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672.791, \"score\": 0.749}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"委\", \"start\": 672.791, \"end\": 672.851, \"score\": 0.657}, {\"word\": \"員\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"主\", \"start\": 672.851, \"end\": 673.252, \"score\": 0.948}, {\"word\": \"席\", \"start\": 673.252, \"end\": 673.272, \"score\": 0.0}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:02,604 --> 00:00:24,827\n謝謝主席我們請那個主委還有銀行局政區局還有處參司副司長請黃主委銀行局局長委員長是主委早安主委我想針對著今天修正的一個草案跟主委來做一個探討是請指示其實我想就是\n\n2\n00:01:12,450 --> 00:01:36,498\n是,不過現在是由基金投信業者或是專業的不動產投資企業去做基金型的所以我們今天就是希望增加基金型是那如果就是說光是台灣目前只有7檔就是獲利低是不是有人想要投資那我們如果從馬來西亞、新加坡、美國、台灣這個同時就是說在\n\n3\n00:01:37,278 --> 00:01:39,299\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案\n\n4\n00:01:50,811 --> 00:02:09,053\n這是在一個商業市場的裡頭一個最自然的一個淘汰法還是說生存的一個法則那我想在這裡就是說為什麼發展不佳那目前就是說我們的綠色發展的一個市場到底遇到了什麼樣的一個問題\n\n5\n00:02:10,194 --> 00:02:13,375\n兩、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案\n\n6\n00:02:35,688 --> 00:02:47,202\n一般的老百姓認為說它的流通性太弱了是不是要課稅那收益要課稅又沒有投資的一個誘因主委你怎麼看待這些問題\n\n7\n00:02:48,183 --> 00:03:15,412\n其實我們從民國92年有不動產政經化條例之後其實就是用信託型的架構來做位置那其中98年的時候還同意開放開發型的那105年要同意投資國外但儘管有這兩個擴大範圍的這個措施其實到目前來講臺灣的這個整個規模大概就像您所知有不到700億左右可是你看香港那麼小它就有6400億日本有3.2兆新加坡有2.3兆那\n\n8\n00:03:17,553 --> 00:03:40,896\n規則它的架構上面其他國家都是用基金行有的是一檔基金有一個機構當然我們現在是一個機構可以發很多檔那我覺得這個組織架構可能會變成為這個它基金是不是活躍的一個原因之一因為畢竟在現在的狀況之下銀行要信託機構保管運用甚至運用它也不是直接去做它是委託另外一個機構去管\n\n9\n00:03:41,957 --> 00:03:56,338\n但是現在的基金型就是基金機構本身就也不動產就有投資人才所以就是說顯然我從你的一個談話裡頭你也同意就是說透過一個基金的一個模式我們讓這個募集可以更吸引到投資人是是是\n\n10\n00:03:57,119 --> 00:04:24,611\n所以就是說上面的三個問題都已經解決了那有沒有解決呢那我們是不是可以換款類似的一個投資項目讓民眾去參與公共的一個建設我們現在知道就是說所有所有興建中的這些公社不管是社宅還是說我們的利能還有我們很多的一個國內現在如火如荼的在進行的一些投資案那\n\n11\n00:04:25,831 --> 00:04:50,805\n這裡請教主委就是說你看喔我們光是這個一月份我們出來的一個通告就是光是那個我們開戶的股民就佔了74萬47萬47萬不好意思齁那就是說總開戶我們有1256萬相當是全台灣一半的人口那事實上小股民的一個實力非常的雄厚那如果就是說\n\n12\n00:04:51,425 --> 