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00:01:04,033\n我們持續在往下追蹤竟然發現這兩天學生出來開記者會說學校的副校長以代繳學生匯費的方法要找學生出來參選學校代表請問兩位有注意到這個事情嗎?我們有注意到這個新聞那我們現在移民看看實際的情況到底是怎樣所以你們已經積極的跟學校溝通了嗎?\n\n4\n00:01:05,465 --> 00:01:20,765\n我們還是先把這個實際的情況先把它釐清不過如果學校真的這樣做的話那是的確是很不方便那請問多久可以給我們回覆我們這個兩天是不是可以這兩天就把情況釐清來跟委員報告一個禮拜內可以嗎\n\n5\n00:01:23,327 --> 00:01:46,313\n接下來我們來看一下學生在表達很多意見甚至因為學校設施不足的問題跟學校發生討論之前台體大的事情我跟楊瓊瑛委員積極協助舞蹈系的學生那後續呢當然非常感謝教育部跟高教師快速的出面斡旋了這個事情事情得以平息可是我們收到另外一個覺得非常震撼覺得不可思議的消息當學生的舞蹈系成果畢業展的時候\n\n6\n00:01:46,493 --> 00:01:58,502\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正\n\n7\n00:02:08,247 --> 00:02:23,012\n這件事我們現在還沒有了解不過我們趕快去了解一下如果真的有這樣也是很不當的作物好那我們希望一週內你們可以盡速去理解然後跟我們辦公室再討論喔但是教育部的這個事情我相信教育部你們後來因為這個\n\n8\n00:02:23,592 --> 00:02:25,314\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案件條文規範案件條文規範案件條文規範案件\n\n9\n00:02:46,656 --> 00:03:04,964\n好謝謝那所以剛剛根據我講的這些事情不管是台北大學或是台體大的部分還有就是捍衛學生的表議權這件事情我相信教育部都要更積極的有一些進度那除了我們剛剛說一週內相關事情個案的了解之外也希望在一個月內教育部針對這個相關事情有相關調查跟檢討報告好沒有問題好謝謝好下一個兩位請回謝謝那接下來請體育署長謝謝\n\n10\n00:03:14,394 --> 00:03:31,850\n好,署長好。之前一直在跟署長談到性侵、兒虐、毒品、假球、霸凌、不當對待、零容忍的問題。我相信署長一定非常有印象。那去年12月我揭露了體育署的補助賽事中,你們有違反兒少法對孩子施以虐待的教練,繼續以顧問的名義在賽事中出現。\n\n11\n00:03:33,111 --> 00:04:01,690\n當時你們說這是林榮仁那我提醒了你們也說會去查那我們就繼續等可是呢這個會期我發現同一個教練他以顧問的名義繼續出現在同一個協會的另外一個賽事裡面當時您的回應說因為他不是拿體育署的補助款可是我們說必須要廣泛的去看林榮仁這件事情那我們也繼續等待可是在上個禮拜4月13號他又出現在相關的賽事賽後技術會議中同一個人署長你怎麼看\n\n12\n00:04:02,950 --> 00:04:06,522\n報告委員這部分我回去會要求協會將它排除在外。\n\n13\n00:04:07,642 --> 00:04:16,147\n直接說,排除在外,確定?對好,我們希望一週內可以得到相關的回應好,謝謝署長,謝謝非常謝謝署長這麼積極的態度那接下來看一下這個是體育署補助中華足協的企業聯賽上禮拜本來有一場記者會是發生什麼事情呢?因為中華足協居然讓性侵案判刑確定的球員繼續出現在登錄名單上可是後來可能消息走漏,沒關係球隊跟足協就宣稱這是誤會好,那我們來看一下\n\n14\n00:04:36,078 --> 00:04:49,986\n可是這個是體育署一年補助兩三千萬的聯賽然後其實這個選手他早在2022年的12月台南地方法院就一審判決罪名成立可是一直到2023年的6月在體育署補助的聯賽當中還出現這個選手一樣林榮忍這件事情署長你怎麼看\n\n15\n00:04:55,339 --> 00:05:15,251\n幫委員這部分我們已經要求台鋼將這名球員把他移除在球隊以外好謝謝署長謝謝那我想相關林榮仁我相信署長你一定也認同自己身為孩子的父親跟自己身為大學教授所以我在想說後續我們會再跟體育署持續保持討論關於這個林榮仁相關的政策也希望體育署可以在一個月內提供相關調查跟檢討報告可以嗎\n\n16\n00:05:16,892 --> 00:05:19,333\n兩位選手是在2023年參加亞洲短道競速滑冰錦標賽當時這是正式的國際賽事他還拿到了青年男子B組500公尺的金牌很棒對不對但是回到台灣呢他說\n\n17\n00:05:37,620 --> 00:05:43,383\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案案。»