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00:00:28,911\n主席謝謝麻煩請交通部王部長請王部長部長部長好直接跟您請教因為近期內本身也接獲到蠻多這個團體陳情其實有關於營業車跟貨運車這些貨運車輛他們有講到是說好像在疫情這個恢復之後可能是相關的這個保險的部分就他們就取消很多的這個保險業者就是給他們聚寶\n\n2\n00:00:29,771 --> 00:00:45,187\n尤其是說針對是說他們想要多投保一些相關的一個險甚至除了應該保的險以外的這一些這個什麼賠償的這些險啊部分就保險公司的巨保即便是他們想要提高相關的保費也沒有辦法\n\n3\n00:00:45,788 --> 00:01:11,634\n我講部長有沒有掌握到這樣的一個訊息對因為那個這主要是在保險公司跟這些職業駕駛他們認為他風險很高所以不接受他的一些但是如果說風險很高他開在路上然後因為風險高可能造成相關的交通事故那才發覺說他沒有足夠的保險能夠來去做理賠或去支應的話那會不會對於用路人的風險更高\n\n4\n00:01:14,139 --> 00:01:39,273\n會這個我們有在處理但是他的確保險是在保險公司跟個人他們這個當然我們是期待是有充足的保險對受害人比較有保障就是應該我們期待的是大家用路上路都能夠有保一定程度的保險那如果真的發生交通事故的話也可以有最基本的理賠或是保障\n\n5\n00:01:39,913 --> 00:01:56,916\n這不管是對開車者不管是對用路者其實都是一個幫助跟保障那您剛也提到了就是說因為他們風險高那就是因為他們風險高所以更應該要有保險而不是說讓他們四處趴趴走但是沒有保險那他們也很無奈啊他們講說他們想保險但是找不到公司給他們保\n\n6\n00:01:57,591 --> 00:02:18,870\n那個我跟委員來說一下那個我們去年大概有幫這個婚業者跟這個所謂產選公會這邊開個平台那這個基本上他還是要回歸到這個保險的一個機制就是說高保費的部分他們因為有些這個價錢是沒有辦法負擔\n\n7\n00:02:19,671 --> 00:02:43,171\n那目前我們大概已經有把這樣的一個需求轉給金管會金管會那邊也同意說如果有碰到個案的部分那會可以透過我們那個這個溝通平台他們會來協助但本期看起來他不是個案他是通案因為是公會這邊直接很多的公會直接來找投注無門可能你這個平台他也真的沒有辦法解決問題才會又再來找委員這邊來懲解這樣好不好\n\n8\n00:02:44,992 --> 00:03:06,878\n部長我今天點出這個問題本身也知道是說這跟金管會也有相關業務我們可能會再由正式的這個陳秦涵然後也再交集我們不管是公路局、路政司以及金管會這邊來開協調會我們來找出一個可行的方案回歸到正題今天的這個違罪不罰的部分真的\n\n9\n00:03:08,357 --> 00:03:32,921\n對於用路人來講很重要你自己也提到了交通部長任內你最這個遺憾的是沒有辦法降低這樣子一個道案的一個狀況但是很多的營業者也會覺得是說他好像如果說罰太多其實不是罰太多重點是祭典的制度有可能會剝奪他的工作權那一直有推我想先講是說一直有講是說因為這樣的一個上路檢舉而造成檢舉達人氾濫部長有沒有數據檢舉達人到底有多氾濫\n\n10\n00:03:39,486 --> 00:04:06,494\n這不要笑啊我覺得這很重要譬如說我們所謂的檢舉當然開放檢舉就代表說一般人都可以檢舉那有違規事實就檢舉那有沒有說前幾的比例譬如說八十二十法則嘛百分之八十的檢舉量都是來自百分之二十的檢舉人那有可能這樣就檢舉達人啊還是說前十名的檢舉人他一天檢舉了一百件兩百件我就覺得說他可能就變成是職業檢舉人\n\n11\n00:04:26,375 --> 00:04:47,774\n覺得我沒有舉發的這邊不滿的大部分大概有大概二三十個這樣的民眾時常在寫部長信箱也到交通部也到內政部那這個部分如果說要詳細的數量的話我們要再跟各縣市警察局做一個統計來拉回來您是這個警政組交通組組長嗎是不是是是是好\n\n12\n00:04:48,314 --> 00:05:02,386\n主長如果說你這樣講話本席就沒有辦法接受因為你們一直推說我這個檢舉的制度上路之後檢舉達人泛濫那我們想要知道說到底多泛濫你應該要讓我們知道說多泛濫啊\n\n13\n00:05:03,507 --> 00:05:20,243\n你應該講是說我前10名的檢舉量每天檢舉300件檢舉500件那我們合理懷疑判斷他就是檢舉達人或是檢舉魔人職業檢舉人所以要秉除這樣的狀況但你跟我講沒有沒有這個數據啊但是很氾濫啊那\n\n14\n00:05:22,762 --> 00:05:46,187\n我們就用這樣的理由去講說好我們半年前修的法然後我們現在再把它給修然後違罪不罰那又讓用路人覺得說好不容易有一點數光了好不容易真的我們希望還給用路人乾淨的一個道路空間又突然間又一千二那這樣子不就是變成是說你根本沒有一個明確的理由讓我們今天來做一個討論嗎\n\n15\n00:05:47,876 --> 00:05:52,831\n報告委員不是嗎?還是你覺得說真的是檢舉達人氾濫還是真的是台灣違規太嚴重?\n\n16\n00:05:56,906 --> 00:06:17,525\n我覺得這兩者不同喔!檢舉達人泛濫是一個人檢舉一天200件、300件這個叫泛濫但如果說你說每天收到很多的檢舉量那叫台灣違規太嚴重喔!可能很多人看到違規我就因為可以檢舉我就來檢舉那你不能講說因為你檢舉量很多所以你就說啊這樣子泛濫我覺得這完全是不同的\n\n17\n00:06:17,785 --> 00:06:46,779\n我們把那個違規檢舉的以一百一十二年八百六十九萬件裡面有百分之六十是針對停車跟違規停車那這一些的部分有很多都是某一些民眾就車子一開過去之後阿就一個盡頭來啦組長你沒有這個整理或說你根本沒有這個你不能用形容詞我覺得咱就事論事很多民眾是多少叫很多\n\n18\n00:06:47,059 --> 00:07:13,852\n好那個組長整理好資料向侯孟楷委員來做報告真的啦你們等一下是不是主席你們等一下要逐條審查我不會這樣做你今天沒有逐條審查我沒有說今天就要逐條審查你今天沒有要逐條我們都是以最嚴謹的態度在4月3號舉辦公聽會然後今天進行詢答然後經過討論之後還會再找時間來做逐條好我肯定主席這樣的一個態度啦\n\n19\n00:07:14,372 --> 00:07:42,301\n那最後、抱歉三十秒五月一號說重機族群他們要上街還要包圍交通部說五月一號交通起義要爭取兩輪的權益部長有沒有看到這樣的訊息有我知道他們要來那過去就是機車我還是一樣就是說包括他們要取消兩段式的走轉重機上國道我想這個課題在我們過去也談到就是說如果\n\n20\n00:07:43,857 --> 00:08:08,786\n這能說服上是安全的對道路安全的我們當然會接受但是在過去談到直接兩段式左轉取消並不是代表更安全那上國道更是有非常多人反對比如說這個重機的行為跟一般小汽車行為部長本期時間已經到了我只是提醒就5月1號既然又有這個遊行跟這個抗議那訴求一定要了解並且\n\n21\n00:08:09,386 --> 00:08:24,332\n我也希望說至少你要有比較高層級的主管官員能夠來接受那並且好好的研議好不好我覺得這一個部分既然有看到各族群的權益都應該要兼顧以上謝謝謝謝謝謝侯孟楷委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n578\t28911\t主席謝謝麻煩請交通部王部長請王部長部長部長好直接跟您請教因為近期內本身也接獲到蠻多這個團體陳情其實有關於營業車跟貨運車這些貨運車輛他們有講到是說好像在疫情這個恢復之後可能是相關的這個保險的部分就他們就取消很多的這個保險業者就是給他們聚寶\n29771\t45187\t尤其是說針對是說他們想要多投保一些相關的一個險甚至除了應該保的險以外的這一些這個什麼賠償的這些險啊部分就保險公司的巨保即便是他們想要提高相關的保費也沒有辦法\n45788\t71634\t我講部長有沒有掌握到這樣的一個訊息對因為那個這主要是在保險公司跟這些職業駕駛他們認為他風險很高所以不接受他的一些但是如果說風險很高他開在路上然後因為風險高可能造成相關的交通事故那才發覺說他沒有足夠的保險能夠來去做理賠或去支應的話那會不會對於用路人的風險更高\n74139\t99273\t會 