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power，我覺得這是非常好的。","另外談到性別，剛剛我會特別問在遴選的時候，到底有沒有什麼樣的標準，我們看到這個標準，都是希望能夠選一些德高望重、崇高聲望等等的，但是通常來說，德高望重就代表年紀上面會偏大，當然德高望重絕對沒有不好，因為他的社會影響力夠，他的財力、實力可能也算雄厚，有助於我們在海外推動活動，尤其是像本席過去在媒體的時候，在「消失的國界」中，有許多臺僑、臺商給予我們媒體海外採訪有非常大的扶助，他們都事業有成，但是現在隨著所謂新創或者是產業發展的不一樣，我們很多年輕的二代、三代，可能他們很早就可以有貢獻的機會，所以有關於青年保障，或者是年輕化的部分，請問有沒有這樣的規劃？"],["徐委員長佳青：跟委員報告，針對僑務委員，我們低於180個人比較清楚的一個統計數字，目前55歲以下的占比不到一成；56歲到65歲這一層是占三分之一；66歲以上的，確實是占將近快六成，所以這個比例的懸殊，也讓我們覺得這是未來應該要努力的目標，就是如何讓比較多還沒有非常年長的人，有機會在促進委員或者顧問的歷練裡面，開始去強化他的這個角色。過去我們有時候起聘這個促進委員時才發現，有人60歲了、70歲了才被聘為促進委員，我們都嚇一跳說，以前為什麼沒有給人家聘任呢？所以近年來我們就會去強化、去注意，這些過去其實很有貢獻的人，可是我們沒有提早給人家一些該有的感謝或者一些角色的扮演。所以這幾年我們一直在盤點，就是逐步讓促進委員的比例可以開始增加一些，然後也年輕化。同樣在下一層的顧問，也會有年輕化的趨勢，這個我們會一步一步來做，現在我們僑務委員的部分，我相信在下一次，今年底還會有再有一批，一定就會再更年輕一些。我知道很多委員都很關心這件事情，對於比較年長、資深的，我們也很尊重他們，我們就會讓他們做諮詢委員，比較是一個諮詢的性質……"],["林委員楚茵：顧問的性質。"],["徐委員長佳青：對，顧問的性質，他就是在那邊做指導性的角色，不用自己親自做第一線的工作，就以這樣我們來做一些分工，比例上、配比上也會比較清楚。跟委員說明一下，我們澳洲的台僑人數不止5萬，可能是接近9萬，僑務委員沒有8人，只有6人而已，但是很……"],["林委員楚茵：這已經是舊資料了。"],["徐委員長佳青：對，舊資料，但是可喜的是，我們紐西蘭跟澳洲加起來，總共是7個僑務委員，去年以前是5個女性，然後2個男性，今年我們比較平衡一點，4個女性、3個男性，有時候在有些場合還被開玩笑說，哇！現在我們澳洲都是女性的天下。總之，現在我們也注意到怎麼樣讓性別參與的機會，在各僑區都能夠比較均衡一點。"],["林委員楚茵：最後，其實本席會問到有關性別或年齡的問題，是認為既然我們有不一樣的職稱，包括促進委員、僑務委員、諮詢委員，其實就應該有所區別，我會比較建議，在促進委員的部分，可以讓年輕人多來參與，才不會變成是有這麼多的職稱，其實只是為了把人塞進去，而是應給他更多的機會，否則對於我們今天要討論的題目，或者是對於國家的認同，或者是對於國家的支持的這個部分事實上它並沒有達到這樣的功效。"],["徐委員長佳青：是，我們現在也讓一些30歲左右的年輕人，開始有機會擔任促進委員，也很大幅度的提升他們對於臺灣、中華民國的認同，他們也更願意去投入跟付出，其實他們自己事業很忙，但是因為有了這個角色的扮演，他們就很願意投入了。"],["林委員楚茵：好，謝謝。"],["徐委員長佳青：謝謝委員。"],["主席：接下來請王定宇召委上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":98,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-35-14","speakers":["馬文君","沈伯洋","羅美玲","黃仁","林楚茵","王定宇","陳冠廷","徐巧芯","麥玉珍","楊瓊瓔","林憶君","洪申翰","邱志偉","陳培瑜","羅智強"],"page_start":51,"meetingDate":["2024-04-18"],"gazette_id":"1133001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1133001_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第14次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請僑務委員會委員長徐佳青報告「如何增進海外僑胞對國家之認同與支持具體做法」，並備質\n詢","agenda_id":"1133001_00002"}},"transcript":{"id":"151373","pyannote":{"name":"ronny","tool":"pyannote","data":{"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151373","tool":"pyannote","id":"151373-pyannote"},"job_id":"mvqtBpkHH97s1WGE","queued_at":"2024-05-31 