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00:02:09,698\n到了那個時機點是比較短、少我們的備轉容量剩下3%還是有3%嗎?還有3%比較緊張一點但是還在3%內是還在可控制的範圍內我覺得未來如果發生像這樣的事情我也建議台電要清楚對外的說明因為現在訊息太多了有時候甚至網路很多有時候會不斷地這樣傳以而傳而出聚流受反而會造成大家的一些困擾然後我建議台電其實可以\n\n7\n00:02:10,098 --> 00:02:35,617\n立即清楚的對外做說明所以第一個很清楚沒有說謊的問題第二個其實確實比較緊張那是因為4月3號之後的大震包括後面的余震所導致那我必須肯定啦臺電在4月3號那樣的大震狀況下還維持得相當好其實這真的是不容易的所以我覺得還是給予臺電新國同仁要給予基本的肯定那至於產生了所謂這些後面的東西的時候我建議臺電都應該第一時間對外來澄清說明不要讓\n\n8\n00:02:36,537 --> 00:02:58,948\n什麼好像對於發言人怎樣的這樣的傳我覺得對於臺電整體上是不公平也是信譽上也是受損的所以我覺得這個也請未來這個王總經理這邊持續來推動讓更多正確的訊息第一時間讓社會知道穩定民心好不好好謝謝委員好部長剛剛其實王總都有講了啦部長應該都認同王總剛剛講的那個是是好好\n\n9\n00:03:03,671 --> 00:03:24,751\n我想這個電力是一個相當複雜的問題我想這幾年台灣的整個整體的我認為電力策略上大體方向都是正確的不管是從綠能的推動到整個這個儲能等等的甚至於很多穩定的供電系統的穩定等等我們做了很多的努力我也相信這個未來都會有很大的成果\n\n10\n00:03:25,832 --> 00:03:54,850\n我想我還是要對部長因為其實部長上任4年嘛上任4年那現在終於這個新的部長上來之後也可以稍微卸下重擔那我還是要肯定部長這4年來其實我們並肩作戰在國家在立法院這邊我看到其實從客觀數據來上這4年來經濟成長率3.5施小龍的第一名所以我想不管怎麼樣的那個整體部長在這塊領導經濟部的團隊我想是值得肯定的\n\n11\n00:03:55,330 --> 00:04:20,152\n那我想問一下部長接下來未來你會不會繼續留在內閣團隊內為大家服務謝謝委員那我想經濟部長委員也知道那業務繁多那我每天想只要還在一天我就非常努力把我們經濟部的事情做好部長如果有機會繼續留在內閣團隊內也希望你能夠繼續為國家來服務謝謝委員鼓勵那另外我想問一下郭志輝董事長\n\n12\n00:04:20,652 --> 00:04:39,842\n由產業界來接任這個確實是相當大的一個挑戰你也知道其實以臺灣的政治環境產業界過來是相當辛苦的是部長怎麼看待這樣的一個郭董事長願意來接任部長這樣的一個我想第一個產業界的人士而且是這樣的一個這麼大的事業公司的負責人願意為國家來承擔這個國家的產業的發展的政策\n\n13\n00:04:45,445 --> 00:04:45,966\n賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆\n\n14\n00:05:12,665 --> 00:05:37,157\n多多給予協助特別是很多經濟部的業務相當繁重而且相當瑣碎那有些部分像您長期在經濟部你當然就相對熟悉了解但是外面來的一個新的部長要熟悉業務需要一點時間更何況以現在的朝野的方式恐怕不會給部長新的部長太多的時間所以我也希望部長大力來協助讓好不容易產業界的人有這樣的信心也有這樣的魄力願意進來國家來幫忙\n\n15\n00:05:38,678 --> 00:05:50,384\n我認為應該給予更多的鼓勵跟支持不然未來你看這幾任為什麼經濟部長幾乎都是由內部才有一些機會因為外面光看到立法院這種草野惡鬥這種狀況大概看到都怕了誰會願意放棄到外面的這麼好的一些狀況而願意投身到公眾服務來所以我覺得國家應該給予\n\n16\n00:05:56,843 --> 00:06:20,372\n多一點正面的鼓勵才會有更多的人才願意進到政府機關來從多面向來貢獻給國家請部長來大力支持那另外我也想關心一下今天早上下了雨其實心理上是感覺是比較好的因為最近有點擔心這個水的問題北部的部分現在有幾個水庫的水量不到三成部長擔不擔心接下來的水情的狀況\n\n17\n00:06:21,749 --> 00:06:42,925\n現在是確實都還在枯水期但是已經是枯水期的比較末端了那這一段時間我們確實都會比較謹慎來調度跟相關的使用那我想我們每一天都針對這樣的一個枯水期來做所以水情還在掌控之中嗎?