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00:01:41,229\n整個的市場整個的供應鏈整個很多的方方面面的條件其實他們的影響力大得多即使我們台灣很多的廠商在越南的投資高達現在他們的官方統計是第6位可是如果透過其他的國家進去投資也是我們的台商\n\n6\n00:01:42,170 --> 00:01:45,534\n其實我們排在五名以內,而且三名內是非常高的,可是因為都有這麼大的投資額,可是還會發生這樣的問題,那個我們可能要審慎的評估跟考量,這個可能不是只有做調查\n\n7\n00:02:02,533 --> 00:02:21,147\n因為記得在上一次台塑在越南發生就是上一次他們有發生過暴動的時候其實很多國家也在考慮越南是不是一個適合投資的地方包括我們很多的台商可是當他們做完評估以後越南還是他們的首選\n\n8\n00:02:22,128 --> 00:02:22,428\n馬文君\n\n9\n00:02:39,517 --> 00:02:48,463\n等方面說了算今天有很多的投資者他們要投資要把錢放進去的時候這都是身家財產他們想的會比我們多那他們可能會傾向於妥協\n\n10\n00:02:53,206 --> 00:03:12,178\n所以我們應該要怎麼樣拿捏不管因為現在新政府要上來了未來整個國際的局勢兩岸的局勢它其實同等重要其實我要強調的是這一點所以如果說我們不可以被欺負可是我們可以有更好的溝通能力就像許委員長\n\n11\n00:03:13,419 --> 00:03:19,242\n其實我看你常常都是笑嘻嘻的所以即使在面對不同意見或者不同政黨或者不同的政治態度的時候我們怎麼樣去溝通這個非常重要從小放大我想這個應該他的做法都是一致的\n\n12\n00:03:32,969 --> 00:03:44,796\n其實這一次我跟召委報告我們跟越方的溝通其實都暢行無阻那越方也很坦誠跟我們解釋了很多內部的狀況他們說的來自於這個\n\n13\n00:03:50,419 --> 00:04:17,933\n中國的大使館壓力是幾乎24小時緊盯著他們的狀態所以我可以清楚感受到他們的壓力他們也派人來跟我們致歉也特別請我跟江啟臣副院長表達歉意就是希望說不要因為這個事件來造成彼此雙方之間未來的一些合作但是我們也提醒他們就是說\n\n14\n00:04:19,574 --> 00:04:24,177\n不是我們官方的問題而已而是民間他們看到這種狀況的時候會有所擔憂所以也期待說在某些穩定度上可以讓我們的投資者更加放心畢竟這個經濟自由度跟穩定度這個都是全球的這個企業非常重視的項目\n\n15\n00:04:43,828 --> 00:05:07,495\n對,我剛剛說的就是說因為我們看結果今天不管人家用什麼樣的手段不管用什麼樣的方式可是結果就是這樣所以今天如果說在越南投資的台商是我們非常重要的資產他也是非常重要的角色如果說對岸今天會使這麼大的力表示其實這裡面有很多很重要的因素在裡面\n\n16\n00:05:08,935 --> 00:05:35,425\n看結果我們現在面臨的就是這樣子所以應該要怎麼樣去做調整或改變或可以讓他變好這是我們應該努力的因為我們沒有辦法去要求其他的國家或者別人應該怎麼做可是我們應該怎麼做我們可以有主導權這個部分我們可以讓我們更好自由國家可以走的出去我們的台商可以有更好的環境這個是政府應該要做的所以我覺得其他理由可能我們\n\n17\n00:05:37,014 --> 00:05:40,278\n我們現在面臨少者化高齡化我們工作人口減少老化所以在台灣的經濟成長人力很欠缺的情況之下\n\n18\n00:05:56,478 --> 00:06:02,264\n我們僑委會其實也配合政府一個很重要的政策就是在中長城施政計畫裡面把僑委會過去產息僑生專班跟海青班為基礎的這個部分把它擴增僑外生的生源\n\n19\n00:06:14,236 --> 00:06:14,276\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n20\n00:06:36,181 --> 00:06:39,503\n那我們要辦理的這個計畫項目主要是希望可以培育生源、擴大招生還有在學輔導以及就業輔導這四個大的工作項目可是我們看到這個計畫裡面它當然其實可以解決國內的缺工又可以增進我們海外僑胞對台灣的認同然後又可以推廣我們很多的華語文這樣子我們一直在\n\n21\n00:07:04,961 --> 00:07:08,923\n一舉多得可是教育是長期的工作我們現在看到我們以僑生專班為例從初期招生來源國的舉薦學生審核分發就學要經過7年其中3年是技高端就是我們所謂的高職還有另外4年的技專端就是我們所謂的科技大\n\n22\n00:07:31,333 --> 00:07:50,026\n特技大學那這個就習跟實習的訓練最後流台的就業人數才是檢驗我們這一筆預算他執行的成果所以政府在編列預算的時候是不是合理的支應我想我們可以來看一下有一些數據資料從過去105年因為是7年嘛所以我們用105學年招募的僑生他經過7年的時間到112年畢業\n\n23\n00:08:01,014 --> 00:08:24,515\n這個例子來看,從招募報名700多個學生到112年6月只剩下240個畢業留在臺灣,其實他大概只有三分之一那在108年到109年入學高中的部分,這個人數還算蠻高的,有2115位\n\n24\n00:08:27,659 --> 00:08:27,859\n：馬文君\n\n25\n00:08:45,310 --> 00:08:48,312\n不曉得為什麼僑委會有沒有掌握說僑生沒有完成這樣的學業就提早離開台灣這樣的原因到底是什麼因為我們在很多的不管講學金還有學雜費的補助各方面其實我們好像考慮的非常周到可是還是有高達30%的學生\n\n26\n00:09:05,625 --> 00:09:07,706\n在還沒有結束之前他就選擇離開台灣那這最後可能會造成的影響會比較多所以我們希望僑委會在這個優化的措施可以具體的去把它再做出詳細的一個規劃好不好因為我們在用的可是\n\n27\n00:09:26,181 --> 00:09:53,458\n在這裡因為時間的關係我們希望僑委會大概去優化這個部分因為他大概只剎三分之一或者有七年的時間可是他30%在不到的時間我們現在每一年都會追蹤學校從高職端開始就是說他從一年級其實最容易離開是一年級到二年級的時候因為他就是適應力的問題然後有些學生他說跟他原來想像有落差\n\n28\n00:09:54,298 --> 00:10:03,306\n那所以我們在前期招生的時候一定要把資訊很清楚而完整的說明到位好沒關係委員長因為時間的關係我有下一個問題那這個部分再請給本席書面的資料就是說他不適應的原因那怎麼樣可以做其他的優化的部分這個再提供書面可是我們現在今天比較特別在乎的是本席辦公室有接貨僑胞的反應\n\n29\n00:10:20,740 --> 00:10:24,783\n他的子女想要來臺灣念書就念我們的產學合作專班可是他跟所在國我們駐外的像使領館還有我們代表處辦事處或其他外交部授權的機構詢問相關的規定或做法的時候得到的答覆都是去找\n\n30\n00:10:41,836 --> 00:10:46,858\n僑委會合併的保健單位來洽辦本席想要請教委員長僑生不可以自己去報名他產核專班嗎他來報的時候呢不是不可以那也是會有我們的僑務人員去做面試也就是說我們一定會有一個面試的過程那這個保健單位的\n\n31\n00:11:02,743 --> 00:11:05,244\n因為我們接到的陳情他是不可以他希望我們推薦希望他去找我們推薦的保健單位接下來我要請教的因為時間齁的關係我先簡單的把我這個問題先講完就是說因為\n\n32\n00:11:20,089 --> 00:11:23,910\n在我們僑務委員會領選僑生回國就學保健單位要點第二點僑生回國就學的時候是以向我駐外使領館代表處辦事處或其他外交部授權的機構我們以下簡稱外館處然後申請為原則就是以上面這些地點為原則或這些單位\n\n33\n00:11:43,974 --> 00:11:57,762\n其他的我們的保健單位其實它是為府的可是我們現在把它顛倒過來變成除了這個保健單位保健的以外其他的都不行現在有這樣的問題是不是這樣委員長我想請你再去做詳細的了解跟調查因為我們看這個資料我們保健單位怎麼遴選出來的\n\n34\n00:12:07,907 --> 00:12:34,907\n我們這裡總共大概有8個國家東南亞國家、越南、馬來西亞、印尼、緬甸、泰國、菲律賓、柬埔寨還有寮國那像保健單位我們看到這個學生人數一直都居高不下的第一名是越南他非常高在112學年度就1200多人那其實最多的是印尼他有1600多人\n\n35\n00:12:37,748 --> 