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00:02:04,285\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具\n\n7\n00:02:07,409 --> 00:02:14,334\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。»:\n\n8\n00:02:36,630 --> 00:03:02,738\n缺失但是不是只有報告上的缺失我們要的是教育部對兒福聯盟實際的一個作為包含他們的董事會要不要改組包含這個兒盟存在的必要性麻煩請一定要提出真正的懲處給社會大眾一個交代給凱凱一個交代一個不到兩歲的孩子在12月24號就已經被虐三個月死亡\n\n9\n00:03:03,838 --> 00:03:18,982\n這件案子到3月的時候11號3月11號才浮上檯面但一直拖到現在兒福聯盟的報告裡面還在跟我提他說他們今年度的預算缺少了9752萬他在2月份的時候他用了9800萬去買了還是沒有貸款喔去台中買了不動產\n\n10\n00:03:29,178 --> 00:03:46,748\n然後跟我說這份報告裡頭直接第二頁就說他們今年缺錢我不知道這樣子兒福聯盟就教育部您是他的主管機關我光念這些您覺得他有要改正他有要修正他有針對凱凱案做出檢討的決心嗎\n\n11\n00:03:49,758 --> 00:03:50,219\n教育部職責?\n\n12\n00:04:09,218 --> 00:04:20,434\n我們是不是可以針對財團法、人法當中去徹底的檢討這個兒福聯盟到現在為止他們的缺失還有包含五年前被虐死亡的配配\n\n13\n00:04:21,274 --> 00:04:39,006\n那這個是一定要做的那這一個如委員所說這個應該是這禮拜五就會來開這個那相關的我們也會請這一個我們負責的這一個終身教育師要確實的來針對這些事項來要求俄府聯盟來\n\n14\n00:04:39,346 --> 00:05:03,045\n包括他們的財務狀況包括他們的管理階層包括他們的內控制度一定要做出懲處這是我們期待一定要看到的我不希望一直在這裡每一次只要教育部來我都要提到這個案子那就表示我們真的都沒有做到這已經是我的第四次對教育部因為凱凱案提出的質詢可以嗎\n\n15\n00:05:06,004 --> 00:05:09,615\n那我們就會依在這個財團法人法有相關的規定來處置。好。\n\n16\n00:05:11,963 --> 00:05:35,564\n因為今天時間的關係我們來看一下剛剛其實有很多我們的委員同事們他們也都提到了現在光是在升學的部分其實有很多過去我們所認為的中產階級他們願意把孩子放到他們所謂的公立小學或公立的中學但現在其實有更多的這樣子的一個\n\n17\n00:05:36,765 --> 00:06:00,132\n中產階級他們是屬意把孩子轉到私校也成就了今年在各個不同的私校他們的升學率其實還有他們的錄取率是真的明顯的偏低也就太多人要報考私校我不知道教育部對於這樣子的一個狀況您的想法是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:03,449 --> 00:06:24,250\n市長跟委員報告我想這裡面也包含到就是可能還是要針對私立的學校他在一些升學上面他可能會的確是具備一些不是只有升學我直接跟您報告一下其實包含整個所有的教育制度的一個改變讓很多的家長是無所適從的\n\n19\n00:06:25,251 --> 00:06:53,370\n所以他們願意把孩子花更多的學費花更多的家庭的預算把孩子送入私校再來就是我們的校安事件頻傳師長其實在公立學校他們其實也非常的辛苦不知道要如何管教與其這樣他們就把孩子放入私校再來第三個就是在公立學校的師資良又不齊這跟他們一招二招三招甚至十幾招找不到\n\n20\n00:06:54,170 --> 00:07:11,089\n具有資格的老師是一樣的一個道理這個部分其實是主要的三大原因再來我們來看一下108課綱我相信108課綱它的利益是良善的我不曉得次長知不知道108課綱最重要的精神是哪三個他基本上有這個\n\n21\n00:07:15,939 --> 00:07:35,384\n主動、自主、互動、共好是他的主要的一個精神。