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00:01:28,800\n那我們就是想今天再來問啊,我們再深一層桌問好了。市長我想請問一下,你知道山地原住民和平地原住民嗎?我們今天就是這兩大類在分別嘛對不對?這是我們台灣16這麼多族的原住民族裡面,它在族別之外還會被加上這樣的身份分類法對不對?那你知道這個原住民山原跟平原身份別是怎麼分的嗎?法律依據是什麼?哪一條?\n\n5\n00:01:32,243 --> 00:01:52,343\n這個在當初這個人民身份法裡面他就有在在當初就有光復前跟光復後是你是戶籍在平地就平地原住民你在山地就山地原住民當初是你要不要再講一次在這個2024年的現在再講一次這條規定如何區分原住民是山地原住民和平地原住民的分類標準你不會覺得在2024年的現在聽起來蠻可笑的嗎\n\n6\n00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:18,576\n原住民族身份法第二條本法所稱原住民包括山地原住民及平地原住民其身份之認定除本法另有規定外依依下的規定依依山地原住民臺灣光復前原籍在山地行政區內且戶口調查部登記其本人或直系血親尊姓所屬於原住民\n\n7\n00:02:19,136 --> 00:02:20,959\n平地原住民有案是臺灣光復前,原籍在平地行政區域內,且戶口調查部登記為其本人或職業為原住民,申請戶籍在公所登記為平地原住民有案者。我是哪一族?這是血統上面的。\n\n8\n00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:59,755\n但是我是山人還是平原?原來是依據光復前,是漢人來這個光復台灣之前,然後戶籍登記在漢人設定的這個行政區域內,然後我們就把它分成山人跟平原,然後從此之後他們的投票權和他們的參政權就有了很大的區分,所以像吳立華吳偉元好了,他的爸爸媽媽不同族,欸他有一個不能投他欸,你覺得這樣合理嗎?原住民不是就是原住民嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:07,423 --> 00:03:34,663\n那我們今天在討論的席次的話我們有沒有要更在2024年的現在更深一層的去討論去辯證現在到底還有沒有區分山園跟庭園的必要性呢?你覺得這個也可以討論嗎?我想這一部分是不是原民會來回答會比較沒有我現在就是問內政部阿我現在就問內政部好了那原民會副主委你也對詢好了但是我還是要原住民的答案阿我還是要內政部的答案阿對啊\n\n10\n00:03:36,011 --> 00:03:53,470\n法務委員我的答案很簡單就是這些都是屬於公共議題都可以討論以後你如果說假設這個法令的修改三元跟平衡要去合在一起就統成一個原住民那當然這個涉及的法令的修改會非常多啦對不對對但是事實上這可以討論嘛來委員會跟委員報告\n\n11\n00:03:56,053 --> 00:04:22,537\n其實這個部分是可以討論的,因為三元平原就曾如委員所提到的都是延續日據時代的一個分類。目前因為整個都已經比較現代的社會大家都很頻繁。對,而且我三元現在也不住在山上了,剛剛高金委員就有提到的嘛,我們有這麼多基建一半的人族人朋友根本就已經是移居到都市了。請問我在這裡把它分三元跟平原這個差別的意義到底是什麼?權力都差不多只有在參政權才有三元平原。\n\n12\n00:04:22,657 --> 00:04:24,758\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員鄭天財\n\n13\n00:04:41,845 --> 00:04:58,396\n這個統計在我每一個投票所我們大家都去投票的時候我們都很自然嘛就是去投票投了以後就被開票誰也不知道我投什麼啊在那個票櫃在投票圈圈裡面天地良心誰知道我是投誰可是原住民不一樣啊因為他人少啊我幫大家調查一下我講新北市就好了\n\n14\n00:04:59,156 --> 00:05:11,503\n那個投票所只有5個人以下的平地原住民是佔23.4%。三地原住民那個投票所只有5個人,只有5票的,有佔了47.5。五一環委員更統計過阿,上次的選舉全國3人投票所只有1個人的1400個投票所。\n\n15\n00:05:22,068 --> 00:05:47,008\n平原只有一個人去投票的也是一千四百個投票所這還有命令投票可言嗎?對不對?這不是一件很奇怪的事情嗎?所以這有沒有解方?要不要來改變?把身份別的認同拉寬是不是也是一種解方?這真的非常值得討論所以我們今天在討論這個投票的部分的時候其實我覺得更應該利用這個機會可以往上層次來討論副主委應該認同啦\n\n16\n00:05:51,604 --> 00:06:08,072\n審查委員賴士葆等20人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查\n\n17\n00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:41,708\n行政院有說現在打造要由內政部來處理專法,請問進度到哪裡了?