00:13:05,014\n這兩個國家都是學生來台人數最多的可是越南居然只有一個保健單位就這個單位它負責所有一千多人它不只一千多人因為它從107年度也是一千多一千多還有好幾百的這樣加起來它的人數總共六千多人就只有一個保健單位那馬來西亞它的人口數它的面積都非常大\n\n36\n00:13:05,714 --> 00:13:06,775\n委員長這是非常不合乎比例的一個問題\n\n37\n00:13:23,814 --> 00:13:29,599\n那到底為什麼這裡面是不是有一些不法我現在在這裡不希望用這樣子的態度先去設定可是它是不是有我希望委員長你們可以調查清楚如果應該讓它更公平更透明讓我們的政策可還尤其我們做的是教育如果這個部分是一個核心的原則我們應該怎麼樣讓利益不要在這裡把持\n\n38\n00:13:49,938 --> 00:13:50,499\n馬文君委員發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n370\t1592\t馬文君委員長馬文君委員長\n9210\t37890\t馬昭薇好委員長好我延續剛剛王定宇委員他的這個議題因為這一次我們都有隨團去參加那這一次臺商總會聯合會舉辦發生的這些差距說差距他可能也是政治干擾的問題不管過去或現在或未來都會面臨到的那在這裡我也\n39532\t55126\t會呼籲因為北京當局其實做這樣子如果是由他們主動去干預做這麼大的尤其是對於這樣的民間團體的一個全球的會議去做這樣的干擾我覺得是小鼻子小眼睛\n56187\t69340\t可是我們在這裡也看到就像剛剛講的越南方面其實他們藉甚恐懼也許他們只是一個小的動作可是他們做很大的反應這個才是我們應該要警惕的可是我們也要看到國際的現實面今天為什麼會這樣子\n77788\t101229\t整個的市場整個的供應鏈整個很多的方方面面的條件其實他們的影響力大得多即使我們台灣很多的廠商在越南的投資高達現在他們的官方統計是第6位可是如果透過其他的國家進去投資也是我們的台商\n102170\t105534\t其實我們排在五名以內,而且三名內是非常高的,可是因為都有這麼大的投資額,可是還會發生這樣的問題,那個我們可能要審慎的評估跟考量,這個可能不是只有做調查\n122533\t141147\t因為記得在上一次台塑在越南發生就是上一次他們有發生過暴動的時候其實很多國家也在考慮越南是不是一個適合投資的地方包括我們很多的台商可是當他們做完評估以後越南還是他們的首選\n142128\t142428\t馬文君\n159517\t168463\t等方面說了算今天有很多的投資者他們要投資要把錢放進去的時候這都是身家財產他們想的會比我們多那他們可能會傾向於妥協\n173206\t192178\t所以我們應該要怎麼樣拿捏不管因為現在新政府要上來了未來整個國際的局勢兩岸的局勢它其實同等重要其實我要強調的是這一點所以如果說我們不可以被欺負可是我們可以有更好的溝通能力就像許委員長\n193419\t199242\t其實我看你常常都是笑嘻嘻的所以即使在面對不同意見或者不同政黨或者不同的政治態度的時候我們怎麼樣去溝通這個非常重要從小放大我想這個應該他的做法都是一致的\n212969\t224796\t其實這一次我跟召委報告我們跟越方的溝通其實都暢行無阻那越方也很坦誠跟我們解釋了很多內部的狀況他們說的來自於這個\n230419\t257933\t中國的大使館壓力是幾乎24小時緊盯著他們的狀態所以我可以清楚感受到他們的壓力他們也派人來跟我們致歉也特別請我跟江啟臣副院長表達歉意就是希望說不要因為這個事件來造成彼此雙方之間未來的一些合作但是我們也提醒他們就是說\n259574\t264177\t不是我們官方的問題而已而是民間他們看到這種狀況的時候會有所擔憂所以也期待說在某些穩定度上可以讓我們的投資者更加放心畢竟這個經濟自由度跟穩定度這個都是全球的這個企業非常重視的項目\n283828\t307495\t對,我剛剛說的就是說因為我們看結果今天不管人家用什麼樣的手段不管用什麼樣的方式可是結果就是這樣所以今天如果說在越南投資的台商是我們非常重要的資產他也是非常重要的角色如果說對岸今天會使這麼大的力表示其實這裡面有很多很重要的因素在裡面\n308935\t335425\t看結果我們現在面臨的就是這樣子所以應該要怎麼樣去做調整或改變或可以讓他變好這是我們應該努力的因為我們沒有辦法去要求其他的國家或者別人應該怎麼做可是我們應該怎麼做我們可以有主導權這個部分我們可以讓我們更好自由國家可以走的出去我們的台商可以有更好的環境這個是政府應該要做的所以