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00:01:53,500\n就是因為他覺得把小孩子送到公立高中可能沒有得到完善的照顧所以他寧可把小朋友送到私校比如說他舉了幾個問題第一個問題就是校園安全就是一個很大的問題第二個問題就是現在教改改得亂七八糟的大家無所適從家長寧可把小朋友送到私立高中去讓私立高中好好去照顧\n\n6\n00:01:54,571 --> 00:02:14,211\n那這些都教育部的責任嘛也是國教署的責任結果國教署在回應記者的時候說我們尊重他的選擇權一副就是局外人的樣子不應該是這種態度吧你們的態度應該是說我怎麼去改善公校的品質讓這些家長願意把他們的小朋友送到公校才對啊\n\n7\n00:02:15,219 --> 00:02:37,458\n所以這代表你有沒有覺得這是當責嘛這是你們的責任應該是這樣吧所以請教育部好不好你們去針對因為他問了非常多的老師的意見家長的意見這些都是不具名的不具名代表什麼意思不具名代表說這是真心話啦我之前也曾經質詢過你們部長我也不知道為什麼部長都很少來我們教育文化委員會\n\n8\n00:02:38,419 --> 00:02:58,874\n我看其他的委員會每次不管是國防部還是什麼衛福部都是部長來然後我們這個潘文忠部長每次都派次長來我不知道為什麼他是是怎樣帶退老兵就是已經無心練戰他今天是去哪裡啊跟委員報告昨天部長就來進行專案報告昨天是昨天今天是今天嘛他換人了嗎換人了嗎那他今天去哪裡今天是行政院院會行政院院會\n\n9\n00:03:08,871 --> 00:03:34,940\n那為什麼其他有部會首長來立法院?他們都不用去緊任委員會?為什麼?你們去針對這個瞭解一下好不好?瞭解一下好不好?不要一副就是都跟你們無關的樣子然後也不要粉飾太平那其中裡面有提到一個我覺得這確實是教育部應該要好好檢討的他說\n\n10\n00:03:37,249 --> 00:04:00,019\n有一個校長分析新課綱就有19項議題要弄KPI包括什麼2030雙語政策深深用平板我現在就跟你來檢討一下深深用平板昨天聯合報有一個報導我不知道你們有沒有看到現在說教育部有通令說各學校要求各學校要非常重視開基率\n\n11\n00:04:01,058 --> 00:04:18,090\n所以現在所有老師為了要讓這個平板有開機率所以故意要去安排一些課程然後老師幫忙開機不是學生開機不是學生上課是老師來幫忙開機啦為了要應付教育部訂出來的KPI有沒有這個事情啊\n\n12\n00:04:19,291 --> 00:04:48,124\n跟委員報告,教育部沒有訂這個KPI。沒有訂KPI,那為什麼老師會說他為了要應付上級單位的指示,所以要來做這個事,為什麼?跟委員報告,基本上我們數位學習成效是包含數位學習平台使用情形,平台才是重點,就他沒有使用那個,還有就是說我們也會去看他的學習成績,自主學習量表來評估。那在這主要的是,其實我們在看他的開機率的時候,\n\n13\n00:04:48,664 --> 00:05:09,914\n最主要是我們要來看因為我們希望有所謂的手把手的教導因為有些學校它所以使用率比較低是因為它還是需要一些賠利的過程那我們在這邊有配資源過去所以其實我們是看這個來決定哪些學校優先獲得這樣的協助按照你的說法就是說你們理想跟現實有很大的落差嗎\n\n14\n00:05:11,389 --> 00:05:28,020\n這一點我們再去...對啊,就是有很大的落差,所以才會造成基層變成說老師在幫忙開機嘛。那這一點我們也有...你誠意過高嘛。然後有一些偏鄉的學校因為設備比學生還多,一個人兩台平板啊。那你們平板總共花多少錢?那時候推深深平板總共花多少錢?