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00:01:50,693\n第二十九條2016年的民進黨版本跟2020年差別在哪裏?第一個民進黨在新的版本這個閹割版當中把檢察總長、中選會主委、公平會主委、NCC主委的同意權從院會移到委員會審查\n\n7\n00:01:51,954 --> 00:02:15,801\n然後而且刪掉了2016年審查意見擬具報告提送院會他刪除審查期不得少於一個月的規定也就把我們的審查的密度跟期程縮短那更重要的是他把表決從記名改成無記名表決門檻也閹割本來在民進黨2016年版本是全體一半現在也是全體一半\n\n8\n00:02:16,801 --> 00:02:25,873\n他自己閹割掉啊,變成出席委員一半,變比較少啊,門檻比較低啊。所以我要跟各位講啊,我要想要請教一下我們的秘書長。\n\n9\n00:02:27,435 --> 00:02:52,361\n到底我們今天的表決以現在我們的立法院正副院長我們現在都改採記名表決嘛已經大家都往這討論嘛民進黨也認同啊所以民進黨的技術性的記名亮票都已經在做啦那為什麼人事同意權今天結果我們民進黨的自我閹割版本的把它改成所謂的無記名呢你認同覺得現在還是人事審查權要無記名嗎\n\n10\n00:02:54,346 --> 00:03:22,258\n我想大概由委員來決定這一個到底要不要記名不記名啦那版本裡面來看是因為在禮拜一裡面大部分都是用記名表決啦來方式來處理那現在的民進黨今天的提案版本是寫無記名啦那自己剛才有提到是一個現行法裡面的處理是不是憲政的\n\n11\n00:03:23,078 --> 00:03:27,181\n一、民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院職權行使法部分條文擬具:「立法院職權行使法第十五條之一條文\n\n12\n00:03:43,931 --> 00:03:54,049\n我才為什麼一直剛剛跟我們柯總要講說什麼東施、孝平齁我說這今天不是用東施、孝平來看啊但你眼睛是放在2016年版本你知道稀釋捧心啊\n\n13\n00:03:54,972 --> 00:03:56,313\n二、委員呂玲等16人擬具:「立法院職權行使法部分條之一條文\n\n14\n00:04:15,020 --> 00:04:38,681\n民進黨的第30條在2016版本他是要求被提名人學歷、經歷、財產、稅務、刑案記錄所有這些離離口口的相關資料都要拿出來喔欸今天2024年全部刪掉了所以被提名人的學歷、經歷、財產、稅務、刑案記錄都不重要嗎還是今天被提名人愛丟什麼資料就丟什麼資料\n\n15\n00:04:41,084 --> 00:05:01,181\n我想要問一下秘書長就是說基本上到底我們是不是應該對被提名人在審查更慎重資料更周全比較好呢審查密度能夠更高當然是比較會更卓越對被提名人會比較更了解接下來我們再看這個第45條\n\n16\n00:05:04,434 --> 00:05:10,584\n第四十五條在2016年的版本跟2024年版本最大的差別在於說\n\n17\n00:05:11,667 --> 00:05:36,441\n他就採取所謂的僅限於什麼樣情況之下我要跟各位講這立法的文字你應該正面表列先查法都正面表列那你還先自我告訴大家說什麼情況之下不能行使不能行使自然有相關法律跟憲法的規定但是不用這個卑躬屈膝道還要特別強調說我們只能如何如何才能開始進行所謂調查權\n\n18\n00:05:37,381 --> 00:06:05,620\n那再來就講所謂的調閱我們講調查委員會跟專案小組的部分第46條民進黨的2016跟2024版本就是刪除了新的版本刪除了文件可在會期外調閱的規定那將調查專案小組改為調閱專案小組全線限縮只能要求機關就特定案提供參考文件\n\n19\n00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:27,265\n必要時才能夠要求文件原本。」2016年的民進黨不是這個樣子。我想請教我們的秘書長,會期並不限制立法權吧?我們在國會的調查權是屬於立法權輔助性權利,為什麼要用會期來限制我們今天的調查權呢?