:一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具\n\n18\n00:06:03,752 --> 00:06:24,301\n而這個AB不是等級他只是分組名稱而回到當時國光獎章給獎辦法那個時候還沒有拆分所以其實是把15歲到18歲都放在同一個續獎的範圍所以也才會出現明明16歲的這個孩子他是符合原來設定的年紀規範可是因為大會的分組名稱修正體育署不願意給獎可是我們回過來看喔\n\n19\n00:06:26,802 --> 00:06:44,271\n時間也好,還有兩分鐘這個給獎這件事情呢本來單項協會在選手資格送到全國體總審查小組的時候第一關刑事審查這個小孩被刷掉了然後呢再來這個案子根本就沒有被全國體總送到國光獎金的初審會議上也就不會進入體育署的副審會議\n\n20\n00:06:45,211 --> 00:07:13,848\n所以呢對於審查結果不符這個事情選手跟家長都沒有辦法進行訴願救濟也就沒有辦法進行審查可是協會其實本來應該要為選手做更積極的爭取不是嗎我們來看這個孩子絕對不會是個案喔之前在2013年WBC棒協也是沒有把這個比賽納入國光獎章的續獎賽事當時體育署的態度是說重寬處理也就是說有沒有可能其實這個事情而且我們來下一頁\n\n21\n00:07:15,365 --> 00:07:42,709\n這個孩子的個案他目前無設獎金他只有獎章他其實是一個非常重要的鼓勵性質有沒有有沒有什麼可能發生了這個中間一連串我剛講這個事情難道我們政府不能給孩子多一點的鼓勵嗎我剛說他無設獎金他只有獎章那政府真的不能給這個孩子或是相關的選手有覺得更積極的是台灣的政府為他們做他們非常重要的後盾嗎請署長說明一下\n\n22\n00:07:43,089 --> 00:08:10,532\n八位委員這部分因為牽涉了比較細部的部分我想我回去重啟調查然後來看看是不是有機會來給這位孩子能夠有一個他的回復他的榮譽謝謝署長就是我第一個要求希望由體育署召開重啟相關調查不管是體總或是滑冰協會還有這個青年層級如果無關獎金而只是獎章鼓勵我相信署長你也認同還有什麼樣的辦法跟審查機制可以鼓勵更多的青年選手在不同的單項運動裡面\n\n23\n00:08:11,913 --> 00:08:23,823\n還有就是目前單項協會行政量能不足我相信署長你一定非常清楚還有承辦單位可能過於僵化有沒有相關賽事漏報可能的救濟進行相關辦法的修訂這個部分也拜託體育署積極進行討論是好謝謝署長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t9160\t委員然後我們在羅廷偉委員質詢完畢之後我們休息五分鐘然後我們在張雅琳委員質詢完畢之後就處理我們的臨時提案謝謝好謝謝主席那有請次長跟高教司長謝謝請次長跟高教司長高教司有來嗎好謝謝高教司有來是好\n22576\t42881\t好,早安。今天在談到這個大學法跟國體法的修正,我們來看一下高教我們目前遇到的很多個案的狀況,可是我覺得個案的狀況其實反映了整個通案的這個政策執行的問題。來,第一個就是上個禮拜我跟范雲委員陪台北大學同學在教育部前面開記者會,我想你們應該都非常清楚到底發生了什麼事情。\n43741\t64033\t我們持續在往下追蹤竟然發現這兩天學生出來開記者會說學校的副校長以代繳學生匯費的方法要找學生出來參選學校代表請問兩位有注意到這個事情嗎?我們有注意到這個新聞那我們現在移民看看實際的情況到底是怎樣所以你們已經積極的跟學校溝通了嗎?