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00:00:36,445\n林委員早安委員長早安在研究今天的主題之前主席安排了這樣一個如何增進海外僑胞對國家之認同與支持具體之做法其實坦白講我上週看到題目的時候覺得好像回到我以前在參加國語文作文比賽跟演講比賽的題目所以我好好的思考了一下但其實事實上我很肯定主席安排這個題目\n\n3\n00:00:37,426 --> 00:01:00,526\n非常的重要尤其是人在海外的時候我們面對這麼多的僑胞商到底如何讓他們欣賞國家而且這個國家叫做中華民國其實是非常重要的我想從徐委員上任到現在已經都經過了一番努力那麼本席在擔任立法委員之後真的有比較多的機會跟我們的僑胞商來做交流那麼我深刻的在這些\n\n4\n00:01:05,750 --> 00:01:22,719\n橋台商的活動當中我到海外去的時候我感受到的是他們真的很愛我們自己的國家有的時候甚至於啦他們比我們看到一些新聞都還要激動那麼我在報告中看到了您提出的6點包括就是正面的傳播新聞行銷台灣然後善用橋社然後運用台灣的軟實力應用橋台商經絡網絡\n\n5\n00:01:29,363 --> 00:01:50,762\n然後再來是善用留台的這些校友的網絡以及第6點就是鼓勵僑親來台服務我想其實就已經非常的全面了只是說在這些的活動當中其實我現在最常接觸到的尤其在海外的時候就是這個榮譽職的僑務委員或僑務人員那麼\n\n6\n00:01:54,825 --> 00:02:04,300\n他們在第一線在做我們不論是對於台僑或台商的交流請問在聘用他們有沒有什麼樣的一個標準\n\n7\n00:02:05,303 --> 00:02:28,799\n跟委員報告事實上我們的僑務榮譽職人員都是榮譽職他們不但沒有像得到我們國家任何的一分薪資相反的他們還常常都要捐款然後出錢出力用盡心思有時候全家都要投入所以我們老實講心裡是非常非常感謝我們只能給人家一張聘書然後給一張謝卡\n\n8\n00:02:31,961 --> 00:02:50,478\n．含那卻換得他們全心無怨無悔的付出所以我們對於榮譽值的選拔我們有四個level除了這個僑務委員是由我們立法院由法院依據的這個基礎然後由總統正式聘任的這個聘書之外那麼其餘的三項僑務諮詢委員\n\n9\n00:02:54,080 --> 00:03:11,669\n顧問以及促進委員分別會是從比較之前的這種年輕的一輩然後到比較中階成熟的然後到非常得高望重的這種三種level所以我們在選拔上基本上大概有三個方向第一個就是說\n\n10\n00:03:13,630 --> 00:03:20,154\n這個當事人他是長期就是非常積極有投入我們的相關僑界的活動或者是在僑團擔任幹部這第一個第二個就是說他被於每一次的參與度呢都是相對的很高不會說我們叫10次他只來一次那這樣子的話就沒有辦法這個大家有很好的共識那第三個就是說僑界也對他有很高的認同度就是說\n\n11\n00:03:40,225 --> 00:03:42,946\n這個人確實很熱心各種各樣的活動他都願意來幫忙有錢的他就捐款有力量的他就找一堆朋友來有些人的朋友是在主流社會的同學、鄰居等等之類的或者他的同事\n\n12\n00:03:59,431 --> 00:04:05,395\n所以我們基本上會在這三種level裡面來去做聘任有些人他會說因為我是美國的公務員所以我不能接受我們也會尊重他這個是因為我們認為說確實他有某一些公職的角色的時候他就不能接受他國政府的聘任\n\n13\n00:04:20,725 --> 00:04:30,212\n對那如果沒有的時候呢那我們就會非常樂意去聘任他們那他們服務到某一個階段比方說兩屆的促進委員以後我們就認為說他真的是很實質上有具體貢獻我們就會幫他再往上變成是顧問那麼到了顧問級以上呢服務一定年限以後他就會成為有機會被推薦為僑務委員的這個pool的名單裡面然後再由總統去選擇好\n\n14\n00:04:47,563 --> 00:05:02,638\n那麼所以說就如您所說啦這個僑務委員因為在法規上面是有人數的限制那麼目前是90到180人那麼任期是3年那麼但是本席像昨天我們剛好呢有跟這個來自於紐西蘭的國會議員來這個一起來進行交流我們在紐西蘭僑台僑人數大概是\n\n15\n00:05:10,405 --> 00:05:17,030\n一萬五千人但僑務委員只有一位諮詢委員可以有11位僑務顧問21位促進委員是24位但是呢在澳洲的話因為我們剛好是這個我是這個澳洲跟紐西蘭國會聯誼會的成員那麼我們就會發現說如果是澳洲的話五萬多人但僑務委員可以有8人諮詢委員32人那麼僑務顧問56人促進委員80人\n\n16\n00:05:33,482 --> 00:05:47,546\n那麼在這個部分人數是如何來定定那麼有沒有考慮到性別的部分因為其實現在都是只是一個比較呃就是人數上面的一個規定喔但是我們相信包括這個優秀的這個女性今天現場包括我們主席優秀的朝偉我們的這個\n\n17\n00:05:53,127 --> 