\n\n20\n00:06:29,537 --> 00:06:55,006\n以現行法來當時我們在理的說是這一個委員會或是小組成立一定在會期中啦至於在調閱的這個時間上是不受這一個在修會前是可以行使的然後另外吼要求竟然是只要求參考文件我真的是覺得說民進黨真的不要把立法院搞成行政機關的小媳婦啦小媳婦啦\n\n21\n00:06:55,726 --> 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方式來處理那現在的民進黨今天的提案版本是寫無記名啦那自己剛才有提到是一個現行法裡面的處理是不是憲政的\n一、民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院職權行使法部分條文擬具:「立法院職權行使法第十五條之一條文\n我才為什麼一直剛剛跟我們柯總要講說什麼東施、孝平齁我說這今天不是用東施、孝平來看啊但你眼睛是放在2016年版本你知道稀釋捧心啊\n二、委員呂玲等16人擬具:「立法院職權行使法部分條之一條文\n民進黨的第30條在2016版本他是要求被提名人學歷、經歷、財產、稅務、刑案記錄所有這些離離口口的相關資料都要拿出來喔欸今天2024年全部刪掉了所以被提名人的學歷、經歷、財產、稅務、刑案記錄都不重要嗎還是今天被提名人愛丟什麼資料就丟什麼資料\n我想要問一下秘書長就是說基本上到底我們是不是應該對被提名人在審查更慎重資料更周全比較好呢審查密度能夠更高當然是比較會更卓越對被提名人會比較更了解接下來我們再看這個第45條\n第四十五條在2016年的版本跟2024年版本最大的差別在於說\n他就採取所謂的僅限於什麼樣情況之下我要跟各位講這立法的文字你應該正面表列先查法都正面表列那你還先自我告訴大家說什麼情況之下不能行使不能行使自然有相關法律跟憲法的規定但是不用這個卑躬屈膝道還要特別強調說我們只能如何如何才能開始進行所謂調查權\n那再來就講所謂的調閱我們講調查委員會跟專案小組的部分第46條民進黨的2016跟2024版本就是刪除了新的版本刪除了文件可在會期外調閱的規定那將調查專案小組改為調閱專案小組全線限縮只能要求機關就特定案提供參考文件\n必要時才能夠要求文件原本。」2016年的民進黨不是這個樣子。我想請教我們的秘書長,會期並不限制立法權吧?我們在國會的調查權是屬於立法權輔助性權利,為什麼要用會期來限制我們今天的調查權呢?\n以現行法來當時我們在理的說是這一個委員會或是小組成立一定在會期中啦至於在調閱的這個時間上是不受這一個在修會前是可以行使的然後另外吼要求竟然是只要求參考文件我真的是覺得說民進黨真的不要把立法院搞成行政機關的小媳婦啦小媳婦啦\n那各位抱歉另外我再講一次比較嚴重一點的還有一點就是什麼呢還有一點就是民進黨這48條的部分那也很厲害他48條裡面呢他本來是說這個虛偽陳述的\n要處罰要罰虛偽陳述特別強調說謊官員要罰這是2016年民進黨版本裡面的可是我不懂為什麼2024年版本特別別把虛偽陳述拿掉特別跟大家講說抱歉我新的版本我沒有要處理說謊官員啦我現在請問秘書長說謊官員官員可以在立法院說謊嗎\n我上次已經報告過了就是因為這個裡面我們現行上並沒有對這方面有做規範我上次在上一次我已經有說我要跟秘書長說的也跟我們所有的民眾說的\n就是說這一段時間你會發現我們在談國會聽證調查以及尤其官員處罰的這個部分我發現民進黨有一個新的民進黨的朋友不敢說全部的民進黨有一個新的辯護的方式就是說官員在這個聽證調查竟然沒有說謊的權利啦我又發現會有這樣的一個印象就是2024年民進黨的版本當中竟然把虛偽不實陳述拿掉\n這個版本能看嗎?我真是覺得民進黨你對不起我們2016年的民進黨啦以上\n條文。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.858 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03:22.258\n我想大概由委員來決定這一個到底要不要記名不記名啦那版本裡面來看是因為在禮拜一裡面大部分都是用記名表決啦來方式來處理那現在的民進黨今天的提案版本是寫無記名啦那自己剛才有提到是一個現行法裡面的處理是不是憲政的\n\n03:23.078 --> 