是用電大戶那再來呢你的管線的維修你即使你的專管有政府支持所有的管線的維修也是他\n422842\t442162\t第三個漏水管的預算也是他第四個因為他已經負債千億了利息也是他連你剛才講的我們的這個如果是因為缺水而導致休耕這樣是誰來補誰來補水利署跟台水補\n443263\t468790\t所以再來你又限制他什麼限制他說你這個他的水費要不要增加是中央決定所以呢連本席一再的呼籲說你們應該增加這個用水大戶千度以上的用水大戶的級距給台水收針對這個用水你也不同意你反而叫做用作耗水耗水費耗水費誰收啊你旁邊的水利署在收\n470069\t495188\t我都不曉得臺水已經負債遷移投入所有的公共建設然後呢 剛才講的全部甚至連這個這個修根之後他也要補助水利署也補助那他也要補這叫做什麼話 郵供 那個台語怎麼說 郵供沒什麼啦 怕破怕破沒破就對了 怕破要破 問題是怕破人家都破 人家都是他都破的\n498991\t526425\t所以我不曉得這個今天主計處上來一下主計處主席有請主計處我們請主計處這個經濟部雖然你有針對本席的意見去跟主計總處說行政院說好那他的虧損我分兩年本席要求用兩年來補結果主計說這虧損如果是這樣的話所有這個各國營事業如果虧損的話那是不是都要行政院來補\n528035\t543625\t那他的意思是這樣他的回文是這樣嘛那我不曉得來水利那個主計總書這邊林岱我已經講得很清楚了包括台水喔是63年以前他不是他不是全部國營所有他是63到67年\n545726\t567717\t如果我印象沒錯這4年他才是把所有各縣市政府的水管整個才收歸那時候的這個省政府之後才作為國有所以在63年以前的基礎建設是所有都是地方自己做的品質之差不好意思全部都是要水公司國營事業全部來負擔\n569318\t590880\t所以它的基礎跟台、跟電、跟油是不一樣的所以我不想主計總出來雖然我這個您來的這個關節不高但是既然你來了你就替我這樣的說明本席這樣的一個陳述你認為這個主計處還有什麼理由不補台水\n592034\t609346\t在他的這個破千億的情況之下你現在又講到我們部長很好他還講很多目標剛才說他還要增加供水韌性全部都台水你自己扶啦除了專管是政府出其他全部都台水自己扶我不曉得這樣公司他要怎麼經營欸來 主計總處\n615968\t632778\t謝謝委員的資訊,就有關臺水這個部分的話,其實主席總署針對臺水的一些相關可能投資上可能不具效益的一些公共重大公共建設的話,其實主席總署都有做一個政治的一個挹注來協助那個臺水他幫你一些基礎的隨意建設\n633732\t655799\t好 那個您答的跟實際的好像都不太一樣因為我剛剛已經講得很清楚了所有它虧損的狀況包括公共建設的狀況那這個中央除了補專管之外其他維護、汰換都是它處理所以所有的全部都是它自己然後呢 所以我在這邊具體要求政府應該由中央政府編列相關的預算給台水\n656819\t666049\t用這個附屬年的這個專案補助給台水那或者納入第5期也就是明年要審的114年1到8月第5期的前瞻計畫基礎建設部長這可以嗎我只是針對他的基礎建設我還沒講到那個他的那個虧損的部分借債的部分\n678322\t679884\t謝謝委員支持那經濟部確實會幫台水來爭取相關的公務預算來給他做撥補那我們會提出80億元的這個相關的撥補經費那當然希望院裡面能夠支持80億太少啦\n695586\t703331\t真的,除非你叫供水韌性這四個字你會講到台電力韌性供水韌性在你經濟部如果你只貶81的話那你後續所有的台積電現在全台灣都在開花這是好事你的那個耗水量之高啊我都不曉得你的這個供水韌性在哪裡這請你嚴肅的面對,謝謝我們後續檢討,好謝謝\n","txt":"我們缺水危機正在來襲而且是更加嚴重今天我們政府應該延伸一代包括今天我們的報導是頭條水瓊井超越百年大旱\n市門蓄水率剩24%可以說是我們前三大水庫依照剛才最新的一個水庫的狀況前三大水庫幾乎都是平均20幾%而已的蓄水量本行就針對極端氣候下的降水\n沈淑儀議員\n10月到隔年的4月是枯水期每年的5月到10月是風水期而風水期的水源來源兩個第一個是梅雨第二個是颱風好