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00:02:34,467\n當然要恢復啊所以也就是說我們一再說要強調我們的一個就是在電線的韌性上面你們現在也沒有辦法做到嗎這不是缺電的問題可是問題電網韌性還是有問題啊在桃園集中這樣子連續三天不知道是第四度還第五度已經數不清楚了所以我覺得在這一點對桃園居民是非常非常的不公平\n\n9\n00:02:51,132 --> 00:02:56,857\n那另外剛才林德福委員也特別提到其實尤其你們剛剛調整電價然後就發生連續的大停電剛才我在我們的財委會還在問主計長主計處在講說我們現在的通膨壓力當然有來自於電價的上漲\n\n10\n00:03:10,589 --> 00:03:15,878\n而我們現在通膨壓力下其實有關於房租我們房租已經連續8個月到3月份連續8個月都超過2%這是過去從來沒有發生過的\n\n11\n00:03:23,342 --> 00:03:42,730\n所以也就是這樣通膨壓力還有升息大家也知道央行升息就為了為了你漲電價嘛所以我們一直在講錯誤的能源政策一定要改弦易張一定要跟動當然你馬上要離開經濟部我希望未來的新政府應該針對我們的能源政策應該做全面的去做檢討那另外請教部長我們今天\n\n12\n00:03:49,472 --> 00:04:01,197\n你們是核能發電的後端營運基金報告請問一下你們何時會啟動核三廠的核廢料處置因為你們要讓他除疫呀什麼時候會啟動核三廠核廢料處置\n\n13\n00:04:05,287 --> 00:04:30,364\n因為核三廠它目前的用過核燃料的部分不多嘛對不對對它大概還有5年的容量所以我們大概包含一二號機組都還有5年容量對是嗎對所以現在不需要啟動核三廠所以這就是部長啊我們為什麼在講說我們希望核電延益核電延益現在全世界潮流都是如此\n\n14\n00:04:31,244 --> 00:04:37,087\n美國研議日本研議美國現在有些電廠還要把它延到80年那當然他們會要經過一些評估所以我們一直在講你們常常用核二廠說哎呀這個核燃料棒啊這個呃這個呃他的該市儲存潮那每次說啊新北市政府怎麼樣怎麼樣問題可是核三廠剛才也講核三廠的核燃料標根本沒有滿\n\n15\n00:04:54,295 --> 00:05:16,605\n所以核三廠其實是可以在你們研議的開始可是為什麼不做呢?是發言委員基本上如果說核三廠雖然它只有5年可是我研議的部分你還是需要後面的你現在就可以開始開始來做所以我就說你到現在你的意思說你根本不用去做核三廠的核廢料處置\n\n16\n00:05:17,805 --> 00:05:32,048\n但是在我們現在整個的電源的就整個能源結構極不穩定而且現在看起來都要調高電價的一個狀況之下我在這邊還是重申雖然部長或者也許你們我不曉得會不會有職務的調動我還是覺得你們能夠以民生為念\n\n17\n00:05:38,490 --> 00:06:02,915\n以我們的產業發展為念能夠把這個核電廠可以開始啟動研議計劃。我們有修法呀我們有修法你們行政院也可以提出版本啊你們行政院如果要做的話也不需要我們立法院沒有修法你們也在做現在我們還有修法啊很多人還說我們修法是幫你們解套其實我覺得我是幫全台灣人解套啊\n\n18\n00:06:07,276 --> 00:06:25,695\n是不是我們今天不必不需要為了什麼政治之爭、政黨之爭而是我相信部長自己本身也提到太多產業界的意見了吧到現在為止如果我們還不做一些更動我們還不能夠做一些改變還要死守著反核神主白\n\n19\n00:06:26,235 --> 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對不對對它大概還有5年的容量所以我們大概包含一二號機組都還有5年容量對是嗎對所以現在不需要啟動核三廠所以這就是部長啊我們為什麼在講說我們希望核電延益核電延益現在全世界潮流都是如此\n美國研議日本研議美國現在有些電廠還要把它延到80年那當然他們會要經過一些評估所以我們一直在講你們常常用核二廠說哎呀這個核燃料棒啊這個呃這個呃他的該市儲存潮那每次說啊新北市政府怎麼樣怎麼樣問題可是核三廠剛才也講核三廠的核燃料標根本沒有滿\n所以核三廠其實是可以在你們研議的開始可是為什麼不做呢?是 發言委員基本上如果說核三廠雖然它只有5年可是我研議的部分你還是需要後面的你現在就可以開始開始來做所以我就說你到現在你的意思說你根本不用去做核三廠的核廢料處置\n但是在我們現在整個的電源的就整個能源結構極不穩定而且現在看起來都要調高電價的一個狀況之下我在這邊還是重申雖然部長或者也許你們我不曉得會不會有職務的調動我還是覺得你們能夠以民生為念\n以我們的產業發展為念能夠把這個核電廠可以開始啟動研議計劃。我們有修法呀我們有修法你們行政院也可以提出版本啊你們行政院如果要做的話也不需要我們立法院沒有修法你們也在做現在我們還有修法啊很多人還說我們修法是幫你們解套其實我覺得我是幫全台灣人解套啊\n是不是我們今天不必不需要為了什麼政治之爭、政黨之爭而是我相信部長自己本身也提到太多產業界的意見了吧到現在為止如果我們還不做一些更動我們還不能夠做一些改變還要死守著反核神主白\n還要死守住2025非核家園的神主牌那麼全台灣要付出慘痛的代價這個我時間到了我希望即便是在部長即將卸任仍然苦口婆心今天你們如果能夠動念一下能夠為整個的產業發展民生用電我們現在的電價如果按照這樣走下去電價只會上漲然後我們整個通膨只會加重然後我們的所有的租屋族只會苦不堪言謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:13.263\n王鴻薇委員請做詢答好謝謝主席我請王部長我們再請王部長\n\n00:20.177 --> 00:30.629\n您應該知道這幾天桃園的居民非常崩潰因為到今天早上連續三天的大停電而且今天早上的停電範圍將近一萬戶幾乎已經是分區在停電\n\n00:36.921 --> 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