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--> 00:02:28,541\n我想大家其實確實應該把我們的焦點放在所謂高風險的駕駛者其實一開始的時候我想那時候覺得說我們去年在修法覺得要擴大祭典其實有一個核心的想法是覺得說我們要怎麼淘汰或怎麼面對這些這個不良的駕駛其實有這個念頭所以我想問的問題是如果針對這些高風險的駕駛者也就是被吊扣或吊銷駕照的駕駛者\n\n8\n00:02:30,382 --> 00:02:59,331\n交通部現在有什麼管理或教育訓練的機制目前主要當然一般的這個有另外一個就是道安獎席是道安獎席就是說有些項目你回國以後就是參加比如說部長你有參加過道安獎席嗎年輕的時候部長我也參加過年輕的時候你覺得道安獎席參加完道安獎席參加完跟參加後你有沒有從這個道安獎席裡面獲得更多的收穫\n\n9\n00:03:01,318 --> 00:03:28,990\n年輕的時候是感覺去非常沒有面子讓我更遵守法規倒不是從教育面是不想去大安講習不想去大安所以這變成是一種羞辱機制喔對對是你覺得是大安講習重點是讓駕駛者覺得抱歉我在講我年輕我講我年輕的時候你講你年輕的時候現在不是那你現在是一個制度設計者啦現在要有教育的科目對對是這個\n\n10\n00:03:31,371 --> 00:03:46,744\n這個不然我先跟你問喔其實我知道去年交通部有公告有預告這個交通安全規則的修法針對高風險駕駛喔包括掉銷、掉扣一年以上、掉扣一年以下有做了一些區分喔那去年你完成預告那目前進度會怎樣\n\n11\n00:03:47,642 --> 00:03:49,643\n所以我們用吊扣駕照一年以上跟以下來區分嘛對不對然後呢\n\n12\n00:04:15,234 --> 00:04:42,190\n那這次再加入檢討就是說他要以一個六年的週期比如說吊銷駕駛執照重新考領只能領一年有效那這是每年每年那這個部分去年預告現在接下來進度會怎麼樣那我們現在正在重新調整這個道安規則的一個那有沒有期程那現在調整完之後我們會重新再做預告會重新再做預告那什麼時候會預告在這個4月底之前我們會來幫你預告那個\n\n13\n00:04:44,591 --> 00:05:08,793\n市長齁我要跟你們說其實這全部是一個完整的大家針對為什麼針對祭典的事情有這麼多的爭論當時就是覺得這些高風險的價值或者違規的價值或者是不良的價值你要怎麼樣去面對它其實用祭典的做法所以我覺得今天假設我們覺得祭典的做法不是最好的做法祭典做法有其瑕疵那我們要跟人家講清楚那我覺得替代性的做法是什麼\n\n14\n00:05:09,594 --> 00:05:38,356\n那今天包括針對高風險駕駛的這個教育的問題包括是剛剛講說駕照換照的這個問題該講清楚的我覺得我們應該講清楚包括後面的期程告訴大家我不是今天我不用祭典以後我對高風險的駕駛我就雙手一攤重點是我針對這些高風險駕駛我要用什麼做法包括這做法還有沒有精進的空間我覺得這都應該一併的拿出來討論這是我要說的所以對於剛剛說的這些駕照或者是核發這些相關的修法\n\n15\n00:05:38,976 --> 00:05:50,888\n假如要重新預告就讓大家知道我什麼時候預告我的內容是什麼東西還有沒有哪些調整跟經濟的空間都應該在這次修法的時候講清楚這是第一點我要講的第二點我要回到剛剛部長講道安講習我說實話我也參加過道安講習啦我參加過\n\n16\n00:05:54,511 --> 00:06:17,081\n但基本上道安講習的內容就是叫你什麼不要酒駕不要違規大家都講這些事情我覺得部長你可以下去你可以發個問卷問大家一下經過道安講習以後參與過道安講習的人有沒有得到什麼新的收穫我跟大家講道安講習裡面連最近我們哪些法規有新修都無法從上面得知啊\n\n17\n00:06:18,177 --> 00:06:32,712\n所以為什麽現在弄到很多人抱怨是很多人都是在法規修了以後你都是被處罰了以後你才知道有什麽法規修正不然你覺得這OK嗎是我想道遠獎型應該是針對比如說你各種違規的太陽\n\n18\n00:06:34,249 --> 00:06:54,094\n作為一個再教育,我想這部分事實上我也跟公務局談過,在這個相關的教材要不斷的更新,新的法規要不斷...