這個我們有在處理但是他的確保險是在保險公司跟個人他們這個當然我們是期待是有充足的保險對受害人比較有保障就是應該我們期待的是大家用路上路都能夠有保一定程度的保險那如果真的發生交通事故的話也可以有最基本的理賠或是保障\n99913\t116916\t這不管是對開車者不管是對用路者其實都是一個幫助跟保障那您剛也提到了就是說因為他們風險高那就是因為他們風險高所以更應該要有保險而不是說讓他們四處趴趴走但是沒有保險那他們也很無奈啊他們講說他們想保險但是找不到公司給他們保\n117591\t138870\t那個我跟委員來說一下那個我們去年大概有幫這個婚業者跟這個所謂產選公會這邊開個平台那這個基本上他還是要回歸到這個保險的一個機制就是說高保費的部分他們因為有些這個價錢是沒有辦法負擔\n139671\t163171\t那目前我們大概已經有把這樣的一個需求轉給金管會金管會那邊也同意說如果有碰到個案的部分那會可以透過我們那個這個溝通平台他們會來協助但本期看起來他不是個案他是通案因為是公會這邊直接很多的公會直接來找投注無門可能你這個平台他也真的沒有辦法解決問題才會又再來找委員這邊來懲解這樣好不好\n164992\t186878\t部長我今天點出這個問題本身也知道是說這跟金管會也有相關業務我們可能會再由正式的這個陳秦涵然後也再交集我們不管是公路局、路政司以及金管會這邊來開協調會我們來找出一個可行的方案回歸到正題今天的這個違罪不罰的部分真的\n188357\t212921\t對於用路人來講很重要你自己也提到了交通部長任內你最這個遺憾的是沒有辦法降低這樣子一個道案的一個狀況但是很多的營業者也會覺得是說他好像如果說罰太多其實不是罰太多重點是祭典的制度有可能會剝奪他的工作權那一直有推我想先講是說一直有講是說因為這樣的一個上路檢舉而造成檢舉達人氾濫部長有沒有數據檢舉達人到底有多氾濫\n219486\t246494\t這不要笑啊我覺得這很重要譬如說我們所謂的檢舉當然開放檢舉就代表說一般人都可以檢舉那有違規事實就檢舉那有沒有說前幾的比例譬如說八十二十法則嘛百分之八十的檢舉量都是來自百分之二十的檢舉人那有可能這樣就檢舉達人啊還是說前十名的檢舉人他一天檢舉了一百件兩百件我就覺得說他可能就變成是職業檢舉人\n247534\t266135\t響鐘\n266375\t287774\t覺得我沒有舉發的這邊不滿的大部分大概有大概二三十個這樣的民眾時常在寫部長信箱也到交通部也到內政部那這個部分如果說要詳細的數量的話我們要再跟各縣市警察局做一個統計來拉回來您是這個警政組交通組組長嗎是不是是是是好\n288314\t302386\t主長如果說你這樣講話本席就沒有辦法接受因為你們一直推說我這個檢舉的制度上路之後檢舉達人泛濫那我們想要知道說到底多泛濫你應該要讓我們知道說多泛濫啊\n303507\t320243\t你應該講是說我前10名的檢舉量每天檢舉300件檢舉500件那我們合理懷疑判斷他就是檢舉達人或是檢舉魔人職業檢舉人所以要秉除這樣的狀況但你跟我講沒有沒有這個數據啊但是很氾濫啊那\n322762\t346187\t我們就用這樣的理由去講說好我們半年前修的法然後我們現在再把它給修然後違罪不罰那又讓用路人覺得說好不容易有一點數光了好不容易真的我們希望還給用路人乾淨的一個道路空間又突然間又一千二那這樣子不就是變成是說你根本沒有一個明確的理由讓我們今天來做一個討論嗎\n347876\t352831\t報告委員不是嗎?還是你覺得說真的是檢舉達人氾濫還是真的是台灣違規太嚴重?\n356906\t377525\t我覺得這兩者不同喔!檢舉達人泛濫是一個人檢舉一天200件、300件這個叫泛濫但如果說你說每天收到很多的檢舉量那叫台灣違規太嚴重喔!