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00:01:48,800\n主要是根據我們教育部的公務預算那也會去爭取行政院的一個災害的準備金或是第二級備金對,但是我想問的是比較軟體的部分就是學生畢業這件事情因為他的研究受到影響或是師生的論文這件事情是,剛才委員報告目前比如說學生有需要比如說因為實驗室等等我們有協調附近像慈濟大學等等來做協助那也讓師生一定都可以特別是學生一定能夠順利完成他的學業\n\n6\n00:01:49,700 --> 00:02:10,728\n老師升等的部分會不會有受到影響呢?不會,有需要我們都會全面的來協助。好,那這部分的話可能我們還是會持續的來關心這個部分。那再來就是說,因為這次的大火這麼嚴重啊,那主要原因是因為說花蓮雖然有化學消防車,但是是屬於泡沫型的化學消防車,並不是這一次火災所需要的乾粉型喔。\n\n7\n00:02:12,389 --> 00:02:40,937\n那這個我看了一下我想每一次發生一個事件都是一個檢查我們現在流程的一個很好的機會所以我看到大專院校其實是有一個校園安全手冊裡面有規定每一年至少要開一次校園安全聯繫協調匯報要來號召我們相關的檢調警政消防公務交通地震等等的單位來協助學校來處理校園跟周邊安全的問題\n\n8\n00:02:42,864 --> 00:03:07,102\n那這一次呢這次的大火呢其實是花蓮在地消防隊無法撲滅的而我認為這應該是如果我們有開這個會我們應該事前就知道我們花蓮現場是沒有辦法處理的可是這一次卻好像變成是現場我看那個新聞喔是現場消防員才知道這件事情經校方告知才知道這件事情所以我想要問的是說\n\n9\n00:03:08,303 --> 00:03:28,150\n我們到底有沒有學校有沒有落實我們現在所有的普遍的大學有沒有落實這一個會議那這個是不是可以請次長來回覆一下不過我先說一下我並沒有要苛責東華大學的意思因為我覺得幸好他們還是有在現場講啦不然就會造成民洋大火的問題所以可不可以請次長針對這一題\n\n10\n00:03:29,871 --> 00:03:51,604\n是,跟委員報告,基本上我們現在會針對,其實我們當然不會去苛責東華大學,我們現在全力協助他來處理災損,這是最優先事項,但是我們現在會以這個做一個案例,因為現在要用這個案例來看,到底他有發生哪些更衣問題,那現在初步看起來有兩個,\n\n11\n00:03:52,745 --> 00:04:21,116\n一個是剛委員所指出的這個校園安全聯繫的協導匯報這裡面我們會再來充分了解一下目前各學校執行狀況不過可能很重要的一件事情是從這次案例看出來是說實驗室要特別挑出來看因為可能大家一般來講的話比較想像到的是一般的消防情況但是我們的大學最主要是在實驗室這次發生也是因為實驗室所以那第二個方向就是說\n\n12\n00:04:22,438 --> 00:04:40,046\n不能光是依靠外在力量,現在我們可能要求學校就針對自己的實驗室做一個盤查,特別在總務這些方面,要針對這些實驗室要先自主做第一線去擋住的這個規劃,那這個是另外一個我們現在要去努力的方向。\n\n13\n00:04:40,759 --> 00:04:54,878\n好謝謝次長因為其實我以前在英國念書的時候我們念危機管理就是在講要設想一個最糟糕的狀況是我們要怎麼樣去處理喔所以這個實驗室其實在台灣有非常多學校都有所以這一點其實一定要務必盤查因為不然這樣後面造成的\n\n14\n00:04:56,139 --> 00:05:20,017\n財務的損失當然是其次可是學生、師生的安全是非常重要的那再來就是延續剛剛段宇委員問的這個委員大學法的問題就是說我們已經20年沒有修那我剛剛也有聽到次長有在回覆說我們現在已經有辦公聽會了那這些公聽會是都有邀請一些學校的一些學生代表的團體一起來加入嘛因為這一次發生的前陣子發生的台北大學的問題就是\n\n15\n00:05:21,158 --> 00:05:35,840\n學校在行政會議上處理了跟學生權利有影響到的問題。所以這次的公聽會是有邀請到學生代表團體來參與的嗎?