不然我覺得我們就應該明確的要求今天尤其針對高風險的價值,它就應該擔負起更多的更大的回訊的責任包括他可能要被教育的這個內容都應該更多\n\n19\n00:06:54,754 --> 00:07:09,607\n尤其是我們為什麼我都一直搞不清楚為什麼我們沒有一個機制甚至在這些講習裡面都不見你要把道路的法規的變更告訴我們的價值甚至是被被處罰的人為什麼到現在為止都沒有好\n\n20\n00:07:10,367 --> 00:07:13,851\n好,趕快做說明,檢討說明。為什麼沒有?公路局。但是我到現在為止,包括去年修了什麼法?\n\n21\n00:07:28,829 --> 00:07:43,308\n所以大家要多注意什麼事情都沒有在道安講習裡面能夠呈現像這種教育內容的調整好不好一個月一個月提出新的道安講習的內容調整的報告可以嗎一個月部長可以嗎謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1005\t1206\t請王部長請部長\n9258\t35725\t部長最近關於道交條例又再次的修法當然引起很多各界的討論其實這些討論也都還愚波蕩漾那我今天還是想針對這部分來跟部長來討論幾個事情就是說其實我們如果回顧去年到現在從一開始就是從台灣的這個所謂行人的安全的狀況得到受到國際媒體的關注之後\n37825\t58243\t其實我覺得我們很多討論都一直圍繞著怎麼祭典、怎麼檢舉、怎麼提高罰則其實大概都很多尤其在立法院的討論裡面很多都聚焦在這些末端管制的角度來去處理問題坦白說我認為這也是我們現在遇到這個左右為難的問題之所在\n60845\t74392\t我講部長一定很清楚知道如果我們從交通安全管理的角度來說的話大家一直在講到所謂交通的三一工程教育執法裡面我們剛才在講末端管制就是最後的這個一直都是這個執法端該怎麼執法的這個問題\n76053\t102548\t但一直以來對於工程端跟教育端的討論比較少但工程端其實我認為行政部門是有處理的包括去年這個在我們這個行政綱領裡面這個四年四百億的經費包括前幾天剛三讀通過的這個行政安全設施條例裡面就是要去處理工程的問題但我們一直比較少處理的其實是所謂這個教育的問題\n103991\t121106\t那部長我知道我們其實從駕駛者管理的角度來說現在大概靠幾個環節在處理第一個大概是駕照的核發然後後面大概有所謂吊扣吊銷來做管理但我這邊想問部長針對很多這些高風險的駕駛者\n122907\t148541\t我想大家其實確實應該把我們的焦點放在所謂高風險的駕駛者其實一開始的時候我想那時候覺得說我們去年在修法覺得要擴大祭典其實有一個核心的想法是覺得說我們要怎麼淘汰或怎麼面對這些這個不良的駕駛其實有這個念頭所以我想問的問題是如果針對這些高風險的駕駛者也就是被吊扣或吊銷駕照的駕駛者\n150382\t179331\t交通部現在有什麼管理或教育訓練的機制目前主要當然一般的這個有另外一個就是道安獎席是道安獎席就是說有些項目你回國以後就是參加比如說部長你有參加過道安獎席嗎年輕的時候部長我也參加過年輕的時候你覺得道安獎席參加完道安獎席參加完跟參加後你有沒有從這個道安獎席裡面獲得更多的收穫\n181318\t208990\t年輕的時候是