00:06:07,034\n僑務委員長女性包括我自己本人是女性所以台灣在性別平權上面是全世界都非常有目共睹的那麼在外協助的僑務委員的部分呢有沒有讓女性的womenpower也加進來是跟委員報告確實我們我剛到僑委會的第一年第二年我們都被糾正說我們的僑務委員的比例呢男女失衡\n\n18\n00:06:17,659 --> 00:06:17,819\n林楚茵\n\n19\n00:06:34,252 --> 00:06:34,972\n新的一任的聘任那目前呢\n\n20\n00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:16,295\n有我們已經超過了就是我們到最後總數在計算的時候如果萬一沒有我們就要回頭再去檢視一次避免說所以這個很重要是說我們也必須從基礎開始打起所以現在包括我們的促進委員跟顧問性別的比例就是要越來越性別趨近於一致這樣子\n\n21\n00:07:17,176 --> 00:07:41,736\n本席也並不是說因為我是女性我就認為說一定要給女性什麼樣的機會或保障但是我們都知道剛剛講到的國家的認同講到的社會的參與其實過去的女性在政治面是比較不願意表態的那麼尤其在海外的台僑商我相信很多的女企業家或者是一些女性的職場女性她可能就忙於事業那麼如果可以讓她貢獻womenpower我覺得這個是非常好的\n\n22\n00:07:44,218 --> 00:07:46,900\n那麼另外當然就想到性別因為剛剛我會特別問說我們這個領選的時候到底有沒有什麼樣的標準我們看到這個標準都是希望能夠得高望重、崇高聲望但是通常呢得高望重就代表這個年紀上面就會偏大\n\n23\n00:08:02,011 --> 00:08:05,214\n那當然這個德高望重絕對沒有不好因為他的社會影響力夠他的財力實力可能也就雄厚有助於我們在海外推動活動尤其是像本席過去在媒體的時候啊這個消失的國界許多的這些台僑台商給予我們在媒體的海外採訪非常大的輔助他們都事業有成\n\n24\n00:08:22,990 --> 00:08:27,011\n但是現在因為隨著這個所謂新創啊或者是產業的發展不一樣啊那麼我們的很多年輕的二代三代可能他們也很早就可以有貢獻的機會那麼在這個有關於青年保障或者是說在年輕化的部分有沒有這樣的規劃\n\n25\n00:08:43,033 --> 00:08:46,735\n跟委員報告針對僑務委員我們這低於180個人比較清楚的一個統計數字目前在55歲以下的所佔比不到一成56歲到65歲這一層是佔三分之一66歲以上的確實是佔將近快六成\n\n26\n00:09:08,388 --> 00:09:27,117\n所以這個比例的懸殊呢也讓我們覺得說這是我們未來應該要努力的目標所以如何讓比較多這個還沒有非常是年長的人就可以有機會在促進委員或者顧問的歷練裡面開始去強化他的這個角色然後過去我們有時候起聘這個促進委員有人60歲了70歲了才可以變\n\n27\n00:09:36,761 --> 00:10:03,704\n聘為促進委員是我們都嚇一跳說那以前為什麼沒有更加聘任呢是那所以近年來我們就會強化去注意說這些過去其實很有貢獻的人可是我們沒有更加提早該有的一些這樣子的感謝或者一些角色的扮演所以這幾年我們一直在盤點就是逐步的讓促進委員的比例呢可以開始增加一些然後也年輕化\n\n28\n00:10:04,865 --> 00:10:21,237\n同樣的在顧問下一層就會也有年輕化的趨勢那這個一步一步來現在我們僑務委員的部分我相信在下一次今年底還會再有一批一定就會再更年輕一些我知道很多委員都很關心這件事情那對於比較年長資深的我們也很尊重他們我們就會讓他們做諮詢委員比較是一個諮詢的性質\n\n29\n00:10:27,741 --> 00:10:42,450\n顧問的性質他就是在那邊做指導性的角色他不用自己親自做第一線的這樣子我們做一些分工那比例上平均也會配比比較清楚那跟委員說明一下我們澳洲的台僑人數不只5萬可能是接近9萬\n\n30\n00:10:46,532 --> 00:10:51,154\n僑務委員沒有8人只有6人而已所以這已經是舊資料了但是可喜的是我們在紐西蘭跟澳洲加起來總共是7個僑務委員去年以前我們是5個女性然後2個男性那今年我們是比較平衡一點4個女性3個男性我們就是希望說有時候有些場合我們被開玩笑說哇現在我們澳洲都女性的天下\n\n31\n00:11:12,344 --> 00:11:31,469\n那現在我們也注意到說怎麼樣讓這個性別參與的機會在各僑區都能夠比較均衡一點好最後其實本席會問到這個有關性別或年齡的問題是在於說既然我們有不一樣的職稱那麼不一樣的職稱他其實就是包括促進委員僑務委員資訊委員那麼其實就應該有所區別我會比較建議是在促進委員的部分就可以讓年輕人多來參與那麼才不會說好像變成是有這麼多的\n\n32\n00:11:41,232 --> 00:11:44,613\n職稱其實只是為了去把人塞進去給他更多的機會那麼這對於我們今天要討論的題目或者是說對於國家的認同或者是說對於國家的支持這個部分事實上他沒有達到這樣的功效是我們也讓一些現在30歲左右的年輕人開始有機會擔任這個促進委員也很大的幅度是提升到他們對於台灣中華民國的認同\n\n33\n00:12:05,917 --> 00:12:14,833\n這也確實那他們也更願意去投入跟付出其實他們自己事業很忙但是但是因為有了這個角色的扮演他們就很願意投入了好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n995\t2623\t謝謝主席 主席有請徐委員長請委員長\n10083\t36445\t林委員早安委員長早安在研究今天的主題之前主席安排了這樣一個如何增進海外僑胞對國家之認同與支持具體之做法其實坦白講我上週看到題目的時候覺得好像回到我以前在參加國語文作文比賽跟演講比賽的題目所以我好好的思考了一下但其實事實上我很肯定主席安排這個題目\n37426\t60526\t非常的重要尤其是人在海外的時候我們面對這麼多的僑胞商到底如何讓他們欣賞國家而且這個國家叫做中華民國其實是非常重要的我想從徐委員上任到現在已經都經過了一番努力那麼本席在擔任立法委員之後真的有比較多的機會跟我們的僑胞商來做交流那麼我深刻的在這些\n65750\t82719\t橋台商的活動當中我到海外去的時候我感受到的是他們真的很愛我們自己的國家有的時候甚至於啦他們比我們看到一些新聞都還要激動那麼我在報告中看到了您提出的6點包括就是正面的傳播新聞行銷台灣然後善用橋社然後運用台灣的軟實力應用橋台商經絡網絡\n89363\t110762\t然後再來是善用留台的這些校友的網絡以及第6點就是鼓勵僑親來台服務我想其實就已經非常的全面了只是說在這些的活動當中其實我現在最常接觸到的尤其在海外的時候就是這個榮譽職的僑務委員或僑務人員那麼\n114825\t124300\t他們在第一線在做我們不論是對於台僑或台商的交流請問在聘用他們有沒有什麼樣的一個標準\n125303\t148799\t跟委員報告事實上我們的僑務榮譽職人員都是榮譽職他們不但沒有像得到我們國家任何的一分薪資相反的他們還常常都要捐款然後出錢出力用盡心思有時候全家都要投入所以我們老實講心裡是非常非常感謝我們只能給人家一張聘書然後給一張謝卡\n151961\t170478\t．含那卻換得他們全心無怨無悔的付出所以我們對於榮譽值的選拔我們有四個level除了這個僑務委員是由我們立法院由法院依據的這個基礎然後由總統正式聘任的這個聘書之外那麼其餘的三項僑務諮詢委員\n174080\t191669\t顧問以及促進委員分別會是從比較之前的這種年輕的一輩然後到比較中階成熟的然後到非常得高望重的這種三種level所以我們在選拔上基本上大概有三個方向第一個就是說\n193630\t200154\t這個當事人他是長期就是非常積極有投入我們的相關僑界的活動或者是在僑團擔任幹部這第一個第二個就是說他被於每一次的參與度呢都是相對的很高不會說我們叫10次他只來一次那這樣子的話就沒有辦法這個大家有很好的共識那第三個就是說僑界也對他有很高的認同度就是說\n220225\t222946\t這個人確實很熱心各種各樣的活動他都願意來幫忙有錢的他就捐款有力量的他就找一堆朋友來有些人的朋友是在主流社會的同學、鄰居等等之類的或者他的同事\n239431\t245395\t所以我們基本上會在這三種level裡面來去做聘任有些人他會說因為我是美國的公務員所以我不能接受我們也會尊重他這個是因為我們認為說確實他有某一些公職的角色的時候他就不能接受他國政府的聘任\n260725\t270212\t對那如果沒有的時候呢那我們就會非常樂意去聘任他們那他們服務到某一個階段比方說兩屆的促進委員以後我們就認為說他真的是很實質上有具體貢獻我們就會幫他再往上變成是顧問那麼到了顧問級以上呢服務一定年限以後他就會成為有機會被推薦為僑務委員的這個pool的名單裡面然後再由總統去選擇好\n287563\t302638\t那麼所以說就如您所說啦這個僑務委員因為在法規上面是有人數的限制那麼目前是90到180人那麼任期是3年那麼但是本席像昨天我們剛好呢有跟這個來自於紐西蘭的國會議員來這個一起來進行交流我們在紐西蘭僑台僑人數大概是\n310405\t317030\t一萬五千人但僑務委員只有一位諮詢委員可以有11位僑務顧問21位促進委員是24位但是呢在澳洲的話因為我們剛好是這個我是這個澳洲跟紐西蘭國會聯誼會的成員那麼我們就會發現說如果是澳洲的話五萬多人但僑務委員可以有8人諮詢委員32人那麼僑務顧問56人促進委員80人\n333482\t347546\t那麼在這個部分人數是如何來定定那麼有沒有考慮到性別的部分因為其實現在都是只是一個比較呃就是人數上面的一個規定喔但是我們相信包括這個優秀的這個女性今天現場包括我們主席優秀的朝偉我們的這個\n353127\t367034\t僑務委員長女性包括我自己本人是女性所以台灣在性別平權上面是全世界都非常有目共睹的那麼在外協助的僑務委員的部分呢有沒有讓女性的women power也加進來是跟委員報告確實我們我剛到僑委會的第一年第二年我們都被糾正說我們的僑務委員的比例呢男女失衡\n377659\t377819\t林楚茵\n394252\t394972\t新的一任的聘任那目前呢\n416880\t436295\t有 我們已經超過了就是我們到最後總數在計算的時候如果萬一沒有我們就要回頭再去檢視一次避免說 