有,都有邀請。好,那我想要了解就是說我們目前那個進度規劃是怎樣?\n\n16\n00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:51,580\n因為我們公聽會已經辦理完畢不過我們辦理了九次不過跟委員報告這裡大學法修正的時候牽涉到的最厲害團體彼此的意見老實說有些是蠻尖銳的\n\n17\n00:05:52,481 --> 00:06:13,169\n但是我們還是再整理一下,那因為我們另外也有一個研究報告,那我們會根據這個就是持續的往下走,因為包含今天我們在場也還有另外一個大學法的修正草案,這我們都會列進來,那我們下期應該是再往下走就會再把它提上來。所以我們相關的排程預計是,現在是有個排程規劃嗎?可以說明一下嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:14,630 --> 00:06:33,582\n目前的排程我想應該是我們把這整理完最快看能不能下個會期,那就可以把它列上議程,不過這當然還要看接下來的,因為還是跟委員報告,但是我們一定把它列入一個重要的就是交接的要完成的事項。\n\n19\n00:06:34,202 --> 00:06:52,974\n對,因為這件事情非常重要,因為它已經這麼多年沒修,那我覺得時代的變化其實一直不停地在改變,我們還是需要與時俱進啦,所以還是要請教育部跟相關的利益團體做溝通啦,我們來把這件事情持續地去推進。再來下一個問題,就是其實前陣子二月的時候學生們也有來抗議一件事情,就是有關遊蕩犬的。\n\n20\n00:06:54,875 --> 00:06:56,156\n大學其實跟其他學校不同的地方在於說校園是一個開放空間\n\n21\n00:07:18,067 --> 00:07:31,592\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案案案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體\n\n22\n00:07:34,093 --> 00:07:53,895\n那再來就是說因為這個選資的攻擊事件其實是持續的增加那我看到我們的遊覽權的指引裡面是有去說我們要去清查要去清查現在的這些數量啊然後會去做一些盤點這樣子然後有一個消安通報的機制\n\n23\n00:07:55,436 --> 00:08:11,004\n但是我想問一下這件事情是在6月底之前就會完成嗎?因為下一個學期就要開始了,所以6月底就會完成嗎?這進度是這樣子?好,那其中有一個訴求,就是說學生是說我現在看那個草案裡面是沒有講到安置遊蕩權的部分。\n\n24\n00:08:11,864 --> 00:08:29,374\n那遊蕩權會造成除了是私生的問題之外私生的安全問題因為學生是每天都要去上學的他每天都在這樣子的高風險下那第二個問題是說他可能會影響到之前臺北臺大那個白鼻腥的問題影響到臺灣原生種的問題所以我想問一下這個安置的部分規劃是什麼\n\n25\n00:08:30,646 --> 00:08:42,152\n委員初步的規劃方向是請地方的動保單位來協助安置那我們現在已經跟地方我們現在已經跟動保司有取到一個合作的我們跟農委會這邊有一直跟農業部跟那個應該是動保\n\n26\n00:08:46,514 --> 00:09:10,144\n還是那個後面負責的?委員報告我們跟農業部有初步達成共識就是有關於學校假設有遊蕩犬隻不當攻擊的時候那要進行初步安置那會請這個地方政府的動保單位來協助進行初步的安置這都已經講好了嗎?