感覺去非常沒有面子讓我更遵守法規倒不是從教育面是不想去大安講習不想去大安所以這變成是一種羞辱機制喔對對是你覺得是大安講習重點是讓駕駛者覺得抱歉我在講我年輕我講我年輕的時候你講你年輕的時候現在不是那你現在是一個制度設計者啦現在要有教育的科目對對是這個\n211371\t226744\t這個不然我先跟你問喔其實我知道去年交通部有公告有預告這個交通安全規則的修法針對高風險駕駛喔包括掉銷、掉扣一年以上、掉扣一年以下有做了一些區分喔那去年你完成預告那目前進度會怎樣\n227642\t229643\t所以我們用吊扣駕照一年以上跟以下來區分嘛對不對然後呢\n255234\t282190\t那這次再加入檢討就是說他要以一個六年的週期比如說吊銷駕駛執照重新考領只能領一年有效那這是每年每年那這個部分去年預告現在接下來進度會怎麼樣那我們現在正在重新調整這個道安規則的一個那有沒有期程那現在調整完之後我們會重新再做預告會重新再做預告那什麼時候會預告在這個4月底之前我們會來幫你預告那個\n284591\t308793\t市長齁我要跟你們說其實這全部是一個完整的大家針對為什麼針對祭典的事情有這麼多的爭論當時就是覺得這些高風險的價值或者違規的價值或者是不良的價值你要怎麼樣去面對它其實用祭典的做法所以我覺得今天假設我們覺得祭典的做法不是最好的做法祭典做法有其瑕疵那我們要跟人家講清楚那我覺得替代性的做法是什麼\n309594\t338356\t那今天包括針對高風險駕駛的這個教育的問題包括是剛剛講說駕照換照的這個問題該講清楚的我覺得我們應該講清楚包括後面的期程告訴大家我不是今天我不用祭典以後我對高風險的駕駛我就雙手一攤重點是我針對這些高風險駕駛我要用什麼做法包括這做法還有沒有精進的空間我覺得這都應該一併的拿出來討論這是我要說的所以對於剛剛說的這些駕照或者是核發這些相關的修法\n338976\t350888\t假如要重新預告就讓大家知道我什麼時候預告我的內容是什麼東西還有沒有哪些調整跟經濟的空間都應該在這次修法的時候講清楚這是第一點我要講的第二點我要回到剛剛部長講道安講習我說實話我也參加過道安講習啦我參加過\n354511\t377081\t但基本上道安講習的內容就是叫你什麼不要酒駕不要違規大家都講這些事情我覺得部長你可以下去你可以發個問卷問大家一下經過道安講習以後參與過道安講習的人有沒有得到什麼新的收穫我跟大家講道安講習裡面連最近我們哪些法規有新修都無法從上面得知啊\n378177\t392712\t所以為什麽現在弄到很多人抱怨是很多人都是在法規修了以後你都是被處罰了以後你才知道有什麽法規修正不然你覺得這OK嗎是我想道遠獎型應該是針對比如說你各種違規的太陽\n394249\t414094\t作為一個再教育,我想這部分事實上我也跟公務局談過,在這個相關的教材要不斷的更新,新的法規要不斷... 不然我覺得我們就應該明確的要求今天尤其針對高風險的價值,它就應該擔負起更多的更大的回訊的責任包括他可能要被教育的這個內容都應該更多\n414754\t429607\t尤其是我們為什麼我都一直搞不清楚為什麼我們沒有一個機制甚至在這些講習裡面都不見你要把道路的法規的變更告訴我們的價值甚至是被被處罰的人為什麼到現在為止都沒有好\n430367\t433851\t好,趕快做說明,檢討說明。為什麼沒有?公路局。但是我到現在為止,包括去年修了什麼法?