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00:00:10,298\n謝謝主席,次長有請我們請次長,謝謝這我們今天討論的地方制度法是修正那先討論這個原住民的部分剛剛大體上我們也聽了不同的委員對這個法案的不同的想法那其中很多人去提到原住民的身份的認定從光復之後到現在都沒有檢討修正是不是要一併來做處理這當然有一定的道理\n\n2\n00:00:33,926 --> 00:00:53,312\n當然委員有提到有關席次的總額是不是也要做一併的檢討這些當然都可以討論這本席也同意去做討論但我就要問這過去八年為什麼都不做呢?你要不要回答一下我想以前也曾經都有討論過這些不是說沒有討論\n\n3\n00:00:54,420 --> 00:01:08,779\n只是說現在有正式有提案嘛提案要去討論這個東西那我們就回過頭來看說這個肺炎命香的這個3D原珠瓶在整個目前現行的地制法三十三條是沒有沒有沒有保障到這一塊\n\n4\n00:01:09,620 --> 00:01:29,570\n所以說眼下立刻在面對的其實就是這些沒有山地鄉的縣市相對來講山地原住民的投票權益他其實變相被剝奪也就理論上我們按照法律的精神跟規則我們應該選出山地原住民的代表但實務上法規的缺漏讓他們沒有辦法選出山地原住民的代表甚至要去選一般的漢人的這個區域的議員這是不是一個問題\n\n5\n00:01:34,935 --> 00:01:57,114\n是一個問題對不對?是。所以即便大家去談說原住民的身份要不要一起做檢討?席次的總和要一起做檢討?這都不構成啦!今天這個法案因為知識體大因為要檢討所以我們懷疑、在意我想是不構成這樣子的理由啦!次長同意我這樣的說法嗎?是。不過我報告委員我要特別強調整個雖然現在沒有\n\n6\n00:01:58,074 --> 00:02:12,262\n現在這個保障沒有保障到這一塊,不代表他沒有參政權,他還是有參政權。對,他的參政權在實際上就是變相被剝奪。我剛剛講了嘛,他應該要有自己的代表,可是實務上他做不到這件事情。所以我想這修法條更動其實數量不多啦。\n\n7\n00:02:12,702 --> 00:02:13,922\n三、審查委員賴士葆等20人擬具\n\n8\n00:02:30,828 --> 00:02:45,772\n因為你通過那間檢討又變成知識體大就又變成實際上在台灣佔有多數的非原住民的民意代表在決定這群人的命運我覺得好像也不是太妥適啦所以作為權宜的機制我是希望這樣子的法案修正可以盡速的來過關那當然同步啊\n\n9\n00:02:48,373 --> 00:03:10,012\n我們就開始針對原住民的身份針對席浙總和做大體的討論兩者並進其實是不衝突的這樣子我們在短期內兼顧了這樣子目前參政權受到偏向剝奪政權的權益但是我們也開始針對長遠的制度規則做討論市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎\n\n10\n00:03:17,229 --> 00:03:39,406\n第二部分我們今天討論地方制度法除了我們討論原住民的權益之外另外也討論到直轄市、縣市合併改制升格的狀況過去行政院主政的政務委員曾經講我們在討論過去的行政區劃程序法或者是行政區劃法的規定的時候他們有講說現在地制法就可以啦可是從法理的角度來講\n\n11\n00:03:40,607 --> 00:04:04,137\n2010年所適用的地方制度法市社合併改制的規定是因為我們沒有行政區劃法因為沒有行政區劃法所以它是一個權宜的措施市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市\n\n12\n00:04:07,611 --> 00:04:22,736\n後來因為還一直在討論因為有些不同的意見那內政部是不是應該要趕快加緊來做討論我們現在已經送到院裡面院員審查那有一些要補充資料現在退這個回到我們部裡面我們再整理一些補充資料這個喔\n\n13\n00:04:23,996 --> 00:04:39,493\n第九屆就提過,第十屆委員也提過,民進黨也有提過,民眾黨曾經也都提過,但都沒有辦法完成立法。