所以因為其實影響到的學校其實蠻多的\n\n27\n00:09:10,584 --> 00:09:22,336\n所以這所有的學生在這一次的回應就是這個六月的回應也都會告訴很明確的告訴學校這件事情是可以用這種方式學生的訴求都有納進去考慮了OK好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2297\t18512\t張雅琳委員姜蕙琳委員姜蕙琳委員\n25899\t47580\t委員早市長好我想大家都很關注這次東華大學失火的問題前面已經有委員關心有關於硬體的部分接下來我想我們就針對於因為這個實驗室大火造成很多學生他的畢業還有師生的一些論文都會有一些問題我不曉得說目前教育部的規劃是怎麼樣會來協助處理這個問題\n50055\t63288\t是不是先跟委員報告在財損部分4月10號我們到東華已經做了初步的這個部分不用回答我已經看到我在前面有聽到了那協助書生的這部分我們是不是請我們副市長做一個更具體的答覆好 謝謝\n66656\t75567\t根據東華大學所造成的這些損害的話目前我們大概是會積極除了用協助師生來處理會分三年來處理\n81414\t108800\t主要是根據我們教育部的公務預算那也會去爭取行政院的一個災害的準備金或是第二級備金對,但是我想問的是比較軟體的部分就是學生畢業這件事情因為他的研究受到影響或是師生的論文這件事情是,剛才委員報告目前比如說學生有需要比如說因為實驗室等等我們有協調附近像慈濟大學等等來做協助那也讓師生一定都可以特別是學生一定能夠順利完成他的學業\n109700\t130728\t老師升等的部分會不會有受到影響呢?不會,有需要我們都會全面的來協助。好,那這部分的話可能我們還是會持續的來關心這個部分。那再來就是說,因為這次的大火這麼嚴重啊,那主要原因是因為說花蓮雖然有化學消防車,但是是屬於泡沫型的化學消防車,並不是這一次火災所需要的乾粉型喔。\n132389\t160937\t那這個我看了一下我想每一次發生一個事件都是一個檢查我們現在流程的一個很好的機會所以我看到大專院校其實是有一個校園安全手冊裡面有規定每一年至少要開一次校園安全聯繫協調匯報要來號召我們相關的檢調警政消防公務交通地震等等的單位來協助學校來處理校園跟周邊安全的問題\n162864\t187102\t那這一次呢這次的大火呢其實是花蓮在地消防隊無法撲滅的而我認為這應該是如果我們有開這個會我們應該事前就知道我們花蓮現場是沒有辦法處理的可是這一次卻好像變成是現場我看那個新聞喔是現場消防員才知道這件事情經校方告知才知道這件事情所以我想要問的是說\n188303\t208150\t我們到底有沒有學校有沒有落實我們現在所有的普遍的大學有沒有落實這一個會議那這個是不是可以請次長來回覆一下不過我先說一下我並沒有要苛責東華大學的意思因為我覺得幸好他們還是有在現場講啦不然就會造成民洋大火的問題所以可不可以請次長針對這一題\n209871\t231604\t是,跟委員報告,基本上我們現在會針對,其實我們當然不會去苛責東華大學,我們現在全力協助他來處理災損,這是最優先事項,但是我們現在會以這個做一個案例,因為現在要用這個案例來看,到底他有發生哪些更衣問題,那現在初步看起來有兩個,\n232745\t261116\t一個是剛委員所指出的這個校園安全聯繫的協導匯報這裡面我們會再來充分了解一下目前各學校執行狀況不過可能很重要的一件事情是從這次案例看出來是說實驗室要特別挑出來看因為可能大家一般來講的話比較想像到的是一般的消防情況但是我們的大學最主要是在實驗室這次發生也是因為實驗室所以那第二個方向就是說\n262438\t280046\t不能光是依靠外在力量,現在我們可能要求學校就針對自己的實驗室做一個盤查,特別在總務這些方面,要針對這些實驗室要先自主做第一線去擋住的這個規劃,那這個是另外一個我們現在要去努力的方向。\n280759\t294878\t好 謝謝次長因為其實我以前在英國念書的時候我們念危機管理就是在講要設想一個最糟糕的狀況是我們要怎麼樣去處理喔所以這個實驗室其實在台灣有非常多學校都有所以這一點其實一定要務必盤查因為不然這樣後面造成的\n296139\t320017\t財務的損失當然是其次可是學生、師生的安全是非常重要的那再來就是延續剛剛段宇委員問的這個委員大學法的問題就是說我們已經20年沒有修那我剛剛也有聽到次長有在回覆說我們現在已經有辦公聽會了那這些公聽會是都有邀請一些學校的一些學生代表的團體一起來加入嘛因為這一次發生的前陣子發生的台北大學的問題就是\n321158\t335840\t學校在行政會議上處理了跟學生權利有影響到的問題。