\n\n15\n00:05:28,936 --> 00:05:43,003\n二、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委\n\n16\n00:05:56,929 --> 00:06:20,513\n我上一次有一個臨時提案就是說現在教育部在推動平權教育平權所以讓大學生還有高中生都補助學費嘛免學費政策對不對這是為了推動教育平權對吧但是有一群漏網之魚就是私立國中直升私立高中的學生他們沒有得到補助對吧這個上次有臨時提案嘛\n\n17\n00:06:20,993 --> 00:06:37,953\n那這個是教育部毀我的文啊說經查這些學生總共有六千多人那如果說那些人也都要補助的話所需經費是三億多這是你們毀我的文嘛對不對你現在是說因為沒有這三億所以不願意補助是這個意思嗎我跟你確認一下\n\n18\n00:06:42,122 --> 00:06:54,892\n財政支出好啦那副組長我跟請教一下當初你們在推這種就是高中值以及大學免學費的時候你有沒有財政考量你當初有沒有考量財政那總共花多少錢\n\n19\n00:06:56,636 --> 00:07:11,177\n大學跟高中值的免學費總共花多少錢?我們現在大學這邊沒有免學費,是拉進。補助啦,補助總共花多少錢?拉進這邊大概是花了190元。190元嘛,然後加高中值多少?高中值這應該是另外一塊。\n\n20\n00:07:13,558 --> 00:07:17,363\n二、審查委員柯志恩等219人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案案。」\n\n21\n00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:53,212\n教育平權這是你們賴清德準總統的選舉政見叫教育平權平權的意思就是大家都一樣不論出生不論收入不論入學方式不論你是男是女是什麼宗教大家都一樣叫平權吧對不對那為什麼你獨獨把這一群因為他是直生的人把它劃掉說對不起我沒有平權但你不平權\n\n22\n00:07:54,239 --> 00:08:09,578\n因為私立高中它這個部分的話會有那個半學的那個獨特性那有什麼關係那還是那你就設條件進去了嘛那你就是設定條件了嘛那你就是設定條件了嘛我現在講的是平權就是沒有條件才叫平權對吧\n\n23\n00:08:10,916 --> 00:08:37,796\n沒有條件那你現在又加條件進來那你要不要再加別的條件進來要不要再加別的條件我們會多收你更多的一點不是所以你今天你給我的理由不合理嘛因為如果是要平權的話就不是以預算來考量如果要以預算考量是兩百多億你都不可以啊為什麼只把這三億挑出來咧這個東西我跟你講大家不能夠接受啦都是你們在那邊講然後大家聽了都覺得前後矛盾\n\n24\n00:08:38,652 --> 00:08:56,671\n所以你這個再給我重新評估好不好什麼時候我們會審慎來不要審慎啦趕快啦因為你就是不合理嘛你們自己都講不出來了好我們一個月之內不要一個月啦你現在這個東西就是不合理嘛你現在跟我說3億你沒有那200億你有\n\n25\n00:09:02,019 --> 00:09:26,289\n希望還是可以給一個月的時間為什麼要一個月?我們都一個月啦,你們每次都一個月然後提案給你就隨便回一個文然後再跟你們講再一個月然後下次你隨便有一個公文我來問你再一個月那會不會問到新總統都...你們不要打臉賴清德好不好你們現在都在打臉賴清德啦因為賴清德說要平權你們都不做啦你們會打臉你們的總統讓你們的賴總統失信於民\n\n26\n00:09:33,257 --> 00:09:33,278\n好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6605\t25631\t麻煩次長還有國教署署長。好,我們請次長跟國教署的副署長。副署長,謝謝。委員早。