雖然利益良善,但是在規定高中三年要完成18堂的自主學習的一個時數,其實也變成了他們畢業的一個主要的一個條件。但是在執行面上其實學生碰到了很大的困難。\n\n22\n00:07:36,064 --> 00:08:01,819\n相對的來講也造就了家長在面臨小孩面對這個108課綱的時候他們真的也是抱怨連連我相信你們一定都聽到了聲音因為這已經不是一個短期的時間包含很多的受訪者包含學生他們說53%不知道進行的方向他們不曉得這108課綱的自主學習要如何開始學習他連方向都沒有辦法掌握超過一半\n\n23\n00:08:02,819 --> 00:08:08,843\n另外還有百分之將近快40他們覺得時間很零碎效果其實並不好這是學生的部分我們回到老師在面臨108課綱的時候包含素養我就接到很多的老師跟我陳情他說所謂的素養的養成連我們老師自己都不知道什麼叫做素養我要怎麼樣教學生這個是我們統計出來的\n\n24\n00:08:31,056 --> 00:08:39,499\n二、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法\n\n25\n00:08:58,524 --> 00:09:11,697\n但會不會造成很大的問題會不會造成偏鄉的孩子他們資源不足城鄉的教育程度M型化差距的問題市長這是不是都是很大的問題\n\n26\n00:09:13,171 --> 00:09:40,254\n我想這個就應該是說素養跟這個跨領域其實這個方向本身可能還是一個必須要去走的方向但是的確如委員所說在如何去避免城鄉差距跟給素養一個更明確的可以比較可以操作的方向然後同時也是對於師資要跟上來的這件事情的確是我們還有很多要努力的地方你們有沒有一些具體的做法\n\n27\n00:09:41,204 --> 00:09:54,401\n目前我們最主要是如果是在國家的話當然還是要靠我們的或是說比較來由我們譬如說我們輔導團譬如說我們各地的學科中心等等來設法帶上來那當然包含我們的數位學習這邊\n\n28\n00:10:04,367 --> 00:10:23,816\n其實我剛剛所有的圖表不但點出了現在孩子在面臨教育環境的一個變遷他們的困境以外連同老師們都是我們看一下這張圖表的右手邊你可以發現就是我們核定的名額是越來越多但是我們實際的招收的比例是越來越低\n\n29\n00:10:26,138 --> 00:10:43,330\n這個狀況就是我有公立學校但我找不到合格的老師這就像剛剛我說的即使很多的學校三招四招甚至十幾招之後他還是依舊找不到能夠進入學校去教學的人才這個部分麻煩我們真的要再繼續努力可以嗎好請把凱凱案放在心上請盡速的告訴我們我們針對凱凱案對兒福聯盟要做出什麼樣的懲處\n\n30\n00:10:56,136 --> 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»:\n156630\t182738\t缺失但是不是只有報告上的缺失我們要的是教育部對兒福聯盟實際的一個作為包含他們的董事會要不要改組包含這個兒盟存在的必要性麻煩請一定要提出真正的懲處給社會大眾一個交代給凱凱一個交代一個不到兩歲的孩子在12月24號就已經被虐三個月死亡\n183838\t198982\t這件案子到3月的時候11號3月11號才浮上檯面但一直拖到現在兒福聯盟的報告裡面還在跟我提他說他們今年度的預算缺少了9752萬他在2月份的時候他用了9800萬去買了還是沒有貸款喔去台中買了不動產\n209178\t226748\t然後跟我說這份報告裡頭直接第二頁就說他們今年缺錢我不知道這樣子兒福聯盟就教育部您是他的主管機關我光念這些您覺得他有要改正他有要修正他有針對凱凱案做出檢討的決心嗎\n229758\t230219\t教育部職責?