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00:02:04,754\n就是都是基於這個安全道路安全的一個考量我想這個應該就是我們最基礎的應該是要回歸到這個來思考那當然就是說目前這樣子一個調整是比較我想應該是比較不得不的一個調整那是不是也可以請部長再稍微說明一下就是說當然做了這個調整之後我們未來要怎樣再來做\n\n7\n00:02:05,374 --> 00:02:05,434\n條例第16條\n\n8\n00:02:21,012 --> 00:02:39,531\n去年大概這時候在立法院我們當時這個婚委就是新任地獄所以當時對處罰條例相關的這個課題作為比較這個大家都覺得要加入更嚴格的執法但是的確在去年的下半年實施以後\n\n9\n00:02:40,091 --> 00:03:04,758\n就是委員所提的包括職業駕駛也包括一般民眾就是因為環境還沒有整頓完以後當開放民眾檢舉造成很大生活上的困擾所以的確我們在這一次我常常講說這個我個人要取消這十項也是天人交戰但是我在這邊就跟委員報告這是一個\n\n10\n00:03:06,062 --> 00:03:21,023\n相關環境還沒有整斷之前的一個權宜措施但是我們相關的環境包括行人設施條例包括我們4年400億的這些行人的相關設施的這些計劃已經在行政院都支持了\n\n11\n00:03:21,583 --> 00:03:38,493\n這意思是說行政院支持這個包括法令、立法院也支持法令錢也都給了那我們再利用這四年時間把環境整頓好包括停車的地方包括剛才談到裝卸車位等等的把它整頓好那當然\n\n12\n00:03:39,273 --> 00:03:55,718\n到時候在這個整個這個處罰條例事實上每年都會在立法院都會可以做一些討論當然有有一定的成效環境的整頓好以後我是覺得還是可以再再討論那第二個是這是不開放民眾檢舉但是民眾還是可以打110報案\n\n13\n00:03:57,438 --> 00:04:11,665\n就是所以也不會說就是不處理讓它變成一個大違規的這個狀況所以我想說這部分我們也跟警政署再討論一下就在未來在108案裡面要怎麼來處理這個部分也會再持續的這個強化\n\n14\n00:04:14,309 --> 00:04:34,082\n對,部長剛剛講到就是說開放110的一個報案那當然這又是回到實務面的一個問題可能也會造成因為警力不足沒有辦法立即處理的一個狀況所以我想這個可能都還是會有很多實際面我們要去面對跟檢討的那我想這個因為時間關係也沒有辦法在這裡做很詳細的一個討論那當然就是說我們的政策跟制度我們應該還是就是要\n\n15\n00:04:43,768 --> 00:05:11,235\n回到就是這個道路安全交通安全這樣子一個思維來思考那當然剛剛部長有講說這樣的調整當然也是一個不得不的目前的一個調整的措施那未來就是會針對這個整個道路的設施來做一個改善那在這裡我再先請教一下就是說因為這樣子一個祭典那目前當然我們就是會就是會先取消就是在\n\n16\n00:05:12,975 --> 00:05:36,696\n一千兩百塊的這個罰款這樣子的一個行為下不開放檢舉當然就是說對比較重大違規的部分還是有檢舉可是有檢舉祭典的部分還是會延伸出一些問題就是有關這個祭典黃牛的這個行為那這個部分因為我們當然就是說這樣的一個處罰我們當然還是就是要\n\n17\n00:05:38,317 --> 00:05:56,491\n約束這個實際的駕駛人、行為人希望他們能夠就是讓他們知道這個違規然後能夠來改正可是如果說衍生出這個祭典黃柳這部分我想這個又已經走偏了上市了我們的這個法令的一個原意所以這部分我們有去做檢討嗎?