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00:01:18,312\n這個是慣例上我們僑務委員長去參加世界台商總會聯合會不管到約寶到澳洲到哪裡到美國大概都沒有問題但這一次是因為越南本身的政治局勢我們這個聯合會總會\n\n5\n00:01:21,795 --> 00:01:44,371\n這個聯合會在辦的時候剛好他們的副總理跟他們的國會議長人在北京是那他們的內部政治局勢是他國內政我們不干涉但我們大概觀測的大概是他們國家的內部政治有一些發展對所以導致不僅是委員長僑務委員長不能出席我們立法院的副院長江啟臣也不能出席是所以這個壓力是來自於中國\n\n6\n00:01:46,132 --> 00:01:46,152\n韓國瑜議員\n\n7\n00:02:08,860 --> 00:02:34,356\n兩國的事務上這是一個不禮貌的干預民選的立法院副院長為什麼不能去委員長負責僑商負責這些事務的為什麼不能去所以這是一個不友善的動作但動作來源未必我們都怪越南方他這個當然來自於北京把自己跟委員報告其實3月的時候越南官方是非常歡迎我們都把我們的名字提出去他們都說非常歡迎但是原來的設計我跟你講我們開會地點在哪裡\n\n8\n00:02:37,057 --> 00:03:00,882\n河內的什麼東西國家的會議中心國家會議中心那個是當作最重要的因為他們還屬於社會主義共產主義國家能夠進到國家會議中心開會就是他們越南國家認可的重要會議所以他當然原來是熱切歡迎全力配合後來才變化除了出席人員的變化我們也看到會場佈置\n\n9\n00:03:02,882 --> 00:03:27,686\n我們是作為客人我們這些立委去參與的像我們外交委員會是正式議程按照慣例我們大概全部立法院委員會就我們委員會會根據臺商總會聯合會在哪個地方辦那個禮拜的議程看誰輪值招委就會排去那裡這是慣例都這樣處理對去年也是這樣當我們去出席現場我們沒有感受到什麼異樣後來才知道原來桌上都有桌牌\n\n10\n00:03:28,386 --> 00:03:56,282\n對,我們在從外交部的歡迎晚宴每一個委員的那個桌你沒有去你不曉得我們去的時候第一個時間看到三個大主桌都是一片空白你還真的不曉得要坐哪裡因為我說以往不會這樣子本來同仁還拍了那個照片給我看我說排得很好後來才發現那個桌牌因為有都被收走了有國旗收走有那個總統副總統的錄影致詞被改成書面的宣讀宣念所以這個干預的現況大概是這樣子\n\n11\n00:03:57,222 --> 00:04:15,888\n那我現在要問的是我方啦越南尤其在北越現在積極發展IT電子跟所謂的半導體產業他們的期望南越是我們傳統台灣去投資傳統產業最多的地方是車燈啦腳踏車啦等等中越呢雖然在合淨有\n\n12\n00:04:16,668 --> 00:04:17,428\n現在問題就是當他要發展的時候\n\n13\n00:04:41,314 --> 00:05:06,710\n一個一億多的人口越南他需要我們去幫他發展經濟臺商總會本來也希望那邊做一個報告報告幫越南招商你認為越南政府這一次因為中國的干擾採取的作為僑委會有沒有去調查詢問我們臺商不管是美國臺商越南臺商或者臺灣的這個企業家或者在各國因為這一次各大洲都去了對\n\n14\n00:05:07,751 --> 00:05:33,466\n對於越南這樣子的行為有沒有影響他們的投資意願確實有有部分的在包括亞洲其他國家或是在美洲的這個甚至大洋洲的臺商說他們本來抱著很高的這個期待也覺得說我們在越南我們在越南其實是臺商人數是佔第三\n\n15\n00:05:36,307 --> 00:06:02,965\n但是投資額是第一喔很多人以為其實長期以來在越南台灣為什麼有影響力我們要給台商掌聲鼓勵因為我們在越南的投資額都永遠前三名可是呢如果你把台商掛新加坡資本過去富士康就變成新加坡商啊你如果把那一塊抓出來算的話我們在越南創造的就業機會跟投資金額不是數一也數二啦\n\n16\n00:06:03,565 --> 00:06:18,640\n所以我們對他也是實質兩國應該是互利互惠的所以這一次的台商總會聯合會在那邊辦其實對越南他重視是應該的對阿金主可以來阿有人要來投資阿\n\n17\n00:06:19,821 --> 00:06:36,149\n我好好跟你說明一下電力供應的問題希望你來投資什麼項目我們的廣達我們的偉創分別在南定在和他們越南的河南投資設廠一個一期工程就是6000個員工所以\n\n18\n00:06:38,322 --> 00:07:01,492\n我剛才講平等互惠我們不會因為我們去那邊做生意就看人比較小但我們也不能因為我們要去那邊做生意變成我們比較小所以我聽到台商說本來要我聽到的是越南台商講的本來要好好的幫越南招商讓各地台商看到越南的機會商機大家來合作就被他們這樣一弄你這麼容易被北京\n\n19\n00:07:02,612 --> 00:07:11,814\n臺商是你們輔導的重點就你們觀察了臺商因為這次干預事件有沒有影響或者是負面的造成投資意願降低如果有要讓越南政府知道\n\n20\n00:07:30,846 --> 00:07:50,545\n我在部分群組裡面確實有看到他們的討論他們確實會覺得有疑慮那這個疑慮跟他們原始要出去之前的判斷是有落差的所以很多人其實到最後一刻也不知道江啟臣副院長不能到也不知道我不能到當然我們是基於說不要讓這個主辦單位潰倒\n\n21\n00:07:52,246 --> 00:08:08,821\n像我自己我們都不說嘛會前不說是希望總是希望主辦方能夠更順利就好那我們是客人也不用說去之前讓整個活動產生影響但是事後的評估是要那政府其實因為台商會詢問政府意見\n\n22\n00:08:09,522 --> 00:08:09,802\n我現在在國會殿堂我們講話要負責\n\n23\n00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:56,309\n在臺商總會聯合會的開幕式都要等到介紹我們這些立法委員的職銜僑委會副委員長阮昭雄的職銜總統蔡英文副總統賴清德宣讀都要那個完了他們的人才敢進入會場的話\n\n24\n00:08:58,885 --> 00:09:14,270\n投資風險當然有啊怎麼會沒有你連這麼小的事情這在世界各國都已經不是問題了你在那邊形成問題所以我具體建議很多國家的投資創投會做一件事情你們不能只看群組發問卷\n\n25\n00:09:17,226 --> 00:09:42,998\n發問卷就這一次臺商在越南舉辦總會有沒有什麼僑委會需要精進改進的地方有沒有什麼要給我們的臺商總會的意見然後就越南方這一次對我們出席人員場地佈置對於政府的相關的象徵的干預是否會影響您的投資意願是否會列為您的投資風險評估要件臺積電現在\n\n26\n00:09:46,055 --> 00:10:01,786\n有請讀社會科學的其實要評估這個所有的商務投資地緣政治是必要的評估要件不管是各國的歐洲商會各國商會在評估重大投資除了勞動力成本多少什麼成本多少什麼成本多少以外\n\n27\n00:10:02,486 --> 00:10:03,227\n然後呢接下來呢\n\n28\n00:10:29,666 --> 