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00:02:44,234\n但是非常可惜的是我們內政部一直用各種的理由推脫甚至前不久還透過特定媒體來做放話說這是一個錢坑法案我不大能夠理解因為包括你可以看到這裡面這麼多的這個立法委員跨黨派立委這裡面比如說像吳思耀委員他還是\n\n9\n00:02:45,835 --> 00:03:10,015\n還是執政黨民進黨籍的幹部所以怎麼會說我們跨黨派的委員大家一起說來做一個乾肯法案其實我們是要去調整一個長期不合理的制度所以在這邊想請教次長當立法院裡面已經有這麼多的案子都已經提出來了\n\n10\n00:03:10,996 --> 00:03:30,032\n那麼,我們內政部針對地方議員助理的調整,我們的看法是什麼?報告委員,我想這一個案子大概是所有各黨各派最有共識的一個案子。大家一致同意?是。我想這個24年沒有去調整的確有討論空間了。那至於怎麼調?\n\n11\n00:03:34,756 --> 00:03:53,737\n條的幅度有多少?條的項目怎麼調?我想這個大家必須要還有共識。可以討論嘛,可是不能因為他會增加地方的支出,也確實我們承認會減掉地方支出,可是不能因為這樣子而讓這些助理都一直都不能調薪嘛,對不對?是。\n\n12\n00:03:55,218 --> 00:04:16,011\n所以內政部事實上是可以支持讓這個法案能夠在立法院做充分的討論比如說我也有提出法案但是呢就如同那個次長所說的你的調的方式比如講你的這個助理的人數你的上限包含你的調整的幅度\n\n13\n00:04:16,511 --> 00:04:31,576\n金額其實大家都可以做討論因為有許我沒有去細看其他人的條的方案是什麼但是呢這個事實上是可以做討論所以內政部可以支持是不是我們可以來討論因為有很多方案而且項目也不一樣那這個可以討論\n\n14\n00:04:33,517 --> 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