早喔?這樣早喔?因為這一期有一個商業週刊,它的封面叫做《瘋狂私校潮》。我不知道次長或是副署長有沒有看過?\n28240\t56865\t有沒有看過?因為有看過的話我就可以講簡單一點沒有看過我就要引述一些裡面的數據所以你們看過嗎?他基本上大概是說師中的那一個現在從11%升到15%大概是最主要不只啦他提到就是說現在的師藝高中的報考率非常的高錄取率也下降光是舉個例子像延平中學延平高中去年2700人報考今年有3800人報考增加非常多\n57185\t62577\t所以現在有非常多的家長都寧可把小朋友送到私立高中去,那你們知道原因是什麼嗎?\n67745\t88459\t我想家長有他的教育選擇權那在公立的學校我想我們也是會透過各項的政策去提高公立學校的品質也會積極的維護校園的安全你們在回應商業週刊的回答就是說尊重家長的教育選擇權但是這個教育選擇權有時候是不得不的選擇權\n89600\t113500\t就是因為他覺得把小孩子送到公立高中可能沒有得到完善的照顧所以他寧可把小朋友送到私校比如說他舉了幾個問題第一個問題就是校園安全就是一個很大的問題第二個問題就是現在教改改得亂七八糟的大家無所適從家長寧可把小朋友送到私立高中去讓私立高中好好去照顧\n114571\t134211\t那這些都教育部的責任嘛也是國教署的責任結果國教署在回應記者的時候說我們尊重他的選擇權一副就是局外人的樣子不應該是這種態度吧你們的態度應該是說我怎麼去改善公校的品質讓這些家長願意把他們的小朋友送到公校才對啊\n135219\t157458\t所以這代表你有沒有覺得這是當責嘛這是你們的責任應該是這樣吧所以請教育部好不好你們去針對因為他問了非常多的老師的意見家長的意見這些都是不具名的不具名代表什麼意思不具名代表說這是真心話啦我之前也曾經質詢過你們部長我也不知道為什麼部長都很少來我們教育文化委員會\n158419\t178874\t我看其他的委員會每次不管是國防部還是什麼衛福部都是部長來然後我們這個潘文忠部長每次都派次長來我不知道為什麼他是是怎樣帶退老兵就是已經無心練戰他今天是去哪裡啊跟委員報告昨天部長就來進行專案報告昨天是昨天今天是今天嘛他換人了嗎換人了嗎那他今天去哪裡今天是行政院院會行政院院會\n188871\t214940\t那為什麼其他有部會首長來立法院?他們都不用去緊任委員會?為什麼?你們去針對這個瞭解一下好不好?瞭解一下好不好?不要一副就是都跟你們無關的樣子然後也不要粉飾太平那其中裡面有提到一個我覺得這確實是教育部應該要好好檢討的他說\n217249\t240019\t有一個校長分析新課綱就有19項議題要弄KPI包括什麼2030雙語政策深深用平板我現在就跟你來檢討一下深深用平板昨天聯合報有一個報導我不知道你們有沒有看到現在說教育部有通令說各學校要求各學校要非常重視開基率\n241058\t258090\t所以現在所有老師為了要讓這個平板有開機率所以故意要去安排一些課程然後老師幫忙開機不是學生開機不是學生上課是老師來幫忙開機啦為了要應付教育部訂出來的KPI有沒有這個事情啊\n259291\t288124\t跟委員報告,教育部沒有訂這個KPI。沒有訂KPI,那為什麼老師會說他為了要應付上級單位的指示,所以要來做這個事,為什麼?跟委員報告,基本上我們數位學習成效是包含數位學習平台使用情形,平台才是重點,就他沒有使用那個,還有就是說我們也會去看他的學習成績,自主學習量表來評估。那在這主要的是,其實我們在看他的開機率的時候,\n288664\t309914\t最主要是我們要來看因為我們希望有所謂的手把手的教導因為有些學校它所以使用率比較低是因為它還是需要一些賠利的過程那我們在這邊有配資源過去所以其實我們是看這個來決定哪些學校優先獲得這樣的協助按照你的說法就是說你們理想跟現實有很大的落差嗎\n311389\t328020\t這一點我們再去...