\n448829\t463308\t所以大家要多注意什麼事情都沒有在道安講習裡面能夠呈現像這種教育內容的調整好不好一個月一個月提出新的道安講習的內容調整的報告可以嗎一個月部長可以嗎謝謝\n","txt":"請王部長請部長\n部長最近關於道交條例又再次的修法當然引起很多各界的討論其實這些討論也都還愚波蕩漾那我今天還是想針對這部分來跟部長來討論幾個事情就是說其實我們如果回顧去年到現在從一開始就是從台灣的這個所謂行人的安全的狀況得到受到國際媒體的關注之後\n其實我覺得我們很多討論都一直圍繞著怎麼祭典、怎麼檢舉、怎麼提高罰則其實大概都很多尤其在立法院的討論裡面很多都聚焦在這些末端管制的角度來去處理問題坦白說我認為這也是我們現在遇到這個左右為難的問題之所在\n我講部長一定很清楚知道如果我們從交通安全管理的角度來說的話大家一直在講到所謂交通的三一工程教育執法裡面我們剛才在講末端管制就是最後的這個一直都是這個執法端該怎麼執法的這個問題\n但一直以來對於工程端跟教育端的討論比較少但工程端其實我認為行政部門是有處理的包括去年這個在我們這個行政綱領裡面這個四年四百億的經費包括前幾天剛三讀通過的這個行政安全設施條例裡面就是要去處理工程的問題但我們一直比較少處理的其實是所謂這個教育的問題\n那部長我知道我們其實從駕駛者管理的角度來說現在大概靠幾個環節在處理第一個大概是駕照的核發然後後面大概有所謂吊扣吊銷來做管理但我這邊想問部長針對很多這些高風險的駕駛者\n我想大家其實確實應該把我們的焦點放在所謂高風險的駕駛者其實一開始的時候我想那時候覺得說我們去年在修法覺得要擴大祭典其實有一個核心的想法是覺得說我們要怎麼淘汰或怎麼面對這些這個不良的駕駛其實有這個念頭所以我想問的問題是如果針對這些高風險的駕駛者也就是被吊扣或吊銷駕照的駕駛者\n交通部現在有什麼管理或教育訓練的機制目前主要當然一般的這個有另外一個就是道安獎席是道安獎席就是說有些項目你回國以後就是參加比如說部長你有參加過道安獎席嗎年輕的時候部長我也參加過年輕的時候你覺得道安獎席參加完道安獎席參加完跟參加後你有沒有從這個道安獎席裡面獲得更多的收穫\n年輕的時候是感覺去非常沒有面子讓我更遵守法規倒不是從教育面是不想去大安講習不想去大安所以這變成是一種羞辱機制喔對對是你覺得是大安講習重點是讓駕駛者覺得抱歉我在講我年輕我講我年輕的時候你講你年輕的時候現在不是那你現在是一個制度設計者啦現在要有教育的科目對對是這個\n這個不然我先跟你問喔其實我知道去年交通部有公告有預告這個交通安全規則的修法針對高風險駕駛喔包括掉銷、掉扣一年以上、掉扣一年以下有做了一些區分喔那去年你完成預告那目前進度會怎樣\n所以我們用吊扣駕照一年以上跟以下來區分嘛對不對然後呢\n那這次再加入檢討就是說他要以一個六年的週期比如說吊銷駕駛執照重新考領只能領一年有效那這是每年每年那這個部分去年預告現在接下來進度會怎麼樣那我們現在正在重新調整這個道安規則的一個那有沒有期程那現在調整完之後我們會重新再做預告會重新再做預告那什麼時候會預告在這個4月底之前我們會來幫你預告那個\n市長齁我要跟你們說其實這全部是一個完整的大家針對為什麼針對祭典的事情有這麼多的爭論當時就是覺得這些高風險的價值或者違規的價值或者是不良的價值你要怎麼樣去面對它其實用祭典的做法所以我覺得今天假設我們覺得祭典的做法不是最好的做法祭典做法有其瑕疵那我們要跟人家講清楚那我覺得替代性的做法是什麼\n那今天包括針對高風險駕駛的這個教育的問題包括是剛剛講說駕照換照的這個問題該講清楚的我覺得我們應該講清楚包括後面的期程告訴大家我不是今天我不用祭典以後我對高風險的駕駛我就雙手一攤重點是我針對這些高風險駕駛我要用什麼做法包括這做法還有沒有精進的空間我覺得這都應該一併的拿出來討論這是我要說的所以對於剛剛說的這些駕照或者是核發這些相關的修法\n假如要重新預告就讓大家知道我什麼時候預告我的內容是什麼東西還有沒有哪些調整跟經濟的空間都應該在這次修法的時候講清楚這是第一點我要講的第二點我要回到剛剛部長講道安講習我說實話我也參加過道安講習啦我參加過\n但基本上道安講習的內容就是叫你什麼不要酒駕不要違規大家都講這些事情我覺得部長你可以下去你可以發個問卷問大家一下經過道安講習以後參與過道安講習的人有沒有得到什麼新的收穫我跟大家講道安講習裡面連最近我們哪些法規有新修都無法從上面得知啊\n所以為什麽現在弄到很多人抱怨是很多人都是在法規修了以後你都是被處罰了以後你才知道有什麽法規修正不然你覺得這OK嗎是我想道遠獎型應該是針對比如說你各種違規的太陽\n作為一個再教育,我想這部分事實上我也跟公務局談過,在這個相關的教材要不斷的更新,新的法規要不斷... 