00:10:49,845\n本來想要來看看的現在認為暫時不用考慮把這個量化之後這是一個僑委會很好本來就你該做的事情叫做地緣政治風險評估嘛那風險評估的時候給我國的IT半導體的大廠做參考給我們的台商做參考最重要的是讓越南政府做參考以外\n\n29\n00:10:50,746 --> 00:11:17,373\n以後其他各國希望臺商去那邊發展的他也應該要思考如果你不能在地緣政治上迴避干預保護我們臺灣人的話那對我們的投資意願天下何其大全球化的世界我為什麼一定要往哪裡塞菲律賓也在爭取啊菲律賓的語言方便性也不低啊所以我這一點可不可以要求僑委會盡速做不要過太久過太久就沒感覺了\n\n30\n00:11:17,773 --> 00:11:36,367\n好,委員我們就藉著你的這個建議我們會積極的來跟市總的所有里堅市參與者做一個問卷調查對,你把它收集起來收集起來之後一份報告給我們委員會那我們也以後列為很重要的參考好的你們的業務給你們建議我們希望看到成果好,謝謝委員長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n458\t29275\t好謝謝主席麻煩委員長請委員長王委員早安委員長早我們世界臺商總會聯合會在越南舉辦已經完成了我們都回來了所以我們可以好好來review在出發前我們總是希望臺商的利益國家的利益為重所以我們有些事情在出發前不便討論是就我了解\n30316\t47045\t本來世界台商總會聯合會應該是僑委會的重要的事務所以委員長一定會出席是你這次不去是不能去還是不想去還是想去不能去委員就是最後一個想去不能去\n47894\t49577\t有提出申請嗎?有。被拒絕?有。我事實上,這個今年在3月的時候,我們市總的團隊也非常積極的跟越南的府方溝通。府方也都非常的歡迎。\n63278\t78312\t這個是慣例上我們僑務委員長去參加世界台商總會聯合會不管到約寶到澳洲到哪裡到美國大概都沒有問題但這一次是因為越南本身的政治局勢我們這個聯合會總會\n81795\t104371\t這個聯合會在辦的時候剛好他們的副總理跟他們的國會議長人在北京是那他們的內部政治局勢是他國內政我們不干涉但我們大概觀測的大概是他們國家的內部政治有一些發展對所以導致不僅是委員長僑務委員長不能出席我們立法院的副院長江啟臣也不能出席是所以這個壓力是來自於中國\n106132\t106152\t韓國瑜議員\n128860\t154356\t兩國的事務上這是一個不禮貌的干預民選的立法院副院長為什麼不能去委員長負責僑商負責這些事務的為什麼不能去所以這是一個不友善的動作但動作來源未必我們都怪越南方他這個當然來自於北京把自己跟委員報告其實3月的時候越南官方是非常歡迎我們都把我們的名字提出去他們都說非常歡迎但是原來的設計我跟你講我們開會地點在哪裡\n157057\t180882\t河內的什麼東西國家的會議中心國家會議中心那個是當作最重要的因為他們還屬於社會主義共產主義國家能夠進到國家會議中心開會就是他們越南國家認可的重要會議所以他當然原來是熱切歡迎全力配合後來才變化除了出席人員的變化我們也看到會場佈置\n182882\t207686\t我們是作為客人我們這些立委去參與的像我們外交委員會是正式議程按照慣例我們大概全部立法院委員會就我們委員會會根據臺商總會聯合會在哪個地方辦那個禮拜的議程看誰輪值招委就會排去那裡這是慣例都這樣處理對 