\n65465\t80765\t我們還是先把這個實際的情況先把它釐清不過如果學校真的這樣做的話那是 的確是很不方便 那請問多久可以給我們回覆我們這個兩天是不是可以這兩天就把情況釐清來跟委員報告一個禮拜內可以嗎\n83327\t106313\t接下來我們來看一下學生在表達很多意見甚至因為學校設施不足的問題跟學校發生討論之前台體大的事情我跟楊瓊瑛委員積極協助舞蹈系的學生那後續呢當然非常感謝教育部跟高教師快速的出面斡旋了這個事情事情得以平息可是我們收到另外一個覺得非常震撼覺得不可思議的消息當學生的舞蹈系成果畢業展的時候\n106493\t118502\t二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正\n128247\t143012\t這件事我們現在還沒有了解不過我們趕快去了解一下如果真的有這樣也是很不當的作物好 那我們希望一週內你們可以盡速去理解然後跟我們辦公室再討論喔但是教育部的這個事情我相信教育部你們後來因為這個\n143592\t145314\t二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案件 條文規範案件 條文規範案件 條文規範案件\n166656\t184964\t好 謝謝那所以剛剛根據我講的這些事情不管是台北大學或是台體大的部分還有就是捍衛學生的表議權這件事情我相信教育部都要更積極的有一些進度那除了我們剛剛說一週內相關事情個案的了解之外也希望在一個月內教育部針對這個相關事情有相關調查跟檢討報告好 沒有問題好 謝謝好 下一個兩位請回 謝謝那接下來請體育署長 謝謝\n194394\t211850\t好,署長好。之前一直在跟署長談到性侵、兒虐、毒品、假球、霸凌、不當對待、零容忍的問題。我相信署長一定非常有印象。那去年12月我揭露了體育署的補助賽事中,你們有違反兒少法對孩子施以虐待的教練,繼續以顧問的名義在賽事中出現。\n213111\t241690\t當時你們說這是林榮仁那我提醒了你們也說會去查那我們就繼續等可是呢這個會期我發現同一個教練他以顧問的名義繼續出現在同一個協會的另外一個賽事裡面當時您的回應說因為他不是拿體育署的補助款可是我們說必須要廣泛的去看林榮仁這件事情那我們也繼續等待可是在上個禮拜4月13號他又出現在相關的賽事賽後技術會議中同一個人署長你怎麼看\n242950\t246522\t報告委員這部分我回去會要求協會將它排除在外。\n247642\t256147\t直接說,排除在外,確定?對好,我們希望一週內可以得到相關的回應好,謝謝署長,謝謝非常謝謝署長這麼積極的態度那接下來看一下這個是體育署補助中華足協的企業聯賽上禮拜本來有一場記者會是發生什麼事情呢?因為中華足協居然讓性侵案判刑確定的球員繼續出現在登錄名單上可是後來可能消息走漏,沒關係球隊跟足協就宣稱這是誤會好,那我們來看一下\n276078\t289986\t可是這個是體育署一年補助兩三千萬的聯賽然後其實這個選手他早在2022年的12月台南地方法院就一審判決罪名成立可是一直到2023年的6月在體育署補助的聯賽當中還出現這個選手一樣林榮忍這件事情署長你怎麼看\n295339\t315251\t幫委員 這部分我們已經要求台鋼將這名球員把他移除在球隊以外好 謝謝署長 謝謝那我想相關林榮仁我相信署長你一定也認同自己身為孩子的父親跟自己身為大學教授所以我在想說後續我們會再跟體育署持續保持討論關於這個林榮仁相關的政策也希望體育署可以在一個月內提供相關調查跟檢討報告 可以嗎\n316892\t319333\t兩位選手是在2023年參加亞洲短道競速滑冰錦標賽當時這是正式的國際賽事他還拿到了青年男子B組500公尺的金牌很棒對不對但是回到台灣呢他說\n337620\t343383\t二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案 案。 »:一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案。 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»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具\n363752\t384301\t而這個AB不是等級他只是分組名稱而回到當時國光獎章給獎辦法那個時候還沒有拆分所以其實是把15歲到18歲都放在同一個續獎的範圍所以也才會出現明明16歲的這個孩子他是符合原來設定的年紀規範可是因為大會的分組名稱修正體育署不願意給獎可是我們回過來看喔\n386802\t404271\t時間也好,還有兩分鐘這個給獎這件事情呢本來單項協會在選手資格送到全國體總審查小組的時候第一關刑事審查這個小孩被刷掉了然後呢再來這個案子根本就沒有被全國體總送到國光獎金的初審會議上也就不會進入體育