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00:00:45,745\n我們昨天談到的是融資公司專法那今天早上臺北律師公會也開了一個記者會他們也提出了民間的版本那我想這幾天大家都在討論不管是山道猴子還是說現在的三大租賃公司他們現在已經是我國最大的銀子銀行\n\n3\n00:00:46,886 --> 00:01:13,863\n那融資公司現在的亂象已經超越當年的銀行卡債的風暴那現在它的債務吹收違約金的上限還有利率的上限甚至貸款審核的責任都沒有任何辦法可以管主委這是我們認為它是民間借貸但是它跟我們銀行高度監管跟高度管控的這樣的手法完全不一樣\n\n4\n00:01:15,224 --> 00:01:44,174\n現在今天像律師公會他們提出來的現在是一張照片就可以核代買一個電冰箱拍一張電冰箱的照片就可以核代20萬這才是今天融資公司法必須有存在的必要性主委我知道你們有很多疑慮對於這樣的現象主委有什麼看法一張照片可以貸款20萬一個買一個冰箱可以貸款20萬這是什麼樣的融資公司\n\n5\n00:01:44,634 --> 00:02:01,874\n對,其實委員您指正的很對,因為傳統上銀行受信應該是以那個財產的價值,longtovalue,信貸比,他那個有點是不動,優先收債權收買,我們已經要求主任工會去訂內部融資的標準,不可以超過物的價值。\n\n6\n00:02:02,635 --> 00:02:28,215\n所以主委我們現在要求租賃公司做這件事他們現在給他資率我們也給他什麼但是一樣嘛沒有法可管所以他不這麼做小型的公司不這麼做也沒轍我們現在對融資公司的疑慮就幾樣第一個很寬鬆的核貸年輕人說他月薪3萬塊貸款38萬最後實質利率加手續費加什麼違約金加什麼還超什麼審核費加一加\n\n7\n00:02:29,156 --> 00:02:30,698\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案\n\n8\n00:02:47,580 --> 00:03:09,215\n另外所有的費用以手續費違約金來囊括所以把利率這件事情也逃脫了那最後就是對業務員對於催收委員沒有任何資格限制對於債務催收的行為不管他用什麼方式都不像銀行我們有一定的限制這些才是要有專法的目標\n\n9\n00:03:10,316 --> 00:03:36,064\n主委我知道你們還有疑慮但是這件東西可能是專法必須要去規範的不管你是用各種方式用公會自律或者是用上市櫃公司來管這三大家但是融資公司還是台灣很大的痛啊所以主委我希望聽到的是在您任內或下一個金管會主委融資公司專法應該是中華民國政府無可迴避的責任你同意嗎\n\n10\n00:03:37,284 --> 00:03:58,778\n我想您提的幾個問題目前都是用要求他自立的方式處理那委員如果要用提升法律的位階我昨天有跟大家報告說立法技術上可能有些地方要去框定可以討論但是不能迴避什麼的責任我想一開始您第一天質詢我我記得很清楚你講得很明確你說你至少要求我有一些最低的標準要定出來\n\n11\n00:03:59,138 --> 00:04:00,679\n三、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案。\n\n12\n00:04:17,347 --> 00:04:45,573\n然後就會發生今天很多委員都在提的很多的不管是現在執行法院因為我們最高法院有相關的解釋了所以保險成為被執行的標的保險的準備金保障準備金成為所謂在日人的資產是可以被強制執行的我也是上任之後第一時間就跟保險局討論這件事情因為有太多的民眾尤其是現在行政執行欠稅的人\n\n13\n00:04:46,213 --> 00:04:55,546\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n\n14\n00:05:02,591 --> 