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00:00:03,112\n請次長跟署長\n\n2\n00:00:08,629 --> 00:00:32,063\n委員長謝謝喔這個次長沒想到又在諮詢團跟你見面了我記得看看你的這個歷史你是中山大學的教授而且105年7月你是從中山大學教務長離開然後到大考中心嘛那時候鄭英耀在你童年的時候8月才擔任中山的校長所以你們是師之交備那你現在目前為止你是會隨潘部長卸任呢還是我們的新部長有徵詢你繼續擔任政策\n\n3\n00:00:34,386 --> 00:00:46,331\n目前沒有這方面的訊息好啦不管你怎麼樣反正就是做一天的和尚敲一天的鐘啦我覺得次長這個態度或是語調上或許你的態度積極但你的語調現在讓所有的委員覺得現在是有點太和緩了好不好我們兩個加起來除以二可能才是真正應該在這個大院裡面當中所應該有的好那你知道教改三十年這個過程你一點都不陌生而且你自己本身是台大畢業的\n\n4\n00:01:00,336 --> 00:01:11,063\n那很多人都指出台大快要變成我們大安區的這個大學了因為過去靠教育翻身然後現在整個這個階級流動的部分來說的話你會發現掌握越多工具的人他進入頂大的這個成效其實越高嘛那你反而是讓這個30年的這個教改變成M型化的這個社會嘛這個貧窮這個世襲化嘛這一點你不能否認嘛所以資源能分配是非常的重要的所以本席跟其他的委員都提出的修法\n\n5\n00:01:29,835 --> 00:01:58,364\n希望能夠讓經濟弱勢的學生能夠免納學費而且我們認為我們可以照顧到97萬人而且我的主張是排付的目前賴清德準總統他的政見當中他是在二月的時候才推出學費的補助受惠的人是47.3萬但是並沒有排付再加上其他的方案請問教育部對於我剛剛所提到的改善M型化有更高明更公平的做法嗎?次長\n\n6\n00:01:59,913 --> 00:02:18,031\n跟委員報告目前當然如委員所說這個問題的確是存在特別是我們公立跟私立之間的學費所以我們現在初步是先來拉近這個學費的差距但是針對委員所提出的這個免納學費其實我們是支持這樣的一個精神\n\n7\n00:02:18,692 --> 00:02:18,872\n二、審查委員\n\n8\n00:02:34,605 --> 00:02:49,503\n做一個可行性的評估然後算出來然後由新部長看看是不是可以來做這樣的一個執行因為我還是強調我是排富而且我可以造就將近一百萬的學生所以請你好好慎重來做一個考慮接下來我要問你也督導你督導高中你也督導這個國體大吧\n\n9\n00:02:52,916 --> 00:03:13,820\n市長是吧?國體大部分也歸你管吧?你有聽過行政協助這四個字的方式嗎?你有聽過行政協助嗎?有這是會計項目的一個部分嘛我們來看看嘛112年的時候你的公務預算我說實在的公務預算當中呢4000多萬運動法案、金金私案就是3000多萬去年總計15萬花了7800多萬好了那今年呢短短的三個月時間呢你就有11案\n\n10\n00:03:22,002 --> 00:03:34,012\n給國體大的行政協助我先不知道行政協助的定義先說明一下從今年三個月不到時間就有11案總共加起來說實在鄭署長你上任到現在給國體大的行政協助總共花了將近一億兩千多萬為什麼其他學校都沒有辦法拿到行政協助為什麼國體他讀後國體他給這麼多難道就是因為我們鄭署長是屬於國體大的總務長嗎\n\n11\n00:03:48,277 --> 00:04:03,801\n為什麼會有這麼多?國體大學培養非常多運動人才,無庸置疑,但是行政協助,次長你知道嗎?每一案是不是要經過你的允許?你知道有這件事嗎?行政協助不一定過我這邊。然後呢?過誰那邊?我只問你,總共加起來,夯不夯加起來,總共一年多的時間,一億兩千萬。行政協助。\n\n12\n00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:27,118\n你現在如果不知道的話你現在知道了行政協助給了這麼多更不要說其他還有4.1億其他的補助給國體大我可不可以請問一下署長你要不要解釋一下而且目前來說這個這麼大的行政協助你這麼有行政效率啊\n\n13\n00:04:27,638 --> 00:04:40,467\n報告委員,其實我們常跟各大專校院請求他們協助,主要是在政策的部分。