\n249218\t260434\t我們是不是可以針對財團法、人法當中去徹底的檢討這個兒福聯盟到現在為止他們的缺失還有包含五年前被虐死亡的配配\n261274\t279006\t那這個是一定要做的那這一個如委員所說這個應該是這禮拜五就會來開這個那相關的我們也會請這一個我們負責的這一個終身教育師要確實的來針對這些事項來要求俄府聯盟來\n279346\t303045\t包括他們的財務狀況包括他們的管理階層包括他們的內控制度一定要做出懲處這是我們期待一定要看到的我不希望一直在這裡每一次只要教育部來我都要提到這個案子那就表示我們真的都沒有做到這已經是我的第四次對教育部因為凱凱案提出的質詢可以嗎\n306004\t309615\t那我們就會依在這個財團法人法有相關的規定來處置。好。\n311963\t335564\t因為今天時間的關係我們來看一下剛剛其實有很多我們的委員同事們他們也都提到了現在光是在升學的部分其實有很多過去我們所認為的中產階級他們願意把孩子放到他們所謂的公立小學或公立的中學但現在其實有更多的這樣子的一個\n336765\t360132\t中產階級他們是屬意把孩子轉到私校也成就了今年在各個不同的私校他們的升學率其實還有他們的錄取率是真的明顯的偏低也就太多人要報考私校我不知道教育部對於這樣子的一個狀況您的想法是什麼\n363449\t384250\t市長跟委員報告我想這裡面也包含到就是可能還是要針對私立的學校他在一些升學上面他可能會的確是具備一些不是只有升學我直接跟您報告一下其實包含整個所有的教育制度的一個改變讓很多的家長是無所適從的\n385251\t413370\t所以他們願意把孩子花更多的學費花更多的家庭的預算把孩子送入私校再來就是我們的校安事件頻傳師長其實在公立學校他們其實也非常的辛苦不知道要如何管教與其這樣他們就把孩子放入私校再來第三個就是在公立學校的師資良又不齊這跟他們一招二招三招甚至十幾招找不到\n414170\t431089\t具有資格的老師是一樣的一個道理這個部分其實是主要的三大原因再來我們來看一下108課綱我相信108課綱它的利益是良善的我不曉得次長知不知道108課綱最重要的精神是哪三個他基本上有這個\n435939\t455384\t主動、自主、互動、共好是他的主要的一個精神。雖然利益良善,但是在規定高中三年要完成18堂的自主學習的一個時數,其實也變成了他們畢業的一個主要的一個條件。但是在執行面上其實學生碰到了很大的困難。\n456064\t481819\t相對的來講也造就了家長在面臨小孩面對這個108課綱的時候他們真的也是抱怨連連我相信你們一定都聽到了聲音因為這已經不是一個短期的時間包含很多的受訪者包含學生他們說53%不知道進行的方向他們不曉得這108課綱的自主學習要如何開始學習他連方向都沒有辦法掌握超過一半\n482819\t488843\t另外還有百分之將近快40他們覺得時間很零碎效果其實並不好這是學生的部分我們回到老師在面臨108課綱的時候包含素養我就接到很多的老師跟我陳情他說所謂的素養的養成連我們老師自己都不知道什麼叫做素養我要怎麼樣教學生這個是我們統計出來的\n511056\t519499\t二、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法\n538524\t551697\t但會不會造成很大的問題會不會造成偏鄉的孩子他們資源不足城鄉的教育程度M型化差距的問題市長這是不是都是很大的問題\n553171\t