00:05:25,571\n那我這兩天看到大家在討論介入權介入權是在受益人的權益的保障但是我今天要討論的是不管受益人是不是要保人比較嚴重的是被保險人他的權益有沒有被保障今天我幫我的小孩買一個醫療險買一個防癌險等到有一天我欠錢了\n\n15\n00:05:26,252 --> 00:05:42,058\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n\n16\n00:05:51,161 --> 00:06:07,248\n健康險才是我認為在保險要被強制執行的標的上面應該要排除這個案子我找過司法院民事廳來討論他說他們沒有問題只要修法那我問他是要修強制執行法還是要修保險法他們建議修保險法\n\n17\n00:06:08,268 --> 00:06:24,217\n所以局長跟主委我想知道你們的意見我們能夠把醫療險、健康險的這些排除在強制執行之外嗎有沒有可能在這個上面對被保險人多一些的保障局長你要先表示一下我待會再表示\n\n18\n00:06:26,269 --> 00:06:54,845\n根文報告其實我們之前也有研議過是不是要修保險法那時候大概外界的意見很分歧後來我們才暫停啦所以啊對民視聽說不要修我的強制法你們修你們的保險法而且說保險法外界有很多意見那請問到底要修哪個法那我們本來是建議說因為現在有像行政法院或者是那個行政法院像臺北行政法院基本上就是解約了啦\n\n19\n00:06:55,445 --> 00:07:18,064\n然後強制執行處都看情況還會請當事人來表示一下意見問題就是我剛剛講了那些儲蓄險跟投資型保單我沒什麼意見不管受益者他有沒有介入權他都是他的權益但是健康險、防白險、醫療險這些險我希望他能夠基本做到保護這個被保險人他應該有的權益而不會受影響\n\n20\n00:07:19,925 --> 00:07:42,754\n對這個部分其實我們原來是建議那個司法院能夠做一個指導原則啦因為司法院就推給你們啊有保險局來認定我們今天要說的是這件事情已經成為很多民眾的困擾這件事情應該要讓基本的保障不要受到影響就也就是說我現在但是不會影響我孩子我幫我孩子買了20年的妨礙險保單\n\n21\n00:07:46,096 --> 00:08:02,942\n我自己做保險監理官那麼久我對保險的社會安全網的價值我非常在乎所以我很同意你的想法有些保單你去強制執行可是這種人身的健康的或他將來養老的這是一個基本的人權我覺得如果司法院不做我們做\n\n22\n00:08:04,002 --> 00:08:29,988\n謝謝主委我非常高興聽到這句話接下來還有另外一個問題其實我覺得我們在財委會都非常關心每一個人民的權利跟義務接下來就是我們在所謂打仗有所謂的警示賬戶警示賬戶如果他已經有錢成立了或者是他證明他是人頭他不是故意的可能他會被不起訴不起訴之後警示賬戶就會被取消那他就可以使用\n\n23\n00:08:30,968 --> 00:08:48,734\n但是現在有新的規定是有所謂的告誡賬戶他可能也是人頭戶他可能也被不起訴但是告誡賬戶目前為止沒有直接可以拿不起訴處分解除他的告誡的程序沒有這個救濟管道主有了解嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:51,432 --> 00:09:16,646\n我知道這中間有一個就是有一個很大的gap就是你要配合檢調去強制執行還是兼顧人的這些是的我的意思是說警示賬戶只要拿著不起訴處分書就可以解除但是告誡賬戶我拿了不起訴處分書還不一定能解除我還要去打個官司說我是被騙的我是被害人我沒有我錢進來我沒有轉出去這些事我被告誡\n\n25\n00:09:17,406 --> 00:09:39,712\n告誡雖然他還可以用但是他的賬戶很難用可是告誡賬戶目前為止的機制並沒有讓他直接可以從警察機關來做因為不起訴處分而讓他能夠解除這樣的程序我認為目前為止洗房法有這樣子告誡賬戶的新的機制但是忘記了怎麼解除他的程序\n\n26\n00:09:40,853 --> 00:09:52,709\n規定沒有加進去所以我希望金管會去研議一下有關告誡賬戶之後是不是跟警示賬戶一樣他有一個直接拿不起訴處分書就可以解除的程序\n\n27\n00:09:53,666 --> 00:10:19,393\n主委了解我的意思嗎?