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00:00:26,835\n委員請主計長。我們請主計長。主計長辛苦了。不會啦,委員才辛苦,要上山下海。對,完全正確。還是要先跟主計長謝謝。這個我們看113年,研民會所這個研築民族綜合發展基金\n\n2\n00:00:28,241 --> 00:00:37,088\n這裏面這個收入裏面了辦理原住民保留地進發補償計劃經費供庫撥補收入這個21億百萬千萬億21億這個非常謝謝但是我還是這個基金基金預算處的處長還有公務預算處的處長也請上來\n\n3\n00:00:57,751 --> 00:01:10,427\n這個是公務那個是基金對主席長為什麼既然全部幾乎百分之百是公庫為什麼一定要撥到這個基金那個是\n\n4\n00:01:12,496 --> 00:01:30,275\n基金是說擺在那邊可以循環使用公庫是每年這個撥一次如果說如果不要原住民發展基金的話那個是怎麼樣那個基金就不能夠重複使用\n\n5\n00:01:30,875 --> 00:01:31,335\n主席主席長\n\n6\n00:01:55,014 --> 00:02:23,914\n你們公務員我也是30年公務員我們還是要依法行政我們看預算法第4條第一項第二款我已經跟主計長講過很多次這個條文了所以8年前就跟你講過了第一次讓這個處長上來看一下預算法第4條第一項第二款凡金付出仍可收回而非用於營業者為作業基金\n\n7\n00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:54,997\n顏住民族中華發展基金收支保管及運用辦法第三條本基金為預算法第四條第一項第二款所定的特種基金所以顏民會的中華發展基金的預算書裏面也提到本基金預算法第四條第二項第二款第四目所定凡付出仍可收回建法補償啊\n\n8\n00:02:56,900 --> 00:02:58,102\n憲政委員會主席\n\n9\n00:03:14,780 --> 00:03:30,666\n這個部分有這樣的一個不同的法律跟那個委員報告一下我們這種基金就是希望他能夠運用能夠回收的所以我們也希望原民會能夠善於運用能夠收回\n\n10\n00:03:32,307 --> 00:03:47,783\n兩、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案2、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案3、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案4、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案5、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案6、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案7、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案8、處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案9、處理中華民國\n\n11\n00:03:49,344 --> 00:03:53,586\n一、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算決議．有關審計一、處理中華民國11年度中央政府總預算決議．有關審計\n\n12\n00:04:15,875 --> 00:04:36,352\n午夜新的內閣就要籌編了520之後開始要籌編明年的預算所以必須要依法行政這個是我們公務人員最基本的所以這個部分怎麼去何況反正公務預算也都不像過去不像過去過去都是\n\n13\n00:04:41,223 --> 00:04:42,324\n兩位處長誰可以說明這個未來基金的處長\n\n14\n00:05:09,085 --> 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