\n\n18\n00:05:58,353 --> 00:06:12,958\n對,這一次修改也是這樣,就民眾卷舉的部分不祭典了。因為他可能沒有辦法像警話到現場看到當事者是誰,然後開這個當事人的這個祭典。然後另外就是\n\n19\n00:06:14,118 --> 00:06:41,616\n這個科技質問法的部分也一樣就是說科技法拍到一個人的比如說他是闖紅燈好了結果要找到的那一個人就是委員所提的很多這個找一個冒牌的人或是所謂的祭典黃牛出來所以在這一次裡面就是進行舉發包括民眾檢舉跟科技質問法部分也不祭典那大家要由警方現場確定是誰的時候再祭典所以這個課題大概這一次也是做一個處理\n\n20\n00:06:42,332 --> 00:06:52,519\n提到的這整個交通環境的一個改善行人道路設施的一個改善那在這邊當然也要先再次的感謝我們就是這幾年交通部就是說在前瞻特別預算裡面有補助地方\n\n21\n00:07:08,871 --> 00:07:25,812\n就是來這個新建這個停車場的一個設施。那之後在這個前瞻計畫之後我們交通部是不是還會有這樣子的一個規劃。那因為我們知道就是說你停車位不足然後要就是要求民眾就是在這個停車\n\n22\n00:07:27,694 --> 00:07:44,267\n報告說不停騎樓啦或者是說一些地方就是停車的問題真的還是要回到這個停車空間的一個問題來解決所以這個停車場的部分我們之後還有沒有新的一個政策目前就是200加60、260億然後想說在下一任的這個\n\n23\n00:07:52,012 --> 00:08:20,491\n這個包括院長或是這個部長他們可能會做一個考量比如下一期有沒有再一個這個改善停車問題的下一期目前是我們還沒有研擬因為這個到114所以我們現在就是把已經在動工的什麼就趕快完成啊比如說從115以後有沒有那個那個可能在會再做一個決定那我個人是覺得的確你要整頓路邊停車真的是路外的停車場是最重要的一個部分\n\n24\n00:08:21,752 --> 00:08:31,639\n提出這個停車空間當然除了停車場的興建之外當然就是會涉及到可能還是要跟地方政府一起去盤點就是說什麼樣的區域區塊的停車問題要怎麼解決\n\n25\n00:08:36,903 --> 00:09:05,377\n因為我們知道就是說有一些住宅密集區他巷道可能就6米寬那附近也沒有什麼停車空間那如果說我們禁止他騎樓停車的時候他可能真的沒地方停車那我如果要開放的話這個可能又不是交通部可以進行做決定的所以我們也希望就是說透過中央地方一起來檢討努力讓我們就是有關這個停車問題也好或者是交通安全問題能夠更完善\n\n26\n00:09:05,717 --> 00:09:05,737\n謝謝部長。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n410\t3295\t謝謝主席請主席邀請王部長請王部長\n8405\t35834\t市長早今天委員會就是針對這個道交條例七之一還有六十三還有六十三之二這個修正案來進行詢答我想針對這個部分的一個調整對交通部來說真的也是吃力不討好這個部分我們知道就是說我們會做這樣的調整當然也是有很大的一個名義就是事實上在去年就是說\n36494\t52405\t有很多的鄉親他們也是反映就是說因為這樣子的一個檢舉制度那造成就是說他們這個祭典這個祭典的這個這個點數啊就是已經達到就是吊扣駕照這樣子的一個程度\n52845\t53345\t報告報告報告報告報告報告報告\n73652\t73792\t法令規則\n100603\t124754\t就是都是基於這個安全道路安全的一個考量我想這個應該就是我們最基礎的應該是要回歸到這個來思考那當然就是說目前這樣子一個調整是比較我想應該是比較不得不的一個調整那