我了解我想您垂詢的有道理我覺得這兩個不能一樣的處分嘛你因為是警示然後最後給我告誡結果警示解除了告誡還不一定解除這是什麼狀況勒?是如果不寫出處分書可以解除警示不能解除告誡我實在是不知道我們了解一下不同帳戶之間處理的程序跟標準一不一樣那去做調和\n\n28\n00:10:20,053 --> 00:10:22,696\n所以我希望人民的權利義務我們發聲了\n\n29\n00:10:24,420 --> 00:10:24,580\n謝謝主委謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n15754\t19401\t有請黃主委。有請黃主委。\n26204\t45745\t我們昨天談到的是融資公司專法那今天早上臺北律師公會也開了一個記者會他們也提出了民間的版本那我想這幾天大家都在討論不管是山道猴子還是說現在的三大租賃公司他們現在已經是我國最大的銀子銀行\n46886\t73863\t那融資公司現在的亂象已經超越當年的銀行卡債的風暴那現在它的債務吹收違約金的上限還有利率的上限甚至貸款審核的責任都沒有任何辦法可以管主委這是我們認為它是民間借貸但是它跟我們銀行高度監管跟高度管控的這樣的手法完全不一樣\n75224\t104174\t現在今天像律師公會他們提出來的現在是一張照片就可以核代買一個電冰箱拍一張電冰箱的照片就可以核代20萬這才是今天融資公司法必須有存在的必要性主委我知道你們有很多疑慮對於這樣的現象主委有什麼看法一張照片可以貸款20萬一個買一個冰箱可以貸款20萬這是什麼樣的融資公司\n104634\t121874\t對,其實委員您指正的很對,因為傳統上銀行受信應該是以那個財產的價值,long to value,信貸比,他那個有點是不動,優先收債權收買,我們已經要求主任工會去訂內部融資的標準,不可以超過物的價值。\n122635\t148215\t所以主委我們現在要求租賃公司做這件事他們現在給他資率我們也給他什麼但是一樣嘛沒有法可管所以他不這麼做小型的公司不這麼做也沒轍我們現在對融資公司的疑慮就幾樣第一個很寬鬆的核貸年輕人說他月薪3萬塊貸款38萬最後實質利率加手續費加什麼違約金加什麼還超什麼審核費加一加\n149156\t150698\t一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案\n167580\t189215\t另外所有的費用以手續費違約金來囊括所以把利率這件事情也逃脫了那最後就是對業務員對於催收委員沒有任何資格限制對於債務催收的行為不管他用什麼方式都不像銀行我們有一定的限制這些才是要有專法的目標\n190316\t216064\t主委我知道你們還有疑慮但是這件東西可能是專法必須要去規範的不管你是用各種方式用公會自律或者是用上市櫃公司來管這三大家但是融資公司還是台灣很大的痛啊所以主委我希望聽到的是在您任內或下一個金管會主委融資公司專法應該是中華民國政府無可迴避的責任你同意嗎\n217284\t238778\t我想您提的幾個問題目前都是用要求他自立的方式處理那委員如果要用提升法律的位階我昨天有跟大家報告說立法技術上可能有些地方要去框定可以討論但是不能迴避什麼的責任我想一開始您第一天質詢我我記得很清楚你講得很明確你說你至少要求我有一些最低的標準要定出來\n239138\t240679\t三、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案。