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00:01:10,909\n除了這個之外呢我想就是今天的道路交通管理處罰條例的草案我們要進行修法但是我要請部長你看我整理了這些事實上我們中央還有地方各地方政府他所有的交通管理的法規自治條例\n\n4\n00:01:11,870 --> 00:01:38,492\n或者是設計標準規範還有處理細則管理辦法等等還很多所以我記得上次去年在也是在交通委員會部長有跟我承諾我們呢這個道路交通安全基本法三讀通過之後我們要利用半年的時間來盤點那定一個明確的時程來告訴國人說我們如何對台灣的交通安全能夠的把它\n\n5\n00:01:39,733 --> 00:02:07,004\n而且調整、修改、清除、明確而且合理化讓安全能夠獲得保障。部長這半年內你整理了完嗎?處理了完嗎?現在時間點是7月1號各單位所管的法令要做一個討論。我舉例來講就是說道路交通標註標註設置規則在過去很多人說好像死板板的要怎麼定那我們現在一年手已經有一個這一個叫什麼?\n\n6\n00:02:08,188 --> 00:02:08,969\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n7\n00:02:25,303 --> 00:02:43,422\n這個是目前我們覺得最重要啦就是標記標線如果設置如果不好的話但是過去在這個設置規則裡面是個案式的大家不會錯起來這個也在做現在大概整個在討論是我們現在是以7月1號大家把它修好7月1號為基準點嘛對不對7月1號之前應該還在盤點而已啦部長\n\n8\n00:02:49,107 --> 00:02:55,131\n那7月1號他那個我們的部門應該很快我們部門現在已經我要拜託部長啦我覺得這個是持續性的我們7月1號之前我認為交通部應該更積極除了盤點哪些法規應該要調整之外那我認為該調整要調整啦\n\n9\n00:03:09,705 --> 00:03:24,003\n不是只有盤點而已啊不然我們的行政交通安全設施條例都已經三度通過了那呢內政部呢針對下面的執法官也要跟個人來修訂了那所以我們交通部也要同步跟上啊\n\n10\n00:03:24,363 --> 00:03:44,438\n好跟委員報告現在有關那個道路交通標誌標記號誌設置規則目前我們已經有修正部分的條文正在做行政程序要跟地方政府溝通因為我們各縣市的這個道路系統他的差異跟樣態很多元是我們在過程中有徵詢地方政府的相關意見\n\n11\n00:03:44,998 --> 00:04:08,721\n是。所以我們要盡力做。那7月1號我希望不只是盤點而是該調整的要跟著調整。好。這第一點。第二個我呢來自台中我一點開我們交通部的官網我們就跳出一個視窗。這個也是我們要求交通部做是提醒但是也很傷痛。為什麼?因為呢我們113年1月的道路交通事故的統計裡面\n\n12\n00:04:10,302 --> 00:04:32,109\n我們台中市是各縣市裡面的第一名而這種第一名是非常不好的第一名十三人數我們325我們可以看到說我們從去年一直在重視行人安全到現在結果所有的宣導、工程、法規都在進行但是我們的交通事故還是持續在攀升部長你認為為什麼我覺得很擔心\n\n13\n00:04:36,450 --> 00:04:36,470\n市長。\n\n14\n00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:05,679\n但是各縣市不一樣部分我們現在都是用我們的福島福島專業小路下這個就是我現在跟你講的來以台中為例\n\n15\n00:05:06,980 --> 00:05:27,934\n我上次有問過紅綠燈的路口六都之中台中最多那保護行人專用的十項號誌的比例卻最低這個是你們交通部的一個表格那上次我問的時候交通部的官員回答我啊不是所有的這個路口都一定要這個行人專用十項這個我承認不是所有的路口都要但是\n\n16\n00:05:28,755 --> 