我覺得其他理由可能我們\n337014\t340278\t我們現在面臨少者化高齡化我們工作人口減少老化所以在台灣的經濟成長人力很欠缺的情況之下\n356478\t362264\t我們僑委會其實也配合政府一個很重要的政策就是在中長城施政計畫裡面把僑委會過去產息僑生專班跟海青班為基礎的這個部分把它擴增僑外生的生源\n374236\t374276\t﹚馬文君﹚\n396181\t399503\t那我們要辦理的這個計畫項目主要是希望可以培育生源、擴大招生還有在學輔導以及就業輔導這四個大的工作項目可是我們看到這個計畫裡面它當然其實可以解決國內的缺工又可以增進我們海外僑胞對台灣的認同然後又可以推廣我們很多的華語文這樣子我們一直在\n424961\t428923\t一舉多得可是教育是長期的工作我們現在看到我們以僑生專班為例從初期招生來源國的舉薦學生審核分發就學要經過7年其中3年是技高端就是我們所謂的高職還有另外4年的技專端就是我們所謂的科技大\n451333\t470026\t特技大學那這個就習跟實習的訓練最後流台的就業人數才是檢驗我們這一筆預算他執行的成果所以政府在編列預算的時候是不是合理的支應我想我們可以來看一下有一些數據資料從過去105年因為是7年嘛所以我們用105學年招募的僑生他經過7年的時間到112年畢業\n481014\t504515\t這個例子來看,從招募報名700多個學生到112年6月只剩下240個畢業留在臺灣,其實他大概只有三分之一那在108年到109年入學高中的部分,這個人數還算蠻高的,有2115位\n507659\t507859\t：馬文君\n525310\t528312\t不曉得為什麼僑委會有沒有掌握說僑生沒有完成這樣的學業就提早離開台灣這樣的原因到底是什麼因為我們在很多的不管講學金還有學雜費的補助各方面其實我們好像考慮的非常周到可是還是有高達30%的學生\n545625\t547706\t在還沒有結束之前他就選擇離開台灣那這最後可能會造成的影響會比較多所以我們希望僑委會在這個優化的措施可以具體的去把它再做出詳細的一個規劃好不好因為我們在用的可是\n566181\t593458\t在這裡因為時間的關係我們希望僑委會大概去優化這個部分因為他大概只剎三分之一或者有七年的時間可是他30%在不到的時間我們現在每一年都會追蹤學校從高職端開始就是說他從一年級其實最容易離開是一年級到二年級的時候因為他就是適應力的問題然後有些學生他說跟他原來想像有落差\n594298\t603306\t那所以我們在前期招生的時候一定要把資訊很清楚而完整的說明到位好沒關係委員長因為時間的關係我有下一個問題那這個部分再請給本席書面的資料就是說他不適應的原因那怎麼樣可以做其他的優化的部分這個再提供書面可是我們現在今天比較特別在乎的是本席辦公室有接貨僑胞的反應\n620740\t624783\t他的子女想要來臺灣念書就念我們的產學合作專班可是他跟所在國我們駐外的像使領館還有我們代表處辦事處或其他外交部授權的機構詢問相關的規定或做法的時候得到的答覆都是去找\n641836\t646858\t僑委會合併的保健單位來洽辦本席想要請教委員長僑生不可以自己去報名他產核專班嗎他來報的時候呢不是不可以那也是會有我們的僑務人員去做面試也就是說我們一定會有一個面試的過程那這個保健單位的\n662743\t665244\t因為我們接到的陳情他是不可以他希望我們推薦希望他去找我們推薦的保健單位接下來我要請教的因為時間齁的關係我先簡單的把我這個問題先講完就是說因為\n680089\t683910\t在我們僑務委員會領選僑生回國就學保健單位要點第二點僑生回國就學的時候是以向我駐外使領館代表處辦事處或其他外交部授權的機構我們以下簡稱外館處然後申請為原則就是以上面這些地點為原則或這些單位\n703974\t717762\t其他的我們的保健單位其實它是為府的可是我們現在把它顛倒過來變成除了這個保健單位保健的以外其他的都不行現在有這樣的問題是不是這樣委員長我想請你再去做詳細的了解跟調查因為我們看這個資料我們保健單位怎麼遴選出來的\n727907\t754907\t我們這裡總共大概有8個國家東南亞國家、越南、馬來西亞、印尼、緬甸、泰國、菲律賓、柬埔寨還有寮國那像保健單位我們看到這個學生人數一直都居高不下的第一名是越南他非常高在112學年度就1200多人那其實最多的是印尼他有1600多人\n757748\t785014\t這兩個國家都是學生來台人數最多的可是越南居然只有一個保健單位就這個單位它負責所有一千多人它不只一千多人因為它從107年度也是一千多一千多還有好幾百的這樣加起來它的人數總共六千多人就只有一個保健單位那馬來西亞它的人口數它的面積都非常大\n785714\t786775\t委員長這是非常不合乎比例的一個問題\n803814\t809599\t那到底為什麼 