\n257347\t285573\t然後就會發生今天很多委員都在提的很多的不管是現在執行法院因為我們最高法院有相關的解釋了所以保險成為被執行的標的保險的準備金保障準備金成為所謂在日人的資產是可以被強制執行的我也是上任之後第一時間就跟保險局討論這件事情因為有太多的民眾尤其是現在行政執行欠稅的人\n286213\t295546\t一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n302591\t325571\t那我這兩天看到大家在討論介入權介入權是在受益人的權益的保障但是我今天要討論的是不管受益人是不是要保人比較嚴重的是被保險人他的權益有沒有被保障今天我幫我的小孩買一個醫療險買一個防癌險等到有一天我欠錢了\n326252\t342058\t一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n351161\t367248\t健康險才是我認為在保險要被強制執行的標的上面應該要排除這個案子我找過司法院民事廳來討論他說他們沒有問題只要修法那我問他是要修強制執行法還是要修保險法他們建議修保險法\n368268\t384217\t所以局長跟主委我想知道你們的意見我們能夠把醫療險、健康險的這些排除在強制執行之外嗎有沒有可能在這個上面對被保險人多一些的保障局長你要先表示一下我待會再表示\n386269\t414845\t根文報告其實我們之前也有研議過是不是要修保險法那時候大概外界的意見很分歧後來我們才暫停啦所以啊對民視聽說不要修我的強制法你們修你們的保險法而且說保險法外界有很多意見那請問到底要修哪個法那我們本來是建議說因為現在有像行政法院或者是那個行政法院像臺北行政法院基本上就是解約了啦\n415445\t438064\t然後強制執行處都看情況還會請當事人來表示一下意見問題就是我剛剛講了那些儲蓄險跟投資型保單我沒什麼意見不管受益者他有沒有介入權他都是他的權益但是健康險、防白險、醫療險這些險我希望他能夠基本做到保護這個被保險人他應該有的權益而不會受影響\n439925\t462754\t對這個部分其實我們原來是建議那個司法院能夠做一個指導原則啦因為司法院就推給你們啊有保險局來認定我們今天要說的是這件事情已經成為很多民眾的困擾這件事情應該要讓基本的保障不要受到影響就也就是說我現在但是不會影響我孩子我幫我孩子買了20年的妨礙險保單\n466096\t482942\t我自己做保險監理官那麼久我對保險的社會安全網的價值我非常在乎所以我很同意你的想法有些保單你去強制執行可是這種人身的健康的或他將來養老的這是一個基本的人權我覺得如果司法院不做我們做\n484002\t509988\t謝謝主委我非常高興聽到這句話接下來還有另外一個問題其實我覺得我們在財委會都非常關心每一個人民的權利跟義務接下來就是我們在所謂打仗有所謂的警示賬戶警示賬戶如果他已經有錢成立了或者是他證明他是人頭他不是故意的可能他會被不起訴不起訴之後警示賬戶就會被取消那他就可以使用\n510968\t528734\t但是現在有新的規定是有所謂的告誡賬戶他可能也是人頭戶他可能也被不起訴但是告誡賬戶目前為止沒有直接可以拿不起訴處分解除他的告誡的程序沒有這個救濟管道主有了解嗎?\n531432\t556646\t我知道這中間有一個就是有一個很大的gap就是你要配合檢調去強制執行還是兼顧人的這些是的我的意思是說警示賬戶只要拿著不起訴處分書就可以解除但是告誡賬戶我拿了不起訴處分書還不一定能解除我還要去打個官司說我是被騙的我是被害人我沒有我錢進來我沒有轉出去這些事我被告誡\n557406\t579712\t告誡雖然他還可以用但是他的賬戶很難用可是告誡賬戶目前為止的機制並沒有讓他直接可以從警察機關來做因為不起訴處分而讓他能夠解除這樣的程序我認為目前為止洗房法有這樣子告誡賬戶的新的機制但是忘記了怎麼解除他的程序\n580853\t592709\t規定沒有加進去所以我希望金管會去研議一下有關告誡賬戶之後是不是跟警示賬戶一樣他有一個直接拿不起訴處分書就可以解除的程序\n593666\t619393\t主委了解我的意思嗎?我了解我想您垂詢的有道理我覺得這兩個不能一樣的處分嘛你因為是警示然後最後給我告誡結果警示解除了告誡還不一定解除這是什麼狀況勒?是如果不寫出處分書可以解除警示不能解除告誡我實在是不知道我們了解一下不同帳戶之間處理的程序跟標準一不一樣那去做調和\n620053\t622696\t所以我希望人民的權利義務我們發聲了\n624420\t624580\t謝謝主委謝謝委員\n","txt":"有請黃主委。有請黃主委。