00:05:54,554\n但是我們保護行人的專用的10項號誌現在與法有據欸我們道路交通標誌標線號誌的設置規則裡面他的第三目他有講啊行人特多的時候必須使用行人專用的10項的交他入口是可以設置的喔是要設置的喔我們現在剛三讀通過了行人交通安全設施條例裡面在第七條裡面也有講到醫療院所學校機關大眾運輸廠商等\n\n17\n00:05:58,837 --> 00:06:20,147\n行人密集場所周邊是我們的必須要做的友善行人區行人友善區那就應該做保護行人的專用實相號誌啊那下一頁我就又盤點了我叫助理自己去盤點我們目前看到的數據上臺中市只有一百三十個入口有用這樣子的行人專用實相的設置\n\n18\n00:06:21,508 --> 00:06:46,577\n我盤點我們光是台中市啊有醫院的啦有學校的啦在火車站周邊的啦在捷運車站周邊的或是商圈的總共就有534處我跟你猜這五百好了啦有500個可能的重大路口行人特別多的路口需要設置行人專用實相的這樣的號誌可是我們台中市目前只有130個\n\n19\n00:06:48,178 --> 00:07:13,106\n那所以呢我要爭取中央來支持。為什麼?市長你支持嗎?我跟委員報告,我們現在4年400億可以補助喔。所以我就覺得他們,我個人非常支持這個新聞專務實相。就是剛才所提到的這些,所以我覺得若不夠的話我們現在包括我們的部分包括這個國土署的部分都可以,我們都可以補助。\n\n20\n00:07:13,906 --> 00:07:35,159\n是。接下來我就要跟你講這件事你已經先講了喔。經費的運用要解決實際的問題要彈性我上次去內政委員會問過內政部林佑昌部長他告訴我我們這一次400億的這個編列的預算裡面內政部跟交通部都是主管機關那交通部的部分我也認為要\n\n21\n00:07:36,873 --> 00:07:54,396\n滾動式檢討。如果地方政府真的有需要,我們中央要全力支持。因為內政部長林佑昌是跟我答應說,沒錯,我們的內政部是滾動式檢討、彈性運用,只要地方政府願意提計劃,我們都願意支持。所以部長也是同樣的態度嗎?支持,支持,非常支持。\n\n22\n00:07:55,077 --> 00:08:12,712\n所以我就要拜託行人的安全很重要那接下來就要討論了我們這一次的修法出來要保障行人的安全那還有什麼我們這個違規祭典的新制這個我相信你也知道這個是我從交通部爬書出來的我們違規祭典的這個倍數成長職業類別的五倍數的成長非職業類別的六倍數的成長\n\n23\n00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:36,760\n在安全的前提之下這些數字我想就是我們道安管理上的新挑戰嗎?部長那你怎麼認為?我想這樣齁在去年的確我們也是在立法院大家覺得新人第一要改啊那當然\n\n24\n00:08:37,401 --> 00:08:59,374\n交通部當時的評估、大家的建議我們覺得也可以做。那的確也發生很多因為我們的環境還沒有整頓完,包括路邊停車還沒整頓完的很多亂象還包括檢舉達人非常比較腐爛的檢舉所以我們這一次是比較系統性的去年是臨時性的現在已經系統性的\n\n25\n00:09:00,234 --> 00:09:28,848\n就用我們從處罰條例九十二條下售的這些相關規定就用一千兩百元系統性的從我們剛剛我剛剛第一頁開始講的啊道安的這個基本法向下很多的相關的法令我們都要去盤點要去調整啊所以我們的安全的設施設備所以為什麼我們這個行人的道路安全設施設備法已經先通過了吧這個就是要先有法而且要授權民定中央跟地方政府該做什麼事對\n\n26\n00:09:30,029 --> 00:09:55,729\n那這些事情一理設備安全設備要先做好先規範好目前是這樣子吧所以我最後檢討時間到了我還是希望交通部我們行人用路人安全很重要那人車道我覺得這個相關的法規都要務實跟完善我不希望造成社會更大的對立好不好希望我們繼續再溝通讓這個法能夠修得更完善讓大家更安全謝謝\n\n27\n00:09:59,620 --> 00:09:59,641\n報告。