580254\t我想這個就應該是說素養跟這個跨領域其實這個方向本身可能還是一個必須要去走的方向但是的確如委員所說在如何去避免城鄉差距跟給素養一個更明確的可以比較可以操作的方向然後同時也是對於師資要跟上來的這件事情的確是我們還有很多要努力的地方你們有沒有一些具體的做法\n581204\t594401\t目前我們最主要是如果是在國家的話當然還是要靠我們的或是說比較來由我們譬如說我們輔導團譬如說我們各地的學科中心等等來設法帶上來那當然包含我們的數位學習這邊\n604367\t623816\t其實我剛剛所有的圖表不但點出了現在孩子在面臨教育環境的一個變遷他們的困境以外連同老師們都是我們看一下這張圖表的右手邊你可以發現就是我們核定的名額是越來越多但是我們實際的招收的比例是越來越低\n626138\t643330\t這個狀況就是我有公立學校但我找不到合格的老師這就像剛剛我說的即使很多的學校三招四招甚至十幾招之後他還是依舊找不到能夠進入學校去教學的人才這個部分麻煩我們真的要再繼續努力可以嗎好請把凱凱案放在心上請盡速的告訴我們我們針對凱凱案對兒福聯盟要做出什麼樣的懲處\n656136\t657265\t是。好,謝謝次長。\n","txt":"有請次長。好,次長,謝謝。次長早安。我想首先開始我就先跟次長報告,這應該是本席第四次針對凱凱案對教育部作出的質詢,那還不包含在未還委員會的那一次喔。好,那我想呢,教育部跟本席一樣,我們都背負著很多人的期待。\n很多人期待本席繼續把凱凱案放在心上我也承諾一定要做到但是有更多人期待我們把教育部是主管機關的這樣子的一個重大的一個\n針對兒福聯盟重大的一個缺失來做出懲處那這個部分也是他們對教育部主管機關的一個期待那麼在這裡呢其實我還是不斷的要再次的提醒喔既然今天教育部有來我們也是把握這個機會即便是在520之前時間剩下不多但是我想請教一下次長3月29號你有看過兒福聯盟給的這份報告嗎\n您看過了嗎?二副聯盟給教育部的稽查的這份報告,3月29號。\n這一個因為不是我在督導的,所以這部分我可能比較沒有那麼清楚。好,如果次長您沒看過,等一下可以跟我辦公室要,也沒問題。我們會copy一份給您。是。好,那麼在4月10號的時候,其實我也針對這樣子的一個事件喔,然後像另外一位次長,就林次長。那次長呢,其實跟我在同步的在質詢的這個現場當中,其實我就把他們的一些\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。」案。 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»:\n缺失但是不是只有報告上的缺失我們要的是教育部對兒福聯盟實際的一個作為包含他們的董事會要不要改組包含這個兒盟存在的必要性麻煩請一定要提出真正的懲處給社會大眾一個交代給凱凱一個交代一個不到兩歲的孩子在12月24號就已經被虐三個月死亡\n這件案子到3月的時候11號3月11號才浮上檯面但一直拖到現在兒福聯盟的報告裡面還在跟我提他說他們今年度的預算缺少了9752萬他在2月份的時候他用了9800萬去買了還是沒有貸款喔去台中買了不動產\n然後跟我說這份報告裡頭直接第二頁就說他們今年缺錢我不知道這樣子兒福聯盟就教育部您是他的主管機關我光念這些您覺得他有要改正他有要修正他有針對凱凱案做出檢討的決心嗎\n教育部職責?\n我們是不是可以針對財團法、人法當中去徹底的檢討這個兒福聯盟到現在為止他們的缺失還有包含五年前被虐死亡的配配\n那這個是一定要做的那這一個如委員所說這個應該是這禮拜五就會來開這個那相關的我們也會請這一個我們負責的這一個終身教育師要確實的來針對這些事項來要求俄府聯盟來\n包括他們的財務狀況包括他們的管理階層包括他們的內控制度一定要做出懲處這是我們期待一定要看到的我不希望一直在這裡每一次只要教育部來我都要提到這個案子那就表示我們真的都沒有做到這已經是我的第四次對教育部因為凱凱案提出的質詢可以嗎\n那我們就會依在這個財團法人法有相關的規定來處置。