去年也是這樣當我們去出席現場我們沒有感受到什麼異樣後來才知道原來桌上都有桌牌\n208386\t236282\t對,我們在從外交部的歡迎晚宴每一個委員的那個桌你沒有去你不曉得我們去的時候第一個時間看到三個大主桌都是一片空白你還真的不曉得要坐哪裡因為我說以往不會這樣子本來同仁還拍了那個照片給我看我說排得很好後來才發現那個桌牌因為有都被收走了有國旗收走有那個總統副總統的錄影致詞被改成書面的宣讀宣念所以這個干預的現況大概是這樣子\n237222\t255888\t那我現在要問的是我方啦越南尤其在北越現在積極發展IT電子跟所謂的半導體產業他們的期望南越是我們傳統台灣去投資傳統產業最多的地方是車燈啦腳踏車啦等等中越呢雖然在合淨有\n256668\t257428\t現在問題就是當他要發展的時候\n281314\t306710\t一個一億多的人口越南他需要我們去幫他發展經濟臺商總會本來也希望那邊做一個報告報告幫越南招商你認為越南政府這一次因為中國的干擾採取的作為僑委會有沒有去調查詢問我們臺商不管是美國臺商越南臺商或者臺灣的這個企業家或者在各國因為這一次各大洲都去了對\n307751\t333466\t對於越南這樣子的行為有沒有影響他們的投資意願確實有有部分的在包括亞洲其他國家或是在美洲的這個甚至大洋洲的臺商說他們本來抱著很高的這個期待也覺得說我們在越南我們在越南其實是臺商人數是佔第三\n336307\t362965\t但是投資額是第一喔很多人以為其實長期以來在越南台灣為什麼有影響力我們要給台商掌聲鼓勵因為我們在越南的投資額都永遠前三名可是呢如果你把台商掛新加坡資本過去富士康就變成新加坡商啊你如果把那一塊抓出來算的話我們在越南創造的就業機會跟投資金額不是數一也數二啦\n363565\t378640\t所以我們對他也是實質兩國應該是互利互惠的所以這一次的台商總會聯合會在那邊辦其實對越南他重視是應該的對阿金主可以來阿 有人要來投資阿\n379821\t396149\t我好好跟你說明一下電力供應的問題希望你來投資什麼項目我們的廣達我們的偉創分別在南定在和他們越南的河南投資設廠一個一期工程就是6000個員工所以\n398322\t421492\t我剛才講平等互惠我們不會因為我們去那邊做生意就看人比較小但我們也不能因為我們要去那邊做生意變成我們比較小所以我聽到台商說本來要我聽到的是越南台商講的本來要好好的幫越南招商讓各地台商看到越南的機會商機大家來合作就被他們這樣一弄你這麼容易被北京\n422612\t431814\t臺商是你們輔導的重點就你們觀察了臺商因為這次干預事件有沒有影響或者是負面的造成投資意願降低如果有要讓越南政府知道\n450846\t470545\t我在部分群組裡面確實有看到他們的討論他們確實會覺得有疑慮那這個疑慮跟他們原始要出去之前的判斷是有落差的所以很多人其實到最後一刻也不知道江啟臣副院長不能到也不知道我不能到當然我們是基於說不要讓這個主辦單位潰倒\n472246\t488821\t像我自己我們都不說嘛會前不說是希望總是希望主辦方能夠更順利就好那我們是客人也不用說去之前讓整個活動產生影響但是事後的評估是要那政府其實因為台商會詢問政府意見\n489522\t489802\t我現在在國會殿堂我們講話要負責\n518700\t536309\t在臺商總會聯合會的開幕式都要等到介紹我們這些立法委員的職銜僑委會副委員長阮昭雄的職銜總統蔡英文副總統賴清德宣讀都要那個完了他們的人才敢進入會場的話\n538885\t554270\t投資風險當然有啊怎麼會沒有你連這麼小的事情這在世界各國都已經不是問題了你在那邊形成問題所以我具體建議很多國家的投資創投會做一件事情你們不能只看群組發問卷\n557226\t582998\t發問卷就這一次臺商在越南舉辦總會有沒有什麼僑委會需要精進改進的地方有沒有什麼要給我們的臺商總會的意見然後就越南方這一次對我們出席人員場地佈置對於政