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00:03:41,238\n我們主計處其實也注意到我們在整個的通膨的壓力之下那麼我們現在的房租是持續的年增率是飆升那事實上在去年在去年的結束的時候就是我們的房租的年增率已經達到27年來的新高那麼\n\n11\n00:03:42,999 --> 00:04:11,432\n到今年第一季過去了前三個月每一個月的房租年增率都超過了2%那也就是我們已經連續8個月都破了兩趴也是創下紀錄所以主計長你覺不覺得在我們整個所有的通膨的壓力之下我們現在所有的租屋族其實是壓力最大的一個族群之一\n\n12\n00:04:12,373 --> 00:04:28,430\n所以我們有那個租金的300億的租金的政策就是說讓這個是比較尤其是年輕的人他的租金的壓力能夠變小我們有就是說有推行這個政策。總統你覺得為什麼從\n\n13\n00:04:31,753 --> 00:04:43,449\n去年開始事實上是其實這幾年租屋族的壓力都非常非常的大造成我們租屋的這個一直要漲價的主要原因你覺得是什麼?\n\n14\n00:04:44,057 --> 00:05:05,536\n那個就是因為房屋的建築成本增加黃東的那個可是有很多都是老房子啊那個老房子的話我可以跟那個委員報告一下老房子的話我們是用一種受賺的所以是老房子因為新房子的增加老房子也會增加因為老房子為什麼增加因為通膨的壓力\n\n15\n00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:25,513\n需求需求也是通膨的壓力然後我看到你們一個新聞說主計總處說還有升息的壓力其實當時在央行要宣布升息的時候其實很多的房東\n\n16\n00:05:26,394 --> 00:05:29,097\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2\n\n17\n00:05:41,311 --> 00:05:46,334\n沒有去談到漲電價漲電價絕對對租屋族是相當大的壓力第一個央行為什麼升息央行會違背國際的潮流去升息就是因為怕電價推升物價另外一個你知道你如果現在去看各大的租屋網光是電價的部分每度電他們全部都已經調高了\n\n18\n00:06:05,146 --> 00:06:26,516\n在4月調升之前他就開始調高所以我們在這邊就是我想主席想因為雖然你快要那個離開主席長的位置但是我們現在的電價調整也就是能源政策的一個錯誤他不僅僅只是造成最近比如說你看整個的缺電然後很多的跳電的問題\n\n19\n00:06:28,117 --> 00:06:48,725\n還有其實它所帶來的是來自於我們通膨的壓力中央銀行的貨幣政策還有租屋族的壓力你同不同意跟那個委員報告一下的確有些是說那個電費的漲它的房租會增加但是有些他們在計算的時候房租他們跟那個電費是兩個獨立的是獨立的算\n\n20\n00:06:52,567 --> 00:07:20,529\n對,獨立算,所以它電價就漲啊,那個租屋族也是漲啊,因為租屋族它是被動,因為我的這個時間也有限但是呢,我要講就是說,我們現在真的要去正視我們整個租屋族的壓力我覺得我們政府好像沒有去,除了主計處,其他好像沒有特別去重視已經連續8個月多破2%,而且一直不停的上漲,我覺得對租屋族來講是非常大的壓力\n\n21\n00:07:21,129 --> 00:07:46,443\n那另外那個主席長想請問一下我們今年二倍金動用了嗎二倍金有些來申請動用但是目前還沒有支付那我們現在就是這一次的花蓮震災會不會動用二倍金目前並沒有要動用二倍金它在4月3號發生震災的時候我們就主計總處就在當天有撥啦\n\n22\n00:07:49,324 --> 00:07:53,909\n主計長我想請問一下以花蓮縣政災的規模這麼大因為包含東華大學包含整個太盧閣很多景區的一個復建是不是應該編列特別預算\n\n23\n00:08:09,111 --> 00:08:18,985\n那個編列特別預算可以討論到如果是說金額小的話編列特別預算是不是有必要可以請大院作為一個參考\n\n24\n00:08:20,103 --> 00:08:46,194\n所以是特別列特別預算那另外請問一下主計長主計長雖然可能馬上要那個離開位置因為我們現在呢在財委會有很多委員提出我們那個預算法的修正那麼預算法第83條第4款比如說我就提出來第4款直接刪除但是我想請問主計長你應該對預算法管管爛熟比我還要熟悉了\n\n25\n00:08:47,136 --> 00:09:02,754\n如果83條第4款把它刪除請問一下像0403花蓮這樣重大的災害可不可以編列特別預算那個是可以利用第三款那個是可以的\n\n26\n00:09:03,194 --> 00:09:31,822\n沒有錯嘛他利用第三款是可以繼續再對重大災害有些像那個是我們像前些時候的前瞻就是利用第四款他是利用第四款像前瞻利用第三款可是比如過去的一些重大災害是可以利用第三款所以完全不會影響重大災害或者是經濟重大災變的這些的就是特別預算的編列對不對\n\n27\n00:09:33,112 --> 00:09:59,545\n對那個是要看那個他所做的事項是什麼啦那如果是因為主計長你最熟預算法因為前一陣子呢有很多的一些我直接說一些側翼針對我們對預算法的修正把他汙名化說哎呀這樣呢花蓮正宅就不能夠編列特別預算這個根本就是胡說八道啊那個跟委員說明一下如果是正宅\n\n28\n00:10:00,485 --> 00:10:24,593\n有關的是可以用第三款如果是因為地震要復原的話就要回到第四款復原的話就可以用公務預算就不能不能夠用特別預算了嗎對那個我可以認同委員的觀點但是我們現在0403現在如果要編列特別預算是可以的嗎\n\n29\n00:10:26,438 --> 00:10:39,923\n我是認為說可以討論因為我看到那個貴黨提出來才150億要分3年那就像委員所講的是不是可以在普通預算裡面容納\n\n30\n00:10:40,816 --> 00:10:41,797\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案\n\n31\n00:10:58,829 --> 00:11:27,015\n二倍金花了這麼多錢在打砸結果呢賬片頻創新高啊浪費我們那麼多納稅人的錢做了很多的宣傳啊結果呢我們的不管是案件數或金額數都只有在升高所以未來各部會我又沒有時間比較下面還要剪好幾個部會動用二倍金長年就在編列長年的來用二倍金其實都是不合理的\n\n32\n00:11:27,595 --> 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--> 00:06.552\n主席\n\n00:20.256 --> 00:35.547\n主席長,剛才您說可能在520之後您不在這個位置上,可能會在其他位置上。我沒有說在其他位置上,我沒有,現在沒有人找我。好,反正沒關係,現在沒有人找你。\n\n00:37.128 --> 00:37.148\n是對。\n\n01:00.250 --> 01:02.951\n1991年財富分配報告1991年財富分配報告1991年財富分配報告1991年財富分配報告1991年財富分配報告\n\n01:22.961 --> 01:25.043\n前20%跟後20%的差距是16.8倍所以當時有討論到我們的財富分配等於說前20跟後20有16.8倍時隔30年\n\n01:42.062 --> 02:08.114\n我想因為你們這一定做了非常久那請問一下這個財富分配的倍數有沒有擴張到20倍以上跟那個委員報告一下因為這個是我們要經過那個所謂的國事普查委員會要經過委員會的審查我們才能夠公布這個委員會要核定是不是對要他們核定到如果我公布就是違反規定我先講就是違反規定\n\n02:09.815 --> 02:29.941\n你現在公布的時間是4月底確定了嗎?對,我們一定會公布因為這個是在我的時候我再來主計總書我就有個使命叫希望有一個財富分配的報告所以我請我們的同仁努力要做這一塊把它做出來讓這個將來作為政策的\n\n02:34.562 --> 02:54.616\n主計講因為你是在你卸任之前就是你的使命把它完成可是我覺得過去其實我們每30年才公布一次家庭財富的分配報告事實上真的等太久那當然我們也會期待有些要突破\n\n02:57.309 --> 02:58.450\n三、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算決議．有關審計\n\n03:18.288 --> 03:41.238\n我們主計處其實也注意到我們在整個的通膨的壓力之下那麼我們現在的房租是持續的年增率是飆升那事實上在去年在去年的結束的時候就是我們的房租的年增率已經達到27年來的新高那麼\n\n03:42.999 --> 04:11.432\n到今年第一季過去了前三個月每一個月的房租年增率都超過了2%那也就是我們已經連續8個月都破了兩趴也是創下紀錄所以主計長你覺不覺得在我們整個所有的通膨的壓力之下我們現在所有的租屋族其實是壓力最大的一個族群之一\n\n04:12.373 --> 04:28.430\n所以我們有那個租金的300億的租金的政策就是說讓這個是比較尤其是年輕的人他的租金的壓力能夠變小我們有就是說有推行這個政策。