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00:02:40,236\n交通部初步的一個構想是以一千兩百元來作為一個取消檢舉與否的一個依據我認為這樣的方式是不負責任的我認為這樣的方式是過於消極而且對於整體的這樣的一個交通安全的這樣的一個推動我認為是有衝擊的我們以一千兩百元來做一刀切\n\n8\n00:02:41,437 --> 00:03:05,946\n是不負責任我認為是應該要以危險的程度來做分級的這樣的一個狀況來部長你說明一下跟照有報告就是在我們道路交通管理處罰條例第九十二條裡面事實上它已經有一個規定就輕微規輕微違規嵌倒的這個規定然後它授權的執法就是維護道路交通統一財務的基準跟處理細則\n\n9\n00:03:06,986 --> 00:03:35,777\n在這裡面他也是把一些項目在1200元以下在這個部分是警察施以嵌倒免以舉花所以我們當時就是按照道交條例跟這個危害暴露交通的這個處理細則裡面去訂這1200元那的確在這個總共現在出來這10項裡面我想說包括上次委員所這個召開的公聽會大家有一些想法但是我們當時的依據就是按照這樣的依據來做事\n\n10\n00:03:36,937 --> 00:03:57,709\n我就說我們依照一千兩百元來做處理是平易行事是不負責任的因為我們必須針對這十種樣態它的危險性以及嚴重的狀況來做分析來做處理我想社會對於這樣的一個處置方式是比較能夠接受的那因為我們這十種樣態在\n\n11\n00:04:00,953 --> 00:04:17,223\n公聽會我想不只是陸群團體運輸團體也有不一樣的意見他們認為這十種樣態如果以一刀切的方式他們認為也是過於消極而且是便宜形式的這樣的一個態度認為有幾樣是可以討論的\n\n12\n00:04:20,902 --> 00:04:21,843\n報告告告告告告告告告告\n\n13\n00:04:38,931 --> 00:04:57,156\n是召開公聽會那今天是進行詢答那我們會再找時間來做主條的審查那主條審查的時候我希望交通部能夠提出明確針對這十種樣態是否以做分級來做處置或者是這十種樣態會取消\n\n14\n00:04:59,673 --> 00:05:19,871\n哪幾個樣態來做一個處理來部長簡單說明一下是這一次的公聽會跟大家表達的意見事實上對於這裡的第一項就是為大家安全冒著這部分因為牽涉到機車的安全還有第十項就是身心障礙專用停車位的違規停車部分\n\n15\n00:05:20,852 --> 00:05:40,188\n大家比較有共識認為這個可以排除那我跟委員報告就是說當時我們是依照這個道交條例還有處理細則過去的規定來做當然每一項裡面是可以討論部長剛才提出這兩項是可以取消的這樣的一個樣態可以討論跟考慮我認為必須更進一步的針對這十種樣態\n\n16\n00:05:47,173 --> 00:06:01,041\n必須更積極地討論出相關的處理的方式。希望在下次我們逐條審查的時候提出更明確的一個版本。部長我們對於交通安全我想在\n\n17\n00:06:02,642 --> 00:06:29,255\n之前我具體的要求交通部屢次的宣誓要推動道路的交通安全那我認為口號是不夠的必須要有積極的作為以及硬性的目標所以當初我要求逐年減少5%的這樣的一個車禍的死傷的比例那很可惜部長\n\n18\n00:06:30,677 --> 00:06:30,697\n報告\n\n19\n00:06:52,418 --> 00:06:53,078\n報告告告告告\n\n20\n00:07:17,390 --> 00:07:34,056\n這些死亡的案件都是一個不幸的個案也都是交通部的責任我們如果以這不幸車禍交通意外事故死亡的來做一個分類的話行人大概是400人機車騎士2000人\n\n21\n00:07:38,502 --> 00:08:06,870\n自行車也很嚴重欸自行車大概是250人客車大概是160人左右所以我們對於整體的交通安全啊不只是道交條例的一個處理啊必須交通工程相關的交通教育交通的監理交通的一個執法都必須要全面的去做處理啊部長我們的成績啊是國人不滿意啊而且啊是不及格來讓你簡單說明一下\n\n22\n00:08:08,030 --> 00:08:30,986\n我跟委員報告的確我們現在目標是5%我跟委員報告齁在去年下半年我們包括這個修法還有一系列的這個行人跟交通安全改革去年的這個下半年的死亡是下降8.5%行人是下降10.78%所以等於說去年的下半年是有達到這個目標那今年我剛才問我們那個\n\n23\n00:08:33,488 --> 00:08:53,804\n這個黃司長也是在下降中。我想說過去在執法、工程、教育方面已經慢慢有成效。那我們就往這個方向持續來進行。部長我們現在已經依據道路交通安全基本法那行政院在1月25號也通過了道路交通安全的綱要計劃。\n\n24\n00:08:55,245 --> 00:09:12,078\n然後我們對於行人的道路交通安全設施條例在今日之前也在立法院三讀通過但是我們對於整體相關交通安全的改善一步一步的在做推動但是這個每年減少5%的這個成績\n\n25\n00:09:14,580 --> 00:09:43,439\n沒有做到我想這是部長在離開交通部之前一個最大的遺憾當然在過去這一段期間你擔任次長以及部長的這一段期間也解決了相關的不管是相關的工會的議題以及整體的一些交通的重大議題的一個處置你也有一定的成績但是對於交通安全這個成績是不及格的部長能讓你最後做一個說明\n\n26\n00:09:44,980 --> 00:10:10,528\n我想說去年的下半年剛才談到8.5%新人是10.78%是一個好的開始等於說去年的下半年包括行政院各部位都動起來今年也開始有點成績我想說這部分就是持續來進行的確我當部長裡面道安是我覺得最遺憾的一件事情我就覺得真的要很大幅的下降\n\n27\n00:10:11,508 --> 00:10:37,311\n那這部分我想說這個一棒接一棒然後這個現在已經有下半年已經好的一個開始那我期待尤其現在是由院長主持的大安會報我想說至少在過去這段在去年這段時間我把整個制度把它建好了包括經費400億的經費包括內政部談到現在安全設施條例包括重量的大安會報已經做好了\n\n28\n00:10:37,731 --> 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