省慎的之中嗎?水利署的同仁也都會在這樣的情況之下會定期來做檢視所以接下來\n\n18\n00:06:50,911 --> 00:06:59,326\n接下來開始有可能沒一起甚至於整個訊息的來臨之後其實應該水情會穩定下來我們希望我們希望所以應該是還好署長有沒有什麼看法補充\n\n19\n00:07:01,447 --> 00:07:01,707\n所以水情上是穩定嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:30,883 --> 00:07:56,456\n我們省慎的來因應省慎因應南部的本位還是要提醒部長跟署長持續甚至於南部現在包括台積電不管是P1、P2、P3都陸續有到高雄來做投資的狀況水還是要持續那我希望未來在再生水廠甚至於海淡廠的部分還是請部長跟署長持續來規劃我覺得南部讓他的水情更加穩定對於整個產業的均衡發展都有相當大的一個注意\n\n21\n00:07:57,396 --> 00:08:22,770\n再來我想請教一下前天4月16日高雄沿海如果發生貨櫃車掉落鋼捲掉到地板上這個一個都四噸五噸重這也不是只有前天發生其實這幾年來大概發生了這四年來發生了12件甚至有些發生人命的問題\n\n22\n00:08:23,730 --> 00:08:52,446\n我希望部長跟局長能夠特別的去要求因為有些我們現在國企跟會議都在做了我們會加速來完成但是這些人為應該去防止發生的應該要去控制就是說不應該讓他不管是他的整個維護的系統沒做好還是他的車速過快等等我認為這個部分部長跟局長應該要去要求這些業者要更加甚至在出來的時候就要做更多的一些的要求跟把關\n\n23\n00:08:53,166 --> 00:08:54,367\n部長這要不要說明一下我會請原管局跟產發署一起來針對像這樣的會負債這樣的比較重大如果沒有綁好會有意外我們來加強跟他們做\n\n24\n00:09:09,557 --> 00:09:26,388\n局長一個月內的時間給我一個檢討的報告好不好就怎麼樣的改善措施然後怎麼樣去提醒齁因為這每一個掉落下來運氣不好就是人命阿沒有錯阿現在隨便壓下來動輒就是車輛受損甚至於動輒連整個所有的路牌整個全部都受損\n\n25\n00:09:29,189 --> 00:09:42,655\n安全是第一的如果沒有安全其實沒有其他可言所以我認為這個是產業發展或整個移居城市一個最重要的一環我們希望產業跟人命並重這兩者要去兼顧再來我請教一下\n\n26\n00:09:43,955 --> 00:10:11,358\n前鎮園區這個也謝謝部長大力支持有24億的一個新的一個計畫作但是接下來好幾個都在進行當中不管是B3的基地包括社區土地包括儲運用地的部分我希望部長跟局長持續來加速來推動這個是一個50年前就最好的一個加工出口區的地方那也謝謝部長我們改名了也給予一些更新了以後我希望後面這些的進度都能夠持續來推動\n\n27\n00:10:12,119 --> 00:10:16,041\n是這個一定我也一直督促他們這個相關的這個精華地帶怎麼樣騰龍換鳥讓這個可以不斷的來更新那政府怎麼樣來協助廠商來做更新還有相關的公共建設的部分來支持\n\n28\n00:10:29,266 --> 