好。\n因為今天時間的關係我們來看一下剛剛其實有很多我們的委員同事們他們也都提到了現在光是在升學的部分其實有很多過去我們所認為的中產階級他們願意把孩子放到他們所謂的公立小學或公立的中學但現在其實有更多的這樣子的一個\n中產階級他們是屬意把孩子轉到私校也成就了今年在各個不同的私校他們的升學率其實還有他們的錄取率是真的明顯的偏低也就太多人要報考私校我不知道教育部對於這樣子的一個狀況您的想法是什麼\n市長跟委員報告我想這裡面也包含到就是可能還是要針對私立的學校他在一些升學上面他可能會的確是具備一些不是只有升學我直接跟您報告一下其實包含整個所有的教育制度的一個改變讓很多的家長是無所適從的\n所以他們願意把孩子花更多的學費花更多的家庭的預算把孩子送入私校再來就是我們的校安事件頻傳師長其實在公立學校他們其實也非常的辛苦不知道要如何管教與其這樣他們就把孩子放入私校再來第三個就是在公立學校的師資良又不齊這跟他們一招二招三招甚至十幾招找不到\n具有資格的老師是一樣的一個道理這個部分其實是主要的三大原因再來我們來看一下108課綱我相信108課綱它的利益是良善的我不曉得次長知不知道108課綱最重要的精神是哪三個他基本上有這個\n主動、自主、互動、共好是他的主要的一個精神。雖然利益良善,但是在規定高中三年要完成18堂的自主學習的一個時數,其實也變成了他們畢業的一個主要的一個條件。但是在執行面上其實學生碰到了很大的困難。\n相對的來講也造就了家長在面臨小孩面對這個108課綱的時候他們真的也是抱怨連連我相信你們一定都聽到了聲音因為這已經不是一個短期的時間包含很多的受訪者包含學生他們說53%不知道進行的方向他們不曉得這108課綱的自主學習要如何開始學習他連方向都沒有辦法掌握超過一半\n另外還有百分之將近快40他們覺得時間很零碎效果其實並不好這是學生的部分我們回到老師在面臨108課綱的時候包含素養我就接到很多的老師跟我陳情他說所謂的素養的養成連我們老師自己都不知道什麼叫做素養我要怎麼樣教學生這個是我們統計出來的\n二、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法\n但會不會造成很大的問題會不會造成偏鄉的孩子他們資源不足城鄉的教育程度M型化差距的問題市長這是不是都是很大的問題\n我想這個就應該是說素養跟這個跨領域其實這個方向本身可能還是一個必須要去走的方向但是的確如委員所說在如何去避免城鄉差距跟給素養一個更明確的可以比較可以操作的方向然後同時也是對於師資要跟上來的這件事情的確是我們還有很多要努力的地方你們有沒有一些具體的做法\n目前我們最主要是如果是在國家的話當然還是要靠我們的或是說比較來由我們譬如說我們輔導團譬如說我們各地的學科中心等等來設法帶上來那當然包含我們的數位學習這邊\n其實我剛剛所有的圖表不但點出了現在孩子在面臨教育環境的一個變遷他們的困境以外連同老師們都是我們看一下這張圖表的右手邊你可以發現就是我們核定的名額是越來越多但是我們實際的招收的比例是越來越低\n這個狀況就是我有公立學校但我找不到合格的老師這就像剛剛我說的即使很多的學校三招四招甚至十幾招之後他還是依舊找不到能夠進入學校去教學的人才這個部分麻煩我們真的要再繼續努力可以嗎好請把凱凱案放在心上請盡速的告訴我們我們針對凱凱案對兒福聯盟要做出什麼樣的懲處\n是。好,謝謝次長。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.141 --> 00:05.462\n有請次長。好,次長,謝謝。次長早安。我想首先開始我就先跟次長報告,這應該是本席第四次針對凱凱案對教育部作出的質詢,那還不包含在未還委員會的那一次喔。好,那我想呢,教育部跟本席一樣,我們都背負著很多人的期待。