我是覺得非常可惜啦。當然大家都講說行政區化這件事情可能要盡量求穩定,可是怎麼樣要有一個遊戲規則嘛。\n\n14\n00:04:40,794 --> 00:05:06,227\n那也要有遊戲規則讓大家有一個遊戲規則可以去依循的時候我們才能夠基於選區生活品質的需要來去做行政區化的合理調整讓它切合真正生活圈的這樣一個規範嘛對不對所以我想這個法案有絕對的必要性而且它是絕對是民生法案本期在這裡表達我們的立場嘛我不希望這樣子的民生法案因為立法院難免政治位很濃厚但是政治位再怎麼濃厚我們都不能耽誤民生法案的修法\n\n15\n00:05:06,587 --> 00:05:25,945\n那既然這個我們未來的總統這過去他在行政院長的時候是他的重要的施政目標我也希望未來的內政部啊把行政缺乏法律修訂啊那會第一優先的目標市長同意嗎這個我們會加速來做有沒有一個具體的時間表你剛剛講說已經送到立法院然後有一定的有一定的期程什麼時候我們可以看到院版的草案\n\n16\n00:05:29,557 --> 00:05:51,304\n報告委員這一部分我們在補充資料我們會馬上送到行政院去做審理那馬上大概有沒有一個比如一個月內兩個月大概可以看到草案嘛對不對我們要看到草案我們才做功課準備要修法嘛是我們會盡量快啦因為行政院那邊的審理的時間我們沒辦法去掌握不過我們這邊會你不是行政院的代表你行政院審議時間沒有辦法掌控\n\n17\n00:05:52,317 --> 00:06:17,123\n我沒辦法因為送到行政院行政院什麼時候開會也就送到你長官放在長官的桌上就對了也不會啦你今天回去這個跟院內報告的時候你就講委員都非常關心這個法案的修正好不好希望他趕快有一個版本可以出來那本席當然啦這個試測我選區的權益啊我們的選區就有地處邊界就有很多的地方是希望透過行政計畫的合理調整讓生活圈能夠一致有這樣的需求\n\n18\n00:06:17,543 --> 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對不對所以我想這個法案有絕對的必要性而且它是絕對是民生法案本期在這裡表達我們的立場嘛我不希望這樣子的民生法案因為立法院難免政治位很濃厚但是政治位再怎麼濃厚我們都不能耽誤民生法案的修法\n306587\t325945\t那既然這個我們未來的總統這過去他在行政院長的時候是他的重要的施政目標我也希望未來的內政部啊把行政缺乏法律修訂啊那會第一優先的目標市長同意嗎這個我們會加速來做有沒有一個具體的時間表你剛剛講說已經送到立法院然後有一定的有一定的期程什麼時候我們可以看到院版的草案\n329557\t351304\t報告委員這一部分我們在補充資料我們會馬上送到行政院去做審理那馬上大概有沒有一個比如一個月內兩個月大概可以看到草案嘛對不對我們要看到草案我們才做功課準備要修法嘛是我們會盡量快啦因為行政院那邊的審理的時間我們沒辦法去掌握不過我們這邊會你不是行政院的代表你行政院審議時間沒有辦法掌控\n352317\t377123\t我沒辦法因為送到行政院行政院什麼時候開會也就送到你長官放在長官的桌上就對了也不會啦你今天回去這個跟院內報告的時候你就講委員都非常關心這個法案的修正好不好希望他趕快有一個版本可以出來那本席當然啦這個試測我選區的權益啊我們的選區就有地處邊界就有很多的地方是希望透過行政計畫的合理調整讓生活圈能夠一致有這樣的需求\n377543\t404312\t所以本席也會提出相關的立法草案但是既然這個是不分藍綠的一個施政方向當然也要有一個院版認為可以執行的草案大家來討論的時候它會比較具體啦所以說我們也不要說到最後只有委員的版本沒有行政院的版本這樣是不太好的好