不然我覺得我們就應該明確的要求今天尤其針對高風險的價值,它就應該擔負起更多的更大的回訊的責任包括他可能要被教育的這個內容都應該更多\n尤其是我們為什麼我都一直搞不清楚為什麼我們沒有一個機制甚至在這些講習裡面都不見你要把道路的法規的變更告訴我們的價值甚至是被被處罰的人為什麼到現在為止都沒有好\n好,趕快做說明,檢討說明。為什麼沒有?公路局。但是我到現在為止,包括去年修了什麼法?\n所以大家要多注意什麼事情都沒有在道安講習裡面能夠呈現像這種教育內容的調整好不好一個月一個月提出新的道安講習的內容調整的報告可以嗎一個月部長可以嗎謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.005 --> 00:01.206\n請王部長請部長\n\n00:09.258 --> 00:35.725\n部長最近關於道交條例又再次的修法當然引起很多各界的討論其實這些討論也都還愚波蕩漾那我今天還是想針對這部分來跟部長來討論幾個事情就是說其實我們如果回顧去年到現在從一開始就是從台灣的這個所謂行人的安全的狀況得到受到國際媒體的關注之後\n\n00:37.825 --> 00:58.243\n其實我覺得我們很多討論都一直圍繞著怎麼祭典、怎麼檢舉、怎麼提高罰則其實大概都很多尤其在立法院的討論裡面很多都聚焦在這些末端管制的角度來去處理問題坦白說我認為這也是我們現在遇到這個左右為難的問題之所在\n\n01:00.845 --> 01:14.392\n我講部長一定很清楚知道如果我們從交通安全管理的角度來說的話大家一直在講到所謂交通的三一工程教育執法裡面我們剛才在講末端管制就是最後的這個一直都是這個執法端該怎麼執法的這個問題\n\n01:16.053 --> 01:42.548\n但一直以來對於工程端跟教育端的討論比較少但工程端其實我認為行政部門是有處理的包括去年這個在我們這個行政綱領裡面這個四年四百億的經費包括前幾天剛三讀通過的這個行政安全設施條例裡面就是要去處理工程的問題但我們一直比較少處理的其實是所謂這個教育的問題\n\n01:43.991 --> 02:01.106\n那部長我知道我們其實從駕駛者管理的角度來說現在大概靠幾個環節在處理第一個大概是駕照的核發然後後面大概有所謂吊扣吊銷來做管理但我這邊想問部長針對很多這些高風險的駕駛者\n\n02:02.907 --> 02:28.541\n我想大家其實確實應該把我們的焦點放在所謂高風險的駕駛者其實一開始的時候我想那時候覺得說我們去年在修法覺得要擴大祭典其實有一個核心的想法是覺得說我們要怎麼淘汰或怎麼面對這些這個不良的駕駛其實有這個念頭所以我想問的問題是如果針對這些高風險的駕駛者也就是被吊扣或吊銷駕照的駕駛者\n\n02:30.382 --> 02:59.331\n交通部現在有什麼管理或教育訓練的機制目前主要當然一般的這個有另外一個就是道安獎席是道安獎席就是說有些項目你回國以後就是參加比如說部長你有參加過道安獎席嗎年輕的時候部長我也參加過年輕的時候你覺得道安獎席參加完道安獎席參加完跟參加後你有沒有從這個道安獎席裡面獲得更多的收穫\n\n03:01.318 --> 