可能很多人看到違規我就因為可以檢舉我就來檢舉那你不能講說因為你檢舉量很多所以你就說啊這樣子泛濫我覺得這完全是不同的\n377785\t406779\t我們把那個違規檢舉的以一百一十二年八百六十九萬件裡面有百分之六十是針對停車跟違規停車那這一些的部分有很多都是某一些民眾就車子一開過去之後阿就一個盡頭來啦組長你沒有這個整理或說你根本沒有這個你不能用形容詞我覺得咱就事論事很多民眾是多少叫很多\n407059\t433852\t好那個組長整理好資料向侯孟楷委員來做報告真的啦你們等一下是不是主席你們等一下要逐條審查我不會這樣做你今天沒有逐條審查我沒有說今天就要逐條審查你今天沒有要逐條我們都是以最嚴謹的態度在4月3號舉辦公聽會然後今天進行詢答然後經過討論之後還會再找時間來做逐條好我肯定主席這樣的一個態度啦\n434372\t462301\t那最後、抱歉三十秒五月一號說重機族群他們要上街還要包圍交通部說五月一號交通起義要爭取兩輪的權益部長有沒有看到這樣的訊息有我知道他們要來那過去就是機車我還是一樣就是說包括他們要取消兩段式的走轉重機上國道我想這個課題在我們過去也談到就是說如果\n463857\t488786\t這能說服上是安全的對道路安全的我們當然會接受但是在過去談到直接兩段式左轉取消並不是代表更安全那上國道更是有非常多人反對比如說這個重機的行為跟一般小汽車行為部長本期時間已經到了我只是提醒就5月1號既然又有這個遊行跟這個抗議那訴求一定要了解並且\n489386\t504332\t我也希望說至少你要有比較高層級的主管官員能夠來接受那並且好好的研議好不好我覺得這一個部分既然有看到各族群的權益都應該要兼顧以上謝謝謝謝謝謝侯孟楷委員\n","txt":"主席謝謝麻煩請交通部王部長請王部長部長部長好直接跟您請教因為近期內本身也接獲到蠻多這個團體陳情其實有關於營業車跟貨運車這些貨運車輛他們有講到是說好像在疫情這個恢復之後可能是相關的這個保險的部分就他們就取消很多的這個保險業者就是給他們聚寶\n尤其是說針對是說他們想要多投保一些相關的一個險甚至除了應該保的險以外的這一些這個什麼賠償的這些險啊部分就保險公司的巨保即便是他們想要提高相關的保費也沒有辦法\n我講部長有沒有掌握到這樣的一個訊息對因為那個這主要是在保險公司跟這些職業駕駛他們認為他風險很高所以不接受他的一些但是如果說風險很高他開在路上然後因為風險高可能造成相關的交通事故那才發覺說他沒有足夠的保險能夠來去做理賠或去支應的話那會不會對於用路人的風險更高\n會 這個我們有在處理但是他的確保險是在保險公司跟個人他們這個當然我們是期待是有充足的保險對受害人比較有保障就是應該我們期待的是大家用路上路都能夠有保一定程度的保險那如果真的發生交通事故的話也可以有最基本的理賠或是保障\n這不管是對開車者不管是對用路者其實都是一個幫助跟保障那您剛也提到了就是說因為他們風險高那就是因為他們風險高所以更應該要有保險而不是說讓他們四處趴趴走但是沒有保險那他們也很無奈啊他們講說他們想保險但是找不到公司給他們保\n那個我跟委員來說一下那個我們去年大概有幫這個婚業者跟這個所謂產選公會這邊開個平台那這個基本上他還是要回歸到這個保險的一個機制就是說高保費的部分他們因為有些這個價錢是沒有辦法負擔\n那目前我們大概已經有把這樣的一個需求轉給金管會金管會那邊也同意說如果有碰到個案的部分那會可以透過我們那個這個溝通平台他們會來協助但本期看起來他不是個案他是通案因為是公會這邊直接很多的公會直接來找投注無門可能你這個平台他也真的沒有辦法解決問題才會又再來找委員這邊來懲解這樣好不好\n部長我今天點出這個問題本身也知道是說這跟金管會也有相關業務我們可能會再由正式的這個陳秦涵然後也再交集我們不管是公路局、路政司以及金管會這邊來開協調會我們來找出一個可行的方案回歸到正題今天的這個違罪不罰的部分真的\n對於用路人來講很重要你自己也提到了交通部長任內你最這個遺憾的是沒有辦法降低這樣子一個道案的一個狀況但是很多的營業者也會覺得是說他好像如果說罰太多其實不是罰太多重點是祭典的制度有可能會剝奪他