按照今年中央氣象署的研判在今年風水期當中3到5月以及6到8月北中南東\n下雨是正常偏少的颱風在西北太平洋的颱風是正常偏少的所以雨量每雨颱風都是偏正常偏少\n那缺水的部分呢過去都是17、8年一個大循環什麼大循環呢一個大旱一個這個大水現在已經縮短7到9年就是一個大旱跟大水所以臺灣長期仰賴水庫的供水氣候變遷的這個時代甚至我們在將近30年前發生了臺灣歷年56年來首次沒有颱風入境而也發生最大規模的乾旱\n那目前這個我們的水情拉緊抱水量也持續下降21座的水庫14座的蓄水量是不到4成其中8座的蓄水量是跌破3成雖然這個今天下了大雨是天佑台灣但是對集水區的水土狀態\n有了大旱之後有了大水那個水質那個地表一定是不穩定的再加上我們在來了7.6的震7.6級的這個地震所以我想這個積水區的相關的\n對於用水政策,既然今年都可以預估是缺水的,你們是怎麼調配民生、農業、工業用水呢?目前這個強水的狀態會是什麼樣的?\n的這個調配呢那部長以及針對4月的春季跟5月的梅雨如果降雨情形不加颱風季節所帶雨量又減少你又如何面對缺水以及相關的這個配套呢\n現在所有民生大家都在關心的確實今年的這個春雨還不是很理想但是跟百年大旱比起來其實都還有這個相關的降雨\n百年大憾的時候如果大家記得那是連雨都不下那第二個呢在枯水期的時候我們都加強這個工業用水的節水都希望他們能夠盡量節水那另外呢在相關的民生跟農業的部分我們也都精準的來調配那當然也希望大家能夠節約用水那台灣枯\n這個枯水期跟風水期它的差距確實都比較多不過對這個全球的氣候變遷的部分所以我們相關的水的韌性計畫不斷地增加這個南北水的調動跟供應\n那這個就是現在還在持續增加你講到供水的韌性的這句話也就是本期最後的具體建議了你的供水韌性你主責就是在這個水利署跟水公司\n臺灣的缺水狀態是倒數我們是全世界可以說排名第10名我記得10來1名18還10幾名的缺水的國家那是因為自來水但是自來水公司這家公司我不曉得他怎麼因應你講的供水任性他用他自己的現在是破千億的負債\n他用他破千億的負債為國家貢獻了什麼從92年的24.5%降至12.54%20年之內啊他降了12.4%的漏水量這個的數字跟日本東京來講是有過之而無不及這完全是他破千億的空穴那水既然是日常生活不可或缺的民生必需品本席都認為\n自來水管線就是基礎建設的一環這句話部長你認不認同自來水管線是基礎是我們公水任性的基礎建設的一環你認不認同是或不是當然是全台灣自來水管都是台水所有\n臺水公司也是百分百政府持股那行政院就應該重視既然他是自來水的是我們基礎建設為什麼他的維護太壞全部都是由他\n發言委員：林岱樺\n金流的進出啦齁那這個一千億其實是相關的這個金流的問題那台水公司的這個管線的汰換那事實上在前瞻計畫也有相關的經費支出部長我直接點給你聽很明顯你不曉得細節所以你就不曉得要怎麼去支持台水了\n這個破錢易第一個水電的增加你只要漲水漲電他們也就是用電大戶那再來呢你的管線的維修你即使你的專管有政府支持所有的管線的維修也是他\n第三個漏水管的預算也是他第四個因為他已經負債千億了利息也是他連你剛才講的我們的這個如果是因為缺水而導致休耕這樣是誰來補誰來補水利署跟台水補\n所以再來你又限制他什麼限制他說你這個他的水費要不要增加是中央決定所以呢連本席一再的呼籲說你們應該增加這個用水大戶千度以上的用水大戶的級距給台水收針對這個用水你也不同意你反而叫做用作耗水耗水費耗水費誰收啊你旁邊的水利署在收\n我都不曉得臺水已經負債遷移投入所有的公共建設然後呢 剛才講的全部甚至連這個這個修根之後他也要補助水利署也補助那他也要補這叫做什麼話 郵供 那個台語怎麼說 郵供沒什麼啦 怕破怕破沒破就對了 怕破要破 問題是怕破人家都破 