所以這個很重要是說我們也必須從基礎開始打起所以現在包括我們的促進委員跟顧問性別的比例就是要越來越性別趨近於一致這樣子\n437176\t461736\t本席也並不是說因為我是女性我就認為說一定要給女性什麼樣的機會或保障但是我們都知道剛剛講到的國家的認同講到的社會的參與其實過去的女性在政治面是比較不願意表態的那麼尤其在海外的台僑商我相信很多的女企業家或者是一些女性的職場女性她可能就忙於事業那麼如果可以讓她貢獻women power我覺得這個是非常好的\n464218\t466900\t那麼另外當然就想到性別因為剛剛我會特別問說我們這個領選的時候到底有沒有什麼樣的標準我們看到這個標準都是希望能夠得高望重、崇高聲望但是通常呢得高望重就代表這個年紀上面就會偏大\n482011\t485214\t那當然這個德高望重絕對沒有不好因為他的社會影響力夠他的財力實力可能也就雄厚有助於我們在海外推動活動尤其是像本席過去在媒體的時候啊這個消失的國界許多的這些台僑台商給予我們在媒體的海外採訪非常大的輔助他們都事業有成\n502990\t507011\t但是現在因為隨著這個所謂新創啊或者是產業的發展不一樣啊那麼我們的很多年輕的二代三代可能他們也很早就可以有貢獻的機會那麼在這個有關於青年保障或者是說在年輕化的部分有沒有這樣的規劃\n523033\t526735\t跟委員報告針對僑務委員我們這低於180個人比較清楚的一個統計數字目前在55歲以下的所佔比不到一成56歲到65歲這一層是佔三分之一66歲以上的確實是佔將近快六成\n548388\t567117\t所以這個比例的懸殊呢也讓我們覺得說這是我們未來應該要努力的目標所以如何讓比較多這個還沒有非常是年長的人就可以有機會在促進委員或者顧問的歷練裡面開始去強化他的這個角色然後過去我們有時候起聘這個促進委員有人60歲了70歲了才可以變\n576761\t603704\t聘為促進委員是我們都嚇一跳說那以前為什麼沒有更加聘任呢是那所以近年來我們就會強化去注意說這些過去其實很有貢獻的人可是我們沒有更加提早該有的一些這樣子的感謝或者一些角色的扮演所以這幾年我們一直在盤點就是逐步的讓促進委員的比例呢可以開始增加一些然後也年輕化\n604865\t621237\t同樣的在顧問下一層就會也有年輕化的趨勢那這個一步一步來現在我們僑務委員的部分我相信在下一次今年底還會再有一批一定就會再更年輕一些我知道很多委員都很關心這件事情那對於比較年長資深的我們也很尊重他們我們就會讓他們做諮詢委員比較是一個諮詢的性質\n627741\t642450\t顧問的性質他就是在那邊做指導性的角色他不用自己親自做第一線的這樣子我們做一些分工那比例上平均也會配比比較清楚那跟委員說明一下我們澳洲的台僑人數不只5萬可能是接近9萬\n646532\t651154\t僑務委員沒有8人只有6人而已所以這已經是舊資料了但是可喜的是我們在紐西蘭跟澳洲加起來總共是7個僑務委員去年以前我們是5個女性然後2個男性那今年我們是比較平衡一點4個女性3個男性我們就是希望說有時候有些場合我們被開玩笑說哇現在我們澳洲都女性的天下\n672344\t691469\t那現在我們也注意到說怎麼樣讓這個性別參與的機會在各僑區都能夠比較均衡一點好最後其實本席會問到這個有關性別或年齡的問題是在於說既然我們有不一樣的職稱那麼不一樣的職稱他其實就是包括促進委員僑務委員資訊委員那麼其實就應該有所區別我會比較建議是在促進委員的部分就可以讓年輕人多來參與那麼才不會說好像變成是有這麼多的\n701232\t704613\t職稱其實只是為了去把人塞進去給他更多的機會那麼這對於我們今天要討論的題目或者是說對於國家的認同或者是說對於國家的支持這個部分事實上他沒有達到這樣的功效是我們也讓一些現在30歲左右的年輕人開始有機會擔任這個促進委員也很大的幅度是提升到他們對於台灣中華民國的認同\n725917\t734833\t這也確實那他們也更願意去投入跟付出其實他們自己事業很忙但是但是因為有了這個角色的扮演他們就很願意投入了好謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 主席有請徐委員長請委員長\n林委員早安委員長早安在研究今天的主題之前主席安排了這樣一個如何增進海外僑胞對國家之認同與支持具體之做法其實坦白講我上週看到題目的時候覺得好像回到我以前在參加國語文作文比賽跟演講比賽的題目所以我好好的思考了一下但其實事實上我很肯定主席安排這個題目\n非常的重要尤其是人在海外的時候我們面對這麼多的僑胞商到底如何讓他們欣賞國家而且這個國家叫做中華民國其實是非常重要的我想從徐委員上任到現在已經都經過了一番努力那麼本席在擔任立法委員之後真的有比較多的機會跟我們的僑胞商來做交流那麼我深刻的在這些\n橋台商的活動當中我到海外去的時候我感受到的是他們真的很愛我們自己的國家有的時候甚至於啦他們比我們看到一些新聞都還要激動那麼我在報告中看到了您提出的6點包括就是正面的傳播新聞行銷台灣然後善用橋社然後運用台灣的軟實力應用橋台商經絡網絡\n然後再來是善用留台的這些校友的網絡以及第6點就是鼓勵僑親來台服務我想其實就已經非常的全面了只是說在這些的活動當中其實我現在最常接觸到的尤其在海外的時候就是這個榮譽職的僑務委員或僑務人員那麼\n他們在第一線在做我們不論是對於台僑或台商的交流請問在聘用他們有沒有什麼樣的一個標準\n跟委員報告事實上我們的僑務榮譽職人員都是榮譽職他們不但沒有像得到我們國家任何的一分薪資相反的他們還常常都要捐款然後出錢出力用盡心思有時候全家都要投入所以我們老實講心裡是非常非常感謝我們只能給人家一張聘書然後給一張謝卡\n．