的工作權那一直有推我想先講是說一直有講是說因為這樣的一個上路檢舉而造成檢舉達人氾濫部長有沒有數據檢舉達人到底有多氾濫\n這不要笑啊我覺得這很重要譬如說我們所謂的檢舉當然開放檢舉就代表說一般人都可以檢舉那有違規事實就檢舉那有沒有說前幾的比例譬如說八十二十法則嘛百分之八十的檢舉量都是來自百分之二十的檢舉人那有可能這樣就檢舉達人啊還是說前十名的檢舉人他一天檢舉了一百件兩百件我就覺得說他可能就變成是職業檢舉人\n響鐘\n覺得我沒有舉發的這邊不滿的大部分大概有大概二三十個這樣的民眾時常在寫部長信箱也到交通部也到內政部那這個部分如果說要詳細的數量的話我們要再跟各縣市警察局做一個統計來拉回來您是這個警政組交通組組長嗎是不是是是是好\n主長如果說你這樣講話本席就沒有辦法接受因為你們一直推說我這個檢舉的制度上路之後檢舉達人泛濫那我們想要知道說到底多泛濫你應該要讓我們知道說多泛濫啊\n你應該講是說我前10名的檢舉量每天檢舉300件檢舉500件那我們合理懷疑判斷他就是檢舉達人或是檢舉魔人職業檢舉人所以要秉除這樣的狀況但你跟我講沒有沒有這個數據啊但是很氾濫啊那\n我們就用這樣的理由去講說好我們半年前修的法然後我們現在再把它給修然後違罪不罰那又讓用路人覺得說好不容易有一點數光了好不容易真的我們希望還給用路人乾淨的一個道路空間又突然間又一千二那這樣子不就是變成是說你根本沒有一個明確的理由讓我們今天來做一個討論嗎\n報告委員不是嗎?還是你覺得說真的是檢舉達人氾濫還是真的是台灣違規太嚴重?\n我覺得這兩者不同喔!檢舉達人泛濫是一個人檢舉一天200件、300件這個叫泛濫但如果說你說每天收到很多的檢舉量那叫台灣違規太嚴重喔!可能很多人看到違規我就因為可以檢舉我就來檢舉那你不能講說因為你檢舉量很多所以你就說啊這樣子泛濫我覺得這完全是不同的\n我們把那個違規檢舉的以一百一十二年八百六十九萬件裡面有百分之六十是針對停車跟違規停車那這一些的部分有很多都是某一些民眾就車子一開過去之後阿就一個盡頭來啦組長你沒有這個整理或說你根本沒有這個你不能用形容詞我覺得咱就事論事很多民眾是多少叫很多\n好那個組長整理好資料向侯孟楷委員來做報告真的啦你們等一下是不是主席你們等一下要逐條審查我不會這樣做你今天沒有逐條審查我沒有說今天就要逐條審查你今天沒有要逐條我們都是以最嚴謹的態度在4月3號舉辦公聽會然後今天進行詢答然後經過討論之後還會再找時間來做逐條好我肯定主席這樣的一個態度啦\n那最後、抱歉三十秒五月一號說重機族群他們要上街還要包圍交通部說五月一號交通起義要爭取兩輪的權益部長有沒有看到這樣的訊息有我知道他們要來那過去就是機車我還是一樣就是說包括他們要取消兩段式的走轉重機上國道我想這個課題在我們過去也談到就是說如果\n這能說服上是安全的對道路安全的我們當然會接受但是在過去談到直接兩段式左轉取消並不是代表更安全那上國道更是有非常多人反對比如說這個重機的行為跟一般小汽車行為部長本期時間已經到了我只是提醒就5月1號既然又有這個遊行跟這個抗議那訴求一定要了解並且\n我也希望說至少你要有比較高層級的主管官員能夠來接受那並且好好的研議好不好我覺得這一個部分既然有看到各族群的權益都應該要兼顧以上謝謝謝謝謝謝侯孟楷委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.578 --> 00:28.911\n主席謝謝麻煩請交通部王部長請王部長部長部長好直接跟您請教因為近期內本身也接獲到蠻多這個團體陳情其實有關於營業車跟貨運車這些貨運車輛他們有講到是說好像在疫情這個恢復之後可能是相關的這個保險的部分就他們就取消很多的這個保險業者就是給他們聚寶\n\n00:29.771 --> 00:45.187\n尤其是說針對是說他們想要多投保一些相關的一個險甚至除了應該保的險以外的這一些這個什麼賠償的這些險啊部分就保險公司的巨保即便是他們想要提高相關的保費也沒有辦法\n\n00:45.788 --> 