人家都是他都破的\n所以我不曉得這個今天主計處上來一下主計處主席有請主計處我們請主計處這個經濟部雖然你有針對本席的意見去跟主計總處說行政院說好那他的虧損我分兩年本席要求用兩年來補結果主計說這虧損如果是這樣的話所有這個各國營事業如果虧損的話那是不是都要行政院來補\n那他的意思是這樣他的回文是這樣嘛那我不曉得來水利那個主計總書這邊林岱我已經講得很清楚了包括台水喔是63年以前他不是他不是全部國營所有他是63到67年\n如果我印象沒錯這4年他才是把所有各縣市政府的水管整個才收歸那時候的這個省政府之後才作為國有所以在63年以前的基礎建設是所有都是地方自己做的品質之差不好意思全部都是要水公司國營事業全部來負擔\n所以它的基礎跟台、跟電、跟油是不一樣的所以我不想主計總出來雖然我這個您來的這個關節不高但是既然你來了你就替我這樣的說明本席這樣的一個陳述你認為這個主計處還有什麼理由不補台水\n在他的這個破千億的情況之下你現在又講到我們部長很好他還講很多目標剛才說他還要增加供水韌性全部都台水你自己扶啦除了專管是政府出其他全部都台水自己扶我不曉得這樣公司他要怎麼經營欸來 主計總處\n謝謝委員的資訊,就有關臺水這個部分的話,其實主席總署針對臺水的一些相關可能投資上可能不具效益的一些公共重大公共建設的話,其實主席總署都有做一個政治的一個挹注來協助那個臺水他幫你一些基礎的隨意建設\n好 那個您答的跟實際的好像都不太一樣因為我剛剛已經講得很清楚了所有它虧損的狀況包括公共建設的狀況那這個中央除了補專管之外其他維護、汰換都是它處理所以所有的全部都是它自己然後呢 所以我在這邊具體要求政府應該由中央政府編列相關的預算給台水\n用這個附屬年的這個專案補助給台水那或者納入第5期也就是明年要審的114年1到8月第5期的前瞻計畫基礎建設部長這可以嗎我只是針對他的基礎建設我還沒講到那個他的那個虧損的部分借債的部分\n謝謝委員支持那經濟部確實會幫台水來爭取相關的公務預算來給他做撥補那我們會提出80億元的這個相關的撥補經費那當然希望院裡面能夠支持80億太少啦\n真的,除非你叫供水韌性這四個字你會講到台電力韌性供水韌性在你經濟部如果你只貶81的話那你後續所有的台積電現在全台灣都在開花這是好事你的那個耗水量之高啊我都不曉得你的這個供水韌性在哪裡這請你嚴肅的面對,謝謝我們後續檢討,好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:05.650\n我們缺水危機正在來襲而且是更加嚴重今天我們政府應該延伸一代包括今天我們的報導是頭條水瓊井超越百年大旱\n\n00:32.295 --> 00:50.701\n市門蓄水率剩24%可以說是我們前三大水庫依照剛才最新的一個水庫的狀況前三大水庫幾乎都是平均20幾%而已的蓄水量本行就針對極端氣候下的降水\n\n00:51.241 --> 00:51.421\n沈淑儀議員\n\n01:11.633 --> 01:28.913\n10月到隔年的4月是枯水期每年的5月到10月是風水期而風水期的水源來源兩個第一個是梅雨第二個是颱風好按照今年中央氣象署的研判在今年風水期當中3到5月以及6到8月北中南東\n\n01:30.294 --> 01:41.937\n下雨是正常偏少的颱風在西北太平洋的颱風是正常偏少的所以雨量每雨颱風都是偏正常偏少\n\n01:43.291 --> 02:04.657\n那缺水的部分呢過去都是17、8年一個大循環什麼大循環呢一個大旱一個這個大水現在已經縮短7到9年就是一個大旱跟大水所以臺灣長期仰賴水庫的供水氣候變遷的這個時代甚至我們在將近30年前發生了臺灣歷年56年來首次沒有颱風入境而也發生最大規模的乾旱\n\n02:12.199 --> 02:32.434\n那目前這個我們的水情拉緊抱水量也持續下降21座的水庫14座的蓄水量是不到4成其中8座的蓄水量是跌破3成雖然這個今天下了大雨是天佑台灣但是對集水區的水土狀態\n\n02:34.696 --> 02:49.296\n有了大旱之後有了大水那個水質那個地表一定是不穩定的再加上我們在來了7.6的震7.6級的這個地震所以我想這個積水區的相關的\n\n02:51.178 --> 03:07.142\n對於用水政策,既然今年都可以預估是缺水的,你們是怎麼調配民生、農業、工業用水呢?目前這個強水的狀態會是什麼樣的?