署的副審會議\n405211\t433848\t所以呢對於審查結果不符這個事情選手跟家長都沒有辦法進行訴願救濟也就沒有辦法進行審查可是協會其實本來應該要為選手做更積極的爭取不是嗎我們來看這個孩子絕對不會是個案喔之前在2013年WBC棒協也是沒有把這個比賽納入國光獎章的續獎賽事當時體育署的態度是說重寬處理也就是說有沒有可能其實這個事情而且我們來下一頁\n435365\t462709\t這個孩子的個案他目前無設獎金他只有獎章他其實是一個非常重要的鼓勵性質有沒有有沒有什麼可能發生了這個中間一連串我剛講這個事情難道我們政府不能給孩子多一點的鼓勵嗎我剛說他無設獎金他只有獎章那政府真的不能給這個孩子或是相關的選手有覺得更積極的是台灣的政府為他們做他們非常重要的後盾嗎請署長說明一下\n463089\t490532\t八位委員這部分因為牽涉了比較細部的部分我想我回去重啟調查然後來看看是不是有機會來給這位孩子能夠有一個他的回復他的榮譽謝謝署長就是我第一個要求希望由體育署召開重啟相關調查不管是體總或是滑冰協會還有這個青年層級如果無關獎金而只是獎章鼓勵我相信署長你也認同還有什麼樣的辦法跟審查機制可以鼓勵更多的青年選手在不同的單項運動裡面\n491913\t503823\t還有就是目前單項協會行政量能不足我相信署長你一定非常清楚還有承辦單位可能過於僵化有沒有相關賽事漏報可能的救濟進行相關辦法的修訂這個部分也拜託體育署積極進行討論是好謝謝署長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝\n","txt":"委員然後我們在羅廷偉委員質詢完畢之後我們休息五分鐘然後我們在張雅琳委員質詢完畢之後就處理我們的臨時提案謝謝好謝謝主席那有請次長跟高教司長謝謝請次長跟高教司長高教司有來嗎好謝謝高教司有來是好\n好,早安。今天在談到這個大學法跟國體法的修正,我們來看一下高教我們目前遇到的很多個案的狀況,可是我覺得個案的狀況其實反映了整個通案的這個政策執行的問題。來,第一個就是上個禮拜我跟范雲委員陪台北大學同學在教育部前面開記者會,我想你們應該都非常清楚到底發生了什麼事情。\n我們持續在往下追蹤竟然發現這兩天學生出來開記者會說學校的副校長以代繳學生匯費的方法要找學生出來參選學校代表請問兩位有注意到這個事情嗎?我們有注意到這個新聞那我們現在移民看看實際的情況到底是怎樣所以你們已經積極的跟學校溝通了嗎?\n我們還是先把這個實際的情況先把它釐清不過如果學校真的這樣做的話那是 的確是很不方便 那請問多久可以給我們回覆我們這個兩天是不是可以這兩天就把情況釐清來跟委員報告一個禮拜內可以嗎\n接下來我們來看一下學生在表達很多意見甚至因為學校設施不足的問題跟學校發生討論之前台體大的事情我跟楊瓊瑛委員積極協助舞蹈系的學生那後續呢當然非常感謝教育部跟高教師快速的出面斡旋了這個事情事情得以平息可是我們收到另外一個覺得非常震撼覺得不可思議的消息當學生的舞蹈系成果畢業展的時候\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正\n這件事我們現在還沒有了解不過我們趕快去了解一下如果真的有這樣也是很不當的作物好 那我們希望一週內你們可以盡速去理解然後跟我們辦公室再討論喔但是教育部的這個事情我相信教育部你們後來因為這個\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案件 條文規範案件 條文規範案件 條文規範案件\n好 謝謝那所以剛剛根據我講的這些事情不管是台北大學或是台體大的部分還有就是捍衛學生的表議權這件事情我相信教育部都要更積極的有一些進度那除了我們剛剛說一週內相關事情個案的了解之外也希望在一個月內教育部針對這個相關事情有相關調查跟檢討報告好 沒有問題好 謝謝好 下一個兩位請回 謝謝那接下來請體育署長 謝謝\n好,署長好。之前一直在跟署長談到性侵、兒虐、毒品、假球、霸凌、不當對待、零容忍的問題。我相信署長一定非常有印象。那去年12月我揭露了體育署的補助賽事中,你們有違反兒少法對孩子施以虐待的教練,繼續以顧問的名義在賽事中出現。\n當時你們說這是林榮仁那我提醒了你們也說會去查那我們就繼續等可是呢這個會期我發現同一個教練他以顧問的名義繼續出現在同一個協會的另外一個賽事裡面當時您的回應說因為他不是拿體育署的補助款可是我們說必須要廣泛的去看林榮仁這件事情那我們也繼續等待可是在上個禮拜4月13號他又出現在相關的賽事賽後技術會議中同一個人署長你怎麼看\n報告委員這部分我回去會要求協會將它排除在外。