不好所以這個是我再提醒這是賴清德準總統曾經的非常重要的目標我希望在這個任期裡面可以讓這個法案可以順利的修正來過關大家充分來做討論可以嗎好謝謝市長辛苦了\n406684\t407047\t好,謝謝了,謝謝聽會員的資訊,謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,次長有請我們請次長,謝謝這我們今天討論的地方制度法是修正那先討論這個原住民的部分剛剛大體上我們也聽了不同的委員對這個法案的不同的想法那其中很多人去提到原住民的身份的認定從光復之後到現在都沒有檢討修正是不是要一併來做處理這當然有一定的道理\n當然委員有提到有關席次的總額是不是也要做一併的檢討這些當然都可以討論這本席也同意去做討論但我就要問這過去八年為什麼都不做呢?你要不要回答一下我想以前也曾經都有討論過這些不是說沒有討論\n只是說現在有正式有提案嘛提案要去討論這個東西那我們就回過頭來看說這個肺炎命香的這個3D原珠瓶在整個目前現行的地制法三十三條是沒有沒有沒有保障到這一塊\n所以說眼下立刻在面對的其實就是這些沒有山地鄉的縣市相對來講山地原住民的投票權益他其實變相被剝奪也就理論上我們按照法律的精神跟規則我們應該選出山地原住民的代表但實務上法規的缺漏讓他們沒有辦法選出山地原住民的代表甚至要去選一般的漢人的這個區域的議員這是不是一個問題\n是一個問題對不對?是。所以即便大家去談說原住民的身份要不要一起做檢討?席次的總和要一起做檢討?這都不構成啦!今天這個法案因為知識體大因為要檢討所以我們懷疑、在意我想是不構成這樣子的理由啦!次長同意我這樣的說法嗎?是。不過我報告委員我要特別強調整個雖然現在沒有\n現在這個保障沒有保障到這一塊,不代表他沒有參政權,他還是有參政權。對,他的參政權在實際上就是變相被剝奪。我剛剛講了嘛,他應該要有自己的代表,可是實務上他做不到這件事情。所以我想這修法條更動其實數量不多啦。\n三、審查委員賴士葆等20人擬具\n因為你通過那間檢討又變成知識體大就又變成實際上在台灣佔有多數的非原住民的民意代表在決定這群人的命運我覺得好像也不是太妥適啦所以作為權宜的機制我是希望這樣子的法案修正可以盡速的來過關那當然同步啊\n我們就開始針對原住民的身份針對席浙總和做大體的討論兩者並進其實是不衝突的這樣子我們在短期內兼顧了這樣子目前參政權受到偏向剝奪政權的權益但是我們也開始針對長遠的制度規則做討論市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎\n第二部分我們今天討論地方制度法除了我們討論原住民的權益之外另外也討論到直轄市、縣市合併改制升格的狀況過去行政院主政的政務委員曾經講我們在討論過去的行政區劃程序法或者是行政區劃法的規定的時候他們有講說現在地制法就可以啦可是從法理的角度來講\n2010年所適用的地方制度法市社合併改制的規定是因為我們沒有行政區劃法因為沒有行政區劃法所以它是一個權宜的措施市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市\n後來因為還一直在討論因為有些不同的意見那內政部是不是應該要趕快加緊來做討論我們現在已經送到院裡面院員審查那有一些要補充資料現在退這個回到我們部裡面我們再整理一些補充資料這個喔\n第九屆就提過,第十屆委員也提過,民進黨也有提過,民眾黨曾經也都提過,但都沒有辦法完成立法。我是覺得非常可惜啦。當然大家都講說行政區化這件事情可能要盡量求穩定,可是怎麼樣要有一個遊戲規則嘛。