03:28.990\n年輕的時候是感覺去非常沒有面子讓我更遵守法規倒不是從教育面是不想去大安講習不想去大安所以這變成是一種羞辱機制喔對對是你覺得是大安講習重點是讓駕駛者覺得抱歉我在講我年輕我講我年輕的時候你講你年輕的時候現在不是那你現在是一個制度設計者啦現在要有教育的科目對對是這個\n\n03:31.371 --> 03:46.744\n這個不然我先跟你問喔其實我知道去年交通部有公告有預告這個交通安全規則的修法針對高風險駕駛喔包括掉銷、掉扣一年以上、掉扣一年以下有做了一些區分喔那去年你完成預告那目前進度會怎樣\n\n03:47.642 --> 03:49.643\n所以我們用吊扣駕照一年以上跟以下來區分嘛對不對然後呢\n\n04:15.234 --> 04:42.190\n那這次再加入檢討就是說他要以一個六年的週期比如說吊銷駕駛執照重新考領只能領一年有效那這是每年每年那這個部分去年預告現在接下來進度會怎麼樣那我們現在正在重新調整這個道安規則的一個那有沒有期程那現在調整完之後我們會重新再做預告會重新再做預告那什麼時候會預告在這個4月底之前我們會來幫你預告那個\n\n04:44.591 --> 05:08.793\n市長齁我要跟你們說其實這全部是一個完整的大家針對為什麼針對祭典的事情有這麼多的爭論當時就是覺得這些高風險的價值或者違規的價值或者是不良的價值你要怎麼樣去面對它其實用祭典的做法所以我覺得今天假設我們覺得祭典的做法不是最好的做法祭典做法有其瑕疵那我們要跟人家講清楚那我覺得替代性的做法是什麼\n\n05:09.594 --> 05:38.356\n那今天包括針對高風險駕駛的這個教育的問題包括是剛剛講說駕照換照的這個問題該講清楚的我覺得我們應該講清楚包括後面的期程告訴大家我不是今天我不用祭典以後我對高風險的駕駛我就雙手一攤重點是我針對這些高風險駕駛我要用什麼做法包括這做法還有沒有精進的空間我覺得這都應該一併的拿出來討論這是我要說的所以對於剛剛說的這些駕照或者是核發這些相關的修法\n\n05:38.976 --> 05:50.888\n假如要重新預告就讓大家知道我什麼時候預告我的內容是什麼東西還有沒有哪些調整跟經濟的空間都應該在這次修法的時候講清楚這是第一點我要講的第二點我要回到剛剛部長講道安講習我說實話我也參加過道安講習啦我參加過\n\n05:54.511 --> 06:17.081\n但基本上道安講習的內容就是叫你什麼不要酒駕不要違規大家都講這些事情我覺得部長你可以下去你可以發個問卷問大家一下經過道安講習以後參與過道安講習的人有沒有得到什麼新的收穫我跟大家講道安講習裡面連最近我們哪些法規有新修都無法從上面得知啊\n\n06:18.177 --> 06:32.712\n所以為什麽現在弄到很多人抱怨是很多人都是在法規修了以後你都是被處罰了以後你才知道有什麽法規修正不然你覺得這OK嗎是我想道遠獎型應該是針對比如說你各種違規的太陽\n\n06:34.249 --> 06:54.094\n作為一個再教育,我想這部分事實上我也跟公務局談過,在這個相關的教材要不斷的更新,新的法規要不斷...不然我覺得我們就應該明確的要求今天尤其針對高風險的價值,它就應該擔負起更多的更大的回訊的責任包括他可能要被教育的這個內容都應該更多\n\n06:54.754 --> 07:09.607\n尤其是我們為什麼我都一直搞不清楚為什麼我們沒有一個機制甚至在這些講習裡面都不見你要把道路的法規的變更告訴我們的價值甚至是被被處罰的人為什麼到現在為止都沒有好\n\n07:10.367 --> 07:13.851\n好,趕快做說明,檢討說明。為什麼沒有?公路局。但是我到現在為止,包括去年修了什麼法?\n\n07:28.829 --> 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