府的相關的象徵的干預是否會影響您的投資意願是否會列為您的投資風險評估要件臺積電現在\n586055\t601786\t有請讀社會科學的其實要評估這個所有的商務投資地緣政治是必要的評估要件不管是各國的歐洲商會各國商會在評估重大投資除了勞動力成本多少什麼成本多少什麼成本多少以外\n602486\t603227\t然後呢接下來呢\n629666\t649845\t本來想要來看看的現在認為暫時不用考慮把這個量化之後這是一個僑委會很好本來就你該做的事情叫做地緣政治風險評估嘛那風險評估的時候給我國的IT半導體的大廠做參考給我們的台商做參考最重要的是讓越南政府做參考以外\n650746\t677373\t以後其他各國希望臺商去那邊發展的他也應該要思考如果你不能在地緣政治上迴避干預保護我們臺灣人的話那對我們的投資意願天下何其大全球化的世界我為什麼一定要往哪裡塞菲律賓也在爭取啊菲律賓的語言方便性也不低啊所以我這一點可不可以要求僑委會盡速做不要過太久過太久就沒感覺了\n677773\t696367\t好,委員我們就藉著你的這個建議我們會積極的來跟市總的所有里堅市參與者做一個問卷調查對,你把它收集起來收集起來之後一份報告給我們委員會那我們也以後列為很重要的參考好的你們的業務給你們建議我們希望看到成果好,謝謝委員長\n","txt":"好謝謝主席麻煩委員長請委員長王委員早安委員長早我們世界臺商總會聯合會在越南舉辦已經完成了我們都回來了所以我們可以好好來review在出發前我們總是希望臺商的利益國家的利益為重所以我們有些事情在出發前不便討論是就我了解\n本來世界台商總會聯合會應該是僑委會的重要的事務所以委員長一定會出席是你這次不去是不能去還是不想去還是想去不能去委員就是最後一個想去不能去\n有提出申請嗎?有。被拒絕?有。我事實上,這個今年在3月的時候,我們市總的團隊也非常積極的跟越南的府方溝通。府方也都非常的歡迎。\n這個是慣例上我們僑務委員長去參加世界台商總會聯合會不管到約寶到澳洲到哪裡到美國大概都沒有問題但這一次是因為越南本身的政治局勢我們這個聯合會總會\n這個聯合會在辦的時候剛好他們的副總理跟他們的國會議長人在北京是那他們的內部政治局勢是他國內政我們不干涉但我們大概觀測的大概是他們國家的內部政治有一些發展對所以導致不僅是委員長僑務委員長不能出席我們立法院的副院長江啟臣也不能出席是所以這個壓力是來自於中國\n韓國瑜議員\n兩國的事務上這是一個不禮貌的干預民選的立法院副院長為什麼不能去委員長負責僑商負責這些事務的為什麼不能去所以這是一個不友善的動作但動作來源未必我們都怪越南方他這個當然來自於北京把自己跟委員報告其實3月的時候越南官方是非常歡迎我們都把我們的名字提出去他們都說非常歡迎但是原來的設計我跟你講我們開會地點在哪裡\n河內的什麼東西國家的會議中心國家會議中心那個是當作最重要的因為他們還屬於社會主義共產主義國家能夠進到國家會議中心開會就是他們越南國家認可的重要會議所以他當然原來是熱切歡迎全力配合後來才變化除了出席人員的變化我們也看到會場佈置\n我們是作為客人我們這些立委去參與的像我們外交委員會是正式議程按照慣例我們大概全部立法院委員會就我們委員會會根據臺商總會聯合會在哪個地方辦那個禮拜的議程看誰輪值招委就會排去那裡這是慣例都這樣處理對 