03:27.181\n一、民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院職權行使法部分條文擬具:「立法院職權行使法第十五條之一條文\n\n03:43.931 --> 03:54.049\n我才為什麼一直剛剛跟我們柯總要講說什麼東施、孝平齁我說這今天不是用東施、孝平來看啊但你眼睛是放在2016年版本你知道稀釋捧心啊\n\n03:54.972 --> 03:56.313\n二、委員呂玲等16人擬具:「立法院職權行使法部分條之一條文\n\n04:15.020 --> 04:38.681\n民進黨的第30條在2016版本他是要求被提名人學歷、經歷、財產、稅務、刑案記錄所有這些離離口口的相關資料都要拿出來喔欸今天2024年全部刪掉了所以被提名人的學歷、經歷、財產、稅務、刑案記錄都不重要嗎還是今天被提名人愛丟什麼資料就丟什麼資料\n\n04:41.084 --> 05:01.181\n我想要問一下秘書長就是說基本上到底我們是不是應該對被提名人在審查更慎重資料更周全比較好呢審查密度能夠更高當然是比較會更卓越對被提名人會比較更了解接下來我們再看這個第45條\n\n05:04.434 --> 05:10.584\n第四十五條在2016年的版本跟2024年版本最大的差別在於說\n\n05:11.667 --> 05:36.441\n他就採取所謂的僅限於什麼樣情況之下我要跟各位講這立法的文字你應該正面表列先查法都正面表列那你還先自我告訴大家說什麼情況之下不能行使不能行使自然有相關法律跟憲法的規定但是不用這個卑躬屈膝道還要特別強調說我們只能如何如何才能開始進行所謂調查權\n\n05:37.381 --> 06:05.620\n那再來就講所謂的調閱我們講調查委員會跟專案小組的部分第46條民進黨的2016跟2024版本就是刪除了新的版本刪除了文件可在會期外調閱的規定那將調查專案小組改為調閱專案小組全線限縮只能要求機關就特定案提供參考文件\n\n06:06.440 --> 06:27.265\n必要時才能夠要求文件原本。」2016年的民進黨不是這個樣子。我想請教我們的秘書長,會期並不限制立法權吧?我們在國會的調查權是屬於立法權輔助性權利,為什麼要用會期來限制我們今天的調查權呢?\n\n06:29.537 --> 06:55.006\n以現行法來當時我們在理的說是這一個委員會或是小組成立一定在會期中啦至於在調閱的這個時間上是不受這一個在修會前是可以行使的然後另外吼要求竟然是只要求參考文件我真的是覺得說民進黨真的不要把立法院搞成行政機關的小媳婦啦小媳婦啦\n\n06:55.726 --> 07:10.313\n那各位抱歉另外我再講一次比較嚴重一點的還有一點就是什麼呢還有一點就是民進黨這48條的部分那也很厲害他48條裡面呢他本來是說這個虛偽陳述的\n\n07:12.754 --> 07:32.960\n要處罰要罰虛偽陳述特別強調說謊官員要罰這是2016年民進黨版本裡面的可是我不懂為什麼2024年版本特別別把虛偽陳述拿掉特別跟大家講說抱歉我新的版本我沒有要處理說謊官員啦我現在請問秘書長說謊官員官員可以在立法院說謊嗎\n\n07:39.104 --> 07:53.490\n我上次已經報告過了就是因為這個裡面我們現行上並沒有對這方面有做規範我上次在上一次我已經有說我要跟秘書長說的也跟我們所有的民眾說的\n\n07:55.916 --> 08:21.947\n就是說這一段時間你會發現我們在談國會聽證調查以及尤其官員處罰的這個部分我發現民進黨有一個新的民進黨的朋友不敢說全部的民進黨有一個新的辯護的方式就是說官員在這個聽證調查竟然沒有說謊的權利啦我又發現會有這樣的一個印象就是2024年民進黨的版本當中竟然把虛偽不實陳述拿掉\n\n08:23.574 --> 08:27.656\n這個版本能看嗎?