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n549\t1769\t道路交通安全基本法\n24775\t50849\t那在這個上位法之下呢事實上我們要面對很多挑戰因為呢我在把這一張我做的整理出來的這個圖來告訴大家我們有好多好多的拼圖法規必須要去修必須要去整理必須要去爬書那我也很高興呢我們在4月16號那三讀通過了這個行政交通安全設施條例那我記得我也有到內政委員會去參與討論跟發言\n53510\t70909\t除了這個之外呢我想就是今天的道路交通管理處罰條例的草案我們要進行修法但是我要請部長你看我整理了這些事實上我們中央還有地方各地方政府他所有的交通管理的法規自治條例\n71870\t98492\t或者是設計標準規範還有處理細則管理辦法等等還很多所以我記得上次去年在也是在交通委員會部長有跟我承諾我們呢這個道路交通安全基本法三讀通過之後我們要利用半年的時間來盤點那定一個明確的時程來告訴國人說我們如何對台灣的交通安全能夠的把它\n99733\t127004\t而且調整、修改、清除、明確而且合理化讓安全能夠獲得保障。部長這半年內你整理了完嗎?處理了完嗎?現在時間點是7月1號各單位所管的法令要做一個討論。我舉例來講就是說道路交通標註標註設置規則在過去很多人說好像死板板的要怎麼定那我們現在一年手已經有一個這一個叫什麼?\n128188\t128969\t新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n145303\t163422\t這個是目前我們覺得最重要啦就是標記標線如果設置如果不好的話但是過去在這個設置規則裡面是個案式的大家不會錯起來這個也在做現在大概整個在討論是我們現在是以7月1號大家把它修好7月1號為基準點嘛對不對7月1號之前應該還在盤點而已啦部長\n169107\t175131\t那7月1號他那個我們的部門應該很快我們部門現在已經我要拜託部長啦我覺得這個是持續性的我們7月1號之前我認為交通部應該更積極除了盤點哪些法規應該要調整之外那我認為該調整要調整啦\n189705\t204003\t不是只有盤點而已啊不然我們的行政交通安全設施條例都已經三度通過了那呢內政部呢針對下面的執法官也要跟個人來修訂了那所以我們交通部也要同步跟上啊\n204363\t224438\t好跟委員報告現在有關那個道路交通標誌標記號誌設置規則目前我們已經有修正部分的條文正在做行政程序要跟地方政府溝通因為我們各縣市的這個道路系統他的差異跟樣態很多元是我們在過程中有徵詢地方政府的相關意見\n224998\t248721\t是。所以我們要盡力做。那7月1號我希望不只是盤點而是該調整的要跟著調整。好。這第一點。第二個我呢來自台中我一點開我們交通部的官網我們就跳出一個視窗。這個也是我們要求交通部做是提醒但是也很傷痛。為什麼?因為呢我們113年1月的道路交通事故的統計裡面\n250302\t272109\t我們台中市是各縣市裡面的第一名而這種第一名是非常不好的第一名十三人數我們325我們可以看到說我們從去年一直在重視行人安全到現在結果所有的宣導、工程、法規都在進行但是我們的交通事故還是持續在攀升部長你認為為什麼我覺得很擔心\n276450\t276470\t市長。\n297839\t305679\t但是各縣市不一樣部分我們現在都是用我們的福島福島專業小路下這個就是我現在跟你講的來以台中為例\n306980\t327934\t我上次有問過紅綠燈的路口六都之中台中最多那保護行人專用的十項號誌的比例卻最低這個是你們交通部的一個表格那上次我問的時候交通部的官員回答我啊不是所有的這個路口都一定要這個行人專用十項這個我承認不是所有的路口都要但是\n328755\t354554\t但是我們保護行人的專用的10項號誌現在與法有據欸我們道路交通標誌標線號誌的設置規則裡面他的第三目他有講啊行人特多的時候必須使用行人專用的10項的交他入口是可以設置的喔是要設置的喔我們現在剛三讀通過了行人交通安全設施條例裡面在第七條裡面也有講到醫療院所學校機關大眾運輸廠商等\n358837\t380147\t行人密集場所周邊是我們的必須要做的友善行人區行人友善區那就應該做保護行人的專用實相號誌啊那下一頁我就又盤點了我叫助理自己去盤點我們目前看到的數據上臺中市只有一百三十個入口有用這樣子的行人專用實相的設置\n381508\t406577\t我盤點我們光是台中市啊有醫院的啦有學校的啦在火車站周邊的啦在捷運車站周邊的或是商圈的總共就有534處我跟你猜這五百好了啦有500個可能的重大路口行人特別多的路口需要設置行人專用實相的這樣的號誌可是我們台中市目前只有130個\n408178\t433106\t那所以呢我要爭取中央來支持。