去年也是這樣當我們去出席現場我們沒有感受到什麼異樣後來才知道原來桌上都有桌牌\n對,我們在從外交部的歡迎晚宴每一個委員的那個桌你沒有去你不曉得我們去的時候第一個時間看到三個大主桌都是一片空白你還真的不曉得要坐哪裡因為我說以往不會這樣子本來同仁還拍了那個照片給我看我說排得很好後來才發現那個桌牌因為有都被收走了有國旗收走有那個總統副總統的錄影致詞被改成書面的宣讀宣念所以這個干預的現況大概是這樣子\n那我現在要問的是我方啦越南尤其在北越現在積極發展IT電子跟所謂的半導體產業他們的期望南越是我們傳統台灣去投資傳統產業最多的地方是車燈啦腳踏車啦等等中越呢雖然在合淨有\n現在問題就是當他要發展的時候\n一個一億多的人口越南他需要我們去幫他發展經濟臺商總會本來也希望那邊做一個報告報告幫越南招商你認為越南政府這一次因為中國的干擾採取的作為僑委會有沒有去調查詢問我們臺商不管是美國臺商越南臺商或者臺灣的這個企業家或者在各國因為這一次各大洲都去了對\n對於越南這樣子的行為有沒有影響他們的投資意願確實有有部分的在包括亞洲其他國家或是在美洲的這個甚至大洋洲的臺商說他們本來抱著很高的這個期待也覺得說我們在越南我們在越南其實是臺商人數是佔第三\n但是投資額是第一喔很多人以為其實長期以來在越南台灣為什麼有影響力我們要給台商掌聲鼓勵因為我們在越南的投資額都永遠前三名可是呢如果你把台商掛新加坡資本過去富士康就變成新加坡商啊你如果把那一塊抓出來算的話我們在越南創造的就業機會跟投資金額不是數一也數二啦\n所以我們對他也是實質兩國應該是互利互惠的所以這一次的台商總會聯合會在那邊辦其實對越南他重視是應該的對阿金主可以來阿 有人要來投資阿\n我好好跟你說明一下電力供應的問題希望你來投資什麼項目我們的廣達我們的偉創分別在南定在和他們越南的河南投資設廠一個一期工程就是6000個員工所以\n我剛才講平等互惠我們不會因為我們去那邊做生意就看人比較小但我們也不能因為我們要去那邊做生意變成我們比較小所以我聽到台商說本來要我聽到的是越南台商講的本來要好好的幫越南招商讓各地台商看到越南的機會商機大家來合作就被他們這樣一弄你這麼容易被北京\n臺商是你們輔導的重點就你們觀察了臺商因為這次干預事件有沒有影響或者是負面的造成投資意願降低如果有要讓越南政府知道\n我在部分群組裡面確實有看到他們的討論他們確實會覺得有疑慮那這個疑慮跟他們原始要出去之前的判斷是有落差的所以很多人其實到最後一刻也不知道江啟臣副院長不能到也不知道我不能到當然我們是基於說不要讓這個主辦單位潰倒\n像我自己我們都不說嘛會前不說是希望總是希望主辦方能夠更順利就好那我們是客人也不用說去之前讓整個活動產生影響但是事後的評估是要那政府其實因為台商會詢問政府意見\n我現在在國會殿堂我們講話要負責\n在臺商總會聯合會的開幕式都要等到介紹我們這些立法委員的職銜僑委會副委員長阮昭雄的職銜總統蔡英文副總統賴清德宣讀都要那個完了他們的人才敢進入會場的話\n投資風險當然有啊怎麼會沒有你連這麼小的事情這在世界各國都已經不是問題了你在那邊形成問題所以我具體建議很多國家的投資創投會做一件事情你們不能只看群組發問卷\n發問卷就這一次臺商在越南舉辦總會有沒有什麼僑委會需要精進改進的地方有沒有什麼要給我們的臺商總會的意見然後就越南方這一次對我們出席人員場地佈置對於政府的相關的象徵的干預是否會影響您的投資意願是否會列為您的投資風險評估要件臺積電現在\n有請讀社會科學的其實要評估這個所有的商務投資地緣政治是必要的評估要件不管是各國的歐洲商會各國商會在評估重大投資除了勞動力成本多少什麼成本多少什麼成本多少以外\n然後呢接下來呢\n本來想要來看看的現在認為暫時不用考慮把這個量化之後這是一個僑委會很好本來就你該做的事情叫做地緣政治風險評估嘛那風險評估的時候給我國的IT半導體的大廠做參考給我們的台商做參考最重要的是讓越南政府做參考以外\n以後其他各國希望臺商去那邊發展的他也應該要思考如果你不能在地緣政治上迴避干預保護我們臺灣人的話那對我們的投資意願天下何其大全球化