我懂,問題是你跟其他的比較台師大,其他比較起來。我幫你把經費全部拿出來給我們看看。我現在只想說你上任之後一年多的時間,我們比這時間。其實在這部分的預算,這邊的經費的部分大部分是延續性的。那在我任內的部分大概是有少子化的部分。\n\n14\n00:04:55,496 --> 00:04:55,837\n請問教育部支不支持?\n\n15\n00:05:21,659 --> 00:05:48,337\n支持不是只有嘴巴講一講,還有次長還有署長,這麼多事件,我們有這麼多的這個發生了不少的教練性侵、猥褻選手,還有奧運金牌的教練性侵女選手這麼多年,與其事後來做懲處,我覺得事前的防範更重要,這是指正利利啊,不是嗎?請問你們有沒有更積極的做法跟防範的措施?不要事情發生了才做這樣的一個處理,有嗎?有更防範的做法嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:50,182 --> 00:06:08,048\n包括委員目前我們在三個會期基本上將這方面須應該有的法規大部分是完備了那現在就是在教育的部分我們在所有的教練以及裁判這些講習的部分我們還是更強力加上包括每年都必須包括哪些身體不可以碰觸哪些部分是最重要的\n\n17\n00:06:09,448 --> 00:06:14,314\n好我們希望這種事情因為這些選手就是為我們國家出去出賽不要再發生奧運金牌選手還有這樣的一個狀況然後呢我們也請體育署看看我因為我提出性別平等嘛所以我們來看看這個統計這是還蠻軟性的在大家還要上體育課的時間你們發現\n\n18\n00:06:26,869 --> 00:06:29,750\n這個18歲到24歲的女生都不是太愛運動反而到了五十幾歲之後男女愛運動的比率才回復平等你要不要說一下你要怎麼鼓勵我們的女生愛運動特別是有上運動體育課的人大家都不喜歡這是怎麼一回事\n\n19\n00:06:42,541 --> 00:06:58,201\n委員這部分我們還持續在努力因為說實在在升學的這個過程當中的確我們發現女性的規律運動人口的確比較少而且很有趣的是男女在17歲以下還有60歲以上比例是差不多的你反而女生在18到24歲就開始\n\n20\n00:07:00,504 --> 00:07:06,967\n不愛了知道我們體育課到底發生了什麼樣的狀況去了解一下好不好署長這是本席在調資的時候發現一個非常有趣的一個部分還有包括你看你輔導地方政府要設計基層運動員的這個培訓扇你看現在男女性別比例也是6比4這很明顯的而且同樣是六都為什麼台南跟高雄培訓選手特別少而且台南才只有600女生只有690人比苗栗的929還要少這是怎樣你看看你這樣的比率加起來\n\n21\n00:07:30,077 --> 00:07:40,762\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正\n\n22\n00:07:46,585 --> 00:08:01,695\n主長還是一樣啊,運動夏天大家都很喜歡啊。你看,像以高雄來說就有很多人跟我陳情啊。以前學生一個禮拜可以上四次游泳課啊,今年開始變成只有三次啊。問了一下教育局,他們告訴你就說因為體育署今年對這學校游泳課的補助少了七百萬,是怎樣?為什麼要少七百萬?\n\n23\n00:08:06,198 --> 00:08:11,719\n因為在疫情的期間,的確很多的縣市在經費上面是消化不掉,所以我們把剩餘的經費再挪給比較有這個意願的縣市。沒有啦,那你看學生就要挨挨救啦,本來是四個...是,沒有,除了是高雄市本身,的確我們也希望縣市政府也能夠配合,能夠一起來...那你還是要給人家經費足夠,你就是經費不夠才讓人家變成四個小時嘛。這部分我們會來努力啦。\n\n24\n00:08:26,403 --> 00:08:27,724\n請問你們在整個運動隊的心理智商人員名單出來了沒有?