00:10:48,552\n副長這個是不是也一樣請給我匯後給我你們整體的所有的一些進度好不好就是說這邊的更新的進度包括未來的規劃進度我們希望這個50年前臺灣經濟奇蹟的一個重要的起源地在經過整個執政之後我們讓它有一個更好的一個新的一個改變沒錯好不好那請匯後再把這些詳細的資料給我好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n189\t27764\t委員請做詢答那我也請行政部門因為是詢答所以呢等委員這個發言需要行政部門回答再回答好嗎謝謝好謝謝主席請部長王部長跟王總經理好我們請部長跟王總好我先問一下部長王總經理是台電的專業經理人你現在最了解我先問王總經理好了啦台電有沒有說謊\n29600\t31102\t報告委員臺電沒有說謊臺電沒有說謊4月15號有沒有這樣的限電危機跟委員報告\n38208\t60869\t在4月14號的時候其實我們已經看到一些狀況了那什麼狀況呢就是整個的地震所造成的那個機組的受傷害啊不是馬上發生的是陸陸續續在發生那原因就是因為我們的鍋爐啊很多都是這種所以都在台電的掌控之中嗎那有所謂產生所謂的限電危機或剛剛其他委員講的那些狀況嗎\n61730\t70235\t那跟委員報告其實他最大的一個問題是在下午5點51分就是4月15號當天5點51分的時候發生了大潭的8號機有110萬千瓦的這麼大的一個量跳脫然後到了6點16分不到30分鐘\n81522\t103451\t我們的那個在明潭那邊有一個巴士,這個是地震,內傷,內傷的話在那個瞬間他那個巴士故障之後導致我三部機組跳脫,這兩個加起來就185萬的機組跳脫,總共有6%的被轉容量率,是一個這麼大的一個狀況發生,這個從來在台南沒發生過。我知道,總經理那有限電的危機這樣的事情嗎?\n104631\t129698\t到了那個時機點是比較短、少我們的備轉容量剩下3%還是有3%嗎?還有3%比較緊張一點但是還在3%內是還在可控制的範圍內我覺得未來如果發生像這樣的事情我也建議台電要清楚對外的說明因為現在訊息太多了有時候甚至網路很多有時候會不斷地這樣傳以而傳而出聚流受反而會造成大家的一些困擾然後我建議台電其實可以\n130098\t155617\t立即清楚的對外做說明所以第一個很清楚沒有說謊的問題第二個其實確實比較緊張那是因為4月3號之後的大震包括後面的余震所導致那我必須肯定啦臺電在4月3號那樣的大震狀況下還維持得相當好其實這真的是不容易的所以我覺得還是給予臺電新國同仁要給予基本的肯定那至於產生了所謂這些後面的東西的時候我建議臺電都應該第一時間對外來澄清說明不要讓\n156537\t178948\t什麼好像對於發言人怎樣的這樣的傳我覺得對於臺電整體上是不公平也是信譽上也是受損的所以我覺得這個也請未來這個王總經理這邊持續來推動讓更多正確的訊息第一時間讓社會知道穩定民心好不好好謝謝委員好部長剛剛其實王總都有講了啦部長應該都認同王總剛剛講的那個是是好好\n183671\t204751\t我想這個電力是一個相當複雜的問題我想這幾年台灣的整個整體的我認為電力策略上大體方向都是正確的不管是從綠能的推動到整個這個儲能等等的甚至於很多穩定的供電系統的穩定等等我們做了很多的努力我也相信這個未來都會有很大的成果\n205832\t234850\t我想我還是要對部長因為其實部長上任4年嘛上任4年那現在終於這個新的部長上來之後也可以稍微卸下重擔那我還是要肯定部長這4年來其實我們並肩作戰在國家在立法院這邊我看到其實從客觀數據來上這4年來經濟成長率3.5施小龍的第一名所以我想不管怎麼樣的那個整體部長在這塊領導經濟部的團隊我想是值得肯定的\n235330\t260152\t那我想問一下部長接下來未來你會不會繼續留在內閣團隊內為大家服務謝謝委員那我想經濟部長委員也知道那業務繁多那我每天想只要還在一天我就非常努力把我們經濟部的事情做好部長如果有機會繼續留在內閣團隊內也希望你能夠繼續為國家來服務謝謝委員鼓勵那另外我想問一下郭志輝董事長\n260652\t279842\t由產業界來接任這個確實是相當大的一個挑戰你也知道其實以臺灣的政治環境產業界過來是相當辛苦的是部長怎麼看待這樣的一個郭董事長願意來接任部長這樣的一個我想第一個產業界的人士而且是這樣的一個這麼大的事業公司的負責人願意為國家來承擔這個國家的產業的發展的政策\n285445\t285966\t賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆\n312665\t337157\t多多給予協助特別是很多經濟部的業務相當繁重而且相當瑣碎那有些部分像您長期在經濟部你當然就相對熟悉了解但是外面來的一個新的部長要熟悉業務需要一點時間更何況以現在的朝野的方式恐怕不會給部長新的部長太多的時間所以我也希望部長大力來協助讓好不容易產業界的人有這樣的信心也有這樣的魄力願意進來國家來幫忙\n338678\t350384\t我認為應該給予更多的鼓勵跟支持不然未來你看這幾任為什麼經濟部長幾乎都是由內部才有一些機會因為外面光看到立法院這種草野惡鬥這種狀況大概看到都怕了誰會願意放棄到外面的這麼好的一些狀況而願意投身到公眾服務來所以我覺得國家應該給予\n356843\t380372\t多一點正面的鼓勵才會有更多的人才願意進到政府機關來從多面向來貢獻給國家請部長來大力支持那另外我也想關心一下今天早上下了雨其實心理上是感覺是比較好的因為最近有點擔心這個水的問題北部的部分現在有幾個水庫的水量不到三成部長擔不擔心接下來的水情的狀況\n381749\t402925\t現在是確實都還在枯水期但是已經是枯水期的比較末端了那這一段時間我們確實都會比較謹慎來調度跟相關的使用那我想我們每一天都針對這樣的一個枯水期來做所以水情還在掌控之中嗎?省慎的之中嗎?水利署的同仁也都會在這樣的情況之下會定期來做檢視所以接下來\n410911\t419326\t接下來開始有可能沒一起甚至於整個訊息的來臨之後其實應該水情會穩定下來我們希望我們希望所以應該是還好署長有沒有什麼看法補充\n421447\t421707\t所以水情上是穩定嗎?\n450883\t476456\t我們省慎的來因應省慎因應南部的本位還是要提醒部長跟署長持續甚至於南部現在包括台積電不管是P1、P2、P3都陸續有到高雄來做投資的狀況水還是要持續那我希望未來在再生水廠甚至於海淡廠的部分還是請部長跟署長持續來規劃我覺得南部讓他的水情更加穩定對於整個產業的均衡發展都有相當大的一個注意\n477396\t502770\t再來我想請教一下前天4月16日高雄沿海如果發生貨櫃車掉落鋼捲掉到地板上這個一個都四噸五噸重這也不是只有前天發生其實這幾年來大概發生了這四年來發生了12件甚至有些發生人命的問題\n503730\t532446\t我希望部長跟局長能夠特別的去要求因為有些我們現在國企跟會議都在做了我們會加速來完成但是這些人為應該去防止發生的應該要去控制就是說不應該讓他不管是他的整個維護的系統沒做好還是他的車速過快等等我認為這個部分部長跟局長應該要去要求這些業者要更加甚至在出來的時候就要做更多的一些的要求跟把關\n533166\t534367\t部長這要不要說明一下我會請原管局跟產發署一起來針對像這樣的會負債這樣的比較重大如果沒有綁好會有意外我們來加強跟他們做\n549557\t566388\t局長一個月內的時間給我一個檢討的報告好不好就怎麼樣的改善措施然後怎麼樣去提醒齁因為這每一個掉落下來運氣不好就是人命阿沒有錯阿現在隨便壓下來動輒就是車輛受損甚至於動輒連整個所有的路牌整個全部都受損\n569189\t582655\t安全是第一的 如果沒有安全其實沒有其他可言所以我認為這個是產業發展或整個移居城市一個最重要的一環我們希望產業跟人命並重 這兩者要去兼顧再來我請教一下\n583955\t611358\t前鎮園區這個也謝謝部長大力支持有24億的一個新的一個計畫作但是接下來好幾個都在進行當中不管是B3的基地包括社區土地包括儲運用地的部分我希望部長跟局長持續來加速來推動這個是一個50年前就最好的一個加工出口區的地方那也謝謝部長我們改名了也給予一些更新了以後我希望後面這些的進度都能夠持續來推動\n612119\t616041\t是 