打造專法?報告立委,這個前幾天都密集下開會,現在大概已經收斂差不多了,下個禮拜應該會提出來。好,非常好,那我因為時間的關係,我就跟市長這邊說,我這邊本席也會提出一部我的版本啦。\n\n18\n00:06:42,048 --> 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Kacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員鄭天財\n281845\t298396\t這個統計在我每一個投票所我們大家都去投票的時候我們都很自然嘛就是去投票投了以後就被開票誰也不知道我投什麼啊在那個票櫃在投票圈圈裡面天地良心誰知道我是投誰可是原住民不一樣啊因為他人少啊我幫大家調查一下我講新北市就好了\n299156\t311503\t那個投票所只有5個人以下的平地原住民是佔23.4%。三地原住民那個投票所只有5個人,只有5票的,有佔了47.5。五一環委員更統計過阿,上次的選舉全國3人投票所只有1個人的1400個投票所。\n322068\t347008\t平原只有一個人去投票的也是一千四百個投票所這還有命令投票可言嗎?對不對?這不是一件很奇怪的事情嗎?所以這有沒有解方?要不要來改變?把身份別的認同拉寬是不是也是一種解方?這真的非常值得討論所以我們今天在討論這個投票的部分的時候其實我覺得更應該利用這個機會可以往上層次來討論副主委應該認同啦\n351604\t368072\t審查委員賴士葆等20人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查\n381039\t401708\t行政院有說現在打造要由內政部來處理專法,請問進度到哪裡了?打造專法?報告立委,這個前幾天都密集下開會,現在大概已經收斂差不多了,下個禮拜應該會提出來。好,非常好,那我因為時間的關係,我就跟市長這邊說,我這邊本席也會提出一部我的版本啦。\n402048\t422596\t那我有三個建議啦齁,這個地方的話是要授權先行限制瀏覽或移除的法源。第二個是協助民眾追回款項。第二個是協助追回受騙款項。這才是大家比較想要知道的。第三個請支持民間發展創新科技。這三項重點我希望能夠再跟內政部多討論。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。好,謝謝蘇喬惠委員。\n","txt":"請內政部吳次長\n市長好,市長我們今天在討論這個原住民族的民意代表的選舉喔那其實剛剛不管是武麗華委員或者是高金委員其實都在在提到了山地原住民在都市區、都會區參政權的保障那您剛剛也說確實這個地方過往的立法狀況一直不清楚了但確實現在存有改進的空間,是不是這個意思?是那你認為你覺得可以怎麼調整?\n我想這個有幾個方案因為這個涉及到到底在總額內或者是外加的部分這個是可以去討論的但總之你也認為把都會區再加上不管他是內涵或者是外加再加上有山地原住民名義代表的席次這個是可以討論的方向是這樣可以討論對肯定的方向嘛\n那我們就是想今天再來問啊,我們再深一層桌問好了。市長我想請問一下,你知道山地原住民和平地原住民嗎?我們今天就是這兩大類在分別嘛對不對?這是我們台灣16這麼多族的原住民族裡面,它在族別之外還會被加上這樣的身份分類法對不對?那你知道這個原住民山原跟平原身份別是怎麼分的嗎?法律依據是什麼?哪一條?\n這個在當初這個人民身份法裡面他就有在在當初就有光復前跟光復後是你是戶籍在平地就平地原住民你在山地就山地原住民當初是你要不要再講一次在這個2024年的現在再講一次這條規定如何區分原住民是山地原住民和平地原住民的分類標準你不會覺得在2024年的現在聽起來蠻可笑的嗎\n原住民族身份法第二條本法所稱原住民包括山地原住民及平地原住民其身份之認定除本法另有規定外依依下的規定依依山地原住民臺灣光復前原籍在山地行政區內且戶口調查部登記其本人或直系血親尊姓所屬於原住民\n平地原住民有案是臺灣光復前,原籍在平地行政區域內,且戶口調查部登記為其本人或職業為原住民,申請戶籍在公所登記為平地原住民有案者。我是哪一族?這是血統上面的。\n但是我是山人還是平原?原來是依據光復前,是漢人來這個光復台灣之前,然後戶籍登記在漢人設定的這個行政區域內,然後我們就把它分成山人跟平原,然後從此之後他們的投票權和他們的參政權就有了很大的區分,所以像吳立華吳偉元好了,他的爸爸媽媽不同族,欸他有一個不能投他欸,你覺得這樣合理嗎?原住民不是就是原住民嗎?\n那我們今天在討論的席次的話我們有沒有要更在2024年的現在更深一層的去討論去辯證現在到底還有沒有區分山園跟庭園的必要性呢?你覺得這個也可以討論嗎?我想這一部分是不是原民會來回答會比較沒有我現在就是問內政部阿我現在就問內政部好了那原民會副主委你也對詢好了但是我還是要原住民的答案阿我還是要內政部的答案阿對啊\n法務委員我的答案很簡單就是這些都是屬於公共議題都可以討論以後你如果說假設這個法令的修改三元跟平衡要去合在一起就統成一個原住民那當然這個涉及的法令的修改會非常多啦對不對對但是事實上這可以討論嘛來委員會跟委員報告\n其實這個部分是可以討論的,因為三元平原就曾如委員所提到的都是延續日據時代的一個分類。