\n我們昨天談到的是融資公司專法那今天早上臺北律師公會也開了一個記者會他們也提出了民間的版本那我想這幾天大家都在討論不管是山道猴子還是說現在的三大租賃公司他們現在已經是我國最大的銀子銀行\n那融資公司現在的亂象已經超越當年的銀行卡債的風暴那現在它的債務吹收違約金的上限還有利率的上限甚至貸款審核的責任都沒有任何辦法可以管主委這是我們認為它是民間借貸但是它跟我們銀行高度監管跟高度管控的這樣的手法完全不一樣\n現在今天像律師公會他們提出來的現在是一張照片就可以核代買一個電冰箱拍一張電冰箱的照片就可以核代20萬這才是今天融資公司法必須有存在的必要性主委我知道你們有很多疑慮對於這樣的現象主委有什麼看法一張照片可以貸款20萬一個買一個冰箱可以貸款20萬這是什麼樣的融資公司\n對,其實委員您指正的很對,因為傳統上銀行受信應該是以那個財產的價值,long to value,信貸比,他那個有點是不動,優先收債權收買,我們已經要求主任工會去訂內部融資的標準,不可以超過物的價值。\n所以主委我們現在要求租賃公司做這件事他們現在給他資率我們也給他什麼但是一樣嘛沒有法可管所以他不這麼做小型的公司不這麼做也沒轍我們現在對融資公司的疑慮就幾樣第一個很寬鬆的核貸年輕人說他月薪3萬塊貸款38萬最後實質利率加手續費加什麼違約金加什麼還超什麼審核費加一加\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案\n另外所有的費用以手續費違約金來囊括所以把利率這件事情也逃脫了那最後就是對業務員對於催收委員沒有任何資格限制對於債務催收的行為不管他用什麼方式都不像銀行我們有一定的限制這些才是要有專法的目標\n主委我知道你們還有疑慮但是這件東西可能是專法必須要去規範的不管你是用各種方式用公會自律或者是用上市櫃公司來管這三大家但是融資公司還是台灣很大的痛啊所以主委我希望聽到的是在您任內或下一個金管會主委融資公司專法應該是中華民國政府無可迴避的責任你同意嗎\n我想您提的幾個問題目前都是用要求他自立的方式處理那委員如果要用提升法律的位階我昨天有跟大家報告說立法技術上可能有些地方要去框定可以討論但是不能迴避什麼的責任我想一開始您第一天質詢我我記得很清楚你講得很明確你說你至少要求我有一些最低的標準要定出來\n三、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案。\n然後就會發生今天很多委員都在提的很多的不管是現在執行法院因為我們最高法院有相關的解釋了所以保險成為被執行的標的保險的準備金保障準備金成為所謂在日人的資產是可以被強制執行的我也是上任之後第一時間就跟保險局討論這件事情因為有太多的民眾尤其是現在行政執行欠稅的人\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n那我這兩天看到大家在討論介入權介入權是在受益人的權益的保障但是我今天要討論的是不管受益人是不是要保人比較嚴重的是被保險人他的權益有沒有被保障今天我幫我的小孩買一個醫療險買一個防癌險等到有一天我欠錢了\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n健康險才是我認為在保險要被強制執行的標的上面應該要排除這個案子我找過司法院民事廳來討論他說他們沒有問題只要修法那我問他是要修強制執行法還是要修保險法他們建議修保險法\n所以局長跟主委我想知道你們的意見我們能夠把醫療險、健康險的這些排除在強制執行之外嗎有沒有可能在這個上面對被保險人多一些的保障局長你要先表示一下我待會再表示\n根文報告其實我們之前也有研議過是不是要修保險法那時候大概外界的意見很分歧後來我們才暫停啦所以啊對民視聽說不要修我的強制法你們修你們的保險法而且說保險法外界有很多意見那請問到底要修哪個法那我們本來是建議說因為現在有像行政法院或者是那個行政法院像臺北行政法院基本上就是解約了啦\n然後強制執行處都看情況還會請當事人來表示一下意見問題就是我剛剛講了那些儲蓄險跟投資型保單我沒什麼意見不管受益者他有沒有介入權他都是他的權益但是健康險、防白險、醫療險這些