這個一定我也一直督促他們這個相關的這個精華地帶怎麼樣騰龍換鳥讓這個可以不斷的來更新那政府怎麼樣來協助廠商來做更新還有相關的公共建設的部分來支持\n629266\t648552\t副長這個是不是也一樣請給我匯後給我你們整體的所有的一些進度好不好就是說這邊的更新的進度包括未來的規劃進度我們希望這個50年前臺灣經濟奇蹟的一個重要的起源地在經過整個執政之後我們讓它有一個更好的一個新的一個改變沒錯好不好那請匯後再把這些詳細的資料給我好謝謝\n","txt":"委員請做詢答那我也請行政部門因為是詢答所以呢等委員這個發言需要行政部門回答再回答好嗎謝謝好謝謝主席請部長王部長跟王總經理好我們請部長跟王總好我先問一下部長王總經理是台電的專業經理人你現在最了解我先問王總經理好了啦台電有沒有說謊\n報告委員臺電沒有說謊臺電沒有說謊4月15號有沒有這樣的限電危機跟委員報告\n在4月14號的時候其實我們已經看到一些狀況了那什麼狀況呢就是整個的地震所造成的那個機組的受傷害啊不是馬上發生的是陸陸續續在發生那原因就是因為我們的鍋爐啊很多都是這種所以都在台電的掌控之中嗎那有所謂產生所謂的限電危機或剛剛其他委員講的那些狀況嗎\n那跟委員報告其實他最大的一個問題是在下午5點51分就是4月15號當天5點51分的時候發生了大潭的8號機有110萬千瓦的這麼大的一個量跳脫然後到了6點16分不到30分鐘\n我們的那個在明潭那邊有一個巴士,這個是地震,內傷,內傷的話在那個瞬間他那個巴士故障之後導致我三部機組跳脫,這兩個加起來就185萬的機組跳脫,總共有6%的被轉容量率,是一個這麼大的一個狀況發生,這個從來在台南沒發生過。我知道,總經理那有限電的危機這樣的事情嗎?\n到了那個時機點是比較短、少我們的備轉容量剩下3%還是有3%嗎?還有3%比較緊張一點但是還在3%內是還在可控制的範圍內我覺得未來如果發生像這樣的事情我也建議台電要清楚對外的說明因為現在訊息太多了有時候甚至網路很多有時候會不斷地這樣傳以而傳而出聚流受反而會造成大家的一些困擾然後我建議台電其實可以\n立即清楚的對外做說明所以第一個很清楚沒有說謊的問題第二個其實確實比較緊張那是因為4月3號之後的大震包括後面的余震所導致那我必須肯定啦臺電在4月3號那樣的大震狀況下還維持得相當好其實這真的是不容易的所以我覺得還是給予臺電新國同仁要給予基本的肯定那至於產生了所謂這些後面的東西的時候我建議臺電都應該第一時間對外來澄清說明不要讓\n什麼好像對於發言人怎樣的這樣的傳我覺得對於臺電整體上是不公平也是信譽上也是受損的所以我覺得這個也請未來這個王總經理這邊持續來推動讓更多正確的訊息第一時間讓社會知道穩定民心好不好好謝謝委員好部長剛剛其實王總都有講了啦部長應該都認同王總剛剛講的那個是是好好\n我想這個電力是一個相當複雜的問題我想這幾年台灣的整個整體的我認為電力策略上大體方向都是正確的不管是從綠能的推動到整個這個儲能等等的甚至於很多穩定的供電系統的穩定等等我們做了很多的努力我也相信這個未來都會有很大的成果\n我想我還是要對部長因為其實部長上任4年嘛上任4年那現在終於這個新的部長上來之後也可以稍微卸下重擔那我還是要肯定部長這4年來其實我們並肩作戰在國家在立法院這邊我看到其實從客觀數據來上這4年來經濟成長率3.5施小龍的第一名所以我想不管怎麼樣的那個整體部長在這塊領導經濟部的團隊我想是值得肯定的\n那我想問一下部長接下來未來你會不會繼續留在內閣團隊內為大家服務謝謝委員那我想經濟部長委員也知道那業務繁多那我每天想只要還在一天我就非常努力把我們經濟部的事情做好部長如果有機會繼續留在內閣團隊內也希望你能夠繼續為國家來服務謝謝委員鼓勵那另外我想問一下郭志輝董事長\n由產業界來接任這個確實是相當大的一個挑戰你也知道其實以臺灣的政治環境產業界過來是相當辛苦的是部長怎麼看待這樣的一個郭董事長願意來接任部長這樣的一個我想第一個產業界的人士而且是這樣的一個這麼大的事業公司的負責人願意為國家來承擔這個國家的產業的發展的政策\n賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆\n多多給予協助特別是很多經濟部的業務相當繁重而且相當瑣碎那有些部分像您長期在經濟部你當然就相對熟悉了解但是外面來的一個新的部長要熟悉業務需要一點時間更何況以現在的朝野的方式恐怕不會給部長新的部長太多的時間所以我也希望部長大力來協助讓好不