為什麼?市長你支持嗎?我跟委員報告,我們現在4年400億可以補助喔。所以我就覺得他們,我個人非常支持這個新聞專務實相。就是剛才所提到的這些,所以我覺得若不夠的話我們現在包括我們的部分包括這個國土署的部分都可以,我們都可以補助。\n433906\t455159\t是。接下來我就要跟你講這件事你已經先講了喔。經費的運用要解決實際的問題要彈性我上次去內政委員會問過內政部林佑昌部長他告訴我我們這一次400億的這個編列的預算裡面內政部跟交通部都是主管機關那交通部的部分我也認為要\n456873\t474396\t滾動式檢討。如果地方政府真的有需要,我們中央要全力支持。因為內政部長林佑昌是跟我答應說,沒錯,我們的內政部是滾動式檢討、彈性運用,只要地方政府願意提計劃,我們都願意支持。所以部長也是同樣的態度嗎?支持,支持,非常支持。\n475077\t492712\t所以我就要拜託行人的安全很重要那接下來就要討論了我們這一次的修法出來要保障行人的安全那還有什麼我們這個違規祭典的新制這個我相信你也知道這個是我從交通部爬書出來的我們違規祭典的這個倍數成長職業類別的五倍數的成長非職業類別的六倍數的成長\n500839\t516760\t在安全的前提之下這些數字我想就是我們道安管理上的新挑戰嗎?部長那你怎麼認為?我想這樣齁在去年的確我們也是在立法院大家覺得新人第一要改啊那當然\n517401\t539374\t交通部當時的評估、大家的建議我們覺得也可以做。那的確也發生很多因為我們的環境還沒有整頓完,包括路邊停車還沒整頓完的很多亂象還包括檢舉達人非常比較腐爛的檢舉所以我們這一次是比較系統性的去年是臨時性的現在已經系統性的\n540234\t568848\t就用我們從處罰條例九十二條下售的這些相關規定就用一千兩百元系統性的從我們剛剛我剛剛第一頁開始講的啊道安的這個基本法向下很多的相關的法令我們都要去盤點要去調整啊所以我們的安全的設施設備所以為什麼我們這個行人的道路安全設施設備法已經先通過了吧這個就是要先有法而且要授權民定中央跟地方政府該做什麼事對\n570029\t595729\t那這些事情一理設備安全設備要先做好先規範好目前是這樣子吧所以我最後檢討時間到了我還是希望交通部我們行人用路人安全很重要那人車道我覺得這個相關的法規都要務實跟完善我不希望造成社會更大的對立好不好希望我們繼續再溝通讓這個法能夠修得更完善讓大家更安全謝謝\n599620\t599641\t報告。\n","txt":"道路交通安全基本法\n那在這個上位法之下呢事實上我們要面對很多挑戰因為呢我在把這一張我做的整理出來的這個圖來告訴大家我們有好多好多的拼圖法規必須要去修必須要去整理必須要去爬書那我也很高興呢我們在4月16號那三讀通過了這個行政交通安全設施條例那我記得我也有到內政委員會去參與討論跟發言\n除了這個之外呢我想就是今天的道路交通管理處罰條例的草案我們要進行修法但是我要請部長你看我整理了這些事實上我們中央還有地方各地方政府他所有的交通管理的法規自治條例\n或者是設計標準規範還有處理細則管理辦法等等還很多所以我記得上次去年在也是在交通委員會部長有跟我承諾我們呢這個道路交通安全基本法三讀通過之後我們要利用半年的時間來盤點那定一個明確的時程來告訴國人說我們如何對台灣的交通安全能夠的把它\n而且調整、修改、清除、明確而且合理化讓安全能夠獲得保障。部長這半年內你整理了完嗎?處理了完嗎?現在時間點是7月1號各單位所管的法令要做一個討論。我舉例來講就是說道路交通標註標註設置規則在過去很多人說好像死板板的要怎麼定那我們現在一年手已經有一個這一個叫什麼?