險我希望他能夠基本做到保護這個被保險人他應該有的權益而不會受影響\n對這個部分其實我們原來是建議那個司法院能夠做一個指導原則啦因為司法院就推給你們啊有保險局來認定我們今天要說的是這件事情已經成為很多民眾的困擾這件事情應該要讓基本的保障不要受到影響就也就是說我現在但是不會影響我孩子我幫我孩子買了20年的妨礙險保單\n我自己做保險監理官那麼久我對保險的社會安全網的價值我非常在乎所以我很同意你的想法有些保單你去強制執行可是這種人身的健康的或他將來養老的這是一個基本的人權我覺得如果司法院不做我們做\n謝謝主委我非常高興聽到這句話接下來還有另外一個問題其實我覺得我們在財委會都非常關心每一個人民的權利跟義務接下來就是我們在所謂打仗有所謂的警示賬戶警示賬戶如果他已經有錢成立了或者是他證明他是人頭他不是故意的可能他會被不起訴不起訴之後警示賬戶就會被取消那他就可以使用\n但是現在有新的規定是有所謂的告誡賬戶他可能也是人頭戶他可能也被不起訴但是告誡賬戶目前為止沒有直接可以拿不起訴處分解除他的告誡的程序沒有這個救濟管道主有了解嗎?\n我知道這中間有一個就是有一個很大的gap就是你要配合檢調去強制執行還是兼顧人的這些是的我的意思是說警示賬戶只要拿著不起訴處分書就可以解除但是告誡賬戶我拿了不起訴處分書還不一定能解除我還要去打個官司說我是被騙的我是被害人我沒有我錢進來我沒有轉出去這些事我被告誡\n告誡雖然他還可以用但是他的賬戶很難用可是告誡賬戶目前為止的機制並沒有讓他直接可以從警察機關來做因為不起訴處分而讓他能夠解除這樣的程序我認為目前為止洗房法有這樣子告誡賬戶的新的機制但是忘記了怎麼解除他的程序\n規定沒有加進去所以我希望金管會去研議一下有關告誡賬戶之後是不是跟警示賬戶一樣他有一個直接拿不起訴處分書就可以解除的程序\n主委了解我的意思嗎?我了解我想您垂詢的有道理我覺得這兩個不能一樣的處分嘛你因為是警示然後最後給我告誡結果警示解除了告誡還不一定解除這是什麼狀況勒?是如果不寫出處分書可以解除警示不能解除告誡我實在是不知道我們了解一下不同帳戶之間處理的程序跟標準一不一樣那去做調和\n所以我希望人民的權利義務我們發聲了\n謝謝主委謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.754 --> 00:19.401\n有請黃主委。有請黃主委。\n\n00:26.204 --> 00:45.745\n我們昨天談到的是融資公司專法那今天早上臺北律師公會也開了一個記者會他們也提出了民間的版本那我想這幾天大家都在討論不管是山道猴子還是說現在的三大租賃公司他們現在已經是我國最大的銀子銀行\n\n00:46.886 --> 01:13.863\n那融資公司現在的亂象已經超越當年的銀行卡債的風暴那現在它的債務吹收違約金的上限還有利率的上限甚至貸款審核的責任都沒有任何辦法可以管主委這是我們認為它是民間借貸但是它跟我們銀行高度監管跟高度管控的這樣的手法完全不一樣\n\n01:15.224 --> 01:44.174\n現在今天像律師公會他們提出來的現在是一張照片就可以核代買一個電冰箱拍一張電冰箱的照片就可以核代20萬這才是今天融資公司法必須有存在的必要性主委我知道你們有很多疑慮對於這樣的現象主委有什麼看法一張照片可以貸款20萬一個買一個冰箱可以貸款20萬這是什麼樣的融資公司\n\n01:44.634 --> 02:01.874\n對,其實委員您指正的很對,因為傳統上銀行受信應該是以那個財產的價值,longtovalue,信貸比,他那個有點是不動,優先收債權收買,我們已經要求主任工會去訂內部融資的標準,不可以超過物的價值。