目前因為整個都已經比較現代的社會大家都很頻繁。對,而且我三元現在也不住在山上了,剛剛高金委員就有提到的嘛,我們有這麼多基建一半的人族人朋友根本就已經是移居到都市了。請問我在這裡把它分三元跟平原這個差別的意義到底是什麼?權力都差不多只有在參政權才有三元平原。\n二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員鄭天財\n這個統計在我每一個投票所我們大家都去投票的時候我們都很自然嘛就是去投票投了以後就被開票誰也不知道我投什麼啊在那個票櫃在投票圈圈裡面天地良心誰知道我是投誰可是原住民不一樣啊因為他人少啊我幫大家調查一下我講新北市就好了\n那個投票所只有5個人以下的平地原住民是佔23.4%。三地原住民那個投票所只有5個人,只有5票的,有佔了47.5。五一環委員更統計過阿,上次的選舉全國3人投票所只有1個人的1400個投票所。\n平原只有一個人去投票的也是一千四百個投票所這還有命令投票可言嗎?對不對?這不是一件很奇怪的事情嗎?所以這有沒有解方?要不要來改變?把身份別的認同拉寬是不是也是一種解方?這真的非常值得討論所以我們今天在討論這個投票的部分的時候其實我覺得更應該利用這個機會可以往上層次來討論副主委應該認同啦\n審查委員賴士葆等20人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第三十三條之一條文修正草案﹚一、審查\n行政院有說現在打造要由內政部來處理專法,請問進度到哪裡了?打造專法?報告立委,這個前幾天都密集下開會,現在大概已經收斂差不多了,下個禮拜應該會提出來。好,非常好,那我因為時間的關係,我就跟市長這邊說,我這邊本席也會提出一部我的版本啦。\n那我有三個建議啦齁,這個地方的話是要授權先行限制瀏覽或移除的法源。第二個是協助民眾追回款項。第二個是協助追回受騙款項。這才是大家比較想要知道的。第三個請支持民間發展創新科技。這三項重點我希望能夠再跟內政部多討論。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。好,謝謝蘇喬惠委員。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.127 --> 00:03.567\n請內政部吳次長\n\n00:16.158 --> 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02:59.755\n但是我是山人還是平原?原來是依據光復前,是漢人來這個光復台灣之前,然後戶籍登記在漢人設定的這個行政區域內,然後我們就把它分成山人跟平原,然後從此之後他們的投票權和他們的參政權就有了很大的區分,所以像吳立華吳偉元好了,他的爸爸媽媽不同族,欸他有一個不能投他欸,你覺得這樣合理嗎?原住民不是就是原住民嗎?\n\n03:07.423 --> 03:34.663\n那我們今天在討論的席次的話我們有沒有要更在2024年的現在更深一層的去討論去辯證現在到底還有沒有區分山園跟庭園的必要性呢?你覺得這個也可以討論嗎?我想這一部分是不是原民會來回答會比較沒有我現在就是問內政部阿我現在就問內政部好了那原民會副主委你也對詢好了但是我還是要原住民的答案阿我還是要內政部的答案阿對啊\n\n03:36.011 --> 03:53.470\n法務委員我的答案很簡單就是這些都是屬於公共議題都可以討論以後你如果說假設這個法令的修改三元跟平衡要去合在一起就統成一個原住民那當然這個涉及的法令的修改會非常多啦對不對對但是事實上這可以討論嘛來委員會跟委員報告\n\n03:56.053 --> 04:22.537\n其實這個部分是可以討論的,因為三元平原就曾如委員所提到的都是延續日據時代的一個分類。目前因為整個都已經比較現代的社會大家都很頻繁。對,而且我三元現在也不住在山上了,剛剛高金委員就有提到的嘛,我們有這麼多基建一半的人族人朋友根本就已經是移居到都市了。請問我在這裡把它分三元跟平原這個差別的意義到底是什麼?權力都差不多只有在參政權才有三元平原。\n\n04:22.657 --> 04:24.758\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等17人擬具:「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案：一、審查委員鄭天財\n\n04:41.845 --> 04:58.396\n這個統計在我每一個投票所我們大家都去投票的時候我們都很自然嘛就是去投票投了以後就被開票誰也不知道我投什麼啊在那個票櫃在投票圈圈裡面天地良心誰知道我是投誰可是原住民不一樣啊因為他人少啊我幫大家調查一下我講新北市就好了\n\n04:59.156 --> 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