我真是覺得民進黨你對不起我們2016年的民進黨啦以上\n\n08:58.445 --> 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方式來處理那現在的民進黨今天的提案版本是寫無記名啦那自己剛才有提到是一個現行法裡面的處理是不是憲政的"},{"start":203.078,"end":207.181,"text":"一、民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院職權行使法部分條文擬具:「立法院職權行使法第十五條之一條文"},{"start":223.931,"end":234.049,"text":"我才為什麼一直剛剛跟我們柯總要講說什麼東施、孝平齁我說這今天不是用東施、孝平來看啊但你眼睛是放在2016年版本你知道稀釋捧心啊"},{"start":234.972,"end":236.313,"text":"二、委員呂玲等16人擬具:「立法院職權行使法部分條之一條文"},{"start":255.02,"end":278.681,"text":"民進黨的第30條在2016版本他是要求被提名人學歷、經歷、財產、稅務、刑案記錄所有這些離離口口的相關資料都要拿出來喔欸今天2024年全部刪掉了所以被提名人的學歷、經歷、財產、稅務、刑案記錄都不重要嗎還是今天被提名人愛丟什麼資料就丟什麼資料"},{"start":281.084,"end":301.181,"text":"我想要問一下秘書長就是說基本上到底我們是不是應該對被提名人在審查更慎重資料更周全比較好呢審查密度能夠更高當然是比較會更卓越對被提名人會比較更了解接下來我們再看這個第45條"},{"start":304.434,"end":310.584,"text":"第四十五條在2016年的版本跟2024年版本最大的差別在於說"},{"start":311.667,"end":336.441,"text":"他就採取所謂的僅限於什麼樣情況之下我要跟各位講這立法的文字你應該正面表列先查法都正面表列那你還先自我告訴大家說什麼情況之下不能行使不能行使自然有相關法律跟憲法的規定但是不用這個卑躬屈膝道還要特別強調說我們只能如何如何才能開始進行所謂調查權"},{"start":337.381,"end":365.62,"text":"那再來就講所謂的調閱我們講調查委員會跟專案小組的部分第46條民進黨的2016跟2024版本就是刪除了新的版本刪除了文件可在會期外調閱的規定那將調查專案小組改為調閱專案小組全線限縮只能要求機關就特定案提供參考文件"},{"start":366.44,"end":387.265,"text":"必要時才能夠要求文件原本。」2016年的民進黨不是這個樣子。我想請教我們的秘書長,會期並不限制立法權吧?我們在國會的調查權是屬於立法權輔助性權利,為什麼要用會期來限制我們今天的調查權呢?"},{"start":389.537,"end":415.006,"text":"以現行法來當時我們在理的說是這一個委員會或是小組成立一定在會期中啦至於在調閱的這個時間上是不受這一個在修會前是可以行使的然後另外吼要求竟然是只要求參考文件我真的是覺得說民進黨真的不要把立法院搞成行政機關的小媳婦啦小媳婦啦"},{"start":415.726,"end":430.313,"text":"那各位抱歉另外我再講一次比較嚴重一點的還有一點就是什麼呢還有一點就是民進黨這48條的部分那也很厲害他48條裡面呢他本來是說這個虛偽陳述的"},{"start":432.754,"end":452.96,"text":"要處罰要罰虛偽陳述特別強調說謊官員要罰這是2016年民進黨版本裡面的可是我不懂為什麼2024年版本特別別把虛偽陳述拿掉特別跟大家講說抱歉我新的版本我沒有要處理說謊官員啦我現在請問秘書長說謊官員官員可以在立法院說謊嗎"},{"start":459.104,"end":473.49,"text":"我上次已經報告過了就是因為這個裡面我們現行上並沒有對這方面有做規範我上次在上一次我已經有說我要跟秘書長說的也跟我們所有的民眾說的"},{"start":475.916,"end":501.947,"text":"就是說這一段時間你會發現我們在談國會聽證調查以及尤其官員處罰的這個部分我發現民進黨有一個新的民進黨的朋友不敢說全部的民進黨有一個新的辯護的方式就是說官員在這個聽證調查竟然沒有說謊的權利啦我又發現會有這樣的一個印象就是2024年民進黨的版本當中竟然把虛偽不實陳述拿掉"},{"start":503.574,"end":507.656,"text":"這個版本能看嗎?我真是覺得民進黨你對不起我們2016年的民進黨啦以上"},{"start":538.445,"end":538.466,"text":"條文。"}]}}}}