的世界我為什麼一定要往哪裡塞菲律賓也在爭取啊菲律賓的語言方便性也不低啊所以我這一點可不可以要求僑委會盡速做不要過太久過太久就沒感覺了\n好,委員我們就藉著你的這個建議我們會積極的來跟市總的所有里堅市參與者做一個問卷調查對,你把它收集起來收集起來之後一份報告給我們委員會那我們也以後列為很重要的參考好的你們的業務給你們建議我們希望看到成果好,謝謝委員長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.458 --> 00:29.275\n好謝謝主席麻煩委員長請委員長王委員早安委員長早我們世界臺商總會聯合會在越南舉辦已經完成了我們都回來了所以我們可以好好來review在出發前我們總是希望臺商的利益國家的利益為重所以我們有些事情在出發前不便討論是就我了解\n\n00:30.316 --> 00:47.045\n本來世界台商總會聯合會應該是僑委會的重要的事務所以委員長一定會出席是你這次不去是不能去還是不想去還是想去不能去委員就是最後一個想去不能去\n\n00:47.894 --> 00:49.577\n有提出申請嗎?有。被拒絕?有。我事實上,這個今年在3月的時候,我們市總的團隊也非常積極的跟越南的府方溝通。府方也都非常的歡迎。\n\n01:03.278 --> 01:18.312\n這個是慣例上我們僑務委員長去參加世界台商總會聯合會不管到約寶到澳洲到哪裡到美國大概都沒有問題但這一次是因為越南本身的政治局勢我們這個聯合會總會\n\n01:21.795 --> 01:44.371\n這個聯合會在辦的時候剛好他們的副總理跟他們的國會議長人在北京是那他們的內部政治局勢是他國內政我們不干涉但我們大概觀測的大概是他們國家的內部政治有一些發展對所以導致不僅是委員長僑務委員長不能出席我們立法院的副院長江啟臣也不能出席是所以這個壓力是來自於中國\n\n01:46.132 --> 01:46.152\n韓國瑜議員\n\n02:08.860 --> 02:34.356\n兩國的事務上這是一個不禮貌的干預民選的立法院副院長為什麼不能去委員長負責僑商負責這些事務的為什麼不能去所以這是一個不友善的動作但動作來源未必我們都怪越南方他這個當然來自於北京把自己跟委員報告其實3月的時候越南官方是非常歡迎我們都把我們的名字提出去他們都說非常歡迎但是原來的設計我跟你講我們開會地點在哪裡\n\n02:37.057 --> 03:00.882\n河內的什麼東西國家的會議中心國家會議中心那個是當作最重要的因為他們還屬於社會主義共產主義國家能夠進到國家會議中心開會就是他們越南國家認可的重要會議所以他當然原來是熱切歡迎全力配合後來才變化除了出席人員的變化我們也看到會場佈置\n\n03:02.882 --> 03:27.686\n我們是作為客人我們這些立委去參與的像我們外交委員會是正式議程按照慣例我們大概全部立法院委員會就我們委員會會根據臺商總會聯合會在哪個地方辦那個禮拜的議程看誰輪值招委就會排去那裡這是慣例都這樣處理對去年也是這樣當我們去出席現場我們沒有感受到什麼異樣後來才知道原來桌上都有桌牌\n\n03:28.386 --> 03:56.282\n對,我們在從外交部的歡迎晚宴每一個委員的那個桌你沒有去你不曉得我們去的時候第一個時間看到三個大主桌都是一片空白你還真的不曉得要坐哪裡因為我說以往不會這樣子本來同仁還拍了那個照片給我看我說排得很好後來才發現那個桌牌因為有都被收走了有國旗收走有那個總統副總統的錄影致詞被改成書面的宣讀宣念所以這個干預的現況大概是這樣子\n\n03:57.222 --> 