對啊,就是有很大的落差,所以才會造成基層變成說老師在幫忙開機嘛。那這一點我們也有...你誠意過高嘛。然後有一些偏鄉的學校因為設備比學生還多,一個人兩台平板啊。那你們平板總共花多少錢?那時候推深深平板總共花多少錢?\n328936\t343003\t二、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委\n356929\t380513\t我上一次有一個臨時提案就是說現在教育部在推動平權教育平權所以讓大學生還有高中生都補助學費嘛免學費政策對不對這是為了推動教育平權對吧但是有一群漏網之魚就是私立國中直升私立高中的學生他們沒有得到補助對吧這個上次有臨時提案嘛\n380993\t397953\t那這個是教育部毀我的文啊說經查這些學生總共有六千多人那如果說那些人也都要補助的話所需經費是三億多這是你們毀我的文嘛 對不對你現在是說因為沒有這三億所以不願意補助是這個意思嗎 我跟你確認一下\n402122\t414892\t財政支出好啦那副組長我跟請教一下當初你們在推這種就是高中值以及大學免學費的時候你有沒有財政考量你當初有沒有考量財政那總共花多少錢\n416636\t431177\t大學跟高中值的免學費總共花多少錢?我們現在大學這邊沒有免學費,是拉進。補助啦,補助總共花多少錢?拉進這邊大概是花了190元。190元嘛,然後加高中值多少?高中值這應該是另外一塊。\n433558\t437363\t二、審查委員柯志恩等219人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案 案。」\n449600\t473212\t教育平權這是你們賴清德準總統的選舉政見叫教育平權平權的意思就是大家都一樣不論出生不論收入不論入學方式不論你是男是女是什麼宗教大家都一樣叫平權吧對不對那為什麼你獨獨把這一群因為他是直生的人把它劃掉說對不起我沒有平權但你不平權\n474239\t489578\t因為私立高中它這個部分的話會有那個半學的那個獨特性那有什麼關係那還是那你就設條件進去了嘛那你就是設定條件了嘛那你就是設定條件了嘛我現在講的是平權就是沒有條件才叫平權對吧\n490916\t517796\t沒有條件 那你現在又加條件進來那你要不要再加別的條件進來要不要再加別的條件我們會多收你更多的一點不是 所以你今天你給我的理由不合理嘛因為如果是要平權的話就不是以預算來考量如果要以預算考量是兩百多億你都不可以啊為什麼只把這三億挑出來咧這個東西我跟你講大家不能夠接受啦都是你們在那邊講然後大家聽了都覺得前後矛盾\n518652\t536671\t所以你這個再給我重新評估好不好什麼時候我們會審慎來不要審慎啦趕快啦因為你就是不合理嘛你們自己都講不出來了好我們一個月之內不要一個月啦你現在這個東西就是不合理嘛你現在跟我說3億你沒有那200億你有\n542019\t566289\t希望還是可以給一個月的時間為什麼要一個月?我們都一個月啦,你們每次都一個月然後提案給你就隨便回一個文然後再跟你們講再一個月然後下次你隨便有一個公文我來問你再一個月那會不會問到新總統都...你們不要打臉賴清德好不好你們現在都在打臉賴清德啦因為賴清德說要平權你們都不做啦你們會打臉你們的總統讓你們的賴總統失信於民\n573257\t573278\t好 謝謝\n","txt":"麻煩次長還有國教署署長。好,我們請次長跟國教署的副署長。副署長,謝謝。委員早。早喔?這樣早喔?因為這一期有一個商業週刊,它的封面叫做《瘋狂私校潮》。我不知道次長或是副署長有沒有看過?\n有沒有看過?因為有看過的話我就可以講簡單一點沒有看過我就要引述一些裡面的數據所以你們看過嗎?他基本上大概是說師中的那一個現在從11%升到15%大概是最主要不只啦他提到就是說現在的師藝高中的報考率非常的高錄取率也下降光是舉個例子像延平中學延平高中去年2700人報考今年有3800人報考增加非常多\n所以現在有非常多的家長都寧可把小朋友送到私立高中去,那你們知道原因是什麼嗎?