\n\n25\n00:08:50,585 --> 00:08:58,433\n報告委員目前我們在盤整當中因為這跟選手有沒有達標有連動性沒有你心理諮商師有沒有我們現在有大概預計啦最多應該是十位十位好目前為止啊你國訓教育科據說你們現在有四名心理師要來去往巴黎啦我請問他們有沒有專業證照目前都有運動心理學會他們發的有沒有專業證照\n\n26\n00:09:15,727 --> 00:09:24,672\n這部分是運動心理學會為主那有臨床心理師的部分大概有幾位是有的拜託那個署長你去搞清楚一下就我的理解來說你們目前來說本來國訓中心要派一名這個所謂的運動心理諮商員他是總負責\n\n27\n00:09:31,476 --> 00:09:36,259\n二、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員�\n\n28\n00:09:53,108 --> 00:09:53,369\n瓜瓜委員,我們在\n\n29\n00:10:11,725 --> 00:10:26,857\n奧運的現場我們的證件的部分的確沒有辦法每一位都拿到但是我們至少會有三位以上會能夠進到場內去場內而且要有專業的這樣的背景好不好不要空有一個名號沒有專業的證照要有證照我需要看到你們這時候在我們上次國訓中心發生的這件事情如果你有證照還告訴我你公開公審我真的要質疑這個大學的專業到底在哪裡這是非常重要的好不好包括他們的背景全部一一條列給我一下\n\n30\n00:10:40,947 --> 00:10:41,048\n好吧,謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2870\t3112\t請次長跟署長\n8629\t32063\t委員長謝謝喔這個次長沒想到又在諮詢團跟你見面了我記得看看你的這個歷史你是中山大學的教授而且105年7月你是從中山大學教務長離開然後到大考中心嘛那時候鄭英耀在你童年的時候8月才擔任中山的校長所以你們是師之交備那你現在目前為止你是會隨潘部長卸任呢還是我們的新部長有徵詢你繼續擔任政策\n34386\t46331\t目前沒有這方面的訊息好啦 不管你怎麼樣反正就是做一天的和尚敲一天的鐘啦我覺得次長這個態度或是語調上或許你的態度積極但你的語調現在讓所有的委員覺得現在是有點太和緩了好不好我們兩個加起來除以二可能才是真正應該在這個大院裡面當中所應該有的好 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我們希望這種事情因為這些選手就是為我們國家出去出賽不要再發生奧運金牌選手還有這樣的一個狀況然後呢 我們也請體育署看看我因為我提出性別平等嘛所以我們來看看這個統計這是還蠻軟性的在大家還要上體育課的時間你們發現\n386869\t389750\t這個18歲到24歲的女生都不是太愛運動反而到了五十幾歲之後男女愛運動的比率才回復平等你要不要說一下你要怎麼鼓勵我們的女生愛運動特別是有上運動體育課的人大家都不喜歡這是怎麼一回事\n402541\t418201\t委員這部分我們還持續在努力因為說實在在升學的這個過程當中的確我們發現女性的規律運動人口的確比較少而且很有趣的是男女在17歲以下還有60歲以上比例是差不多的你反而女生在18到24歲就開始\n420504\t426967\t不愛了知道我們體育課到底發生了什麼樣的狀況去了解一下好不好署長這是本席在調資的時候發現一個非常有趣的一個部分還有包括你看你輔導地方政府要設計基層運動員的這個培訓扇你看現在男女性別比例也是6比4這很明顯的而且同樣是六都為什麼台南跟高雄培訓選手特別少而且台南才只有600女生只有690人比苗栗的929還要少這是怎樣你看看你這樣的比率加起來\n450077\t460762\t二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正\n466585\t481695\t主長還是一樣啊,運動夏天大家都很喜歡啊。你看,像以高雄來說就有很多人跟我陳情啊。以前學生一個禮拜可以上四次游泳課啊,今年開始變成只有三次啊。問了一下教育局,他們告訴你就說因為體育署今年對這學校游泳課的補助少了七百萬,是怎樣?為什麼要少七百萬?\n486198\t491719\t因為在疫情的期間,的確很多的縣市在經費上面是消化不掉,所以我們把剩餘的經費再挪給比較有這個意願的縣市。沒有啦,那你看學生就要挨挨救啦,本來是四個... 是,沒有,除了是高雄市本身,的確我們也希望縣市政府也能夠配合,能夠一起來...那你還是要給人家經費足夠,你就是經費不夠才讓人家變成四個小時嘛。 這部分我們會來努力啦。\n506403\t507724\t請問你們在整個運動隊的心理智商人員名單出來了沒有?