含那卻換得他們全心無怨無悔的付出所以我們對於榮譽值的選拔我們有四個level除了這個僑務委員是由我們立法院由法院依據的這個基礎然後由總統正式聘任的這個聘書之外那麼其餘的三項僑務諮詢委員\n顧問以及促進委員分別會是從比較之前的這種年輕的一輩然後到比較中階成熟的然後到非常得高望重的這種三種level所以我們在選拔上基本上大概有三個方向第一個就是說\n這個當事人他是長期就是非常積極有投入我們的相關僑界的活動或者是在僑團擔任幹部這第一個第二個就是說他被於每一次的參與度呢都是相對的很高不會說我們叫10次他只來一次那這樣子的話就沒有辦法這個大家有很好的共識那第三個就是說僑界也對他有很高的認同度就是說\n這個人確實很熱心各種各樣的活動他都願意來幫忙有錢的他就捐款有力量的他就找一堆朋友來有些人的朋友是在主流社會的同學、鄰居等等之類的或者他的同事\n所以我們基本上會在這三種level裡面來去做聘任有些人他會說因為我是美國的公務員所以我不能接受我們也會尊重他這個是因為我們認為說確實他有某一些公職的角色的時候他就不能接受他國政府的聘任\n對那如果沒有的時候呢那我們就會非常樂意去聘任他們那他們服務到某一個階段比方說兩屆的促進委員以後我們就認為說他真的是很實質上有具體貢獻我們就會幫他再往上變成是顧問那麼到了顧問級以上呢服務一定年限以後他就會成為有機會被推薦為僑務委員的這個pool的名單裡面然後再由總統去選擇好\n那麼所以說就如您所說啦這個僑務委員因為在法規上面是有人數的限制那麼目前是90到180人那麼任期是3年那麼但是本席像昨天我們剛好呢有跟這個來自於紐西蘭的國會議員來這個一起來進行交流我們在紐西蘭僑台僑人數大概是\n一萬五千人但僑務委員只有一位諮詢委員可以有11位僑務顧問21位促進委員是24位但是呢在澳洲的話因為我們剛好是這個我是這個澳洲跟紐西蘭國會聯誼會的成員那麼我們就會發現說如果是澳洲的話五萬多人但僑務委員可以有8人諮詢委員32人那麼僑務顧問56人促進委員80人\n那麼在這個部分人數是如何來定定那麼有沒有考慮到性別的部分因為其實現在都是只是一個比較呃就是人數上面的一個規定喔但是我們相信包括這個優秀的這個女性今天現場包括我們主席優秀的朝偉我們的這個\n僑務委員長女性包括我自己本人是女性所以台灣在性別平權上面是全世界都非常有目共睹的那麼在外協助的僑務委員的部分呢有沒有讓女性的women power也加進來是跟委員報告確實我們我剛到僑委會的第一年第二年我們都被糾正說我們的僑務委員的比例呢男女失衡\n林楚茵\n新的一任的聘任那目前呢\n有 我們已經超過了就是我們到最後總數在計算的時候如果萬一沒有我們就要回頭再去檢視一次避免說 所以這個很重要是說我們也必須從基礎開始打起所以現在包括我們的促進委員跟顧問性別的比例就是要越來越性別趨近於一致這樣子\n本席也並不是說因為我是女性我就認為說一定要給女性什麼樣的機會或保障但是我們都知道剛剛講到的國家的認同講到的社會的參與其實過去的女性在政治面是比較不願意表態的那麼尤其在海外的台僑商我相信很多的女企業家或者是一些女性的職場女性她可能就忙於事業那麼如果可以讓她貢獻women power我覺得這個是非常好的\n那麼另外當然就想到性別因為剛剛我會特別問說我們這個領選的時候到底有沒有什麼樣的標準我們看到這個標準都是希望能夠得高望重、崇高聲望但是通常呢得高望重就代表這個年紀上面就會偏大\n那當然這個德高望重絕對沒有不好因為他的社會影響力夠他的財力實力可能也就雄厚有助於我們在海外推動活動尤其是像本席過去在媒體的時候啊這個消失的國界許多的這些台僑台商給予我們在媒體的海外採訪非常大的輔助他們都事業有成\n但是現在因為隨著這個所謂新創啊或者是產業的發展不一樣啊那麼我們的很多年輕的二代三代可能他們也很早就可以有貢獻的機會那麼在這個有關於青年保障或者是說在年輕化的部分有沒有這樣的規劃\n跟委員報告針對僑務委員我們這低於180個人比較清楚的一個統計數字目前在55歲以下的所佔比不到一成56歲到65歲這一層是佔三分之一66歲以上的確實是佔將近快六成\n所以這個比例的懸殊呢也讓我們覺得說這是我們未來應該要努力的目標所以如何讓比較多這個還沒有非常是年長的人就可以有機會在促進委員或者顧問的歷練裡面開始去強化他的這個角色然後過去我們有時候起聘這個促進委員有人60歲了70歲了才可以變\n聘為促進委員是我們都嚇一跳說那以前為什麼沒有更加聘任呢是那所以近年來我們就會強化去注意說這些過去其實很有貢獻的人可是我們沒有更加提早該有的一些這樣子的感謝或者一些角色的扮演所以這幾年我們一直在盤點就是逐步的讓促進委員的比例呢可以開始增加一些然後也年輕化\n同樣的在顧問下一層就會也有年輕化的趨勢那這個一步一步來現在我們僑務委員的部分我相信在下一次今年底還會再有一批一定就會再更年輕一些我知道很多委員都很關心這件事情