容易產業界的人有這樣的信心也有這樣的魄力願意進來國家來幫忙\n我認為應該給予更多的鼓勵跟支持不然未來你看這幾任為什麼經濟部長幾乎都是由內部才有一些機會因為外面光看到立法院這種草野惡鬥這種狀況大概看到都怕了誰會願意放棄到外面的這麼好的一些狀況而願意投身到公眾服務來所以我覺得國家應該給予\n多一點正面的鼓勵才會有更多的人才願意進到政府機關來從多面向來貢獻給國家請部長來大力支持那另外我也想關心一下今天早上下了雨其實心理上是感覺是比較好的因為最近有點擔心這個水的問題北部的部分現在有幾個水庫的水量不到三成部長擔不擔心接下來的水情的狀況\n現在是確實都還在枯水期但是已經是枯水期的比較末端了那這一段時間我們確實都會比較謹慎來調度跟相關的使用那我想我們每一天都針對這樣的一個枯水期來做所以水情還在掌控之中嗎?省慎的之中嗎?水利署的同仁也都會在這樣的情況之下會定期來做檢視所以接下來\n接下來開始有可能沒一起甚至於整個訊息的來臨之後其實應該水情會穩定下來我們希望我們希望所以應該是還好署長有沒有什麼看法補充\n所以水情上是穩定嗎?\n我們省慎的來因應省慎因應南部的本位還是要提醒部長跟署長持續甚至於南部現在包括台積電不管是P1、P2、P3都陸續有到高雄來做投資的狀況水還是要持續那我希望未來在再生水廠甚至於海淡廠的部分還是請部長跟署長持續來規劃我覺得南部讓他的水情更加穩定對於整個產業的均衡發展都有相當大的一個注意\n再來我想請教一下前天4月16日高雄沿海如果發生貨櫃車掉落鋼捲掉到地板上這個一個都四噸五噸重這也不是只有前天發生其實這幾年來大概發生了這四年來發生了12件甚至有些發生人命的問題\n我希望部長跟局長能夠特別的去要求因為有些我們現在國企跟會議都在做了我們會加速來完成但是這些人為應該去防止發生的應該要去控制就是說不應該讓他不管是他的整個維護的系統沒做好還是他的車速過快等等我認為這個部分部長跟局長應該要去要求這些業者要更加甚至在出來的時候就要做更多的一些的要求跟把關\n部長這要不要說明一下我會請原管局跟產發署一起來針對像這樣的會負債這樣的比較重大如果沒有綁好會有意外我們來加強跟他們做\n局長一個月內的時間給我一個檢討的報告好不好就怎麼樣的改善措施然後怎麼樣去提醒齁因為這每一個掉落下來運氣不好就是人命阿沒有錯阿現在隨便壓下來動輒就是車輛受損甚至於動輒連整個所有的路牌整個全部都受損\n安全是第一的 如果沒有安全其實沒有其他可言所以我認為這個是產業發展或整個移居城市一個最重要的一環我們希望產業跟人命並重 這兩者要去兼顧再來我請教一下\n前鎮園區這個也謝謝部長大力支持有24億的一個新的一個計畫作但是接下來好幾個都在進行當中不管是B3的基地包括社區土地包括儲運用地的部分我希望部長跟局長持續來加速來推動這個是一個50年前就最好的一個加工出口區的地方那也謝謝部長我們改名了也給予一些更新了以後我希望後面這些的進度都能夠持續來推動\n是 這個一定我也一直督促他們這個相關的這個精華地帶怎麼樣騰龍換鳥讓這個可以不斷的來更新那政府怎麼樣來協助廠商來做更新還有相關的公共建設的部分來支持\n副長這個是不是也一樣請給我匯後給我你們整體的所有的一些進度好不好就是說這邊的更新的進度包括未來的規劃進度我們希望這個50年前臺灣經濟奇蹟的一個重要的起源地在經過整個執政之後我們讓它有一個更好的一個新的一個改變沒錯好不好那請匯後再把這些詳細的資料給我好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 --> 00:27.764\n委員請做詢答那我也請行政部門因為是詢答所以呢等委員這個發言需要行政部門回答再回答好嗎謝謝好謝謝主席請部長王部長跟王總經理好我們請部長跟王總好我先問一下部長王總經理是台電的專業經理人你現在最了解我先問王總經理好了啦台電有沒有說謊\n\n00:29.600 --> 00:31.102\n報告委員臺電沒有說謊臺電沒有說謊4月15號有沒有這樣的限電危機跟委員報告\n\n00:38.208 --> 