\n\n03:10.703 --> 03:25.175\n的這個調配呢那部長以及針對4月的春季跟5月的梅雨如果降雨情形不加颱風季節所帶雨量又減少你又如何面對缺水以及相關的這個配套呢\n\n03:25.933 --> 03:28.955\n現在所有民生大家都在關心的確實今年的這個春雨還不是很理想但是跟百年大旱比起來其實都還有這個相關的降雨\n\n03:41.525 --> 03:51.190\n百年大憾的時候如果大家記得那是連雨都不下那第二個呢在枯水期的時候我們都加強這個工業用水的節水都希望他們能夠盡量節水那另外呢在相關的民生跟農業的部分我們也都精準的來調配那當然也希望大家能夠節約用水那台灣枯\n\n04:05.358 --> 04:06.960\n這個枯水期跟風水期它的差距確實都比較多不過對這個全球的氣候變遷的部分所以我們相關的水的韌性計畫不斷地增加這個南北水的調動跟供應\n\n04:20.979 --> 04:36.245\n那這個就是現在還在持續增加你講到供水的韌性的這句話也就是本期最後的具體建議了你的供水韌性你主責就是在這個水利署跟水公司\n\n04:37.545 --> 05:00.469\n臺灣的缺水狀態是倒數我們是全世界可以說排名第10名我記得10來1名18還10幾名的缺水的國家那是因為自來水但是自來水公司這家公司我不曉得他怎麼因應你講的供水任性他用他自己的現在是破千億的負債\n\n05:03.450 --> 05:29.325\n他用他破千億的負債為國家貢獻了什麼從92年的24.5%降至12.54%20年之內啊他降了12.4%的漏水量這個的數字跟日本東京來講是有過之而無不及這完全是他破千億的空穴那水既然是日常生活不可或缺的民生必需品本席都認為\n\n05:30.225 --> 05:53.663\n自來水管線就是基礎建設的一環這句話部長你認不認同自來水管線是基礎是我們公水任性的基礎建設的一環你認不認同是或不是當然是全台灣自來水管都是台水所有\n\n05:55.145 --> 06:08.847\n臺水公司也是百分百政府持股那行政院就應該重視既然他是自來水的是我們基礎建設為什麼他的維護太壞全部都是由他\n\n06:10.014 --> 06:10.154\n發言委員：林岱樺\n\n06:26.681 --> 06:30.465\n金流的進出啦齁那這個一千億其實是相關的這個金流的問題那台水公司的這個管線的汰換那事實上在前瞻計畫也有相關的經費支出部長我直接點給你聽很明顯你不曉得細節所以你就不曉得要怎麼去支持台水了\n\n06:45.541 --> 07:02.081\n這個破錢易第一個水電的增加你只要漲水漲電他們也就是用電大戶那再來呢你的管線的維修你即使你的專管有政府支持所有的管線的維修也是他\n\n07:02.842 --> 07:22.162\n第三個漏水管的預算也是他第四個因為他已經負債千億了利息也是他連你剛才講的我們的這個如果是因為缺水而導致休耕這樣是誰來補誰來補水利署跟台水補\n\n07:23.263 --> 07:48.790\n所以再來你又限制他什麼限制他說你這個他的水費要不要增加是中央決定所以呢連本席一再的呼籲說你們應該增加這個用水大戶千度以上的用水大戶的級距給台水收針對這個用水你也不同意你反而叫做用作耗水耗水費耗水費誰收啊你旁邊的水利署在收\n\n07:50.069 --> 08:15.188\n我都不曉得臺水已經負債遷移投入所有的公共建設然後呢剛才講的全部甚至連這個這個修根之後他也要補助水利署也補助那他也要補這叫做什麼話郵供那個台語怎麼說郵供沒什麼啦怕破怕破沒破就對了怕破要破問題是怕破人家都破人家都是他都破的\n\n08:18.991 --> 08:46.425\n所以我不曉得這個今天主計處上來一下主計處主席有請主計處我們請主計處這個經濟部雖然你有針對本席的意見去跟主計總處說行政院說好那他的虧損我分兩年本席要求用兩年來補結果主計說這虧損如果是這樣的話所有這個各國營事業如果虧損的話那是不是都要行政院來補\n\n08:48.035 --> 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