那對於比較年長資深的我們也很尊重他們我們就會讓他們做諮詢委員比較是一個諮詢的性質\n顧問的性質他就是在那邊做指導性的角色他不用自己親自做第一線的這樣子我們做一些分工那比例上平均也會配比比較清楚那跟委員說明一下我們澳洲的台僑人數不只5萬可能是接近9萬\n僑務委員沒有8人只有6人而已所以這已經是舊資料了但是可喜的是我們在紐西蘭跟澳洲加起來總共是7個僑務委員去年以前我們是5個女性然後2個男性那今年我們是比較平衡一點4個女性3個男性我們就是希望說有時候有些場合我們被開玩笑說哇現在我們澳洲都女性的天下\n那現在我們也注意到說怎麼樣讓這個性別參與的機會在各僑區都能夠比較均衡一點好最後其實本席會問到這個有關性別或年齡的問題是在於說既然我們有不一樣的職稱那麼不一樣的職稱他其實就是包括促進委員僑務委員資訊委員那麼其實就應該有所區別我會比較建議是在促進委員的部分就可以讓年輕人多來參與那麼才不會說好像變成是有這麼多的\n職稱其實只是為了去把人塞進去給他更多的機會那麼這對於我們今天要討論的題目或者是說對於國家的認同或者是說對於國家的支持這個部分事實上他沒有達到這樣的功效是我們也讓一些現在30歲左右的年輕人開始有機會擔任這個促進委員也很大的幅度是提升到他們對於台灣中華民國的認同\n這也確實那他們也更願意去投入跟付出其實他們自己事業很忙但是但是因為有了這個角色的扮演他們就很願意投入了好謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.995 --> 00:02.623\n謝謝主席主席有請徐委員長請委員長\n\n00:10.083 --> 00:36.445\n林委員早安委員長早安在研究今天的主題之前主席安排了這樣一個如何增進海外僑胞對國家之認同與支持具體之做法其實坦白講我上週看到題目的時候覺得好像回到我以前在參加國語文作文比賽跟演講比賽的題目所以我好好的思考了一下但其實事實上我很肯定主席安排這個題目\n\n00:37.426 --> 01:00.526\n非常的重要尤其是人在海外的時候我們面對這麼多的僑胞商到底如何讓他們欣賞國家而且這個國家叫做中華民國其實是非常重要的我想從徐委員上任到現在已經都經過了一番努力那麼本席在擔任立法委員之後真的有比較多的機會跟我們的僑胞商來做交流那麼我深刻的在這些\n\n01:05.750 --> 01:22.719\n橋台商的活動當中我到海外去的時候我感受到的是他們真的很愛我們自己的國家有的時候甚至於啦他們比我們看到一些新聞都還要激動那麼我在報告中看到了您提出的6點包括就是正面的傳播新聞行銷台灣然後善用橋社然後運用台灣的軟實力應用橋台商經絡網絡\n\n01:29.363 --> 01:50.762\n然後再來是善用留台的這些校友的網絡以及第6點就是鼓勵僑親來台服務我想其實就已經非常的全面了只是說在這些的活動當中其實我現在最常接觸到的尤其在海外的時候就是這個榮譽職的僑務委員或僑務人員那麼\n\n01:54.825 --> 02:04.300\n他們在第一線在做我們不論是對於台僑或台商的交流請問在聘用他們有沒有什麼樣的一個標準\n\n02:05.303 --> 02:28.799\n跟委員報告事實上我們的僑務榮譽職人員都是榮譽職他們不但沒有像得到我們國家任何的一分薪資相反的他們還常常都要捐款然後出錢出力用盡心思有時候全家都要投入所以我們老實講心裡是非常非常感謝我們只能給人家一張聘書然後給一張謝卡\n\n02:31.961 --> 02:50.478\n．含那卻換得他們全心無怨無悔的付出所以我們對於榮譽值的選拔我們有四個level除了這個僑務委員是由我們立法院由法院依據的這個基礎然後由總統正式聘任的這個聘書之外那麼其餘的三項僑務諮詢委員\n\n02:54.080 --> 03:11.669\n顧問以及促進委員分別會是從比較之前的這種年輕的一輩然後到比較中階成熟的然後到非常得高望重的這種三種level所以我們在選拔上基本上大概有三個方向第一個就是說\n\n03:13.630 --> 03:20.154\n這個當事人他是長期就是非常積極有投入我們的相關僑界的活動或者是在僑團擔任幹部這第一個第二個就是說他被於每一次的參與度呢都是相對的很高不會說我們叫10次他只來一次那這樣子的話就沒有辦法這個大家有很好的共識那第三個就是說僑界也對他有很高的認同度就是說\n\n03:40.225 --> 03:42.946\n這個人確實很熱心各種各樣的活動他都願意來幫忙有錢的他就捐款有力量的他就找一堆朋友來有些人的朋友是在主流社會的同學、鄰居等等之類的或者他的同事\n\n03:59.431 --> 04:05.395\n所以我們基本上會在這三種level裡面來去做聘任有些人他會說因為我是美國的公務員所以我不能接受我們也會尊重他這個是因為我們認為說確實他有某一些公職的角色的時候他就不能接受他國政府的聘任\n\n04:20.725 --> 04:30.212\n對那如果沒有的時候呢那我們就會非常樂意去聘任他們那他們服務到某一個階段比方說兩屆的促進委員以後我們就認為說他真的是很實質上有具體貢獻我們就會幫他再往上變成是顧問那麼到了顧問級以上呢服務一定年限以後他就會成為有機會被推薦為僑務委員的這個pool的名單裡面然後再由總統去選擇好\n\n04:47.563 --> 05:02.638\n那麼所以說就如您所說啦這個僑務委員因為在法規上面是有人數的限制那麼目前是90到180人那麼任期是3年那麼但是本席像昨天我們剛好呢有跟這個來自於紐西蘭的國會議員來這個一起來進行交流我們在紐西蘭僑台僑人數大概是\n\n05:10.405 --> 05:17.030\n一萬五千人但僑務委員只有一位諮詢委員可以有11位僑務顧問21位促進委員是24位但是呢在澳洲的話因為我們剛好是這個我是這個澳洲跟紐西蘭國會聯誼會的成員那麼我們就會發現說如果是澳洲的話五萬多人但僑務委員可以有8人諮詢委員32人那麼僑務顧問56人促進委員80人\n\n05:33.482 --> 05:47.546\n那麼在這個部分人數是如何來定定那麼有沒有考慮到性別的部分因為其實現在都是只是一個比較呃就是人數上面的一個規定喔但是我們相信包括這個優秀的這個女性今天現場包括我們主席優秀的朝偉我們的這個\n\n05:53.127 --> 06:07.034\n僑務委員長女性包括我自己本人是女性所以台灣在性別平權上面是全世界都非常有目共睹的那麼在外協助的僑務委員的部分呢有沒有讓女性的womenpower也加進來是跟委員報告確實我們我剛到僑委會的第一年第二年我們都被糾正說我們的僑務委員的比例呢男女失衡\n\n06:17.659 --> 06:17.819\n林楚茵\n\n06:34.252 --> 06:34.972\n新的一任的聘任那目前呢\n\n06:56.880 --> 07:16.295\n有我們已經超過了就是我們到最後總數在計算的時候如果萬一沒有我們就要回頭再去檢視一次避免說所以這個很重要是說我們也必須從基礎開始打起所以現在包括我們的促進委員跟顧問性別的比例就是要越來越性別趨近於一致這樣子\n\n07:17.176 --> 07:41.736\n本席也並不是說因為我是女性我就認為說一定要給女性什麼樣的機會或保障但是我們都知道剛剛講到的國家的認同講到的社會的參與其實過去的女性在政治面是比較不願意表態的那麼尤其在海外的台僑商我相信很多的女企業家或者是一些女性的職場女性她可能就忙於事業那麼如果可以讓她貢獻womenpower我覺得這個是非常好的\n\n07:44.218 --> 07:46.900\n那麼另外當然就想到性別因為剛剛我會特別問說我們這個領選的時候到底有沒有什麼樣的標準我們看到這個標準都是希望能夠得高望重、崇高聲望但是通常呢得高望重就代表這個年紀上面就會偏大\n\n08:02.011 --> 08:05.214\n那當然這個德高望重絕對沒有不好因為他的社會影響力夠他的財力實力可能也就雄厚有助於我們在海外推動活動尤其是像本席過去在媒體的時候啊這個消失的國界許多的這些台僑台商給予我們在媒體的海外採訪非常大的輔助他們都事業有成\n\n08:22.990 --> 08:27.011\n但是現在因為隨著這個所謂新創啊或者是產業的發展不一樣啊那麼我們的很多年輕的二代三代可能他們也很早就可以有貢獻的機會那麼在這個有關於青年保障或者是說在年輕化的部分有沒有這樣的規劃\n\n08:43.033 --> 08:46.735\n跟委員報告針對僑務委員我們這低於180個人比較清楚的一個統計數字目前在55歲以下的所佔比不到一成56歲到65歲這一層是佔三分之一66歲以上的確實是佔將近快六成\n\n09:08.388 --> 09:27.117\n所以這個比例的懸殊呢也讓我們覺得說這是我們未來應該要努力的目標所以如何讓比較多這個還沒有非常是年長的人就可以有機會在促進委員或者顧問的歷練裡面開始去強化他的這個角色然後過去我們有時候起聘這個促進委員有人60歲了70歲了才可以變\n\n09:36.761 --> 10:03.704\n聘為促進委員是我們都嚇一跳說那以前為什麼沒有更加聘任呢是那所以近年來我們就會強化去注意說這些過去其實很有貢獻的人可是我們沒有更加提早該有的一些這樣子的感謝或者一些角色的扮演所以這幾年我們一直在盤點就是逐步的讓促進委員的比例呢可以開始增加一些然後也年輕化\n\n10:04.865 --> 10:21.237\n同樣的在顧問下一層就會也有年輕化的趨勢那這個一步一步來現在我們僑務委員的部分我相信在下一次今年底還會再有一批一定就會再更年輕一些我知道很多委員都很關心這件事情那對於比較年長資深的我們也很尊重他們我們就會讓他們做諮詢委員比較是一個諮詢的性質\n\n10:27.741 --> 10:42.450\n顧問的性質他就是在那邊做指導性的角色他不用自己親自做第一線的這樣子我們做一些分工那比例上平均也會配比比較清楚那跟委員說明一下我們澳洲的台僑人數不只5萬可能是接近9萬\n\n10:46.532 --> 10:51.154\n僑務委員沒有8人只有6人而已所以這已經是舊資料了但是可喜的是我們在紐西蘭跟澳洲加起來總共是7個僑務委員去年以前我們是5個女性然後2個男性那今年我們是比較平衡一點4個女性3個男性我們就是希望說有時候有些場合我們被開玩笑說哇現在我們澳洲都女性的天下\n\n11:12.344 --> 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