\n那也要有遊戲規則讓大家有一個遊戲規則可以去依循的時候我們才能夠基於選區生活品質的需要來去做行政區化的合理調整讓它切合真正生活圈的這樣一個規範嘛 對不對所以我想這個法案有絕對的必要性而且它是絕對是民生法案本期在這裡表達我們的立場嘛我不希望這樣子的民生法案因為立法院難免政治位很濃厚但是政治位再怎麼濃厚我們都不能耽誤民生法案的修法\n那既然這個我們未來的總統這過去他在行政院長的時候是他的重要的施政目標我也希望未來的內政部啊把行政缺乏法律修訂啊那會第一優先的目標市長同意嗎這個我們會加速來做有沒有一個具體的時間表你剛剛講說已經送到立法院然後有一定的有一定的期程什麼時候我們可以看到院版的草案\n報告委員這一部分我們在補充資料我們會馬上送到行政院去做審理那馬上大概有沒有一個比如一個月內兩個月大概可以看到草案嘛對不對我們要看到草案我們才做功課準備要修法嘛是我們會盡量快啦因為行政院那邊的審理的時間我們沒辦法去掌握不過我們這邊會你不是行政院的代表你行政院審議時間沒有辦法掌控\n我沒辦法因為送到行政院行政院什麼時候開會也就送到你長官放在長官的桌上就對了也不會啦你今天回去這個跟院內報告的時候你就講委員都非常關心這個法案的修正好不好希望他趕快有一個版本可以出來那本席當然啦這個試測我選區的權益啊我們的選區就有地處邊界就有很多的地方是希望透過行政計畫的合理調整讓生活圈能夠一致有這樣的需求\n所以本席也會提出相關的立法草案但是既然這個是不分藍綠的一個施政方向當然也要有一個院版認為可以執行的草案大家來討論的時候它會比較具體啦所以說我們也不要說到最後只有委員的版本沒有行政院的版本這樣是不太好的好不好所以這個是我再提醒這是賴清德準總統曾經的非常重要的目標我希望在這個任期裡面可以讓這個法案可以順利的修正來過關大家充分來做討論可以嗎好謝謝市長辛苦了\n好,謝謝了,謝謝聽會員的資訊,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.277 --> 00:10.298\n謝謝主席,次長有請我們請次長,謝謝這我們今天討論的地方制度法是修正那先討論這個原住民的部分剛剛大體上我們也聽了不同的委員對這個法案的不同的想法那其中很多人去提到原住民的身份的認定從光復之後到現在都沒有檢討修正是不是要一併來做處理這當然有一定的道理\n\n00:33.926 --> 00:53.312\n當然委員有提到有關席次的總額是不是也要做一併的檢討這些當然都可以討論這本席也同意去做討論但我就要問這過去八年為什麼都不做呢?你要不要回答一下我想以前也曾經都有討論過這些不是說沒有討論\n\n00:54.420 --> 01:08.779\n只是說現在有正式有提案嘛提案要去討論這個東西那我們就回過頭來看說這個肺炎命香的這個3D原珠瓶在整個目前現行的地制法三十三條是沒有沒有沒有保障到這一塊\n\n01:09.620 --> 01:29.570\n所以說眼下立刻在面對的其實就是這些沒有山地鄉的縣市相對來講山地原住民的投票權益他其實變相被剝奪也就理論上我們按照法律的精神跟規則我們應該選出山地原住民的代表但實務上法規的缺漏讓他們沒有辦法選出山地原住民的代表甚至要去選一般的漢人的這個區域的議員這是不是一個問題\n\n01:34.935 --> 01:57.114\n是一個問題對不對?是。所以即便大家去談說原住民的身份要不要一起做檢討?席次的總和要一起做檢討?這都不構成啦!今天這個法案因為知識體大因為要檢討所以我們懷疑、在意我想是不構成這樣子的理由啦!次長同意我這樣的說法嗎?是。不過我報告委員我要特別強調整個雖然現在沒有\n\n01:58.074 --> 02:12.262\n現在這個保障沒有保障到這一塊,不代表他沒有參政權,他還是有參政權。對,他的參政權在實際上就是變相被剝奪。我剛剛講了嘛,他應該要有自己的代表,可是實務上他做不到這件事情。所以我想這修法條更動其實數量不多啦。\n\n02:12.702 --> 02:13.922\n三、審查委員賴士葆等20人擬具\n\n02:30.828 --> 02:45.772\n因為你通過那間檢討又變成知識體大就又變成實際上在台灣佔有多數的非原住民的民意代表在決定這群人的命運我覺得好像也不是太妥適啦所以作為權宜的機制我是希望這樣子的法案修正可以盡速的來過關那當然同步啊\n\n02:48.373 --> 03:10.012\n我們就開始針對原住民的身份針對席浙總和做大體的討論兩者並進其實是不衝突的這樣子我們在短期內兼顧了這樣子目前參政權受到偏向剝奪政權的權益但是我們也開始針對長遠的制度規則做討論市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎?市長同意這樣說法嗎\n\n03:17.229 --> 03:39.406\n第二部分我們今天討論地方制度法除了我們討論原住民的權益之外另外也討論到直轄市、縣市合併改制升格的狀況過去行政院主政的政務委員曾經講我們在討論過去的行政區劃程序法或者是行政區劃法的規定的時候他們有講說現在地制法就可以啦可是從法理的角度來講\n\n03:40.607 --> 04:04.137\n2010年所適用的地方制度法市社合併改制的規定是因為我們沒有行政區劃法因為沒有行政區劃法所以它是一個權宜的措施市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市長同意我這樣說法嗎?市\n\n04:07.611 --> 04:22.736\n後來因為還一直在討論因為有些不同的意見那內政部是不是應該要趕快加緊來做討論我們現在已經送到院裡面院員審查那有一些要補充資料現在退這個回到我們部裡面我們再整理一些補充資料這個喔\n\n04:23.996 --> 04:39.493\n第九屆就提過,第十屆委員也提過,民進黨也有提過,民眾黨曾經也都提過,但都沒有辦法完成立法。我是覺得非常可惜啦。當然大家都講說行政區化這件事情可能要盡量求穩定,可是怎麼樣要有一個遊戲規則嘛。\n\n04:40.794 --> 05:06.227\n那也要有遊戲規則讓大家有一個遊戲規則可以去依循的時候我們才能夠基於選區生活品質的需要來去做行政區化的合理調整讓它切合真正生活圈的這樣一個規範嘛對不對所以我想這個法案有絕對的必要性而且它是絕對是民生法案本期在這裡表達我們的立場嘛我不希望這樣子的民生法案因為立法院難免政治位很濃厚但是政治位再怎麼濃厚我們都不能耽誤民生法案的修法\n\n05:06.587 --> 05:25.945\n那既然這個我們未來的總統這過去他在行政院長的時候是他的重要的施政目標我也希望未來的內政部啊把行政缺乏法律修訂啊那會第一優先的目標市長同意嗎這個我們會加速來做有沒有一個具體的時間表你剛剛講說已經送到立法院然後有一定的有一定的期程什麼時候我們可以看到院版的草案\n\n05:29.557 --> 05:51.304\n報告委員這一部分我們在補充資料我們會馬上送到行政院去做審理那馬上大概有沒有一個比如一個月內兩個月大概可以看到草案嘛對不對我們要看到草案我們才做功課準備要修法嘛是我們會盡量快啦因為行政院那邊的審理的時間我們沒辦法去掌握不過我們這邊會你不是行政院的代表你行政院審議時間沒有辦法掌控\n\n05:52.317 --> 06:17.123\n我沒辦法因為送到行政院行政院什麼時候開會也就送到你長官放在長官的桌上就對了也不會啦你今天回去這個跟院內報告的時候你就講委員都非常關心這個法案的修正好不好希望他趕快有一個版本可以出來那本席當然啦這個試測我選區的權益啊我們的選區就有地處邊界就有很多的地方是希望透過行政計畫的合理調整讓生活圈能夠一致有這樣的需求\n\n06:17.543 --> 06:44.312\n所以本席也會提出相關的立法草案但是既然這個是不分藍綠的一個施政方向當然也要有一個院版認為可以執行的草案大家來討論的時候它會比較具體啦所以說我們也不要說到最後只有委員的版本沒有行政院的版本這樣是不太好的好不好所以這個是我再提醒這是賴清德準總統曾經的非常重要的目標我希望在這個任期裡面可以讓這個法案可以順利的修正來過關大家充分來做討論可以嗎好謝謝市長辛苦了\n\n06:46.684 --> 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