\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n這個是目前我們覺得最重要啦就是標記標線如果設置如果不好的話但是過去在這個設置規則裡面是個案式的大家不會錯起來這個也在做現在大概整個在討論是我們現在是以7月1號大家把它修好7月1號為基準點嘛對不對7月1號之前應該還在盤點而已啦部長\n那7月1號他那個我們的部門應該很快我們部門現在已經我要拜託部長啦我覺得這個是持續性的我們7月1號之前我認為交通部應該更積極除了盤點哪些法規應該要調整之外那我認為該調整要調整啦\n不是只有盤點而已啊不然我們的行政交通安全設施條例都已經三度通過了那呢內政部呢針對下面的執法官也要跟個人來修訂了那所以我們交通部也要同步跟上啊\n好跟委員報告現在有關那個道路交通標誌標記號誌設置規則目前我們已經有修正部分的條文正在做行政程序要跟地方政府溝通因為我們各縣市的這個道路系統他的差異跟樣態很多元是我們在過程中有徵詢地方政府的相關意見\n是。所以我們要盡力做。那7月1號我希望不只是盤點而是該調整的要跟著調整。好。這第一點。第二個我呢來自台中我一點開我們交通部的官網我們就跳出一個視窗。這個也是我們要求交通部做是提醒但是也很傷痛。為什麼?因為呢我們113年1月的道路交通事故的統計裡面\n我們台中市是各縣市裡面的第一名而這種第一名是非常不好的第一名十三人數我們325我們可以看到說我們從去年一直在重視行人安全到現在結果所有的宣導、工程、法規都在進行但是我們的交通事故還是持續在攀升部長你認為為什麼我覺得很擔心\n市長。\n但是各縣市不一樣部分我們現在都是用我們的福島福島專業小路下這個就是我現在跟你講的來以台中為例\n我上次有問過紅綠燈的路口六都之中台中最多那保護行人專用的十項號誌的比例卻最低這個是你們交通部的一個表格那上次我問的時候交通部的官員回答我啊不是所有的這個路口都一定要這個行人專用十項這個我承認不是所有的路口都要但是\n但是我們保護行人的專用的10項號誌現在與法有據欸我們道路交通標誌標線號誌的設置規則裡面他的第三目他有講啊行人特多的時候必須使用行人專用的10項的交他入口是可以設置的喔是要設置的喔我們現在剛三讀通過了行人交通安全設施條例裡面在第七條裡面也有講到醫療院所學校機關大眾運輸廠商等\n行人密集場所周邊是我們的必須要做的友善行人區行人友善區那就應該做保護行人的專用實相號誌啊那下一頁我就又盤點了我叫助理自己去盤點我們目前看到的數據上臺中市只有一百三十個入口有用這樣子的行人專用實相的設置\n我盤點我們光是台中市啊有醫院的啦有學校的啦在火車站周邊的啦在捷運車站周邊的或是商圈的總共就有534處我跟你猜這五百好了啦有500個可能的重大路口行人特別多的路口需要設置行人專用實相的這樣的號誌可是我們台中市目前只有130個\n那所以呢我要爭取中央來支持。為什麼?市長你支持嗎?我跟委員報告,我們現在4年400億可以補助喔。所以我就覺得他們,我個人非常支持這個新聞專務實相。就是剛才所提到的這些,所以我覺得若不夠的話我們現在包括我們的部分包括這個國土署的部分都可以,我們都可以補助。\n是。接下來我就要跟你講這件事你已經先講了喔。經費的運用要解決實際的問題要彈性我上次去內政委員會問過內政部林佑昌部長他告訴我我們這一次400億的這個編列的預算裡面內政部跟交通部都是主管機關那交通部的部分我也認為要\n滾動式檢討。如果地方政府真的有需要,我們中央要全力支持。因為內政部長林佑昌是跟我答應說,沒錯,我們的內政部是滾動式檢討、彈性運用,只要地方政府願意提計劃,我們都願意支持。所以部長也是同樣的態度嗎?支持,支持,非常支持。\n所以我就要拜託行人的安全很重要那接下來就要討論了我們這一次的修法出來要保障行人的安全那還有什麼我們這個違規祭典的新制這個我相信你也知道這個是我從交通部爬書出來的我們違規祭典的這個倍數成長職業類別的五倍數的成長非職業類別的六倍數的成長\n在安全的前提之下這些數字我想就是我們道安管理上的新挑戰嗎?部長那你怎麼認為?我想這樣齁在去年的確我們也是在立法院大家覺得新人第一要改啊那當然\n交通部當時的評估、大家的建議我們覺得也可以做。那的確也發生很多因為我們的環境還沒有整頓完,包括路邊停車還沒整頓完的很多亂象還包括檢舉達人非常比較腐爛的檢舉所以我們這一次是比較系統性的去年是臨時性的現在已經系統性的\n就用我們從處罰條例九十二條下售的這些相關規定就用一千兩百元系統性的從我們剛剛我剛剛第一頁開始講的啊道安的這個基本法向下很多的相關的法令我們都要去盤點要去調整啊所以我們的安全的設施設備所以為什麼我們這個行人的道路安全設施設備法已經先通過了吧這個就是要先有法而且要授權民定中央跟地方政府該做什麼事對\n那這些事情一理設備安全設備要先做好先規範好目前是這樣子吧所以我最後檢討時間到了我還是希望交通部我們行人用路人安全很重要那人車道我覺得這個相關的法規都要務實跟完善我不希望造成社會更大的對立好不好希望我們繼續再溝通讓這個法能夠修得更完善讓大家更安全謝謝\n報告。