是不是也可以請部長再稍微說明一下就是說當然做了這個調整之後我們未來要怎樣再來做\n125374\t125434\t條例第16條\n141012\t159531\t去年大概這時候在立法院我們當時這個婚委就是新任地獄所以當時對處罰條例相關的這個課題作為比較這個大家都覺得要加入更嚴格的執法但是的確在去年的下半年實施以後\n160091\t184758\t就是委員所提的包括職業駕駛也包括一般民眾就是因為環境還沒有整頓完以後當開放民眾檢舉造成很大生活上的困擾所以的確我們在這一次我常常講說這個我個人要取消這十項也是天人交戰但是我在這邊就跟委員報告這是一個\n186062\t201023\t相關環境還沒有整斷之前的一個權宜措施但是我們相關的環境包括行人設施條例包括我們4年400億的這些行人的相關設施的這些計劃已經在行政院都支持了\n201583\t218493\t這意思是說行政院支持這個包括法令、立法院也支持法令錢也都給了那我們再利用這四年時間把環境整頓好包括停車的地方包括剛才談到裝卸車位等等的把它整頓好那當然\n219273\t235718\t到時候在這個整個這個處罰條例事實上每年都會在立法院都會可以做一些討論當然有有一定的成效環境的整頓好以後我是覺得還是可以再再討論那第二個是這是不開放民眾檢舉但是民眾還是可以打110報案\n237438\t251665\t就是所以也不會說就是不處理讓它變成一個大違規的這個狀況所以我想說這部分我們也跟警政署再討論一下就在未來在108案裡面要怎麼來處理這個部分也會再持續的這個強化\n254309\t274082\t對,部長剛剛講到就是說開放110的一個報案那當然這又是回到實務面的一個問題可能也會造成因為警力不足沒有辦法立即處理的一個狀況所以我想這個可能都還是會有很多實際面我們要去面對跟檢討的那我想這個因為時間關係也沒有辦法在這裡做很詳細的一個討論那當然就是說我們的政策跟制度我們應該還是就是要\n283768\t311235\t回到就是這個道路安全交通安全這樣子一個思維來思考那當然剛剛部長有講說這樣的調整當然也是一個不得不的目前的一個調整的措施那未來就是會針對這個整個道路的設施來做一個改善那在這裡我再先請教一下就是說因為這樣子一個祭典那目前當然我們就是會就是會先取消就是在\n312975\t336696\t一千兩百塊的這個罰款這樣子的一個行為下不開放檢舉當然就是說對比較重大違規的部分還是有檢舉可是有檢舉祭典的部分還是會延伸出一些問題就是有關這個祭典黃牛的這個行為那這個部分因為我們當然就是說這樣的一個處罰我們當然還是就是要\n338317\t356491\t約束這個實際的駕駛人、行為人希望他們能夠就是讓他們知道這個違規然後能夠來改正可是如果說衍生出這個祭典黃柳這部分我想這個又已經走偏了上市了我們的這個法令的一個原意所以這部分我們有去做檢討嗎?\n358353\t372958\t對,這一次修改也是這樣,就民眾卷舉的部分不祭典了。因為他可能沒有辦法像警話到現場看到當事者是誰,然後開這個當事人的這個祭典。然後另外就是\n374118\t401616\t這個科技質問法的部分也一樣就是說科技法拍到一個人的比如說他是闖紅燈好了結果要找到的那一個人就是委員所提的很多這個找一個冒牌的人或是所謂的祭典黃牛出來所以在這一次裡面就是進行舉發包括民眾檢舉跟科技質問法部分也不祭典那大家要由警方現場確定是誰的時候再祭典所以這個課題大概這一次也是做一個處理\n402332\t412519\t提到的這整個交通環境的一個改善行人道路設施的一個改善那在這邊當然也要先再次的感謝我們就是這幾年交通部就是說在前瞻特別預算裡面有補助地方\n428871\t445812\t就是來這個新建這個停車場的一個設施。那之後在這個前瞻計畫之後我們交通部是不是還會有這樣子的一個規劃。