\n530585\t538433\t報告委員目前我們在盤整當中因為這跟選手有沒有達標有連動性沒有你心理諮商師有沒有我們現在有大概預計啦最多應該是十位十位好目前為止啊你國訓教育科據說你們現在有四名心理師要來去往巴黎啦我請問他們有沒有專業證照目前都有運動心理學會他們發的有沒有專業證照\n555727\t564672\t這部分是運動心理學會為主那有臨床心理師的部分大概有幾位是有的拜託那個署長你去搞清楚一下就我的理解來說你們目前來說本來國訓中心要派一名這個所謂的運動心理諮商員他是總負責\n571476\t576259\t二、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員�\n593108\t593369\t瓜瓜委員,我們在\n611725\t626857\t奧運的現場我們的證件的部分的確沒有辦法每一位都拿到但是我們至少會有三位以上會能夠進到場內去場內而且要有專業的這樣的背景好不好不要空有一個名號沒有專業的證照要有證照我需要看到你們這時候在我們上次國訓中心發生的這件事情如果你有證照還告訴我你公開公審我真的要質疑這個大學的專業到底在哪裡這是非常重要的好不好包括他們的背景全部一一條列給我一下\n640947\t641048\t好吧,謝謝。\n","txt":"請次長跟署長\n委員長謝謝喔這個次長沒想到又在諮詢團跟你見面了我記得看看你的這個歷史你是中山大學的教授而且105年7月你是從中山大學教務長離開然後到大考中心嘛那時候鄭英耀在你童年的時候8月才擔任中山的校長所以你們是師之交備那你現在目前為止你是會隨潘部長卸任呢還是我們的新部長有徵詢你繼續擔任政策\n目前沒有這方面的訊息好啦 不管你怎麼樣反正就是做一天的和尚敲一天的鐘啦我覺得次長這個態度或是語調上或許你的態度積極但你的語調現在讓所有的委員覺得現在是有點太和緩了好不好我們兩個加起來除以二可能才是真正應該在這個大院裡面當中所應該有的好 那你知道教改三十年這個過程你一點都不陌生而且你自己本身是台大畢業的\n那很多人都指出台大快要變成我們大安區的這個大學了因為過去靠教育翻身然後現在整個這個階級流動的部分來說的話你會發現掌握越多工具的人他進入頂大的這個成效其實越高嘛那你反而是讓這個30年的這個教改變成M型化的這個社會嘛這個貧窮這個世襲化嘛這一點你不能否認嘛所以資源能分配是非常的重要的所以本席跟其他的委員都提出的修法\n希望能夠讓經濟弱勢的學生能夠免納學費而且我們認為我們可以照顧到97萬人而且我的主張是排付的目前賴清德準總統他的政見當中他是在二月的時候才推出學費的補助受惠的人是47.3萬但是並沒有排付再加上其他的方案請問教育部對於我剛剛所提到的改善M型化有更高明更公平的做法嗎?次長\n跟委員報告目前當然如委員所說這個問題的確是存在特別是我們公立跟私立之間的學費所以我們現在初步是先來拉近這個學費的差距但是針對委員所提出的這個免納學費其實我們是支持這樣的一個精神\n二、審查委員\n做一個可行性的評估然後算出來然後由新部長看看是不是可以來做這樣的一個執行因為我還是強調我是排富而且我可以造就將近一百萬的學生所以請你好好慎重來做一個考慮接下來我要問你也督導你督導高中你也督導這個國體大吧\n市長是吧?國體大部分也歸你管吧?你有聽過行政協助這四個字的方式嗎?你有聽過行政協助嗎?有這是會計項目的一個部分嘛我們來看看嘛112年的時候你的公務預算我說實在的公務預算當中呢4000多萬運動法案、金金私案就是3000多萬去年總計15萬花了7800多萬好了那今年呢短短的三個月時間呢你就有11案\n給國體大的行政協助我先不知道行政協助的定義先說明一下從今年三個月不到時間就有11案總共加起來說實在鄭署長你上任到現在給國體大的行政協助總共花了將近一億兩千多萬為什麼其他學校都沒有辦法拿到行政協助為什麼國體他讀後國體他給這麼多難道就是因為我們鄭署長是屬於國體大的總務長嗎\n為什麼會有這麼多?國體大學培養非常多運動人才,無庸置疑,但是行政協助,次長你知道嗎?每一案是不是要經過你的允許?你知道有這件事嗎?行政協助不一定過我這邊。然後呢?過誰那邊?我只問你,總共加起來,夯不夯加起來,總共一年多的時間,一億兩千萬。行政協助。