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00:01:20,019\n認為記憶點的方式呢不應該是以金額的大小去做決定而是應該是以他的安全性跟他的危險點來做決定你覺得這樣子的論點你可以同意嗎對我想我們這次是主要從處罰條例九十二條跟裁判細則的第十二條裡面的一千兩百元就是警察如果在這種狀況可以欠倒驅離不處罰\n\n4\n00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:38,859\n用這樣來用所以就是有學者來挑戰了有學者來挑戰就是說不是因為金額的問題比如說像我們在學校大賣場的周邊這樣子那應該是要以他的安全性跟危險點\n\n5\n00:01:41,300 --> 00:01:55,615\n是不是有討論的空間?我覺得這樣,我們現在找到的法源就是過去警察看他違規但是不開罰單叫他趕快走這一種來用一千兩百元但是對於項目我想我尊重大家可以做一些討論\n\n6\n00:01:56,596 --> 00:02:07,882\n就是所以呢應該是違規的頻率跟它的嚴重度跟可控制的原因來作為分析那這個應該要納入一起去討論所以我們看到以吊扣的駕照數量來看2023年5萬470件2022年是6萬9620件\n\n7\n00:02:23,311 --> 00:02:38,967\n去年下降到1.9萬件那表示是有在增進但是這個增進也讓民眾有很多像這個有很多固定的檢舉達人也讓民眾苦不堪言\n\n8\n00:02:40,189 --> 00:03:07,771\n所以在這種情況之下我們在討論的時候本市就希望不是只依照金額來制定而是應該以他的安全度跟危險度來作為定律來加入討論的空間那也謝謝部長剛剛你也同意將他加入大家好好來討論因為我們希望行人安全為本來改善交通的這個事故的目標這個是我們的目標\n\n9\n00:03:08,932 --> 00:03:37,104\n好那接下來本席要也特別再次強調在學區以及這個商業的林庭的這個部分要怎麼樣去調整因為一方面要便利二方面又要安全這個要好好地來做檢討那第二個本席要跟你討論的是這個你們要推動的停讓文化2.0對不對停讓文化2.0我們看到交通部的數字\n\n10\n00:03:38,124 --> 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