\n直接說,排除在外,確定?對好,我們希望一週內可以得到相關的回應好,謝謝署長,謝謝非常謝謝署長這麼積極的態度那接下來看一下這個是體育署補助中華足協的企業聯賽上禮拜本來有一場記者會是發生什麼事情呢?因為中華足協居然讓性侵案判刑確定的球員繼續出現在登錄名單上可是後來可能消息走漏,沒關係球隊跟足協就宣稱這是誤會好,那我們來看一下\n可是這個是體育署一年補助兩三千萬的聯賽然後其實這個選手他早在2022年的12月台南地方法院就一審判決罪名成立可是一直到2023年的6月在體育署補助的聯賽當中還出現這個選手一樣林榮忍這件事情署長你怎麼看\n幫委員 這部分我們已經要求台鋼將這名球員把他移除在球隊以外好 謝謝署長 謝謝那我想相關林榮仁我相信署長你一定也認同自己身為孩子的父親跟自己身為大學教授所以我在想說後續我們會再跟體育署持續保持討論關於這個林榮仁相關的政策也希望體育署可以在一個月內提供相關調查跟檢討報告 可以嗎\n兩位選手是在2023年參加亞洲短道競速滑冰錦標賽當時這是正式的國際賽事他還拿到了青年男子B組500公尺的金牌很棒對不對但是回到台灣呢他說\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案 案。 »:一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案。 »:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案。 »:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案。 »:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案 案。 »:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具\n而這個AB不是等級他只是分組名稱而回到當時國光獎章給獎辦法那個時候還沒有拆分所以其實是把15歲到18歲都放在同一個續獎的範圍所以也才會出現明明16歲的這個孩子他是符合原來設定的年紀規範可是因為大會的分組名稱修正體育署不願意給獎可是我們回過來看喔\n時間也好,還有兩分鐘這個給獎這件事情呢本來單項協會在選手資格送到全國體總審查小組的時候第一關刑事審查這個小孩被刷掉了然後呢再來這個案子根本就沒有被全國體總送到國光獎金的初審會議上也就不會進入體育署的副審會議\n所以呢對於審查結果不符這個事情選手跟家長都沒有辦法進行訴願救濟也就沒有辦法進行審查可是協會其實本來應該要為選手做更積極的爭取不是嗎我們來看這個孩子絕對不會是個案喔之前在2013年WBC棒協也是沒有把這個比賽納入國光獎章的續獎賽事當時體育署的態度是說重寬處理也就是說有沒有可能其實這個事情而且我們來下一頁\n這個孩子的個案他目前無設獎金他只有獎章他其實是一個非常重要的鼓勵性質有沒有有沒有什麼可能發生了這個中間一連串我剛講這個事情難道我們政府不能給孩子多一點的鼓勵嗎我剛說他無設獎金他只有獎章那政府真的不能給這個孩子或是相關的選手有覺得更積極的是台灣的政府為他們做他們非常重要的後盾嗎請署長說明一下\n八位委員這部分因為牽涉了比較細部的部分我想我回去重啟調查然後來看看是不是有機會來給這位孩子能夠有一個他的回復他的榮譽謝謝署長就是我第一個要求希望由體育署召開重啟相關調查不管是體總或是滑冰協會還有這個青年層級如果無關獎金而只是獎章鼓勵我相信署長你也認同還有什麼樣的辦法跟審查機制可以鼓勵更多的青年選手在不同的單項運動裡面\n還有就是目前單項協會行政量能不足我相信署長你一定非常清楚還有承辦單位可能過於僵化有沒有相關賽事漏報可能的救濟進行相關辦法的修訂這個部分也拜託體育署積極進行討論是好謝謝署長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:09.160\n委員然後我們在羅廷偉委員質詢完畢之後我們休息五分鐘然後我們在張雅琳委員質詢完畢之後就處理我們的臨時提案謝謝好謝謝主席那有請次長跟高教司長謝謝請次長跟高教司長高教司有來嗎好謝謝高教司有來是好\n\n00:22.576 --> 00:42.881\n好,早安。今天在談到這個大學法跟國體法的修正,我們來看一下高教我們目前遇到的很多個案的狀況,可是我覺得個案的狀況其實反映了整個通案的這個政策執行的問題。