\n你現在如果不知道的話你現在知道了行政協助給了這麼多更不要說其他還有4.1億其他的補助給國體大我可不可以請問一下署長你要不要解釋一下而且目前來說這個這麼大的行政協助你這麼有行政效率啊\n報告委員,其實我們常跟各大專校院請求他們協助,主要是在政策的部分。我懂,問題是你跟其他的比較台師大,其他比較起來。我幫你把經費全部拿出來給我們看看。我現在只想說你上任之後一年多的時間,我們比這時間。其實在這部分的預算,這邊的經費的部分大部分是延續性的。那在我任內的部分大概是有少子化的部分。\n請問教育部支不支持?\n支持不是只有嘴巴講一講,還有次長還有署長,這麼多事件,我們有這麼多的這個發生了不少的教練性侵、猥褻選手,還有奧運金牌的教練性侵女選手這麼多年,與其事後來做懲處,我覺得事前的防範更重要,這是指正利利啊,不是嗎?請問你們有沒有更積極的做法跟防範的措施?不要事情發生了才做這樣的一個處理,有嗎?有更防範的做法嗎?\n包括委員目前我們在三個會期基本上將這方面須應該有的法規大部分是完備了那現在就是在教育的部分我們在所有的教練以及裁判這些講習的部分我們還是更強力加上包括每年都必須包括哪些身體不可以碰觸哪些部分是最重要的\n好 我們希望這種事情因為這些選手就是為我們國家出去出賽不要再發生奧運金牌選手還有這樣的一個狀況然後呢 我們也請體育署看看我因為我提出性別平等嘛所以我們來看看這個統計這是還蠻軟性的在大家還要上體育課的時間你們發現\n這個18歲到24歲的女生都不是太愛運動反而到了五十幾歲之後男女愛運動的比率才回復平等你要不要說一下你要怎麼鼓勵我們的女生愛運動特別是有上運動體育課的人大家都不喜歡這是怎麼一回事\n委員這部分我們還持續在努力因為說實在在升學的這個過程當中的確我們發現女性的規律運動人口的確比較少而且很有趣的是男女在17歲以下還有60歲以上比例是差不多的你反而女生在18到24歲就開始\n不愛了知道我們體育課到底發生了什麼樣的狀況去了解一下好不好署長這是本席在調資的時候發現一個非常有趣的一個部分還有包括你看你輔導地方政府要設計基層運動員的這個培訓扇你看現在男女性別比例也是6比4這很明顯的而且同樣是六都為什麼台南跟高雄培訓選手特別少而且台南才只有600女生只有690人比苗栗的929還要少這是怎樣你看看你這樣的比率加起來\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正\n主長還是一樣啊,運動夏天大家都很喜歡啊。你看,像以高雄來說就有很多人跟我陳情啊。以前學生一個禮拜可以上四次游泳課啊,今年開始變成只有三次啊。問了一下教育局,他們告訴你就說因為體育署今年對這學校游泳課的補助少了七百萬,是怎樣?為什麼要少七百萬?\n因為在疫情的期間,的確很多的縣市在經費上面是消化不掉,所以我們把剩餘的經費再挪給比較有這個意願的縣市。沒有啦,那你看學生就要挨挨救啦,本來是四個... 是,沒有,除了是高雄市本身,的確我們也希望縣市政府也能夠配合,能夠一起來...那你還是要給人家經費足夠,你就是經費不夠才讓人家變成四個小時嘛。 這部分我們會來努力啦。\n請問你們在整個運動隊的心理智商人員名單出來了沒有?\n報告委員目前我們在盤整當中因為這跟選手有沒有達標有連動性沒有你心理諮商師有沒有我們現在有大概預計啦最多應該是十位十位好目前為止啊你國訓教育科據說你們現在有四名心理師要來去往巴黎啦我請問他們有沒有專業證照目前都有運動心理學會他們發的有沒有專業證照\n這部分是運動心理學會為主那有臨床心理師的部分大概有幾位是有的拜託那個署長你去搞清楚一下就我的理解來說你們目前來說本來國訓中心要派一名這個所謂的運動心理諮商員他是總負責\n二、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員�\n瓜瓜委員,我們在\n奧運的現場我們的證件的部分的確沒有辦法每一位都拿到但是我們至少會有三位以上會能夠進到場內去場內而且要有專業的這樣的背景好不好不要空有一個名號沒有專業的證照要有證照我需要看到你們這時候在我們上次國訓中心發生的這件事情如果你有證照還告訴我你公開公審我真的要質疑這個大學的專業到底在哪裡這是非常重要的好不好包括他們的背景全部一一條列給我一下\n好吧,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.870 --> 00:03.112\n請次長跟署長\n\n00:08.629 --> 