01:11.634\n我講部長有沒有掌握到這樣的一個訊息對因為那個這主要是在保險公司跟這些職業駕駛他們認為他風險很高所以不接受他的一些但是如果說風險很高他開在路上然後因為風險高可能造成相關的交通事故那才發覺說他沒有足夠的保險能夠來去做理賠或去支應的話那會不會對於用路人的風險更高\n\n01:14.139 --> 01:39.273\n會這個我們有在處理但是他的確保險是在保險公司跟個人他們這個當然我們是期待是有充足的保險對受害人比較有保障就是應該我們期待的是大家用路上路都能夠有保一定程度的保險那如果真的發生交通事故的話也可以有最基本的理賠或是保障\n\n01:39.913 --> 01:56.916\n這不管是對開車者不管是對用路者其實都是一個幫助跟保障那您剛也提到了就是說因為他們風險高那就是因為他們風險高所以更應該要有保險而不是說讓他們四處趴趴走但是沒有保險那他們也很無奈啊他們講說他們想保險但是找不到公司給他們保\n\n01:57.591 --> 02:18.870\n那個我跟委員來說一下那個我們去年大概有幫這個婚業者跟這個所謂產選公會這邊開個平台那這個基本上他還是要回歸到這個保險的一個機制就是說高保費的部分他們因為有些這個價錢是沒有辦法負擔\n\n02:19.671 --> 02:43.171\n那目前我們大概已經有把這樣的一個需求轉給金管會金管會那邊也同意說如果有碰到個案的部分那會可以透過我們那個這個溝通平台他們會來協助但本期看起來他不是個案他是通案因為是公會這邊直接很多的公會直接來找投注無門可能你這個平台他也真的沒有辦法解決問題才會又再來找委員這邊來懲解這樣好不好\n\n02:44.992 --> 03:06.878\n部長我今天點出這個問題本身也知道是說這跟金管會也有相關業務我們可能會再由正式的這個陳秦涵然後也再交集我們不管是公路局、路政司以及金管會這邊來開協調會我們來找出一個可行的方案回歸到正題今天的這個違罪不罰的部分真的\n\n03:08.357 --> 03:32.921\n對於用路人來講很重要你自己也提到了交通部長任內你最這個遺憾的是沒有辦法降低這樣子一個道案的一個狀況但是很多的營業者也會覺得是說他好像如果說罰太多其實不是罰太多重點是祭典的制度有可能會剝奪他的工作權那一直有推我想先講是說一直有講是說因為這樣的一個上路檢舉而造成檢舉達人氾濫部長有沒有數據檢舉達人到底有多氾濫\n\n03:39.486 --> 04:06.494\n這不要笑啊我覺得這很重要譬如說我們所謂的檢舉當然開放檢舉就代表說一般人都可以檢舉那有違規事實就檢舉那有沒有說前幾的比例譬如說八十二十法則嘛百分之八十的檢舉量都是來自百分之二十的檢舉人那有可能這樣就檢舉達人啊還是說前十名的檢舉人他一天檢舉了一百件兩百件我就覺得說他可能就變成是職業檢舉人\n\n04:26.375 --> 04:47.774\n覺得我沒有舉發的這邊不滿的大部分大概有大概二三十個這樣的民眾時常在寫部長信箱也到交通部也到內政部那這個部分如果說要詳細的數量的話我們要再跟各縣市警察局做一個統計來拉回來您是這個警政組交通組組長嗎是不是是是是好\n\n04:48.314 --> 05:02.386\n主長如果說你這樣講話本席就沒有辦法接受因為你們一直推說我這個檢舉的制度上路之後檢舉達人泛濫那我們想要知道說到底多泛濫你應該要讓我們知道說多泛濫啊\n\n05:03.507 --> 05:20.243\n你應該講是說我前10名的檢舉量每天檢舉300件檢舉500件那我們合理懷疑判斷他就是檢舉達人或是檢舉魔人職業檢舉人所以要秉除這樣的狀況但你跟我講沒有沒有這個數據啊但是很氾濫啊那\n\n05:22.762 --> 05:46.187\n我們就用這樣的理由去講說好我們半年前修的法然後我們現在再把它給修然後違罪不罰那又讓用路人覺得說好不容易有一點數光了好不容易真的我們希望還給用路人乾淨的一個道路空間又突然間又一千二那這樣子不就是變成是說你根本沒有一個明確的理由讓我們今天來做一個討論嗎\n\n05:47.876 --> 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