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.549 --> 00:01.769\n道路交通安全基本法\n\n00:24.775 --> 00:50.849\n那在這個上位法之下呢事實上我們要面對很多挑戰因為呢我在把這一張我做的整理出來的這個圖來告訴大家我們有好多好多的拼圖法規必須要去修必須要去整理必須要去爬書那我也很高興呢我們在4月16號那三讀通過了這個行政交通安全設施條例那我記得我也有到內政委員會去參與討論跟發言\n\n00:53.510 --> 01:10.909\n除了這個之外呢我想就是今天的道路交通管理處罰條例的草案我們要進行修法但是我要請部長你看我整理了這些事實上我們中央還有地方各地方政府他所有的交通管理的法規自治條例\n\n01:11.870 --> 01:38.492\n或者是設計標準規範還有處理細則管理辦法等等還很多所以我記得上次去年在也是在交通委員會部長有跟我承諾我們呢這個道路交通安全基本法三讀通過之後我們要利用半年的時間來盤點那定一個明確的時程來告訴國人說我們如何對台灣的交通安全能夠的把它\n\n01:39.733 --> 02:07.004\n而且調整、修改、清除、明確而且合理化讓安全能夠獲得保障。部長這半年內你整理了完嗎?處理了完嗎?現在時間點是7月1號各單位所管的法令要做一個討論。我舉例來講就是說道路交通標註標註設置規則在過去很多人說好像死板板的要怎麼定那我們現在一年手已經有一個這一個叫什麼?\n\n02:08.188 --> 02:08.969\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n02:25.303 --> 02:43.422\n這個是目前我們覺得最重要啦就是標記標線如果設置如果不好的話但是過去在這個設置規則裡面是個案式的大家不會錯起來這個也在做現在大概整個在討論是我們現在是以7月1號大家把它修好7月1號為基準點嘛對不對7月1號之前應該還在盤點而已啦部長\n\n02:49.107 --> 02:55.131\n那7月1號他那個我們的部門應該很快我們部門現在已經我要拜託部長啦我覺得這個是持續性的我們7月1號之前我認為交通部應該更積極除了盤點哪些法規應該要調整之外那我認為該調整要調整啦\n\n03:09.705 --> 03:24.003\n不是只有盤點而已啊不然我們的行政交通安全設施條例都已經三度通過了那呢內政部呢針對下面的執法官也要跟個人來修訂了那所以我們交通部也要同步跟上啊\n\n03:24.363 --> 03:44.438\n好跟委員報告現在有關那個道路交通標誌標記號誌設置規則目前我們已經有修正部分的條文正在做行政程序要跟地方政府溝通因為我們各縣市的這個道路系統他的差異跟樣態很多元是我們在過程中有徵詢地方政府的相關意見\n\n03:44.998 --> 04:08.721\n是。所以我們要盡力做。那7月1號我希望不只是盤點而是該調整的要跟著調整。好。這第一點。第二個我呢來自台中我一點開我們交通部的官網我們就跳出一個視窗。這個也是我們要求交通部做是提醒但是也很傷痛。為什麼?因為呢我們113年1月的道路交通事故的統計裡面\n\n04:10.302 --> 04:32.109\n我們台中市是各縣市裡面的第一名而這種第一名是非常不好的第一名十三人數我們325我們可以看到說我們從去年一直在重視行人安全到現在結果所有的宣導、工程、法規都在進行但是我們的交通事故還是持續在攀升部長你認為為什麼我覺得很擔心\n\n04:36.450 --> 04:36.470\n市長。