那因為我們知道就是說你停車位不足然後要就是要求民眾就是在這個停車\n447694\t464267\t報告說不停騎樓啦或者是說一些地方就是停車的問題真的還是要回到這個停車空間的一個問題來解決所以這個停車場的部分我們之後還有沒有新的一個政策目前就是200加60、260億然後想說在下一任的這個\n472012\t500491\t這個包括院長或是這個部長他們可能會做一個考量比如下一期有沒有再一個這個改善停車問題的下一期目前是我們還沒有研擬因為這個到114所以我們現在就是把已經在動工的什麼就趕快完成啊比如說從115以後有沒有那個那個可能在會再做一個決定那我個人是覺得的確你要整頓路邊停車真的是路外的停車場是最重要的一個部分\n501752\t511639\t提出這個停車空間當然除了停車場的興建之外當然就是會涉及到可能還是要跟地方政府一起去盤點就是說什麼樣的區域區塊的停車問題要怎麼解決\n516903\t545377\t因為我們知道就是說有一些住宅密集區他巷道可能就6米寬那附近也沒有什麼停車空間那如果說我們禁止他騎樓停車的時候他可能真的沒地方停車那我如果要開放的話這個可能又不是交通部可以進行做決定的所以我們也希望就是說透過中央地方一起來檢討努力讓我們就是有關這個停車問題也好或者是交通安全問題能夠更完善\n545717\t545737\t謝謝部長。\n","txt":"謝謝主席請主席邀請王部長請王部長\n市長早今天委員會就是針對這個道交條例七之一還有六十三還有六十三之二這個修正案來進行詢答我想針對這個部分的一個調整對交通部來說真的也是吃力不討好這個部分我們知道就是說我們會做這樣的調整當然也是有很大的一個名義就是事實上在去年就是說\n有很多的鄉親他們也是反映就是說因為這樣子的一個檢舉制度那造成就是說他們這個祭典這個祭典的這個這個點數啊就是已經達到就是吊扣駕照這樣子的一個程度\n報告報告報告報告報告報告報告\n法令規則\n就是都是基於這個安全道路安全的一個考量我想這個應該就是我們最基礎的應該是要回歸到這個來思考那當然就是說目前這樣子一個調整是比較我想應該是比較不得不的一個調整那是不是也可以請部長再稍微說明一下就是說當然做了這個調整之後我們未來要怎樣再來做\n條例第16條\n去年大概這時候在立法院我們當時這個婚委就是新任地獄所以當時對處罰條例相關的這個課題作為比較這個大家都覺得要加入更嚴格的執法但是的確在去年的下半年實施以後\n就是委員所提的包括職業駕駛也包括一般民眾就是因為環境還沒有整頓完以後當開放民眾檢舉造成很大生活上的困擾所以的確我們在這一次我常常講說這個我個人要取消這十項也是天人交戰但是我在這邊就跟委員報告這是一個\n相關環境還沒有整斷之前的一個權宜措施但是我們相關的環境包括行人設施條例包括我們4年400億的這些行人的相關設施的這些計劃已經在行政院都支持了\n這意思是說行政院支持這個包括法令、立法院也支持法令錢也都給了那我們再利用這四年時間把環境整頓好包括停車的地方包括剛才談到裝卸車位等等的把它整頓好那當然\n到時候在這個整個這個處罰條例事實上每年都會在立法院都會可以做一些討論當然有有一定的成效環境的整頓好以後我是覺得還是可以再再討論那第二個是這是不開放民眾檢舉但是民眾還是可以打110報案\n就是所以也不會說就是不處理讓它變成一個大違規的這個狀況所以我想說這部分我們也跟警政署再討論一下就在未來在108案裡面要怎麼來處理這個部分也會再持續的這個強化\n對,部長剛剛講到就是說開放110的一個報案那當然這又是回到實務面的一個問題可能也會造成因為警力不足沒有辦法立即處理的一個狀況所以我想這個可能都還是會有很多實際面我們要去面對跟檢討的那我想這個因為時間關係也沒有辦法在這裡做很詳細的一個討論那當然就是說我們的政策跟制度我們應該還是