04:15.888\n那我現在要問的是我方啦越南尤其在北越現在積極發展IT電子跟所謂的半導體產業他們的期望南越是我們傳統台灣去投資傳統產業最多的地方是車燈啦腳踏車啦等等中越呢雖然在合淨有\n\n04:16.668 --> 04:17.428\n現在問題就是當他要發展的時候\n\n04:41.314 --> 05:06.710\n一個一億多的人口越南他需要我們去幫他發展經濟臺商總會本來也希望那邊做一個報告報告幫越南招商你認為越南政府這一次因為中國的干擾採取的作為僑委會有沒有去調查詢問我們臺商不管是美國臺商越南臺商或者臺灣的這個企業家或者在各國因為這一次各大洲都去了對\n\n05:07.751 --> 05:33.466\n對於越南這樣子的行為有沒有影響他們的投資意願確實有有部分的在包括亞洲其他國家或是在美洲的這個甚至大洋洲的臺商說他們本來抱著很高的這個期待也覺得說我們在越南我們在越南其實是臺商人數是佔第三\n\n05:36.307 --> 06:02.965\n但是投資額是第一喔很多人以為其實長期以來在越南台灣為什麼有影響力我們要給台商掌聲鼓勵因為我們在越南的投資額都永遠前三名可是呢如果你把台商掛新加坡資本過去富士康就變成新加坡商啊你如果把那一塊抓出來算的話我們在越南創造的就業機會跟投資金額不是數一也數二啦\n\n06:03.565 --> 06:18.640\n所以我們對他也是實質兩國應該是互利互惠的所以這一次的台商總會聯合會在那邊辦其實對越南他重視是應該的對阿金主可以來阿有人要來投資阿\n\n06:19.821 --> 06:36.149\n我好好跟你說明一下電力供應的問題希望你來投資什麼項目我們的廣達我們的偉創分別在南定在和他們越南的河南投資設廠一個一期工程就是6000個員工所以\n\n06:38.322 --> 07:01.492\n我剛才講平等互惠我們不會因為我們去那邊做生意就看人比較小但我們也不能因為我們要去那邊做生意變成我們比較小所以我聽到台商說本來要我聽到的是越南台商講的本來要好好的幫越南招商讓各地台商看到越南的機會商機大家來合作就被他們這樣一弄你這麼容易被北京\n\n07:02.612 --> 07:11.814\n臺商是你們輔導的重點就你們觀察了臺商因為這次干預事件有沒有影響或者是負面的造成投資意願降低如果有要讓越南政府知道\n\n07:30.846 --> 07:50.545\n我在部分群組裡面確實有看到他們的討論他們確實會覺得有疑慮那這個疑慮跟他們原始要出去之前的判斷是有落差的所以很多人其實到最後一刻也不知道江啟臣副院長不能到也不知道我不能到當然我們是基於說不要讓這個主辦單位潰倒\n\n07:52.246 --> 08:08.821\n像我自己我們都不說嘛會前不說是希望總是希望主辦方能夠更順利就好那我們是客人也不用說去之前讓整個活動產生影響但是事後的評估是要那政府其實因為台商會詢問政府意見\n\n08:09.522 --> 08:09.802\n我現在在國會殿堂我們講話要負責\n\n08:38.700 --> 08:56.309\n在臺商總會聯合會的開幕式都要等到介紹我們這些立法委員的職銜僑委會副委員長阮昭雄的職銜總統蔡英文副總統賴清德宣讀都要那個完了他們的人才敢進入會場的話\n\n08:58.885 --> 09:14.270\n投資風險當然有啊怎麼會沒有你連這麼小的事情這在世界各國都已經不是問題了你在那邊形成問題所以我具體建議很多國家的投資創投會做一件事情你們不能只看群組發問卷\n\n09:17.226 --> 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