總統你覺得為什麼從\n\n04:31.753 --> 04:43.449\n去年開始事實上是其實這幾年租屋族的壓力都非常非常的大造成我們租屋的這個一直要漲價的主要原因你覺得是什麼?\n\n04:44.057 --> 05:05.536\n那個就是因為房屋的建築成本增加黃東的那個可是有很多都是老房子啊那個老房子的話我可以跟那個委員報告一下老房子的話我們是用一種受賺的所以是老房子因為新房子的增加老房子也會增加因為老房子為什麼增加因為通膨的壓力\n\n05:09.759 --> 05:25.513\n需求需求也是通膨的壓力然後我看到你們一個新聞說主計總處說還有升息的壓力其實當時在央行要宣布升息的時候其實很多的房東\n\n05:26.394 --> 05:29.097\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2\n\n05:41.311 --> 05:46.334\n沒有去談到漲電價漲電價絕對對租屋族是相當大的壓力第一個央行為什麼升息央行會違背國際的潮流去升息就是因為怕電價推升物價另外一個你知道你如果現在去看各大的租屋網光是電價的部分每度電他們全部都已經調高了\n\n06:05.146 --> 06:26.516\n在4月調升之前他就開始調高所以我們在這邊就是我想主席想因為雖然你快要那個離開主席長的位置但是我們現在的電價調整也就是能源政策的一個錯誤他不僅僅只是造成最近比如說你看整個的缺電然後很多的跳電的問題\n\n06:28.117 --> 06:48.725\n還有其實它所帶來的是來自於我們通膨的壓力中央銀行的貨幣政策還有租屋族的壓力你同不同意跟那個委員報告一下的確有些是說那個電費的漲它的房租會增加但是有些他們在計算的時候房租他們跟那個電費是兩個獨立的是獨立的算\n\n06:52.567 --> 07:20.529\n對,獨立算,所以它電價就漲啊,那個租屋族也是漲啊,因為租屋族它是被動,因為我的這個時間也有限但是呢,我要講就是說,我們現在真的要去正視我們整個租屋族的壓力我覺得我們政府好像沒有去,除了主計處,其他好像沒有特別去重視已經連續8個月多破2%,而且一直不停的上漲,我覺得對租屋族來講是非常大的壓力\n\n07:21.129 --> 07:46.443\n那另外那個主席長想請問一下我們今年二倍金動用了嗎二倍金有些來申請動用但是目前還沒有支付那我們現在就是這一次的花蓮震災會不會動用二倍金目前並沒有要動用二倍金它在4月3號發生震災的時候我們就主計總處就在當天有撥啦\n\n07:49.324 --> 07:53.909\n主計長我想請問一下以花蓮縣政災的規模這麼大因為包含東華大學包含整個太盧閣很多景區的一個復建是不是應該編列特別預算\n\n08:09.111 --> 08:18.985\n那個編列特別預算可以討論到如果是說金額小的話編列特別預算是不是有必要可以請大院作為一個參考\n\n08:20.103 --> 08:46.194\n所以是特別列特別預算那另外請問一下主計長主計長雖然可能馬上要那個離開位置因為我們現在呢在財委會有很多委員提出我們那個預算法的修正那麼預算法第83條第4款比如說我就提出來第4款直接刪除但是我想請問主計長你應該對預算法管管爛熟比我還要熟悉了\n\n08:47.136 --> 09:02.754\n如果83條第4款把它刪除請問一下像0403花蓮這樣重大的災害可不可以編列特別預算那個是可以利用第三款那個是可以的\n\n09:03.194 --> 09:31.822\n沒有錯嘛他利用第三款是可以繼續再對重大災害有些像那個是我們像前些時候的前瞻就是利用第四款他是利用第四款像前瞻利用第三款可是比如過去的一些重大災害是可以利用第三款所以完全不會影響重大災害或者是經濟重大災變的這些的就是特別預算的編列對不對\n\n09:33.112 --> 09:59.545\n對那個是要看那個他所做的事項是什麼啦那如果是因為主計長你最熟預算法因為前一陣子呢有很多的一些我直接說一些側翼針對我們對預算法的修正把他汙名化說哎呀這樣呢花蓮正宅就不能夠編列特別預算這個根本就是胡說八道啊那個跟委員說明一下如果是正宅\n\n10:00.485 --> 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