\n\n02:02.635 --> 02:28.215\n所以主委我們現在要求租賃公司做這件事他們現在給他資率我們也給他什麼但是一樣嘛沒有法可管所以他不這麼做小型的公司不這麼做也沒轍我們現在對融資公司的疑慮就幾樣第一個很寬鬆的核貸年輕人說他月薪3萬塊貸款38萬最後實質利率加手續費加什麼違約金加什麼還超什麼審核費加一加\n\n02:29.156 --> 02:30.698\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案\n\n02:47.580 --> 03:09.215\n另外所有的費用以手續費違約金來囊括所以把利率這件事情也逃脫了那最後就是對業務員對於催收委員沒有任何資格限制對於債務催收的行為不管他用什麼方式都不像銀行我們有一定的限制這些才是要有專法的目標\n\n03:10.316 --> 03:36.064\n主委我知道你們還有疑慮但是這件東西可能是專法必須要去規範的不管你是用各種方式用公會自律或者是用上市櫃公司來管這三大家但是融資公司還是台灣很大的痛啊所以主委我希望聽到的是在您任內或下一個金管會主委融資公司專法應該是中華民國政府無可迴避的責任你同意嗎\n\n03:37.284 --> 03:58.778\n我想您提的幾個問題目前都是用要求他自立的方式處理那委員如果要用提升法律的位階我昨天有跟大家報告說立法技術上可能有些地方要去框定可以討論但是不能迴避什麼的責任我想一開始您第一天質詢我我記得很清楚你講得很明確你說你至少要求我有一些最低的標準要定出來\n\n03:59.138 --> 04:00.679\n三、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2案。\n\n04:17.347 --> 04:45.573\n然後就會發生今天很多委員都在提的很多的不管是現在執行法院因為我們最高法院有相關的解釋了所以保險成為被執行的標的保險的準備金保障準備金成為所謂在日人的資產是可以被強制執行的我也是上任之後第一時間就跟保險局討論這件事情因為有太多的民眾尤其是現在行政執行欠稅的人\n\n04:46.213 --> 04:55.546\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n\n05:02.591 --> 05:25.571\n那我這兩天看到大家在討論介入權介入權是在受益人的權益的保障但是我今天要討論的是不管受益人是不是要保人比較嚴重的是被保險人他的權益有沒有被保障今天我幫我的小孩買一個醫療險買一個防癌險等到有一天我欠錢了\n\n05:26.252 --> 05:42.058\n一、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n\n05:51.161 --> 06:07.248\n健康險才是我認為在保險要被強制執行的標的上面應該要排除這個案子我找過司法院民事廳來討論他說他們沒有問題只要修法那我問他是要修強制執行法還是要修保險法他們建議修保險法\n\n06:08.268 --> 06:24.217\n所以局長跟主委我想知道你們的意見我們能夠把醫療險、健康險的這些排除在強制執行之外嗎有沒有可能在這個上面對被保險人多一些的保障局長你要先表示一下我待會再表示\n\n06:26.269 --> 06:54.845\n根文報告其實我們之前也有研議過是不是要修保險法那時候大概外界的意見很分歧後來我們才暫停啦所以啊對民視聽說不要修我的強制法你們修你們的保險法而且說保險法外界有很多意見那請問到底要修哪個法那我們本來是建議說因為現在有像行政法院或者是那個行政法院像臺北行政法院基本上就是解約了啦\n\n06:55.445 --> 07:18.064\n然後強制執行處都看情況還會請當事人來表示一下意見問題就是我剛剛講了那些儲蓄險跟投資型保單我沒什麼意見不管受益者他有沒有介入權他都是他的權益但是健康險、防白險、醫療險這些險我希望他能夠基本做到保護這個被保險人他應該有的權益而不會受影響\n\n07:19.925 --> 07:42.754\n對這個部分其實我們原來是建議那個司法院能夠做一個指導原則啦因為司法院就推給你們啊有保險局來認定我們今天要說的是這件事情已經成為很多民眾的困擾這件事情應該要讓基本的保障不要受到影響就也就是說我現在但是不會影響我孩子我幫我孩子買了20年的妨礙險保單\n\n07:46.096 --> 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