所以這次的公聽會是有邀請到學生代表團體來參與的嗎?有,都有邀請。好,那我想要了解就是說我們目前那個進度規劃是怎樣?\n337079\t351580\t因為我們公聽會已經辦理完畢不過我們辦理了九次不過跟委員報告這裡大學法修正的時候牽涉到的最厲害團體彼此的意見老實說有些是蠻尖銳的\n352481\t373169\t但是我們還是再整理一下,那因為我們另外也有一個研究報告,那我們會根據這個就是持續的往下走,因為包含今天我們在場也還有另外一個大學法的修正草案,這我們都會列進來,那我們下期應該是再往下走就會再把它提上來。所以我們相關的排程預計是,現在是有個排程規劃嗎?可以說明一下嗎?\n374630\t393582\t目前的排程我想應該是我們把這整理完最快看能不能下個會期,那就可以把它列上議程,不過這當然還要看接下來的,因為還是跟委員報告,但是我們一定把它列入一個重要的就是交接的要完成的事項。\n394202\t412974\t對,因為這件事情非常重要,因為它已經這麼多年沒修,那我覺得時代的變化其實一直不停地在改變,我們還是需要與時俱進啦,所以還是要請教育部跟相關的利益團體做溝通啦,我們來把這件事情持續地去推進。再來下一個問題,就是其實前陣子二月的時候學生們也有來抗議一件事情,就是有關遊蕩犬的。\n414875\t416156\t大學其實跟其他學校不同的地方在於說校園是一個開放空間\n438067\t451592\t二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案案案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體\n454093\t473895\t那再來就是說因為這個選資的攻擊事件其實是持續的增加那我看到我們的遊覽權的指引裡面是有去說我們要去清查要去清查現在的這些數量啊然後會去做一些盤點這樣子然後有一個消安通報的機制\n475436\t491004\t但是我想問一下這件事情是在6月底之前就會完成嗎?因為下一個學期就要開始了,所以6月底就會完成嗎?這進度是這樣子?好,那其中有一個訴求,就是說學生是說我現在看那個草案裡面是沒有講到安置遊蕩權的部分。\n491864\t509374\t那遊蕩權會造成除了是私生的問題之外私生的安全問題因為學生是每天都要去上學的他每天都在這樣子的高風險下那第二個問題是說他可能會影響到之前臺北臺大那個白鼻腥的問題影響到臺灣原生種的問題所以我想問一下這個安置的部分規劃是什麼\n510646\t522152\t委員初步的規劃方向是請地方的動保單位來協助安置那我們現在已經跟地方我們現在已經跟動保司有取到一個合作的我們跟農委會這邊有一直跟農業部跟那個應該是動保\n526514\t550144\t還是那個後面負責的?委員報告我們跟農業部有初步達成共識就是有關於學校假設有遊蕩犬隻不當攻擊的時候那要進行初步安置那會請這個地方政府的動保單位來協助進行初步的安置這都已經講好了嗎?所以因為其實影響到的學校其實蠻多的\n550584\t562336\t所以這所有的學生在這一次的回應就是這個六月的回應也都會告訴很明確的告訴學校這件事情是可以用這種方式學生的訴求都有納進去考慮了OK 好 謝謝\n","txt":"張雅琳委員姜蕙琳委員姜蕙琳委員\n委員早市長好我想大家都很關注這次東華大學失火的問題前面已經有委員關心有關於硬體的部分接下來我想我們就針對於因為這個實驗室大火造成很多學生他的畢業還有師生的一些論文都會有一些問題我不曉得說目前教育部的規劃是怎麼樣會來協助處理這個問題\n是不是先跟委員報告在財損部分4月10號我們到東華已經做了初步的這個部分不用回答我已經看到我在前面有聽到了那協助書生的這部分我們是不是請我們副市長做一個更具體的答覆好 謝謝\n根據東華大學所造成的這些損害的話目前我們大概是會積極除了用協助師生來處理會分三年來處理\n主要是根據我們教育部的公務預算那也會去爭取行政院的一個災害的準備金或是第二級備金對,但是我想問的是比較軟體的部分就是學生畢業這件事情因為他的研究受到影響或是師生的論文這件事情是,剛才委員報告目前比如說學生有需要比如說因為實驗室等等我們有協調附近像慈濟大學等等來做協助那也讓師生一定都可以特別是學生一定能夠順利完成他的學業\n老師升等的部分會不會有受到影響呢?