00:32.063\n委員長謝謝喔這個次長沒想到又在諮詢團跟你見面了我記得看看你的這個歷史你是中山大學的教授而且105年7月你是從中山大學教務長離開然後到大考中心嘛那時候鄭英耀在你童年的時候8月才擔任中山的校長所以你們是師之交備那你現在目前為止你是會隨潘部長卸任呢還是我們的新部長有徵詢你繼續擔任政策\n\n00:34.386 --> 00:46.331\n目前沒有這方面的訊息好啦不管你怎麼樣反正就是做一天的和尚敲一天的鐘啦我覺得次長這個態度或是語調上或許你的態度積極但你的語調現在讓所有的委員覺得現在是有點太和緩了好不好我們兩個加起來除以二可能才是真正應該在這個大院裡面當中所應該有的好那你知道教改三十年這個過程你一點都不陌生而且你自己本身是台大畢業的\n\n01:00.336 --> 01:11.063\n那很多人都指出台大快要變成我們大安區的這個大學了因為過去靠教育翻身然後現在整個這個階級流動的部分來說的話你會發現掌握越多工具的人他進入頂大的這個成效其實越高嘛那你反而是讓這個30年的這個教改變成M型化的這個社會嘛這個貧窮這個世襲化嘛這一點你不能否認嘛所以資源能分配是非常的重要的所以本席跟其他的委員都提出的修法\n\n01:29.835 --> 01:58.364\n希望能夠讓經濟弱勢的學生能夠免納學費而且我們認為我們可以照顧到97萬人而且我的主張是排付的目前賴清德準總統他的政見當中他是在二月的時候才推出學費的補助受惠的人是47.3萬但是並沒有排付再加上其他的方案請問教育部對於我剛剛所提到的改善M型化有更高明更公平的做法嗎?次長\n\n01:59.913 --> 02:18.031\n跟委員報告目前當然如委員所說這個問題的確是存在特別是我們公立跟私立之間的學費所以我們現在初步是先來拉近這個學費的差距但是針對委員所提出的這個免納學費其實我們是支持這樣的一個精神\n\n02:18.692 --> 02:18.872\n二、審查委員\n\n02:34.605 --> 02:49.503\n做一個可行性的評估然後算出來然後由新部長看看是不是可以來做這樣的一個執行因為我還是強調我是排富而且我可以造就將近一百萬的學生所以請你好好慎重來做一個考慮接下來我要問你也督導你督導高中你也督導這個國體大吧\n\n02:52.916 --> 03:13.820\n市長是吧?國體大部分也歸你管吧?你有聽過行政協助這四個字的方式嗎?你有聽過行政協助嗎?有這是會計項目的一個部分嘛我們來看看嘛112年的時候你的公務預算我說實在的公務預算當中呢4000多萬運動法案、金金私案就是3000多萬去年總計15萬花了7800多萬好了那今年呢短短的三個月時間呢你就有11案\n\n03:22.002 --> 03:34.012\n給國體大的行政協助我先不知道行政協助的定義先說明一下從今年三個月不到時間就有11案總共加起來說實在鄭署長你上任到現在給國體大的行政協助總共花了將近一億兩千多萬為什麼其他學校都沒有辦法拿到行政協助為什麼國體他讀後國體他給這麼多難道就是因為我們鄭署長是屬於國體大的總務長嗎\n\n03:48.277 --> 04:03.801\n為什麼會有這麼多?國體大學培養非常多運動人才,無庸置疑,但是行政協助,次長你知道嗎?每一案是不是要經過你的允許?你知道有這件事嗎?行政協助不一定過我這邊。然後呢?過誰那邊?我只問你,總共加起來,夯不夯加起來,總共一年多的時間,一億兩千萬。行政協助。\n\n04:11.960 --> 04:27.118\n你現在如果不知道的話你現在知道了行政協助給了這麼多更不要說其他還有4.1億其他的補助給國體大我可不可以請問一下署長你要不要解釋一下而且目前來說這個這麼大的行政協助你這麼有行政效率啊\n\n04:27.638 --> 04:40.467\n報告委員,其實我們常跟各大專校院請求他們協助,主要是在政策的部分。我懂,問題是你跟其他的比較台師大,其他比較起來。我幫你把經費全部拿出來給我們看看。我現在只想說你上任之後一年多的時間,我們比這時間。其實在這部分的預算,這邊的經費的部分大部分是延續性的。那在我任內的部分大概是有少子化的部分。\n\n04:55.496 --> 04:55.837\n請問教育部支不支持?\n\n05:21.659 --> 05:48.337\n支持不是只有嘴巴講一講,還有次長還有署長,這麼多事件,我們有這麼多的這個發生了不少的教練性侵、猥褻選手,還有奧運金牌的教練性侵女選手這麼多年,與其事後來做懲處,我覺得事前的防範更重要,這是指正利利啊,不是嗎?