01:00.869\n在4月14號的時候其實我們已經看到一些狀況了那什麼狀況呢就是整個的地震所造成的那個機組的受傷害啊不是馬上發生的是陸陸續續在發生那原因就是因為我們的鍋爐啊很多都是這種所以都在台電的掌控之中嗎那有所謂產生所謂的限電危機或剛剛其他委員講的那些狀況嗎\n\n01:01.730 --> 01:10.235\n那跟委員報告其實他最大的一個問題是在下午5點51分就是4月15號當天5點51分的時候發生了大潭的8號機有110萬千瓦的這麼大的一個量跳脫然後到了6點16分不到30分鐘\n\n01:21.522 --> 01:43.451\n我們的那個在明潭那邊有一個巴士,這個是地震,內傷,內傷的話在那個瞬間他那個巴士故障之後導致我三部機組跳脫,這兩個加起來就185萬的機組跳脫,總共有6%的被轉容量率,是一個這麼大的一個狀況發生,這個從來在台南沒發生過。我知道,總經理那有限電的危機這樣的事情嗎?\n\n01:44.631 --> 02:09.698\n到了那個時機點是比較短、少我們的備轉容量剩下3%還是有3%嗎?還有3%比較緊張一點但是還在3%內是還在可控制的範圍內我覺得未來如果發生像這樣的事情我也建議台電要清楚對外的說明因為現在訊息太多了有時候甚至網路很多有時候會不斷地這樣傳以而傳而出聚流受反而會造成大家的一些困擾然後我建議台電其實可以\n\n02:10.098 --> 02:35.617\n立即清楚的對外做說明所以第一個很清楚沒有說謊的問題第二個其實確實比較緊張那是因為4月3號之後的大震包括後面的余震所導致那我必須肯定啦臺電在4月3號那樣的大震狀況下還維持得相當好其實這真的是不容易的所以我覺得還是給予臺電新國同仁要給予基本的肯定那至於產生了所謂這些後面的東西的時候我建議臺電都應該第一時間對外來澄清說明不要讓\n\n02:36.537 --> 02:58.948\n什麼好像對於發言人怎樣的這樣的傳我覺得對於臺電整體上是不公平也是信譽上也是受損的所以我覺得這個也請未來這個王總經理這邊持續來推動讓更多正確的訊息第一時間讓社會知道穩定民心好不好好謝謝委員好部長剛剛其實王總都有講了啦部長應該都認同王總剛剛講的那個是是好好\n\n03:03.671 --> 03:24.751\n我想這個電力是一個相當複雜的問題我想這幾年台灣的整個整體的我認為電力策略上大體方向都是正確的不管是從綠能的推動到整個這個儲能等等的甚至於很多穩定的供電系統的穩定等等我們做了很多的努力我也相信這個未來都會有很大的成果\n\n03:25.832 --> 03:54.850\n我想我還是要對部長因為其實部長上任4年嘛上任4年那現在終於這個新的部長上來之後也可以稍微卸下重擔那我還是要肯定部長這4年來其實我們並肩作戰在國家在立法院這邊我看到其實從客觀數據來上這4年來經濟成長率3.5施小龍的第一名所以我想不管怎麼樣的那個整體部長在這塊領導經濟部的團隊我想是值得肯定的\n\n03:55.330 --> 04:20.152\n那我想問一下部長接下來未來你會不會繼續留在內閣團隊內為大家服務謝謝委員那我想經濟部長委員也知道那業務繁多那我每天想只要還在一天我就非常努力把我們經濟部的事情做好部長如果有機會繼續留在內閣團隊內也希望你能夠繼續為國家來服務謝謝委員鼓勵那另外我想問一下郭志輝董事長\n\n04:20.652 --> 04:39.842\n由產業界來接任這個確實是相當大的一個挑戰你也知道其實以臺灣的政治環境產業界過來是相當辛苦的是部長怎麼看待這樣的一個郭董事長願意來接任部長這樣的一個我想第一個產業界的人士而且是這樣的一個這麼大的事業公司的負責人願意為國家來承擔這個國家的產業的發展的政策\n\n04:45.445 --> 04:45.966\n賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆議員賴瑞隆\n\n05:12.665 --> 05:37.157\n多多給予協助特別是很多經濟部的業務相當繁重而且相當瑣碎那有些部分像您長期在經濟部你當然就相對熟悉了解但是外面來的一個新的部長要熟悉業務需要一點時間更何況以現在的朝野的方式恐怕不會給部長新的部長太多的時間所以我也希望部長大力來協助讓好不容易產業界的人有這樣的信心也有這樣的魄力願意進來國家來幫忙\n\n05:38.678 --> 05:50.384\n我認為應該給予更多的鼓勵跟支持不然未來你看這幾任為什麼經濟部長幾乎都是由內部才有一些機會因為外面光看到立法院這種草野惡鬥這種狀況大概看到都怕了誰會願意放棄到外面的這麼好的一些狀況而願意投身到公眾服務來所以我覺得國家應該給予\n\n05:56.843 --> 06:20.372\n多一點正面的鼓勵才會有更多的人才願意進到政府機關來從多面向來貢獻給國家請部長來大力支持那另外我也想關心一下今天早上下了雨其實心理上是感覺是比較好的因為最近有點擔心這個水的問題北部的部分現在有幾個水庫的水量不到三成部長擔不擔心接下來的水情的狀況\n\n06:21.749 --> 06:42.925\n現在是確實都還在枯水期但是已經是枯水期的比較末端了那這一段時間我們確實都會比較謹慎來調度跟相關的使用那我想我們每一天都針對這樣的一個枯水期來做所以水情還在掌控之中嗎?省慎的之中嗎?水利署的同仁也都會在這樣的情況之下會定期來做檢視所以接下來\n\n06:50.911 --> 06:59.326\n接下來開始有可能沒一起甚至於整個訊息的來臨之後其實應該水情會穩定下來我們希望我們希望所以應該是還好署長有沒有什麼看法補充\n\n07:01.447 --> 07:01.707\n所以水情上是穩定嗎?\n\n07:30.883 --> 07:56.456\n我們省慎的來因應省慎因應南部的本位還是要提醒部長跟署長持續甚至於南部現在包括台積電不管是P1、P2、P3都陸續有到高雄來做投資的狀況水還是要持續那我希望未來在再生水廠甚至於海淡廠的部分還是請部長跟署長持續來規劃我覺得南部讓他的水情更加穩定對於整個產業的均衡發展都有相當大的一個注意\n\n07:57.396 --> 08:22.770\n再來我想請教一下前天4月16日高雄沿海如果發生貨櫃車掉落鋼捲掉到地板上這個一個都四噸五噸重這也不是只有前天發生其實這幾年來大概發生了這四年來發生了12件甚至有些發生人命的問題\n\n08:23.730 --> 08:52.446\n我希望部長跟局長能夠特別的去要求因為有些我們現在國企跟會議都在做了我們會加速來完成但是這些人為應該去防止發生的應該要去控制就是說不應該讓他不管是他的整個維護的系統沒做好還是他的車速過快等等我認為這個部分部長跟局長應該要去要求這些業者要更加甚至在出來的時候就要做更多的一些的要求跟把關\n\n08:53.166 --> 08:54.367\n部長這要不要說明一下我會請原管局跟產發署一起來針對像這樣的會負債這樣的比較重大如果沒有綁好會有意外我們來加強跟他們做\n\n09:09.557 --> 09:26.388\n局長一個月內的時間給我一個檢討的報告好不好就怎麼樣的改善措施然後怎麼樣去提醒齁因為這每一個掉落下來運氣不好就是人命阿沒有錯阿現在隨便壓下來動輒就是車輛受損甚至於動輒連整個所有的路牌整個全部都受損\n\n09:29.189 --> 09:42.655\n安全是第一的如果沒有安全其實沒有其他可言所以我認為這個是產業發展或整個移居城市一個最重要的一環我們希望產業跟人命並重這兩者要去兼顧再來我請教一下\n\n09:43.955 --> 10:11.358\n前鎮園區這個也謝謝部長大力支持有24億的一個新的一個計畫作但是接下來好幾個都在進行當中不管是B3的基地包括社區土地包括儲運用地的部分我希望部長跟局長持續來加速來推動這個是一個50年前就最好的一個加工出口區的地方那也謝謝部長我們改名了也給予一些更新了以後我希望後面這些的進度都能夠持續來推動\n\n10:12.119 --> 10:16.041\n是這個一定我也一直督促他們這個相關的這個精華地帶怎麼樣騰龍換鳥讓這個可以不斷的來更新那政府怎麼樣來協助廠商來做更新還有相關的公共建設的部分來支持\n\n10:29.266 --> 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