不會,有需要我們都會全面的來協助。好,那這部分的話可能我們還是會持續的來關心這個部分。那再來就是說,因為這次的大火這麼嚴重啊,那主要原因是因為說花蓮雖然有化學消防車,但是是屬於泡沫型的化學消防車,並不是這一次火災所需要的乾粉型喔。\n那這個我看了一下我想每一次發生一個事件都是一個檢查我們現在流程的一個很好的機會所以我看到大專院校其實是有一個校園安全手冊裡面有規定每一年至少要開一次校園安全聯繫協調匯報要來號召我們相關的檢調警政消防公務交通地震等等的單位來協助學校來處理校園跟周邊安全的問題\n那這一次呢這次的大火呢其實是花蓮在地消防隊無法撲滅的而我認為這應該是如果我們有開這個會我們應該事前就知道我們花蓮現場是沒有辦法處理的可是這一次卻好像變成是現場我看那個新聞喔是現場消防員才知道這件事情經校方告知才知道這件事情所以我想要問的是說\n我們到底有沒有學校有沒有落實我們現在所有的普遍的大學有沒有落實這一個會議那這個是不是可以請次長來回覆一下不過我先說一下我並沒有要苛責東華大學的意思因為我覺得幸好他們還是有在現場講啦不然就會造成民洋大火的問題所以可不可以請次長針對這一題\n是,跟委員報告,基本上我們現在會針對,其實我們當然不會去苛責東華大學,我們現在全力協助他來處理災損,這是最優先事項,但是我們現在會以這個做一個案例,因為現在要用這個案例來看,到底他有發生哪些更衣問題,那現在初步看起來有兩個,\n一個是剛委員所指出的這個校園安全聯繫的協導匯報這裡面我們會再來充分了解一下目前各學校執行狀況不過可能很重要的一件事情是從這次案例看出來是說實驗室要特別挑出來看因為可能大家一般來講的話比較想像到的是一般的消防情況但是我們的大學最主要是在實驗室這次發生也是因為實驗室所以那第二個方向就是說\n不能光是依靠外在力量,現在我們可能要求學校就針對自己的實驗室做一個盤查,特別在總務這些方面,要針對這些實驗室要先自主做第一線去擋住的這個規劃,那這個是另外一個我們現在要去努力的方向。\n好 謝謝次長因為其實我以前在英國念書的時候我們念危機管理就是在講要設想一個最糟糕的狀況是我們要怎麼樣去處理喔所以這個實驗室其實在台灣有非常多學校都有所以這一點其實一定要務必盤查因為不然這樣後面造成的\n財務的損失當然是其次可是學生、師生的安全是非常重要的那再來就是延續剛剛段宇委員問的這個委員大學法的問題就是說我們已經20年沒有修那我剛剛也有聽到次長有在回覆說我們現在已經有辦公聽會了那這些公聽會是都有邀請一些學校的一些學生代表的團體一起來加入嘛因為這一次發生的前陣子發生的台北大學的問題就是\n學校在行政會議上處理了跟學生權利有影響到的問題。所以這次的公聽會是有邀請到學生代表團體來參與的嗎?有,都有邀請。好,那我想要了解就是說我們目前那個進度規劃是怎樣?\n因為我們公聽會已經辦理完畢不過我們辦理了九次不過跟委員報告這裡大學法修正的時候牽涉到的最厲害團體彼此的意見老實說有些是蠻尖銳的\n但是我們還是再整理一下,那因為我們另外也有一個研究報告,那我們會根據這個就是持續的往下走,因為包含今天我們在場也還有另外一個大學法的修正草案,這我們都會列進來,那我們下期應該是再往下走就會再把它提上來。所以我們相關的排程預計是,現在是有個排程規劃嗎?可以說明一下嗎?\n目前的排程我想應該是我們把這整理完最快看能不能下個會期,那就可以把它列上議程,不過這當然還要看接下來的,因為還是跟委員報告,但是我們一定把它列入一個重要的就是交接的要完成的事項。\n對,因為這件事情非常重要,因為它已經這麼多年沒修,那我覺得時代的變化其實一直不停地在改變,我們還是需要與時俱進啦,所以還是要請教育部跟相關的利益團體做溝通啦,我們來把這件事情持續地去推進。再來下一個問題,就是其實前陣子二月的時候學生們也有來抗議一件事情,就是有關遊蕩犬的。