\n\n04:57.839 --> 05:05.679\n但是各縣市不一樣部分我們現在都是用我們的福島福島專業小路下這個就是我現在跟你講的來以台中為例\n\n05:06.980 --> 05:27.934\n我上次有問過紅綠燈的路口六都之中台中最多那保護行人專用的十項號誌的比例卻最低這個是你們交通部的一個表格那上次我問的時候交通部的官員回答我啊不是所有的這個路口都一定要這個行人專用十項這個我承認不是所有的路口都要但是\n\n05:28.755 --> 05:54.554\n但是我們保護行人的專用的10項號誌現在與法有據欸我們道路交通標誌標線號誌的設置規則裡面他的第三目他有講啊行人特多的時候必須使用行人專用的10項的交他入口是可以設置的喔是要設置的喔我們現在剛三讀通過了行人交通安全設施條例裡面在第七條裡面也有講到醫療院所學校機關大眾運輸廠商等\n\n05:58.837 --> 06:20.147\n行人密集場所周邊是我們的必須要做的友善行人區行人友善區那就應該做保護行人的專用實相號誌啊那下一頁我就又盤點了我叫助理自己去盤點我們目前看到的數據上臺中市只有一百三十個入口有用這樣子的行人專用實相的設置\n\n06:21.508 --> 06:46.577\n我盤點我們光是台中市啊有醫院的啦有學校的啦在火車站周邊的啦在捷運車站周邊的或是商圈的總共就有534處我跟你猜這五百好了啦有500個可能的重大路口行人特別多的路口需要設置行人專用實相的這樣的號誌可是我們台中市目前只有130個\n\n06:48.178 --> 07:13.106\n那所以呢我要爭取中央來支持。為什麼?市長你支持嗎?我跟委員報告,我們現在4年400億可以補助喔。所以我就覺得他們,我個人非常支持這個新聞專務實相。就是剛才所提到的這些,所以我覺得若不夠的話我們現在包括我們的部分包括這個國土署的部分都可以,我們都可以補助。\n\n07:13.906 --> 07:35.159\n是。接下來我就要跟你講這件事你已經先講了喔。經費的運用要解決實際的問題要彈性我上次去內政委員會問過內政部林佑昌部長他告訴我我們這一次400億的這個編列的預算裡面內政部跟交通部都是主管機關那交通部的部分我也認為要\n\n07:36.873 --> 07:54.396\n滾動式檢討。如果地方政府真的有需要,我們中央要全力支持。因為內政部長林佑昌是跟我答應說,沒錯,我們的內政部是滾動式檢討、彈性運用,只要地方政府願意提計劃,我們都願意支持。所以部長也是同樣的態度嗎?支持,支持,非常支持。\n\n07:55.077 --> 08:12.712\n所以我就要拜託行人的安全很重要那接下來就要討論了我們這一次的修法出來要保障行人的安全那還有什麼我們這個違規祭典的新制這個我相信你也知道這個是我從交通部爬書出來的我們違規祭典的這個倍數成長職業類別的五倍數的成長非職業類別的六倍數的成長\n\n08:20.839 --> 08:36.760\n在安全的前提之下這些數字我想就是我們道安管理上的新挑戰嗎?部長那你怎麼認為?我想這樣齁在去年的確我們也是在立法院大家覺得新人第一要改啊那當然\n\n08:37.401 --> 08:59.374\n交通部當時的評估、大家的建議我們覺得也可以做。那的確也發生很多因為我們的環境還沒有整頓完,包括路邊停車還沒整頓完的很多亂象還包括檢舉達人非常比較腐爛的檢舉所以我們這一次是比較系統性的去年是臨時性的現在已經系統性的\n\n09:00.234 --> 09:28.848\n就用我們從處罰條例九十二條下售的這些相關規定就用一千兩百元系統性的從我們剛剛我剛剛第一頁開始講的啊道安的這個基本法向下很多的相關的法令我們都要去盤點要去調整啊所以我們的安全的設施設備所以為什麼我們這個行人的道路安全設施設備法已經先通過了吧這個就是要先有法而且要授權民定中央跟地方政府該做什麼事對\n\n09:30.029 --> 09:55.729\n那這些事情一理設備安全設備要先做好先規範好目前是這樣子吧所以我最後檢討時間到了我還是希望交通部我們行人用路人安全很重要那人車道我覺得這個相關的法規都要務實跟完善我不希望造成社會更大的對立好不好希望我們繼續再溝通讓這個法能夠修得更完善讓大家更安全謝謝\n\n09:59.620 --> 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