\n我想家長有他的教育選擇權那在公立的學校我想我們也是會透過各項的政策去提高公立學校的品質也會積極的維護校園的安全你們在回應商業週刊的回答就是說尊重家長的教育選擇權但是這個教育選擇權有時候是不得不的選擇權\n就是因為他覺得把小孩子送到公立高中可能沒有得到完善的照顧所以他寧可把小朋友送到私校比如說他舉了幾個問題第一個問題就是校園安全就是一個很大的問題第二個問題就是現在教改改得亂七八糟的大家無所適從家長寧可把小朋友送到私立高中去讓私立高中好好去照顧\n那這些都教育部的責任嘛也是國教署的責任結果國教署在回應記者的時候說我們尊重他的選擇權一副就是局外人的樣子不應該是這種態度吧你們的態度應該是說我怎麼去改善公校的品質讓這些家長願意把他們的小朋友送到公校才對啊\n所以這代表你有沒有覺得這是當責嘛這是你們的責任應該是這樣吧所以請教育部好不好你們去針對因為他問了非常多的老師的意見家長的意見這些都是不具名的不具名代表什麼意思不具名代表說這是真心話啦我之前也曾經質詢過你們部長我也不知道為什麼部長都很少來我們教育文化委員會\n我看其他的委員會每次不管是國防部還是什麼衛福部都是部長來然後我們這個潘文忠部長每次都派次長來我不知道為什麼他是是怎樣帶退老兵就是已經無心練戰他今天是去哪裡啊跟委員報告昨天部長就來進行專案報告昨天是昨天今天是今天嘛他換人了嗎換人了嗎那他今天去哪裡今天是行政院院會行政院院會\n那為什麼其他有部會首長來立法院?他們都不用去緊任委員會?為什麼?你們去針對這個瞭解一下好不好?瞭解一下好不好?不要一副就是都跟你們無關的樣子然後也不要粉飾太平那其中裡面有提到一個我覺得這確實是教育部應該要好好檢討的他說\n有一個校長分析新課綱就有19項議題要弄KPI包括什麼2030雙語政策深深用平板我現在就跟你來檢討一下深深用平板昨天聯合報有一個報導我不知道你們有沒有看到現在說教育部有通令說各學校要求各學校要非常重視開基率\n所以現在所有老師為了要讓這個平板有開機率所以故意要去安排一些課程然後老師幫忙開機不是學生開機不是學生上課是老師來幫忙開機啦為了要應付教育部訂出來的KPI有沒有這個事情啊\n跟委員報告,教育部沒有訂這個KPI。沒有訂KPI,那為什麼老師會說他為了要應付上級單位的指示,所以要來做這個事,為什麼?跟委員報告,基本上我們數位學習成效是包含數位學習平台使用情形,平台才是重點,就他沒有使用那個,還有就是說我們也會去看他的學習成績,自主學習量表來評估。那在這主要的是,其實我們在看他的開機率的時候,\n最主要是我們要來看因為我們希望有所謂的手把手的教導因為有些學校它所以使用率比較低是因為它還是需要一些賠利的過程那我們在這邊有配資源過去所以其實我們是看這個來決定哪些學校優先獲得這樣的協助按照你的說法就是說你們理想跟現實有很大的落差嗎\n這一點我們再去...對啊,就是有很大的落差,所以才會造成基層變成說老師在幫忙開機嘛。那這一點我們也有...你誠意過高嘛。然後有一些偏鄉的學校因為設備比學生還多,一個人兩台平板啊。那你們平板總共花多少錢?那時候推深深平板總共花多少錢?\n二、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案 案 ﹚一、審查委\n我上一次有一個臨時提案就是說現在教育部在推動平權教育平權所以讓大學生還有高中生都補助學費嘛免學費政策對不對這是為了推動教育平權對吧但是有一群漏網之魚就是私立國中直升私立高中的學生他們沒有得到補助對吧這個上次有臨時提案嘛\n那這個是教育部毀我的文啊說經查這些學生總共有六千多人那如果說那些人也都要補助的話所需經費是三億多這是你們毀我的文嘛 對不對你現在是說因為沒有這三億所以不願意補助是這個意思嗎 我跟你確認一下\n財政支出好啦那副組長我跟請教一下當初你們在推這種就是高中值以及大學免學費的時候你有沒有財政考量你當初有沒有考量財政那總共花多少錢\n大學跟高中值的免學費總共花多少錢?