\n大學其實跟其他學校不同的地方在於說校園是一個開放空間\n二、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案案案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體育法第五條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具:「國民體\n那再來就是說因為這個選資的攻擊事件其實是持續的增加那我看到我們的遊覽權的指引裡面是有去說我們要去清查要去清查現在的這些數量啊然後會去做一些盤點這樣子然後有一個消安通報的機制\n但是我想問一下這件事情是在6月底之前就會完成嗎?因為下一個學期就要開始了,所以6月底就會完成嗎?這進度是這樣子?好,那其中有一個訴求,就是說學生是說我現在看那個草案裡面是沒有講到安置遊蕩權的部分。\n那遊蕩權會造成除了是私生的問題之外私生的安全問題因為學生是每天都要去上學的他每天都在這樣子的高風險下那第二個問題是說他可能會影響到之前臺北臺大那個白鼻腥的問題影響到臺灣原生種的問題所以我想問一下這個安置的部分規劃是什麼\n委員初步的規劃方向是請地方的動保單位來協助安置那我們現在已經跟地方我們現在已經跟動保司有取到一個合作的我們跟農委會這邊有一直跟農業部跟那個應該是動保\n還是那個後面負責的?委員報告我們跟農業部有初步達成共識就是有關於學校假設有遊蕩犬隻不當攻擊的時候那要進行初步安置那會請這個地方政府的動保單位來協助進行初步的安置這都已經講好了嗎?所以因為其實影響到的學校其實蠻多的\n所以這所有的學生在這一次的回應就是這個六月的回應也都會告訴很明確的告訴學校這件事情是可以用這種方式學生的訴求都有納進去考慮了OK 好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.297 --> 00:18.512\n張雅琳委員姜蕙琳委員姜蕙琳委員\n\n00:25.899 --> 00:47.580\n委員早市長好我想大家都很關注這次東華大學失火的問題前面已經有委員關心有關於硬體的部分接下來我想我們就針對於因為這個實驗室大火造成很多學生他的畢業還有師生的一些論文都會有一些問題我不曉得說目前教育部的規劃是怎麼樣會來協助處理這個問題\n\n00:50.055 --> 01:03.288\n是不是先跟委員報告在財損部分4月10號我們到東華已經做了初步的這個部分不用回答我已經看到我在前面有聽到了那協助書生的這部分我們是不是請我們副市長做一個更具體的答覆好謝謝\n\n01:06.656 --> 01:15.567\n根據東華大學所造成的這些損害的話目前我們大概是會積極除了用協助師生來處理會分三年來處理\n\n01:21.414 --> 01:48.800\n主要是根據我們教育部的公務預算那也會去爭取行政院的一個災害的準備金或是第二級備金對,但是我想問的是比較軟體的部分就是學生畢業這件事情因為他的研究受到影響或是師生的論文這件事情是,剛才委員報告目前比如說學生有需要比如說因為實驗室等等我們有協調附近像慈濟大學等等來做協助那也讓師生一定都可以特別是學生一定能夠順利完成他的學業\n\n01:49.700 --> 02:10.728\n老師升等的部分會不會有受到影響呢?不會,有需要我們都會全面的來協助。好,那這部分的話可能我們還是會持續的來關心這個部分。那再來就是說,因為這次的大火這麼嚴重啊,那主要原因是因為說花蓮雖然有化學消防車,但是是屬於泡沫型的化學消防車,並不是這一次火災所需要的乾粉型喔。