來,第一個就是上個禮拜我跟范雲委員陪台北大學同學在教育部前面開記者會,我想你們應該都非常清楚到底發生了什麼事情。\n\n00:43.741 --> 01:04.033\n我們持續在往下追蹤竟然發現這兩天學生出來開記者會說學校的副校長以代繳學生匯費的方法要找學生出來參選學校代表請問兩位有注意到這個事情嗎?我們有注意到這個新聞那我們現在移民看看實際的情況到底是怎樣所以你們已經積極的跟學校溝通了嗎?\n\n01:05.465 --> 01:20.765\n我們還是先把這個實際的情況先把它釐清不過如果學校真的這樣做的話那是的確是很不方便那請問多久可以給我們回覆我們這個兩天是不是可以這兩天就把情況釐清來跟委員報告一個禮拜內可以嗎\n\n01:23.327 --> 01:46.313\n接下來我們來看一下學生在表達很多意見甚至因為學校設施不足的問題跟學校發生討論之前台體大的事情我跟楊瓊瑛委員積極協助舞蹈系的學生那後續呢當然非常感謝教育部跟高教師快速的出面斡旋了這個事情事情得以平息可是我們收到另外一個覺得非常震撼覺得不可思議的消息當學生的舞蹈系成果畢業展的時候\n\n01:46.493 --> 01:58.502\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案：一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正\n\n02:08.247 --> 02:23.012\n這件事我們現在還沒有了解不過我們趕快去了解一下如果真的有這樣也是很不當的作物好那我們希望一週內你們可以盡速去理解然後跟我們辦公室再討論喔但是教育部的這個事情我相信教育部你們後來因為這個\n\n02:23.592 --> 02:25.314\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案件條文規範案件條文規範案件條文規範案件\n\n02:46.656 --> 03:04.964\n好謝謝那所以剛剛根據我講的這些事情不管是台北大學或是台體大的部分還有就是捍衛學生的表議權這件事情我相信教育部都要更積極的有一些進度那除了我們剛剛說一週內相關事情個案的了解之外也希望在一個月內教育部針對這個相關事情有相關調查跟檢討報告好沒有問題好謝謝好下一個兩位請回謝謝那接下來請體育署長謝謝\n\n03:14.394 --> 03:31.850\n好,署長好。之前一直在跟署長談到性侵、兒虐、毒品、假球、霸凌、不當對待、零容忍的問題。我相信署長一定非常有印象。那去年12月我揭露了體育署的補助賽事中,你們有違反兒少法對孩子施以虐待的教練,繼續以顧問的名義在賽事中出現。\n\n03:33.111 --> 04:01.690\n當時你們說這是林榮仁那我提醒了你們也說會去查那我們就繼續等可是呢這個會期我發現同一個教練他以顧問的名義繼續出現在同一個協會的另外一個賽事裡面當時您的回應說因為他不是拿體育署的補助款可是我們說必須要廣泛的去看林榮仁這件事情那我們也繼續等待可是在上個禮拜4月13號他又出現在相關的賽事賽後技術會議中同一個人署長你怎麼看\n\n04:02.950 --> 04:06.522\n報告委員這部分我回去會要求協會將它排除在外。\n\n04:07.642 --> 04:16.147\n直接說,排除在外,確定?對好,我們希望一週內可以得到相關的回應好,謝謝署長,謝謝非常謝謝署長這麼積極的態度那接下來看一下這個是體育署補助中華足協的企業聯賽上禮拜本來有一場記者會是發生什麼事情呢?因為中華足協居然讓性侵案判刑確定的球員繼續出現在登錄名單上可是後來可能消息走漏,沒關係球隊跟足協就宣稱這是誤會好,那我們來看一下\n\n04:36.078 --> 04:49.986\n可是這個是體育署一年補助兩三千萬的聯賽然後其實這個選手他早在2022年的12月台南地方法院就一審判決罪名成立可是一直到2023年的6月在體育署補助的聯賽當中還出現這個選手一樣林榮忍這件事情署長你怎麼看\n\n04:55.339 --> 05:15.251\n幫委員這部分我們已經要求台鋼將這名球員把他移除在球隊以外好謝謝署長謝謝那我想相關林榮仁我相信署長你一定也認同自己身為孩子的父親跟自己身為大學教授所以我在想說後續我們會再跟體育署持續保持討論關於這個林榮仁相關的政策也希望體育署可以在一個月內提供相關調查跟檢討報告可以嗎\n\n05:16.892 --> 05:19.333\n兩位選手是在2023年參加亞洲短道競速滑冰錦標賽當時這是正式的國際賽事他還拿到了青年男子B組500公尺的金牌很棒對不對但是回到台灣呢他說\n\n05:37.620 --> 05:43.383\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案案。»