這裡面是不是有一些不法我現在在這裡不希望用這樣子的態度先去設定可是它是不是有我希望委員長你們可以調查清楚如果應該讓它更公平更透明讓我們的政策可還尤其我們做的是教育如果這個部分是一個核心的原則我們應該怎麼樣讓利益不要在這裡把持\n829938\t830499\t馬文君委員發言\n","txt":"馬文君委員長馬文君委員長\n馬昭薇好委員長好我延續剛剛王定宇委員他的這個議題因為這一次我們都有隨團去參加那這一次臺商總會聯合會舉辦發生的這些差距說差距他可能也是政治干擾的問題不管過去或現在或未來都會面臨到的那在這裡我也\n會呼籲因為北京當局其實做這樣子如果是由他們主動去干預做這麼大的尤其是對於這樣的民間團體的一個全球的會議去做這樣的干擾我覺得是小鼻子小眼睛\n可是我們在這裡也看到就像剛剛講的越南方面其實他們藉甚恐懼也許他們只是一個小的動作可是他們做很大的反應這個才是我們應該要警惕的可是我們也要看到國際的現實面今天為什麼會這樣子\n整個的市場整個的供應鏈整個很多的方方面面的條件其實他們的影響力大得多即使我們台灣很多的廠商在越南的投資高達現在他們的官方統計是第6位可是如果透過其他的國家進去投資也是我們的台商\n其實我們排在五名以內,而且三名內是非常高的,可是因為都有這麼大的投資額,可是還會發生這樣的問題,那個我們可能要審慎的評估跟考量,這個可能不是只有做調查\n因為記得在上一次台塑在越南發生就是上一次他們有發生過暴動的時候其實很多國家也在考慮越南是不是一個適合投資的地方包括我們很多的台商可是當他們做完評估以後越南還是他們的首選\n馬文君\n等方面說了算今天有很多的投資者他們要投資要把錢放進去的時候這都是身家財產他們想的會比我們多那他們可能會傾向於妥協\n所以我們應該要怎麼樣拿捏不管因為現在新政府要上來了未來整個國際的局勢兩岸的局勢它其實同等重要其實我要強調的是這一點所以如果說我們不可以被欺負可是我們可以有更好的溝通能力就像許委員長\n其實我看你常常都是笑嘻嘻的所以即使在面對不同意見或者不同政黨或者不同的政治態度的時候我們怎麼樣去溝通這個非常重要從小放大我想這個應該他的做法都是一致的\n其實這一次我跟召委報告我們跟越方的溝通其實都暢行無阻那越方也很坦誠跟我們解釋了很多內部的狀況他們說的來自於這個\n中國的大使館壓力是幾乎24小時緊盯著他們的狀態所以我可以清楚感受到他們的壓力他們也派人來跟我們致歉也特別請我跟江啟臣副院長表達歉意就是希望說不要因為這個事件來造成彼此雙方之間未來的一些合作但是我們也提醒他們就是說\n不是我們官方的問題而已而是民間他們看到這種狀況的時候會有所擔憂所以也期待說在某些穩定度上可以讓我們的投資者更加放心畢竟這個經濟自由度跟穩定度這個都是全球的這個企業非常重視的項目\n對,我剛剛說的就是說因為我們看結果今天不管人家用什麼樣的手段不管用什麼樣的方式可是結果就是這樣所以今天如果說在越南投資的台商是我們非常重要的資產他也是非常重要的角色如果說對岸今天會使這麼大的力表示其實這裡面有很多很重要的因素在裡面\n看結果我們現在面臨的就是這樣子所以應該要怎麼樣去做調整或改變或可以讓他變好這是我們應該努力的因為我們沒有辦法去要求其他的國家或者別人應該怎麼做可是我們應該怎麼做我們可以有主導權這個部分我們可以讓我們更好自由國家可以走的出去我們的台商可以有更好的環境這個是政府應該要做的所以我覺得其他理由可能我們\n我們現在面臨少者化高齡化我們工作人口減少老化所以在台灣的經濟成長人力很欠缺的情況之下\n我們僑委會其實也配合政府一個很重要的政策就是在中長城施政計畫裡面把僑委會過去產息僑生專班跟海青班為基礎的這個部分把它擴增僑外生的生源\n﹚馬文君﹚\n那我們要辦理的這個計畫項目主要是希望可以培育生源、擴大招生還有在學輔導以及就業輔導這四個大的工作項目可是我們看到這個計畫裡面它當然其實可以解決國內的缺工又可以增進我們海外僑胞對台灣的認同然後又可以推廣我們很多的華語文這樣子我們一直在\n一舉多得可是教育是長期的工作我們現在看到我們以僑生專班為例從初期招生來源國的舉薦學生審核分發就學要經過7年其中3年是技高端就是我們所謂的高職還有另外4年的技專端就是我們所謂的科技大\n特技大學那這個就習跟實習