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00:02:28,387\n應該這樣講,因為在81年的時候是還有改選的82年由第二屆開始全面改選那中間當然有多次的為了立法院的內規在外界所談的就是88年那個無法就第四屆進來的那個無法那其實在政黨輪替以後第四屆的時候又大幅的改變其實在整個過程的整個過程包括我記得那時候1992年\n\n7\n00:02:30,389 --> 00:02:32,473\n改選93年你剛講民國82年就1993年開始就職對那時候我那時候進來\n\n8\n00:02:39,057 --> 00:03:00,234\n我記得那時候根本還沒有什麼草野協商法制化都還沒有就純粹都是這樣一步一步這樣子改革過來了所以其實我要講的就是這樣子其實我們現在說大張旗鼓說國會改革法案其實一點都不新鮮因為在這整個從1993年到現在整個過程\n\n9\n00:03:04,963 --> 00:03:29,060\n大概我們立法院針對我們運作上面我們大家有發生漢革或者是有爭議之後我們大家就會經過朝野大家共同來解決新的辦法所以我在講說這一次我們大家在這段時間所看到的這些相關的這些國會國會的立法國會制度的一些改變的立法它其實就是這樣的過程裡面的一環那我看到\n\n10\n00:03:30,818 --> 00:03:57,855\n這個每一個政黨每一個政黨的版本那我們在禮拜一也在這邊上演了一齣這個這個秘書長從頭做到尾在旁邊看到尾然後也上了一齣這個這個我個人認為程序上面很有瑕疵的一個一個審查會啦齁那這個我們看到其實國會這次大家所提出來各個黨黨派所提出來的法案裡面其實都有各種不一樣的面向\n\n11\n00:03:58,973 --> 00:04:06,667\n我比較遺憾的就是說我們看到在禮拜一我們看到的我們所通過的這些其實基本上都是立法權的擴張\n\n12\n00:04:09,534 --> 00:04:35,433\n這是立法院職權擴張的相關法條。包括要把總統國情報告常態化、質詢化、人事同意權及命令權的追認、總統彈劾的相關質詢,還有質詢的規範要讓立法院可以移送行政官員,立法權可以移送行政權,到讓司法權來裁判。\n\n13\n00:04:36,841 --> 00:05:02,620\n這是三權分立的一個新的理論另外還有立法院總副院長選舉甚至還有刑法的藐視國會罪等相關的立法所以我看到這些都是立法權的擴張但其實國會改革的面向由我們民進黨團所提出來這次整套的國會改革的法案其實不只是\n\n14\n00:05:05,362 --> 00:05:19,757\n立法院職權行使法這樣子一個部分而已。事實上我們還有再提出一些包括這個強化秘密會議的規範這個也是社會關注的在之前社會非常關注在立法院所召開的秘密會議它到底秘不秘密\n\n15\n00:05:20,598 --> 00:05:35,035\n他這個秘密會議的結果他到底到底這個這個我們立法委員自己有沒有辦法保守這個這個保密的義務那另外包括這個強我們跟秘書長可能最有關的我們強化國會的知通知通安全\n\n16\n00:05:35,816 --> 00:05:36,637\n之三及第二十八條之四條文\n\n17\n00:05:53,953 --> 00:06:15,351\n再來就是強化幕僚單位提升專業能量這些如果我們民進黨這些改革方案能夠這樣照民進黨版本通過我相信未來我們秘書長在立法院整個我們立法院的職能都可以大幅的提升那另外還有這個這個也就是說除了國會改革其實除了國會擴權以外還有一個很重要的變相是國會的自律\n\n18\n00:06:16,432 --> 00:06:33,045\n國會的自律就包括我剛剛所講的這個國會自己的這個秘密會議規範我們國會的這個這個資通安全的強化更重要的包括我們這個國會自主的這些這些性平反對性平歧視的這些相關的規範那還有這個這個其他\n\n19\n00:06:35,407 --> 00:06:49,575\n涉及犯罪若國會議員涉及犯罪之後的這個這個相關司法移送的這樣子的的屬於國會自律面向的部分那這部分我覺得覺得說說在我們這個禮拜一這樣開快車的過程中整個國會\n\n20\n00:06:51,260 --> 00:07:11,850\n改革被扭曲成是國會自己的擴權,就只有看到國會擴權的面向。這是我個人深感遺憾。這個部分我想要請秘書長來表示,目前我們立法院有關這個資通安全的部分我們有做什麼樣的強化?\n\n21\n00:07:14,393 --> 00:07:15,395\n二、委員呂玲等17人擬具\n\n22\n00:07:29,955 --> 00:07:34,999\n之四條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條之五條\n\n23\n00:07:59,159 --> 00:08:12,455\n立法院職權行使法的部分都比較具政治性就是說不同的政黨有不同的看法但是在下個禮拜我們民進黨所提出的這個國會改革的版本這個就真的是針對我們國會國會的自律以及國會這個這個\n\n24\n00:08:15,419 --> 00:08:43,720\n專業資安方面的提升。」這個部分我想秘書長就應該要可以嚴鎖當嚴了啦。就不必像現在在這裡說全部都不必評論啦。那時候你就要好好的來評論我們有關這些相關的法案這樣好不好?我會提一些看法。包括法治局預算中心的用聘用還是因為聘用就會涉及到聘用聯盟可能是要轉為要用聘任的方式來。\n\n25\n00:08:44,420 --> 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