:一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案案。»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具\n\n06:03.752 --> 06:24.301\n而這個AB不是等級他只是分組名稱而回到當時國光獎章給獎辦法那個時候還沒有拆分所以其實是把15歲到18歲都放在同一個續獎的範圍所以也才會出現明明16歲的這個孩子他是符合原來設定的年紀規範可是因為大會的分組名稱修正體育署不願意給獎可是我們回過來看喔\n\n06:26.802 --> 06:44.271\n時間也好,還有兩分鐘這個給獎這件事情呢本來單項協會在選手資格送到全國體總審查小組的時候第一關刑事審查這個小孩被刷掉了然後呢再來這個案子根本就沒有被全國體總送到國光獎金的初審會議上也就不會進入體育署的副審會議\n\n06:45.211 --> 07:13.848\n所以呢對於審查結果不符這個事情選手跟家長都沒有辦法進行訴願救濟也就沒有辦法進行審查可是協會其實本來應該要為選手做更積極的爭取不是嗎我們來看這個孩子絕對不會是個案喔之前在2013年WBC棒協也是沒有把這個比賽納入國光獎章的續獎賽事當時體育署的態度是說重寬處理也就是說有沒有可能其實這個事情而且我們來下一頁\n\n07:15.365 --> 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»:二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具"},{"start":363.752,"end":384.301,"text":"而這個AB不是等級他只是分組名稱而回到當時國光獎章給獎辦法那個時候還沒有拆分所以其實是把15歲到18歲都放在同一個續獎的範圍所以也才會出現明明16歲的這個孩子他是符合原來設定的年紀規範可是因為大會的分組名稱修正體育署不願意給獎可是我們回過來看喔"},{"start":386.802,"end":404.271,"text":"時間也好,還有兩分鐘這個給獎這件事情呢本來單項協會在選手資格送到全國體總審查小組的時候第一關刑事審查這個小孩被刷掉了然後呢再來這個案子根本就沒有被全國體總送到國光獎金的初審會議上也就不會進入體育署的副審會議"},{"start":405.211,"end":433.848,"text":"所以呢對於審查結果不符這個事情選手跟家長都沒有辦法進行訴願救濟也就沒有辦法進行審查可是協會其實本來應該要為選手做更積極的爭取不是嗎我們來看這個孩子絕對不會是個案喔之前在2013年WBC棒協也是沒有把這個比賽納入國光獎章的續獎賽事當時體育署的態度是說重寬處理也就是說有沒有可能其實這個事情而且我們來下一頁"},{"start":435.365,"end":462.709,"text":"這個孩子的個案他目前無設獎金他只有獎章他其實是一個非常重要的鼓勵性質有沒有有沒有什麼可能發生了這個中間一連串我剛講這個事情難道我們政府不能給孩子多一點的鼓勵嗎我剛說他無設獎金他只有獎章那政府真的不能給這個孩子或是相關的選手有覺得更積極的是台灣的政府為他們做他們非常重要的後盾嗎請署長說明一下"},{"start":463.089,"end":490.532,"text":"八位委員這部分因為牽涉了比較細部的部分我想我回去重啟調查然後來看看是不是有機會來給這位孩子能夠有一個他的回復他的榮譽謝謝署長就是我第一個要求希望由體育署召開重啟相關調查不管是體總或是滑冰協會還有這個青年層級如果無關獎金而只是獎章鼓勵我相信署長你也認同還有什麼樣的辦法跟審查機制可以鼓勵更多的青年選手在不同的單項運動裡面"},{"start":491.913,"end":503.823,"text":"還有就是目前單項協會行政量能不足我相信署長你一定非常清楚還有承辦單位可能過於僵化有沒有相關賽事漏報可能的救濟進行相關辦法的修訂這個部分也拜託體育署積極進行討論是好謝謝署長謝謝謝謝主席謝謝"}]}}}}