就是要\n回到就是這個道路安全交通安全這樣子一個思維來思考那當然剛剛部長有講說這樣的調整當然也是一個不得不的目前的一個調整的措施那未來就是會針對這個整個道路的設施來做一個改善那在這裡我再先請教一下就是說因為這樣子一個祭典那目前當然我們就是會就是會先取消就是在\n一千兩百塊的這個罰款這樣子的一個行為下不開放檢舉當然就是說對比較重大違規的部分還是有檢舉可是有檢舉祭典的部分還是會延伸出一些問題就是有關這個祭典黃牛的這個行為那這個部分因為我們當然就是說這樣的一個處罰我們當然還是就是要\n約束這個實際的駕駛人、行為人希望他們能夠就是讓他們知道這個違規然後能夠來改正可是如果說衍生出這個祭典黃柳這部分我想這個又已經走偏了上市了我們的這個法令的一個原意所以這部分我們有去做檢討嗎?\n對,這一次修改也是這樣,就民眾卷舉的部分不祭典了。因為他可能沒有辦法像警話到現場看到當事者是誰,然後開這個當事人的這個祭典。然後另外就是\n這個科技質問法的部分也一樣就是說科技法拍到一個人的比如說他是闖紅燈好了結果要找到的那一個人就是委員所提的很多這個找一個冒牌的人或是所謂的祭典黃牛出來所以在這一次裡面就是進行舉發包括民眾檢舉跟科技質問法部分也不祭典那大家要由警方現場確定是誰的時候再祭典所以這個課題大概這一次也是做一個處理\n提到的這整個交通環境的一個改善行人道路設施的一個改善那在這邊當然也要先再次的感謝我們就是這幾年交通部就是說在前瞻特別預算裡面有補助地方\n就是來這個新建這個停車場的一個設施。那之後在這個前瞻計畫之後我們交通部是不是還會有這樣子的一個規劃。那因為我們知道就是說你停車位不足然後要就是要求民眾就是在這個停車\n報告說不停騎樓啦或者是說一些地方就是停車的問題真的還是要回到這個停車空間的一個問題來解決所以這個停車場的部分我們之後還有沒有新的一個政策目前就是200加60、260億然後想說在下一任的這個\n這個包括院長或是這個部長他們可能會做一個考量比如下一期有沒有再一個這個改善停車問題的下一期目前是我們還沒有研擬因為這個到114所以我們現在就是把已經在動工的什麼就趕快完成啊比如說從115以後有沒有那個那個可能在會再做一個決定那我個人是覺得的確你要整頓路邊停車真的是路外的停車場是最重要的一個部分\n提出這個停車空間當然除了停車場的興建之外當然就是會涉及到可能還是要跟地方政府一起去盤點就是說什麼樣的區域區塊的停車問題要怎麼解決\n因為我們知道就是說有一些住宅密集區他巷道可能就6米寬那附近也沒有什麼停車空間那如果說我們禁止他騎樓停車的時候他可能真的沒地方停車那我如果要開放的話這個可能又不是交通部可以進行做決定的所以我們也希望就是說透過中央地方一起來檢討努力讓我們就是有關這個停車問題也好或者是交通安全問題能夠更完善\n謝謝部長。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.410 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03:55.718\n到時候在這個整個這個處罰條例事實上每年都會在立法院都會可以做一些討論當然有有一定的成效環境的整頓好以後我是覺得還是可以再再討論那第二個是這是不開放民眾檢舉但是民眾還是可以打110報案\n\n03:57.438 --> 04:11.665\n就是所以也不會說就是不處理讓它變成一個大違規的這個狀況所以我想說這部分我們也跟警政署再討論一下就在未來在108案裡面要怎麼來處理這個部分也會再持續的這個強化\n\n04:14.309 --> 04:34.082\n對,部長剛剛講到就是說開放110的一個報案那當然這又是回到實務面的一個問題可能也會造成因為警力不足沒有辦法立即處理的一個狀況所以我想這個可能都還是會有很多實際面我們要去面對跟檢討的那我想這個因為時間關係也沒有辦法在這裡做很詳細的一個討論那當然就是說我們的政策跟制度我們應該還是就是要\n\n04:43.768 --> 05:11.235\n回到就是這個道路安全交通安全這樣子一個思維來思考那當然剛剛部長有講說這樣的調整當然也是一個不得不的目前的一個調整的措施那未來就是會針對這個整個道路的設施來做一個改善那在這裡我再先請教一下就是說因為這樣子一個祭典那目前當然我們就是會就是會先取消就是在\n\n05:12.975 --> 05:36.696\n一千兩百塊的這個罰款這樣子的一個行為下不開放檢舉當然就是說對比較重大違規的部分還是有檢舉可是有檢舉祭典的部分還是會延伸出一些問題就是有關這個祭典黃牛的這個行為那這個部分因為我們當然就是說這樣的一個處罰我們當然還是就是要\n\n05:38.317 --> 05:56.491\n約束這個實際的駕駛人、行為人希望他們能夠就是讓他們知道這個違規然後能夠來改正可是如果說衍生出這個祭典黃柳這部分我想這個又已經走偏了上市了我們的這個法令的一個原意所以這部分我們有去做檢討嗎?\n\n05:58.353 --> 06:12.958\n對,這一次修改也是這樣,就民眾卷舉的部分不祭典了。因為他可能沒有辦法像警話到現場看到當事者是誰,然後開這個當事人的這個祭典。然後另外就是\n\n06:14.118 --> 06:41.616\n這個科技質問法的部分也一樣就是說科技法拍到一個人的比如說他是闖紅燈好了結果要找到的那一個人就是委員所提的很多這個找一個冒牌的人或是所謂的祭典黃牛出來所以在這一次裡面就是進行舉發包括民眾檢舉跟科技質問法部分也不祭典那大家要由警方現場確定是誰的時候再祭典所以這個課題大概這一次也是做一個處理\n\n06:42.332 --> 06:52.519\n提到的這整個交通環境的一個改善行人道路設施的一個改善那在這邊當然也要先再次的感謝我們就是這幾年交通部就是說在前瞻特別預算裡面有補助地方\n\n07:08.871 --> 07:25.812\n就是來這個新建這個停車場的一個設施。那之後在這個前瞻計畫之後我們交通部是不是還會有這樣子的一個規劃。那因為我們知道就是說你停車位不足然後要就是要求民眾就是在這個停車\n\n07:27.694 --> 07:44.267\n報告說不停騎樓啦或者是說一些地方就是停車的問題真的還是要回到這個停車空間的一個問題來解決所以這個停車場的部分我們之後還有沒有新的一個政策目前就是200加60、260億然後想說在下一任的這個\n\n07:52.012 --> 08:20.491\n這個包括院長或是這個部長他們可能會做一個考量比如下一期有沒有再一個這個改善停車問題的下一期目前是我們還沒有研擬因為這個到114所以我們現在就是把已經在動工的什麼就趕快完成啊比如說從115以後有沒有那個那個可能在會再做一個決定那我個人是覺得的確你要整頓路邊停車真的是路外的停車場是最重要的一個部分\n\n08:21.752 --> 08:31.639\n提出這個停車空間當然除了停車場的興建之外當然就是會涉及到可能還是要跟地方政府一起去盤點就是說什麼樣的區域區塊的停車問題要怎麼解決\n\n08:36.903 --> 09:05.377\n因為我們知道就是說有一些住宅密集區他巷道可能就6米寬那附近也沒有什麼停車空間那如果說我們禁止他騎樓停車的時候他可能真的沒地方停車那我如果要開放的話這個可能又不是交通部可以進行做決定的所以我們也希望就是說透過中央地方一起來檢討努力讓我們就是有關這個停車問題也好或者是交通安全問題能夠更完善\n\n09:05.717 --> 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