的訓練最後流台的就業人數才是檢驗我們這一筆預算他執行的成果所以政府在編列預算的時候是不是合理的支應我想我們可以來看一下有一些數據資料從過去105年因為是7年嘛所以我們用105學年招募的僑生他經過7年的時間到112年畢業\n這個例子來看,從招募報名700多個學生到112年6月只剩下240個畢業留在臺灣,其實他大概只有三分之一那在108年到109年入學高中的部分,這個人數還算蠻高的,有2115位\n：馬文君\n不曉得為什麼僑委會有沒有掌握說僑生沒有完成這樣的學業就提早離開台灣這樣的原因到底是什麼因為我們在很多的不管講學金還有學雜費的補助各方面其實我們好像考慮的非常周到可是還是有高達30%的學生\n在還沒有結束之前他就選擇離開台灣那這最後可能會造成的影響會比較多所以我們希望僑委會在這個優化的措施可以具體的去把它再做出詳細的一個規劃好不好因為我們在用的可是\n在這裡因為時間的關係我們希望僑委會大概去優化這個部分因為他大概只剎三分之一或者有七年的時間可是他30%在不到的時間我們現在每一年都會追蹤學校從高職端開始就是說他從一年級其實最容易離開是一年級到二年級的時候因為他就是適應力的問題然後有些學生他說跟他原來想像有落差\n那所以我們在前期招生的時候一定要把資訊很清楚而完整的說明到位好沒關係委員長因為時間的關係我有下一個問題那這個部分再請給本席書面的資料就是說他不適應的原因那怎麼樣可以做其他的優化的部分這個再提供書面可是我們現在今天比較特別在乎的是本席辦公室有接貨僑胞的反應\n他的子女想要來臺灣念書就念我們的產學合作專班可是他跟所在國我們駐外的像使領館還有我們代表處辦事處或其他外交部授權的機構詢問相關的規定或做法的時候得到的答覆都是去找\n僑委會合併的保健單位來洽辦本席想要請教委員長僑生不可以自己去報名他產核專班嗎他來報的時候呢不是不可以那也是會有我們的僑務人員去做面試也就是說我們一定會有一個面試的過程那這個保健單位的\n因為我們接到的陳情他是不可以他希望我們推薦希望他去找我們推薦的保健單位接下來我要請教的因為時間齁的關係我先簡單的把我這個問題先講完就是說因為\n在我們僑務委員會領選僑生回國就學保健單位要點第二點僑生回國就學的時候是以向我駐外使領館代表處辦事處或其他外交部授權的機構我們以下簡稱外館處然後申請為原則就是以上面這些地點為原則或這些單位\n其他的我們的保健單位其實它是為府的可是我們現在把它顛倒過來變成除了這個保健單位保健的以外其他的都不行現在有這樣的問題是不是這樣委員長我想請你再去做詳細的了解跟調查因為我們看這個資料我們保健單位怎麼遴選出來的\n我們這裡總共大概有8個國家東南亞國家、越南、馬來西亞、印尼、緬甸、泰國、菲律賓、柬埔寨還有寮國那像保健單位我們看到這個學生人數一直都居高不下的第一名是越南他非常高在112學年度就1200多人那其實最多的是印尼他有1600多人\n這兩個國家都是學生來台人數最多的可是越南居然只有一個保健單位就這個單位它負責所有一千多人它不只一千多人因為它從107年度也是一千多一千多還有好幾百的這樣加起來它的人數總共六千多人就只有一個保健單位那馬來西亞它的人口數它的面積都非常大\n委員長這是非常不合乎比例的一個問題\n那到底為什麼 這裡面是不是有一些不法我現在在這裡不希望用這樣子的態度先去設定可是它是不是有我希望委員長你們可以調查清楚如果應該讓它更公平更透明讓我們的政策可還尤其我們做的是教育如果這個部分是一個核心的原則我們應該怎麼樣讓利益不要在這裡把持\n馬文君委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.370 --> 00:01.592\n馬文君委員長馬文君委員長\n\n00:09.210 --> 00:37.890\n馬昭薇好委員長好我延續剛剛王定宇委員他的這個議題因為這一次我們都有隨團去參加那這一次臺商總會聯合會舉辦發生的這些差距說差距他可能也是政治干擾的問題不管過去或現在或未來都會面臨到的那在這裡我也\n\n00:39.532 --> 00:55.126\n會呼籲因為北京當局其實做這樣子如果是由他們主動去干預做這麼大的尤其是對於這樣的民間團體的一個全球的會議去做這樣的干擾我覺得是小鼻子小眼睛\n\n00:56.187 --> 01:09.340\n可是我們在這裡也看到就像剛剛講的越南方面其實他們藉甚恐懼也許他們只是一個小的動作可是他們做很大的反應這個才是我們應該要警惕的可是我們也要看到國際的現實面今天為什麼會這樣子\n\n01:17.788 --> 01:41.229\n整個的市場整個的供應鏈整個很多的方方面面的條件其實他們的影響力大得多即使我們台灣很多的廠商在越南的投資高達現在他們的官方統計是第6位可是如果透過其他的國家進去投資也是我們的台商\n\n01:42.170 --> 01:45.534\n其實我們排在五名以內,而且三名內是非常高的,可是因為都有這麼大的投資額,可是還會發生這樣的問題,那個我們可能要審慎的評估跟考量,這個可能不是只有做調查\n\n02:02.533 --> 02:21.147\n因為記得在上一次台塑在越南發生就是上一次他們有發生過暴動的時候其實很多國家也在考慮越南是不是一個適合投資的地方包括我們很多的台商可是當他們做完評估以後越南還是他們的首選\n\n02:22.128 --> 02:22.428\n馬文君\n\n02:39.517 --> 02:48.463\n等方面說了算今天有很多的投資者他們要投資要把錢放進去的時候這都是身家財產他們想的會比我們多那他們可能會傾向於妥協\n\n02:53.206 --> 03:12.178\n所以我們應該要怎麼樣拿捏不管因為現在新政府要上來了未來整個國際的局勢兩岸的局勢它其實同等重要其實我要強調的是這一點所以如果說我們不可以被欺負可是我們可以有更好的溝通能力就像許委員長\n\n03:13.419 --> 03:19.242\n其實我看你常常都是笑嘻嘻的所以即使在面對不同意見或者不同政黨或者不同的政治態度的時候我們怎麼樣去溝通這個非常重要從小放大我想這個應該他的做法都是一致的\n\n03:32.969 --> 03:44.796\n其實這一次我跟召委報告我們跟越方的溝通其實都暢行無阻那越方也很坦誠跟我們解釋了很多內部的狀況他們說的來自於這個\n\n03:50.419 --> 04:17.933\n中國的大使館壓力是幾乎24小時緊盯著他們的狀態所以我可以清楚感受到他們的壓力他們也派人來跟我們致歉也特別請我跟江啟臣副院長表達歉意就是希望說不要因為這個事件來造成彼此雙方之間未來的一些合作但是我們也提醒他們就是說\n\n04:19.574 --> 04:24.177\n不是我們官方的問題而已而是民間他們看到這種狀況的時候會有所擔憂所以也期待說在某些穩定度上可以讓我們的投資者更加放心畢竟這個經濟自由度跟穩定度這個都是全球的這個企業非常重視的項目\n\n04:43.828 --> 05:07.495\n對,我剛剛說的就是說因為我們看結果今天不管人家用什麼樣的手段不管用什麼樣的方式可是結果就是這樣所以今天如果說在越南投資的台商是我們非常重要的資產他也是非常重要的角色如果說對岸今天會使這麼大的力表示其實這裡面有很多很重要的因素在裡面\n\n05:08.935 --> 05:35.425\n看結果我們現在面臨的就是這樣子所以應該要怎麼樣去做調整或改變或可以讓他變好這是我們應該努力的因為我們沒有辦法去要求其他的國家或者別人應該怎麼做可是我們應該怎麼做我們可以有主導權這個部分我們可以讓我們更好自由國家可以走的出去我們的台商可以有更好的環境這個是政府應該要做的所以我覺得其他理由可能我們\n\n05:37.014 --> 05:40.278\n我們現在面臨少者化高齡化我們工作人口減少老化所以在台灣的經濟成長人力很欠缺的情況之下\n\n05:56.478 --> 06:02.264\n我們僑委會其實也配合政府一個很重要的政策就是在中長城施政計畫裡面把僑委會過去產息僑生專班跟海青班為基礎的這個部分把它擴增僑外生的生源\n\n06:14.236 --> 06:14.276\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n06:36.181 --> 06:39.503\n那我們要辦理的這個計畫項目主要是希望可以培育生源、擴大招生還有在學輔導以及就業輔導這四個大的工作項目可是我們看到這個計畫裡面它當然其實可以解決國內的缺工又可以增進我們海外僑胞對台灣的認同然後又可以推廣我們很多的華語文這樣子我們一直在\n\n07:04.961 --> 07:08.923\n一舉多得可是教育是長期的工作我們現在看到我們以僑生專班為例從初期招生來源國的舉薦學生審核分發就學要經過7年其中3年是技高端就是我們所謂的高職還有另外4年的技專端就是我們所謂的科技大\n\n07:31.333 --> 