00:04:51,465\n議員報告案2\n\n13\n00:05:16,964 --> 00:05:39,924\n我們怕這個基金會影響房價但是公共建設是有比方說風力發電離岸發電綠能的這些發電建設都可以只要他能夠產生穩定現金流量都可以納入但我們也是目的是希望讓這些切割化的證券化的證券經過安排機構的信用的增強能夠讓小額的投資人能夠安心的投資\n\n14\n00:05:40,384 --> 00:06:03,719\n但是如果我們回到不動產證券化的話就是說有很多我們的主要的產品是在不動產那我想請教初參司如果就是說透過一個初參司的一個PPP的一個方式有沒有機會我們把這個這些錢就是說讓那個可以跟PPP合併在一起然後我們來募資呢\n\n15\n00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:32,578\n跟委員報告我們也是很希望說就是這個資金可以導引到那個我們目前正在推的政府有償取得公共服務就是有償PPP的案子裡面是所以可是主委是講說這個社會住宅是不適用的報告委員現在的草案中裡面沒有包括類似這種社宅這些住宅的性質那可不可以放進來呢主委可不可以放進來呢\n\n16\n00:06:33,887 --> 00:06:49,484\n這個我們草案是沒有當然看到時候委員會討論的時候因為我們當初是顧慮民眾覺得這個基金一個基金又到這個房市來講會不會讓民眾誤以為又要再炒房所以有這個怕這個誤會了所以就沒有放進去\n\n17\n00:06:49,904 --> 00:07:15,561\n所以就是說怕我們先暫時迴避一下所以沒有把它放進去當然尊重委員最後面在逐條討論的時候的意見是是好那謝謝主委謝謝委員我想就是說我們透過初餐的一個方式創造創造有沒有機會就是說創造就是弱勢的民眾他有比較多的一個機會可以再投資就是所以我們\n\n18\n00:07:16,221 --> 00:07:18,142\n三、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案。\n\n19\n00:07:41,095 --> 00:08:00,841\n二黃東那有固定的一個會用那保證投資人有一個固定的一個收益倒是有一個比較嚴肅的一個問題就是說在這裡我想就是來請教請教就是我們主委如果說我們增加了花型的機構讓更多的人加入的時候在管理上有沒有問題呢\n\n20\n00:08:02,113 --> 00:08:28,251\n委員您問到一個重點因為它是一般投資人可以投資的所以投資人保護很重要那治理問題很重要所以這裡面包括基金的架構裡面包括一定它的有產生穩定現金流量的資產今天我的報告有至少要到75以上那75以上的資產要產生90以上的現金收入讓它很穩定對投資人才是有保障的治理問題就是投資人保護問題是我們非常重視的\n\n21\n00:08:28,831 --> 00:08:29,392\n請局長報告\n\n22\n00:08:48,206 --> 00:09:02,130\n有很多的事項比方說關係人交易等等他最後還要受益人大會去決議不是他個別公司可以決定的局長我想請教你就是針對的第49條之二你在這裡頭有特別就是第14項裡頭有想\n\n23\n00:09:03,931 --> 00:09:30,000\n收益人的一個會議召開的一個是由出席的一個前述跟表決的一個前述及結議的一個方式你們其實只提到了這樣的一個方式你們並沒有就是說到底是多久要開一次收益人大會你只是講至少三年那有沒有機會就是說一年一次因為我們知道不動產交易的市場它不像股票市場\n\n24\n00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:52,053\n是這麼公開透明的你怎麼會知道有沒有圖令啊?這個問題你怎麼看勒?我們後面將來會有執法我們可以做細部的規範如果有必要的時候那你的執法裡頭會不會把它訂入就是說每年開一次受益人大會呢?