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00:00:28,323\n羅美玲早安委員早安美玲委員早安因為我們私底下非常的熟所以好姐妹稱呼OK好那委員長我想就這個僑生的招生跟留台的議題想跟委員長來做一個探討因為在這個國發會他在2022年的時候有提出來他說說為了要滿足我國這個\n\n3\n00:00:39,374 --> 00:00:54,026\n外籍勞動力到2030年的時候必須要進增40萬人那其中的僑外生應該就要增加20萬人那從我們過去的資料在看那雖然說我們每一年的僑外生\n\n4\n00:00:54,946 --> 00:01:21,061\n畢業生有13000人左右可是這一兩年其實留台的僑外生其實不及一半大概是五六千人左右所以我們在看如果到2030年的話要達到20萬人其實離距離這個目標其實是非常的遙遠那我們知道說僑委會最主要的工作其實就是還是在招生端所以那我們也看到說\n\n5\n00:01:21,781 --> 00:01:21,941\n徐佳青報告\n\n6\n00:01:40,474 --> 00:02:01,189\n因為我們現在就是說我們很努力的讓僑生來到台灣來念書可是要怎麼樣讓他們繼續留在台灣就後續這一段是非常的重要那我有看到委員長說必須拉近僑生跟產業的這個距離我想這個部分是非常多可能僑委會因為\n\n7\n00:02:03,971 --> 00:02:04,932\n李慧琼議員\n\n8\n00:02:34,331 --> 00:02:48,699\n其實我們人力這個產業人力的這個缺乏其實他是有產業重點的比如說在這個產業人才缺乏的部分供需出問題的比如說\n\n9\n00:02:50,427 --> 00:02:50,547\n主席\n\n10\n00:03:12,833 --> 00:03:12,873\n主席\n\n11\n00:03:44,574 --> 00:04:02,569\n現在因為有很多可能跟碳排有關係或是說這個產業的這個進步也有關係所以有很多都是朝向這個機械化智慧機械化所以這個部分的話每一年現在缺工的人數是兩萬人人力需求是每一年高達兩萬人\n\n12\n00:04:03,450 --> 00:04:09,352\n李淑月李淑月每一年人才的供需是缺了一萬六千人類似這種產業這個人才供需部分是不是在我們在開課的時候科系在開辦的時候是要參考這些國防會的資料我們才知道說我們到底哪裡需要\n\n13\n00:04:29,838 --> 00:04:29,938\n委員長羅美玲\n\n14\n00:04:47,304 --> 00:05:01,331\n謝謝羅委員的這個特別深入的一個研究提醒那確實我們近年來在針對這個新的人力的培育上面我們是跨部會的一些共識跟整合的所以以國發會\n\n15\n00:05:02,652 --> 00:05:25,401\n作為主導的這個角色那麼包括教育部外交部僑委會經濟部勞動部內政部甚至連衛福部科技部等等的相關單位農業部也都會不定期的加入這些相關的討論所以這些盤點出來就是知道說我們在國內的產業上面需求的人力結構的狀況那在我們招生端我們確實過去幾年盤點\n\n16\n00:05:31,223 --> 00:06:00,104\n那麼在專班的部分就是產業合作專班的部分基本上我們現在是以六大類為目標那這六大類當中有包括這個農業但是農業我們最大的挑戰是說也有台灣有好幾所很不錯的在做農業的這個教學的學校價值品質都非常高但是我們就在市場端的部分要找到能夠去做這樣子的合作的\n\n17\n00:06:00,504 --> 00:06:03,865\n因為學校他要去找這間企業產業去做這個對接因為我們今天要開給他說你要開幾班多少個學生我們就會先問他說你有幫幫忙找到多少的實習位置呢你要有多少實習位置相對提出你這樣子的一種能力能量\n\n18\n00:06:28,530 --> 00:06:51,407\n我們才會在進行你辦學的核定的時候給予你多少的班級跟這個人數那所以很多學校跟我們說我們農業教學非常好可是在產業界的比方說有些派到大的農場去工作那農場就有時候不會很穩定他是季節性的主要是有這樣子的一個狀況或者是做到一些漁業漁場\n\n19\n00:06:52,908 --> 00:06:53,428\n臺灣需要照護的人力是越來越高\n\n20\n00:07:19,875 --> 00:07:19,895\n韓國瑜\n\n21\n00:07:36,667 --> 00:08:04,694\n很不錯的學校在開這個長照的課程可是也是一樣在實習產學合作端通常遇到的困難在這裡就是說這些長照機構他是不是能夠把這些工作release很清楚出來變成一個實習的位置那所以這部分呢衛福部也開始在介入做協調所以我們在執行這些方案的時候事實上是要一定跨部會整合不然的話我們在執行面確實我們今年學生招募的非常非常好\n\n22\n00:08:05,074 --> 00:08:08,436\n是,謝謝,謝謝委員長,我跟僑委會在這部分是非常的努力來做那委員長我也在CHRIS裡面看到你在說,像業界一直在反映就是說\n\n23\n00:08:30,007 --> 00:08:36,330\n只有資本的500萬或營業1000萬以上的企業才能夠雇用僑身,他這個講的可能就是在評點制的這個部分那這可能就是要跟勞動部這邊來做這個討論那當然最近我也接到一些我們已經畢業的僑外生在反映就是說他們的求職其實是常常是碰壁的那可能就是\n\n24\n00:08:54,455 --> 00:09:13,722\n有些他去應徵的這個業界可能他條件都符合可是問題是他這個企業主他的資本就沒有到500他沒有辦法幫他申請工作、勞動簽證那甚至有些僑生在反映就是說好現在他去應徵一份工作那也許因為業主可能不是很清楚說要怎麼樣幫他申請勞動簽證這部分變成就是說他說那很麻煩\n\n25\n00:09:19,304 --> 00:09:24,706\n有些僑生就說我們也想留在臺灣啊可是我們求職就是碰壁啦對不對所以比如說有些條件可能我們要放寬然後對於這個業界來講我們可能也要去鼓勵尤其是為什麼我會說剛剛會提到說有些產業我們在開課的時候要繼續思考\n\n26\n00:09:43,353 --> 00:09:43,453\n佳青報告\n\n27\n00:10:00,325 --> 00:10:05,667\n我簡單跟委員說明這個剛剛所指教的都是確實是這樣所以我們跟勞動部有在溝通一方面希望把評點制的這個門檻乾脆就拿掉因為它有一個天花板七千人天花板把它拿掉這是第一個第二個就是說未來我們希望透過國內的修法能夠建立讓僑生變成一個有自由身份的這個制度那這樣的話就不會是卡在雇主端它是不是有資本額營業額等等這些的規範裡面\n\n28\n00:10:29,514 --> 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