07:50.026\n特技大學那這個就習跟實習的訓練最後流台的就業人數才是檢驗我們這一筆預算他執行的成果所以政府在編列預算的時候是不是合理的支應我想我們可以來看一下有一些數據資料從過去105年因為是7年嘛所以我們用105學年招募的僑生他經過7年的時間到112年畢業\n\n08:01.014 --> 08:24.515\n這個例子來看,從招募報名700多個學生到112年6月只剩下240個畢業留在臺灣,其實他大概只有三分之一那在108年到109年入學高中的部分,這個人數還算蠻高的,有2115位\n\n08:27.659 --> 08:27.859\n：馬文君\n\n08:45.310 --> 08:48.312\n不曉得為什麼僑委會有沒有掌握說僑生沒有完成這樣的學業就提早離開台灣這樣的原因到底是什麼因為我們在很多的不管講學金還有學雜費的補助各方面其實我們好像考慮的非常周到可是還是有高達30%的學生\n\n09:05.625 --> 09:07.706\n在還沒有結束之前他就選擇離開台灣那這最後可能會造成的影響會比較多所以我們希望僑委會在這個優化的措施可以具體的去把它再做出詳細的一個規劃好不好因為我們在用的可是\n\n09:26.181 --> 09:53.458\n在這裡因為時間的關係我們希望僑委會大概去優化這個部分因為他大概只剎三分之一或者有七年的時間可是他30%在不到的時間我們現在每一年都會追蹤學校從高職端開始就是說他從一年級其實最容易離開是一年級到二年級的時候因為他就是適應力的問題然後有些學生他說跟他原來想像有落差\n\n09:54.298 --> 10:03.306\n那所以我們在前期招生的時候一定要把資訊很清楚而完整的說明到位好沒關係委員長因為時間的關係我有下一個問題那這個部分再請給本席書面的資料就是說他不適應的原因那怎麼樣可以做其他的優化的部分這個再提供書面可是我們現在今天比較特別在乎的是本席辦公室有接貨僑胞的反應\n\n10:20.740 --> 10:24.783\n他的子女想要來臺灣念書就念我們的產學合作專班可是他跟所在國我們駐外的像使領館還有我們代表處辦事處或其他外交部授權的機構詢問相關的規定或做法的時候得到的答覆都是去找\n\n10:41.836 --> 10:46.858\n僑委會合併的保健單位來洽辦本席想要請教委員長僑生不可以自己去報名他產核專班嗎他來報的時候呢不是不可以那也是會有我們的僑務人員去做面試也就是說我們一定會有一個面試的過程那這個保健單位的\n\n11:02.743 --> 11:05.244\n因為我們接到的陳情他是不可以他希望我們推薦希望他去找我們推薦的保健單位接下來我要請教的因為時間齁的關係我先簡單的把我這個問題先講完就是說因為\n\n11:20.089 --> 11:23.910\n在我們僑務委員會領選僑生回國就學保健單位要點第二點僑生回國就學的時候是以向我駐外使領館代表處辦事處或其他外交部授權的機構我們以下簡稱外館處然後申請為原則就是以上面這些地點為原則或這些單位\n\n11:43.974 --> 11:57.762\n其他的我們的保健單位其實它是為府的可是我們現在把它顛倒過來變成除了這個保健單位保健的以外其他的都不行現在有這樣的問題是不是這樣委員長我想請你再去做詳細的了解跟調查因為我們看這個資料我們保健單位怎麼遴選出來的\n\n12:07.907 --> 12:34.907\n我們這裡總共大概有8個國家東南亞國家、越南、馬來西亞、印尼、緬甸、泰國、菲律賓、柬埔寨還有寮國那像保健單位我們看到這個學生人數一直都居高不下的第一名是越南他非常高在112學年度就1200多人那其實最多的是印尼他有1600多人\n\n12:37.748 --> 13:05.014\n這兩個國家都是學生來台人數最多的可是越南居然只有一個保健單位就這個單位它負責所有一千多人它不只一千多人因為它從107年度也是一千多一千多還有好幾百的這樣加起來它的人數總共六千多人就只有一個保健單位那馬來西亞它的人口數它的面積都非常大\n\n13:05.714 --> 13:06.775\n委員長這是非常不合乎比例的一個問題\n\n13:23.814 --> 13:29.599\n那到底為什麼這裡面是不是有一些不法我現在在這裡不希望用這樣子的態度先去設定可是它是不是有我希望委員長你們可以調查清楚如果應該讓它更公平更透明讓我們的政策可還尤其我們做的是教育如果這個部分是一個核心的原則我們應該怎麼樣讓利益不要在這裡把持\n\n13:49.938 --> 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