顯然這個三年再開一次的話是非常危險的喔\n\n25\n00:09:55,107 --> 00:10:16,064\n局長我們到了執法那邊在討論但是我們目前的規劃是說至少要三年要開一個那你的態度呢你認為三年開一次比較安全還是一年開一次比較安全目前我們是用三年的方式的因為目前看國外的所以我問你啊是三年比較安全還是一年比較安全因為它開每年開的話成本會很高\n\n26\n00:10:16,772 --> 00:10:33,804\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n\n27\n00:10:46,833 --> 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包括基金的架構裡面包括一定它的有產生穩定現金流量的資產今天我的報告有至少要到75以上那75以上的資產要產生90以上的現金收入讓它很穩定對投資人才是有保障的治理問題就是投資人保護問題是我們非常重視的\n請局長報告\n有很多的事項比方說關係人交易等等他最後還要受益人大會去決議不是他個別公司可以決定的局長我想請教你就是針對的第49條之二你在這裡頭有特別就是第14項裡頭有想\n收益人的一個會議召開的一個是由出席的一個前述跟表決的一個前述及結議的一個方式你們其實只提到了這樣的一個方式你們並沒有就是說到底是多久要開一次收益人大會你只是講至少三年那有沒有機會就是說一年一次因為我們知道不動產交易的市場它不像股票市場\n是這麼公開透明的你怎麼會知道有沒有圖令啊?這個問題你怎麼看勒?我們後面將來會有執法我們可以做細部的規範如果有必要的時候那你的執法裡頭會不會把它訂入就是說每年開一次受益人大會呢?顯然這個三年再開一次的話是非常危險的喔\n局長我們到了執法那邊在討論但是我們目前的規劃是說至少要三年要開一個那你的態度呢你認為三年開一次比較安全還是一年開一次比較安全目前我們是用三年的方式的因為目前看國外的所以我問你啊是三年比較安全還是一年比較安全因為它開每年開的話成本會很高\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n謝謝主委我想就是說本席在這邊要求就是金管會評估修法後那就是說整個市場的一個成長的一個狀況跟內政部協調是不是在草案修正以後優先提出以公共建設為標的的一個商品那也希望金管會要要求每年召開受益人會議增加他的一個透明度保障小股東的一個潛意我們朝這個方向去研究好不好謝謝委員謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.604 --> 00:24.827\n謝謝主席我們請那個主委還有銀行局政區局還有處參司副司長請黃主委銀行局局長委員長是主委早安主委我想針對著今天修正的一個草案跟主委來做一個探討是請指示其實我想就是\n\n01:12.450 --> 01:36.498\n是,不過現在是由基金投信業者或是專業的不動產投資企業去做基金型的所以我們今天就是希望增加基金型是那如果就是說光是台灣目前只有7檔就是獲利低是不是有人想要投資那我們如果從馬來西亞、新加坡、美國、台灣這個同時就是說在\n\n01:37.278 --> 01:39.299\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案\n\n01:50.811 --> 02:09.053\n這是在一個商業市場的裡頭一個最自然的一個淘汰法還是說生存的一個法則那我想在這裡就是說為什麼發展不佳那目前就是說我們的綠色發展的一個市場到底遇到了什麼樣的一個問題\n\n02:10.194 --> 02:13.375\n兩、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案\n\n02:35.688 --> 02:47.202\n一般的老百姓認為說它的流通性太弱了是不是要課稅那收益要課稅又沒有投資的一個誘因主委你怎麼看待這些問題\n\n02:48.183 --> 03:15.412\n其實我們從民國92年有不動產政經化條例之後其實就是用信託型的架構來做位置那其中98年的時候還同意開放開發型的那105年要同意投資國外但儘管有這兩個擴大範圍的這個措施其實到目前來講臺灣的這個整個規模大概就像您所知有不到700億左右可是你看香港那麼小它就有6400億日本有3.2兆新加坡有2.3兆那\n\n03:17.553 --> 03:40.896\n規則它的架構上面其他國家都是用基金行有的是一檔基金有一個機構當然我們現在是一個機構可以發很多檔那我覺得這個組織架構可能會變成為這個它基金是不是活躍的一個原因之一因為畢竟在現在的狀況之下銀行要信託機構保管運用甚至運用它也不是直接去做它是委託另外一個機構去管\n\n03:41.957 --> 03:56.338\n但是現在的基金型就是基金機構本身就也不動產就有投資人才所以就是說顯然我從你的一個談話裡頭你也同意就是說透過一個基金的一個模式我們讓這個募集可以更吸引到投資人是是是\n\n03:57.119 --> 04:24.611\n所以就是說上面的三個問題都已經解決了那有沒有解決呢那我們是不是可以換款類似的一個投資項目讓民眾去參與公共的一個建設我們現在知道就是說所有所有興建中的這些公社不管是社宅還是說我們的利能還有我們很多的一個國內現在如火如荼的在進行的一些投資案那\n\n04:25.831 --> 04:50.805\n這裡請教主委就是說你看喔我們光是這個一月份我們出來的一個通告就是光是那個我們開戶的股民就佔了74萬47萬47萬不好意思齁那就是說總開戶我們有1256萬相當是全台灣一半的人口那事實上小股民的一個實力非常的雄厚那如果就是說\n\n04:51.425 --> 04:51.465\n議員報告案2\n\n05:16.964 --> 05:39.924\n我們怕這個基金會影響房價但是公共建設是有比方說風力發電離岸發電綠能的這些發電建設都可以只要他能夠產生穩定現金流量都可以納入但我們也是目的是希望讓這些切割化的證券化的證券經過安排機構的信用的增強能夠讓小額的投資人能夠安心的投資\n\n05:40.384 --> 06:03.719\n但是如果我們回到不動產證券化的話就是說有很多我們的主要的產品是在不動產那我想請教初參司如果就是說透過一個初參司的一個PPP的一個方式有沒有機會我們把這個這些錢就是說讓那個可以跟PPP合併在一起然後我們來募資呢\n\n06:05.180 --> 06:32.578\n跟委員報告我們也是很希望說就是這個資金可以導引到那個我們目前正在推的政府有償取得公共服務就是有償PPP的案子裡面是所以可是主委是講說這個社會住宅是不適用的報告委員現在的草案中裡面沒有包括類似這種社宅這些住宅的性質那可不可以放進來呢主委可不可以放進來呢\n\n06:33.887 --> 06:49.484\n這個我們草案是沒有當然看到時候委員會討論的時候因為我們當初是顧慮民眾覺得這個基金一個基金又到這個房市來講會不會讓民眾誤以為又要再炒房所以有這個怕這個誤會了所以就沒有放進去\n\n06:49.904 --> 07:15.561\n所以就是說怕我們先暫時迴避一下所以沒有把它放進去當然尊重委員最後面在逐條討論的時候的意見是是好那謝謝主委謝謝委員我想就是說我們透過初餐的一個方式創造創造有沒有機會就是說創造就是弱勢的民眾他有比較多的一個機會可以再投資就是所以我們\n\n07:16.221 --> 07:18.142\n三、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案。\n\n07:41.095 --> 08:00.841\n二黃東那有固定的一個會用那保證投資人有一個固定的一個收益倒是有一個比較嚴肅的一個問題就是說在這裡我想就是來請教請教就是我們主委如果說我們增加了花型的機構讓更多的人加入的時候在管理上有沒有問題呢\n\n08:02.113 --> 08:28.251\n委員您問到一個重點因為它是一般投資人可以投資的所以投資人保護很重要那治理問題很重要所以這裡面包括基金的架構裡面包括一定它的有產生穩定現金流量的資產今天我的報告有至少要到75以上那75以上的資產要產生90以上的現金收入讓它很穩定對投資人才是有保障的治理問題就是投資人保護問題是我們非常重視的\n\n08:28.831 --> 08:29.392\n請局長報告\n\n08:48.206 --> 09:02.130\n有很多的事項比方說關係人交易等等他最後還要受益人大會去決議不是他個別公司可以決定的局長我想請教你就是針對的第49條之二你在這裡頭有特別就是第14項裡頭有想\n\n09:03.931 --> 09:30.000\n收益人的一個會議召開的一個是由出席的一個前述跟表決的一個前述及結議的一個方式你們其實只提到了這樣的一個方式你們並沒有就是說到底是多久要開一次收益人大會你只是講至少三年那有沒有機會就是說一年一次因為我們知道不動產交易的市場它不像股票市場\n\n09:30.760 --> 09:52.053\n是這麼公開透明的你怎麼會知道有沒有圖令啊?這個問題你怎麼看勒?我們後面將來會有執法我們可以做細部的規範如果有必要的時候那你的執法裡頭會不會把它訂入就是說每年開一次受益人大會呢?顯然這個三年再開一次的話是非常危險的喔\n\n09:55.107 --> 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