\n\n00:32.088 --> 00:47.374\n很多人期待本席繼續把凱凱案放在心上我也承諾一定要做到但是有更多人期待我們把教育部是主管機關的這樣子的一個重大的一個\n\n00:48.974 --> 01:10.463\n針對兒福聯盟重大的一個缺失來做出懲處那這個部分也是他們對教育部主管機關的一個期待那麼在這裡呢其實我還是不斷的要再次的提醒喔既然今天教育部有來我們也是把握這個機會即便是在520之前時間剩下不多但是我想請教一下次長3月29號你有看過兒福聯盟給的這份報告嗎\n\n01:16.653 --> 01:21.140\n您看過了嗎?二副聯盟給教育部的稽查的這份報告,3月29號。\n\n01:23.058 --> 01:51.530\n這一個因為不是我在督導的,所以這部分我可能比較沒有那麼清楚。好,如果次長您沒看過,等一下可以跟我辦公室要,也沒問題。我們會copy一份給您。是。好,那麼在4月10號的時候,其實我也針對這樣子的一個事件喔,然後像另外一位次長,就林次長。那次長呢,其實跟我在同步的在質詢的這個現場當中,其實我就把他們的一些\n\n01:52.190 --> 02:04.285\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具\n\n02:07.409 --> 02:14.334\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。」案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。»:\n\n02:36.630 --> 03:02.738\n缺失但是不是只有報告上的缺失我們要的是教育部對兒福聯盟實際的一個作為包含他們的董事會要不要改組包含這個兒盟存在的必要性麻煩請一定要提出真正的懲處給社會大眾一個交代給凱凱一個交代一個不到兩歲的孩子在12月24號就已經被虐三個月死亡\n\n03:03.838 --> 03:18.982\n這件案子到3月的時候11號3月11號才浮上檯面但一直拖到現在兒福聯盟的報告裡面還在跟我提他說他們今年度的預算缺少了9752萬他在2月份的時候他用了9800萬去買了還是沒有貸款喔去台中買了不動產\n\n03:29.178 --> 03:46.748\n然後跟我說這份報告裡頭直接第二頁就說他們今年缺錢我不知道這樣子兒福聯盟就教育部您是他的主管機關我光念這些您覺得他有要改正他有要修正他有針對凱凱案做出檢討的決心嗎\n\n03:49.758 --> 03:50.219\n教育部職責?\n\n04:09.218 --> 04:20.434\n我們是不是可以針對財團法、人法當中去徹底的檢討這個兒福聯盟到現在為止他們的缺失還有包含五年前被虐死亡的配配\n\n04:21.274 --> 04:39.006\n那這個是一定要做的那這一個如委員所說這個應該是這禮拜五就會來開這個那相關的我們也會請這一個我們負責的這一個終身教育師要確實的來針對這些事項來要求俄府聯盟來\n\n04:39.346 --> 05:03.045\n包括他們的財務狀況包括他們的管理階層包括他們的內控制度一定要做出懲處這是我們期待一定要看到的我不希望一直在這裡每一次只要教育部來我都要提到這個案子那就表示我們真的都沒有做到這已經是我的第四次對教育部因為凱凱案提出的質詢可以嗎\n\n05:06.004 --> 05:09.615\n那我們就會依在這個財團法人法有相關的規定來處置。好。