\n\n02:12.389 --> 02:40.937\n那這個我看了一下我想每一次發生一個事件都是一個檢查我們現在流程的一個很好的機會所以我看到大專院校其實是有一個校園安全手冊裡面有規定每一年至少要開一次校園安全聯繫協調匯報要來號召我們相關的檢調警政消防公務交通地震等等的單位來協助學校來處理校園跟周邊安全的問題\n\n02:42.864 --> 03:07.102\n那這一次呢這次的大火呢其實是花蓮在地消防隊無法撲滅的而我認為這應該是如果我們有開這個會我們應該事前就知道我們花蓮現場是沒有辦法處理的可是這一次卻好像變成是現場我看那個新聞喔是現場消防員才知道這件事情經校方告知才知道這件事情所以我想要問的是說\n\n03:08.303 --> 03:28.150\n我們到底有沒有學校有沒有落實我們現在所有的普遍的大學有沒有落實這一個會議那這個是不是可以請次長來回覆一下不過我先說一下我並沒有要苛責東華大學的意思因為我覺得幸好他們還是有在現場講啦不然就會造成民洋大火的問題所以可不可以請次長針對這一題\n\n03:29.871 --> 03:51.604\n是,跟委員報告,基本上我們現在會針對,其實我們當然不會去苛責東華大學,我們現在全力協助他來處理災損,這是最優先事項,但是我們現在會以這個做一個案例,因為現在要用這個案例來看,到底他有發生哪些更衣問題,那現在初步看起來有兩個,\n\n03:52.745 --> 04:21.116\n一個是剛委員所指出的這個校園安全聯繫的協導匯報這裡面我們會再來充分了解一下目前各學校執行狀況不過可能很重要的一件事情是從這次案例看出來是說實驗室要特別挑出來看因為可能大家一般來講的話比較想像到的是一般的消防情況但是我們的大學最主要是在實驗室這次發生也是因為實驗室所以那第二個方向就是說\n\n04:22.438 --> 04:40.046\n不能光是依靠外在力量,現在我們可能要求學校就針對自己的實驗室做一個盤查,特別在總務這些方面,要針對這些實驗室要先自主做第一線去擋住的這個規劃,那這個是另外一個我們現在要去努力的方向。\n\n04:40.759 --> 04:54.878\n好謝謝次長因為其實我以前在英國念書的時候我們念危機管理就是在講要設想一個最糟糕的狀況是我們要怎麼樣去處理喔所以這個實驗室其實在台灣有非常多學校都有所以這一點其實一定要務必盤查因為不然這樣後面造成的\n\n04:56.139 --> 05:20.017\n財務的損失當然是其次可是學生、師生的安全是非常重要的那再來就是延續剛剛段宇委員問的這個委員大學法的問題就是說我們已經20年沒有修那我剛剛也有聽到次長有在回覆說我們現在已經有辦公聽會了那這些公聽會是都有邀請一些學校的一些學生代表的團體一起來加入嘛因為這一次發生的前陣子發生的台北大學的問題就是\n\n05:21.158 --> 05:35.840\n學校在行政會議上處理了跟學生權利有影響到的問題。所以這次的公聽會是有邀請到學生代表團體來參與的嗎?有,都有邀請。好,那我想要了解就是說我們目前那個進度規劃是怎樣?\n\n05:37.079 --> 05:51.580\n因為我們公聽會已經辦理完畢不過我們辦理了九次不過跟委員報告這裡大學法修正的時候牽涉到的最厲害團體彼此的意見老實說有些是蠻尖銳的\n\n05:52.481 --> 06:13.169\n但是我們還是再整理一下,那因為我們另外也有一個研究報告,那我們會根據這個就是持續的往下走,因為包含今天我們在場也還有另外一個大學法的修正草案,這我們都會列進來,那我們下期應該是再往下走就會再把它提上來。所以我們相關的排程預計是,現在是有個排程規劃嗎?可以說明一下嗎?\n\n06:14.630 --> 06:33.582\n目前的排程我想應該是我們把這整理完最快看能不能下個會期,那就可以把它列上議程,不過這當然還要看接下來的,因為還是跟委員報告,但是我們一定把它列入一個重要的就是交接的要完成的事項。\n\n06:34.202 --> 06:52.974\n對,因為這件事情非常重要,因為它已經這麼多年沒修,那我覺得時代的變化其實一直不停地在改變,我們還是需要與時俱進啦,所以還是要請教育部跟相關的利益團體做溝通啦,我們來把這件事情持續地去推進。再來下一個問題,就是其實前陣子二月的時候學生們也有來抗議一件事情,就是有關遊蕩犬的。\n\n06:54.875 --> 06:56.156\n大學其實跟其他學校不同的地方在於說校園是一個開放空間\n\n07:18.067 --> 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