請問你們有沒有更積極的做法跟防範的措施?不要事情發生了才做這樣的一個處理,有嗎?有更防範的做法嗎?\n\n05:50.182 --> 06:08.048\n包括委員目前我們在三個會期基本上將這方面須應該有的法規大部分是完備了那現在就是在教育的部分我們在所有的教練以及裁判這些講習的部分我們還是更強力加上包括每年都必須包括哪些身體不可以碰觸哪些部分是最重要的\n\n06:09.448 --> 06:14.314\n好我們希望這種事情因為這些選手就是為我們國家出去出賽不要再發生奧運金牌選手還有這樣的一個狀況然後呢我們也請體育署看看我因為我提出性別平等嘛所以我們來看看這個統計這是還蠻軟性的在大家還要上體育課的時間你們發現\n\n06:26.869 --> 06:29.750\n這個18歲到24歲的女生都不是太愛運動反而到了五十幾歲之後男女愛運動的比率才回復平等你要不要說一下你要怎麼鼓勵我們的女生愛運動特別是有上運動體育課的人大家都不喜歡這是怎麼一回事\n\n06:42.541 --> 06:58.201\n委員這部分我們還持續在努力因為說實在在升學的這個過程當中的確我們發現女性的規律運動人口的確比較少而且很有趣的是男女在17歲以下還有60歲以上比例是差不多的你反而女生在18到24歲就開始\n\n07:00.504 --> 07:06.967\n不愛了知道我們體育課到底發生了什麼樣的狀況去了解一下好不好署長這是本席在調資的時候發現一個非常有趣的一個部分還有包括你看你輔導地方政府要設計基層運動員的這個培訓扇你看現在男女性別比例也是6比4這很明顯的而且同樣是六都為什麼台南跟高雄培訓選手特別少而且台南才只有600女生只有690人比苗栗的929還要少這是怎樣你看看你這樣的比率加起來\n\n07:30.077 --> 07:40.762\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正\n\n07:46.585 --> 08:01.695\n主長還是一樣啊,運動夏天大家都很喜歡啊。你看,像以高雄來說就有很多人跟我陳情啊。以前學生一個禮拜可以上四次游泳課啊,今年開始變成只有三次啊。問了一下教育局,他們告訴你就說因為體育署今年對這學校游泳課的補助少了七百萬,是怎樣?為什麼要少七百萬?\n\n08:06.198 --> 08:11.719\n因為在疫情的期間,的確很多的縣市在經費上面是消化不掉,所以我們把剩餘的經費再挪給比較有這個意願的縣市。沒有啦,那你看學生就要挨挨救啦,本來是四個...是,沒有,除了是高雄市本身,的確我們也希望縣市政府也能夠配合,能夠一起來...那你還是要給人家經費足夠,你就是經費不夠才讓人家變成四個小時嘛。這部分我們會來努力啦。\n\n08:26.403 --> 08:27.724\n請問你們在整個運動隊的心理智商人員名單出來了沒有?\n\n08:50.585 --> 08:58.433\n報告委員目前我們在盤整當中因為這跟選手有沒有達標有連動性沒有你心理諮商師有沒有我們現在有大概預計啦最多應該是十位十位好目前為止啊你國訓教育科據說你們現在有四名心理師要來去往巴黎啦我請問他們有沒有專業證照目前都有運動心理學會他們發的有沒有專業證照\n\n09:15.727 --> 09:24.672\n這部分是運動心理學會為主那有臨床心理師的部分大概有幾位是有的拜託那個署長你去搞清楚一下就我的理解來說你們目前來說本來國訓中心要派一名這個所謂的運動心理諮商員他是總負責\n\n09:31.476 --> 09:36.259\n二、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員�\n\n09:53.108 --> 09:53.369\n瓜瓜委員,我們在\n\n10:11.725 --> 10:26.857\n奧運的現場我們的證件的部分的確沒有辦法每一位都拿到但是我們至少會有三位以上會能夠進到場內去場內而且要有專業的這樣的背景好不好不要空有一個名號沒有專業的證照要有證照我需要看到你們這時候在我們上次國訓中心發生的這件事情如果你有證照還告訴我你公開公審我真的要質疑這個大學的專業到底在哪裡這是非常重要的好不好包括他們的背景全部一一條列給我一下\n\n10:40.947 --> 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我們也請體育署看看我因為我提出性別平等嘛所以我們來看看這個統計這是還蠻軟性的在大家還要上體育課的時間你們發現"},{"start":386.869,"end":389.75,"text":"這個18歲到24歲的女生都不是太愛運動反而到了五十幾歲之後男女愛運動的比率才回復平等你要不要說一下你要怎麼鼓勵我們的女生愛運動特別是有上運動體育課的人大家都不喜歡這是怎麼一回事"},{"start":402.541,"end":418.201,"text":"委員這部分我們還持續在努力因為說實在在升學的這個過程當中的確我們發現女性的規律運動人口的確比較少而且很有趣的是男女在17歲以下還有60歲以上比例是差不多的你反而女生在18到24歲就開始"},{"start":420.504,"end":426.967,"text":"不愛了知道我們體育課到底發生了什麼樣的狀況去了解一下好不好署長這是本席在調資的時候發現一個非常有趣的一個部分還有包括你看你輔導地方政府要設計基層運動員的這個培訓扇你看現在男女性別比例也是6比4這很明顯的而且同樣是六都為什麼台南跟高雄培訓選手特別少而且台南才只有600女生只有690人比苗栗的929還要少這是怎樣你看看你這樣的比率加起來"},{"start":450.077,"end":460.762,"text":"二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正"},{"start":466.585,"end":481.695,"text":"主長還是一樣啊,運動夏天大家都很喜歡啊。你看,像以高雄來說就有很多人跟我陳情啊。以前學生一個禮拜可以上四次游泳課啊,今年開始變成只有三次啊。問了一下教育局,他們告訴你就說因為體育署今年對這學校游泳課的補助少了七百萬,是怎樣?為什麼要少七百萬?"},{"start":486.198,"end":491.719,"text":"因為在疫情的期間,的確很多的縣市在經費上面是消化不掉,所以我們把剩餘的經費再挪給比較有這個意願的縣市。沒有啦,那你看學生就要挨挨救啦,本來是四個... 是,沒有,除了是高雄市本身,的確我們也希望縣市政府也能夠配合,能夠一起來...那你還是要給人家經費足夠,你就是經費不夠才讓人家變成四個小時嘛。 這部分我們會來努力啦。"},{"start":506.403,"end":507.724,"text":"請問你們在整個運動隊的心理智商人員名單出來了沒有?"},{"start":530.585,"end":538.433,"text":"報告委員目前我們在盤整當中因為這跟選手有沒有達標有連動性沒有你心理諮商師有沒有我們現在有大概預計啦最多應該是十位十位好目前為止啊你國訓教育科據說你們現在有四名心理師要來去往巴黎啦我請問他們有沒有專業證照目前都有運動心理學會他們發的有沒有專業證照"},{"start":555.727,"end":564.672,"text":"這部分是運動心理學會為主那有臨床心理師的部分大概有幾位是有的拜託那個署長你去搞清楚一下就我的理解來說你們目前來說本來國訓中心要派一名這個所謂的運動心理諮商員他是總負責"},{"start":571.476,"end":576.259,"text":"二、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員�"},{"start":593.108,"end":593.369,"text":"瓜瓜委員,我們在"},{"start":611.725,"end":626.857,"text":"奧運的現場我們的證件的部分的確沒有辦法每一位都拿到但是我們至少會有三位以上會能夠進到場內去場內而且要有專業的這樣的背景好不好不要空有一個名號沒有專業的證照要有證照我需要看到你們這時候在我們上次國訓中心發生的這件事情如果你有證照還告訴我你公開公審我真的要質疑這個大學的專業到底在哪裡這是非常重要的好不好包括他們的背景全部一一條列給我一下"},{"start":640.947,"end":641.048,"text":"好吧,謝謝。"}]}}}}