\n\n05:11.963 --> 05:35.564\n因為今天時間的關係我們來看一下剛剛其實有很多我們的委員同事們他們也都提到了現在光是在升學的部分其實有很多過去我們所認為的中產階級他們願意把孩子放到他們所謂的公立小學或公立的中學但現在其實有更多的這樣子的一個\n\n05:36.765 --> 06:00.132\n中產階級他們是屬意把孩子轉到私校也成就了今年在各個不同的私校他們的升學率其實還有他們的錄取率是真的明顯的偏低也就太多人要報考私校我不知道教育部對於這樣子的一個狀況您的想法是什麼\n\n06:03.449 --> 06:24.250\n市長跟委員報告我想這裡面也包含到就是可能還是要針對私立的學校他在一些升學上面他可能會的確是具備一些不是只有升學我直接跟您報告一下其實包含整個所有的教育制度的一個改變讓很多的家長是無所適從的\n\n06:25.251 --> 06:53.370\n所以他們願意把孩子花更多的學費花更多的家庭的預算把孩子送入私校再來就是我們的校安事件頻傳師長其實在公立學校他們其實也非常的辛苦不知道要如何管教與其這樣他們就把孩子放入私校再來第三個就是在公立學校的師資良又不齊這跟他們一招二招三招甚至十幾招找不到\n\n06:54.170 --> 07:11.089\n具有資格的老師是一樣的一個道理這個部分其實是主要的三大原因再來我們來看一下108課綱我相信108課綱它的利益是良善的我不曉得次長知不知道108課綱最重要的精神是哪三個他基本上有這個\n\n07:15.939 --> 07:35.384\n主動、自主、互動、共好是他的主要的一個精神。雖然利益良善,但是在規定高中三年要完成18堂的自主學習的一個時數,其實也變成了他們畢業的一個主要的一個條件。但是在執行面上其實學生碰到了很大的困難。\n\n07:36.064 --> 08:01.819\n相對的來講也造就了家長在面臨小孩面對這個108課綱的時候他們真的也是抱怨連連我相信你們一定都聽到了聲音因為這已經不是一個短期的時間包含很多的受訪者包含學生他們說53%不知道進行的方向他們不曉得這108課綱的自主學習要如何開始學習他連方向都沒有辦法掌握超過一半\n\n08:02.819 --> 08:08.843\n另外還有百分之將近快40他們覺得時間很零碎效果其實並不好這是學生的部分我們回到老師在面臨108課綱的時候包含素養我就接到很多的老師跟我陳情他說所謂的素養的養成連我們老師自己都不知道什麼叫做素養我要怎麼樣教學生這個是我們統計出來的\n\n08:31.056 --> 08:39.499\n二、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具:「國民體育法\n\n08:58.524 --> 09:11.697\n但會不會造成很大的問題會不會造成偏鄉的孩子他們資源不足城鄉的教育程度M型化差距的問題市長這是不是都是很大的問題\n\n09:13.171 --> 09:40.254\n我想這個就應該是說素養跟這個跨領域其實這個方向本身可能還是一個必須要去走的方向但是的確如委員所說在如何去避免城鄉差距跟給素養一個更明確的可以比較可以操作的方向然後同時也是對於師資要跟上來的這件事情的確是我們還有很多要努力的地方你們有沒有一些具體的做法\n\n09:41.204 --> 09:54.401\n目前我們最主要是如果是在國家的話當然還是要靠我們的或是說比較來由我們譬如說我們輔導團譬如說我們各地的學科中心等等來設法帶上來那當然包含我們的數位學習這邊\n\n10:04.367 --> 10:23.816\n其實我剛剛所有的圖表不但點出了現在孩子在面臨教育環境的一個變遷他們的困境以外連同老師們都是我們看一下這張圖表的右手邊你可以發現就是我們核定的名額是越來越多但是我們實際的招收的比例是越來越低\n\n10:26.138 --> 10:43.330\n這個狀況就是我有公立學校但我找不到合格的老師這就像剛剛我說的即使很多的學校三招四招甚至十幾招之後他還是依舊找不到能夠進入學校去教學的人才這個部分麻煩我們真的要再繼續努力可以嗎好請把凱凱案放在心上請盡速的告訴我們我們針對凱凱案對兒福聯盟要做出什麼樣的懲處\n\n10:56.136 --> 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