我們現在大學這邊沒有免學費,是拉進。補助啦,補助總共花多少錢?拉進這邊大概是花了190元。190元嘛,然後加高中值多少?高中值這應該是另外一塊。\n二、審查委員柯志恩等219人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案 案。」\n教育平權這是你們賴清德準總統的選舉政見叫教育平權平權的意思就是大家都一樣不論出生不論收入不論入學方式不論你是男是女是什麼宗教大家都一樣叫平權吧對不對那為什麼你獨獨把這一群因為他是直生的人把它劃掉說對不起我沒有平權但你不平權\n因為私立高中它這個部分的話會有那個半學的那個獨特性那有什麼關係那還是那你就設條件進去了嘛那你就是設定條件了嘛那你就是設定條件了嘛我現在講的是平權就是沒有條件才叫平權對吧\n沒有條件 那你現在又加條件進來那你要不要再加別的條件進來要不要再加別的條件我們會多收你更多的一點不是 所以你今天你給我的理由不合理嘛因為如果是要平權的話就不是以預算來考量如果要以預算考量是兩百多億你都不可以啊為什麼只把這三億挑出來咧這個東西我跟你講大家不能夠接受啦都是你們在那邊講然後大家聽了都覺得前後矛盾\n所以你這個再給我重新評估好不好什麼時候我們會審慎來不要審慎啦趕快啦因為你就是不合理嘛你們自己都講不出來了好我們一個月之內不要一個月啦你現在這個東西就是不合理嘛你現在跟我說3億你沒有那200億你有\n希望還是可以給一個月的時間為什麼要一個月?我們都一個月啦,你們每次都一個月然後提案給你就隨便回一個文然後再跟你們講再一個月然後下次你隨便有一個公文我來問你再一個月那會不會問到新總統都...你們不要打臉賴清德好不好你們現在都在打臉賴清德啦因為賴清德說要平權你們都不做啦你們會打臉你們的總統讓你們的賴總統失信於民\n好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.605 --> 00:25.631\n麻煩次長還有國教署署長。好,我們請次長跟國教署的副署長。副署長,謝謝。委員早。早喔?這樣早喔?因為這一期有一個商業週刊,它的封面叫做《瘋狂私校潮》。我不知道次長或是副署長有沒有看過?\n\n00:28.240 --> 00:56.865\n有沒有看過?因為有看過的話我就可以講簡單一點沒有看過我就要引述一些裡面的數據所以你們看過嗎?他基本上大概是說師中的那一個現在從11%升到15%大概是最主要不只啦他提到就是說現在的師藝高中的報考率非常的高錄取率也下降光是舉個例子像延平中學延平高中去年2700人報考今年有3800人報考增加非常多\n\n00:57.185 --> 01:02.577\n所以現在有非常多的家長都寧可把小朋友送到私立高中去,那你們知道原因是什麼嗎?\n\n01:07.745 --> 01:28.459\n我想家長有他的教育選擇權那在公立的學校我想我們也是會透過各項的政策去提高公立學校的品質也會積極的維護校園的安全你們在回應商業週刊的回答就是說尊重家長的教育選擇權但是這個教育選擇權有時候是不得不的選擇權\n\n01:29.600 --> 01:53.500\n就是因為他覺得把小孩子送到公立高中可能沒有得到完善的照顧所以他寧可把小朋友送到私校比如說他舉了幾個問題第一個問題就是校園安全就是一個很大的問題第二個問題就是現在教改改得亂七八糟的大家無所適從家長寧可把小朋友送到私立高中去讓私立高中好好去照顧\n\n01:54.571 --> 02:14.211\n那這些都教育部的責任嘛也是國教署的責任結果國教署在回應記者的時候說我們尊重他的選擇權一副就是局外人的樣子不應該是這種態度吧你們的態度應該是說我怎麼去改善公校的品質讓這些家長願意把他們的小朋友送到公校才對啊\n\n02:15.219 --> 02:37.458\n所以這代表你有沒有覺得這是當責嘛這是你們的責任應該是這樣吧所以請教育部好不好你們去針對因為他問了非常多的老師的意見家長的意見這些都是不具名的不具名代表什麼意思不具名代表說這是真心話啦我之前也曾經質詢過你們部長我也不知道為什麼部長都很少來我們教育文化委員會\n\n02:38.419 --> 02:58.874\n我看其他的委員會每次不管是國防部還是什麼衛福部都是部長來然後我們這個潘文忠部長每次都派次長來我不知道為什麼他是是怎樣帶退老兵就是已經無心練戰他今天是去哪裡啊跟委員報告昨天部長就來進行專案報告昨天是昨天今天是今天嘛他換人了嗎換人了嗎那他今天去哪裡今天是行政院院會行政院院會\n\n03:08.871 --> 03:34.940\n那為什麼其他有部會首長來立法院?他們都不用去緊任委員會?為什麼?你們去針對這個瞭解一下好不好?瞭解一下好不好?不要一副就是都跟你們無關的樣子然後也不要粉飾太平那其中裡面有提到一個我覺得這確實是教育部應該要好好檢討的他說\n\n03:37.249 --> 04:00.019\n有一個校長分析新課綱就有19項議題要弄KPI包括什麼2030雙語政策深深用平板我現在就跟你來檢討一下深深用平板昨天聯合報有一個報導我不知道你們有沒有看到現在說教育部有通令說各學校要求各學校要非常重視開基率\n\n04:01.058 --> 04:18.090\n所以現在所有老師為了要讓這個平板有開機率所以故意要去安排一些課程然後老師幫忙開機不是學生開機不是學生上課是老師來幫忙開機啦為了要應付教育部訂出來的KPI有沒有這個事情啊\n\n04:19.291 --> 04:48.124\n跟委員報告,教育部沒有訂這個KPI。沒有訂KPI,那為什麼老師會說他為了要應付上級單位的指示,所以要來做這個事,為什麼?跟委員報告,基本上我們數位學習成效是包含數位學習平台使用情形,平台才是重點,就他沒有使用那個,還有就是說我們也會去看他的學習成績,自主學習量表來評估。那在這主要的是,其實我們在看他的開機率的時候,\n\n04:48.664 --> 05:09.914\n最主要是我們要來看因為我們希望有所謂的手把手的教導因為有些學校它所以使用率比較低是因為它還是需要一些賠利的過程那我們在這邊有配資源過去所以其實我們是看這個來決定哪些學校優先獲得這樣的協助按照你的說法就是說你們理想跟現實有很大的落差嗎\n\n05:11.389 --> 05:28.020\n這一點我們再去...對啊,就是有很大的落差,所以才會造成基層變成說老師在幫忙開機嘛。那這一點我們也有...你誠意過高嘛。然後有一些偏鄉的學校因為設備比學生還多,一個人兩台平板啊。那你們平板總共花多少錢?那時候推深深平板總共花多少錢?\n\n05:28.936 --> 05:43.003\n二、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具:「國民體育法第四十四條條條文修正草案案﹚一、審查委\n\n05:56.929 --> 06:20.513\n我上一次有一個臨時提案就是說現在教育部在推動平權教育平權所以讓大學生還有高中生都補助學費嘛免學費政策對不對這是為了推動教育平權對吧但是有一群漏網之魚就是私立國中直升私立高中的學生他們沒有得到補助對吧這個上次有臨時提案嘛\n\n06:20.993 --> 06:37.953\n那這個是教育部毀我的文啊說經查這些學生總共有六千多人那如果說那些人也都要補助的話所需經費是三億多這是你們毀我的文嘛對不對你現在是說因為沒有這三億所以不願意補助是這個意思嗎我跟你確認一下\n\n06:42.122 --> 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