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00:02:29,954\n我們應該是賦予警察更重要的社會安全的一個責任嘛那我們現在把這個檢舉制度取消我不認為是對於警察的業務的降低啦那個勤務的降低有幫助啦畢竟你出勤花的時間你可以在內部處理很多件的這個網路的一個檢舉啦那\n\n9\n00:02:33,312 --> 00:03:00,228\n這個當然道路交通的改革啦一定是循序漸進啦那或許在一開始的時候我們走得太快了這個民間社會他沒有辦法接這個有一些反彈的聲浪所以說我們在去年的時候也有調整過一次了嘛就是在一般的紅黃線已經沒有辦法接受民眾檢舉了其實在那一次的調整路權團體的反彈聲浪並沒有那麼的大嘛對不對並沒有像這一次反彈那麼大那也了解我們社會的交通的一個\n\n10\n00:03:00,949 --> 00:03:01,955\n樣態,有時候駕駛人真的\n\n11\n00:03:05,834 --> 00:03:31,223\n違規說實在的啦有開現場有開車的沒有人敢說沒有違規啦我自己開車也會違規但是在違規的時候我們駕駛人會有怎樣的一個心態有黃線的地方我們一定是先停黃線嘛有黃線的地方我們先停黃線沒有黃線的地方那黃線啊大家稍停一下大家平常你你我幫你動一下你幫我動一下大家都會互相體諒但是沒有黃線的地方的時候我們應該是\n\n12\n00:03:32,898 --> 00:03:32,918\n報告﹗\n\n13\n00:03:59,904 --> 00:04:17,216\n有更高的交通安全的因素或是已經侵犯到其他族群的一個通行的安全了所以說這次的反彈才會那麼大嘛那我也包括過剛剛我們趙薇講的我們用1200來做一個區分那確實是比較粗糙老實講實相我也不是說都不能接受啊你說這個\n\n14\n00:04:19,093 --> 00:04:40,454\n安全帽沒戴安全帽說真的沒戴安全帽你影響到的安全是你自己你自己要把自己暴露於這麼危險的交通環境中說實在的那是你的事情說實在的那是你的事情那但是你在交叉處這個入口處停車或者是在連行道你就已經侵犯到有在更危險的情況下嘛\n\n15\n00:04:40,774 --> 00:05:05,148\n所以說當然我這可能有些話已經跟部長討論過了那在後續的審查我也會有我的立場那包括過第1屆第15上次在公聘會因為發生大地震部長不在嘛第1屆第15我認為可以討論嘛因為這個很容易就被針對駕駛的工作權益他被盯上了我個人思維我跟你一天你可能就GG了對不對跟你一天你就掰掰了你就被吊罩了嘛對不對那\n\n16\n00:05:05,828 --> 00:05:31,834\n因為這個責任也不應該駕駛而是店家沒有提供足夠的這個停車的空間給駕駛所以我認為記點支柱是可以調整的但是我們在循序漸進做交通改革的時候我們應該是在引導式的你在不能不而歸的情況下你應該要先去挑比較不會影響到大家的停車的空間包括你也不要去併排嘛我們應該引導他所以說在如果說這一次我們直接取消的話\n\n17\n00:05:33,615 --> 00:05:50,709\n這個檢舉的項目的時候我們可以說是回到了原點那我認為保持現在的狀態應該是一個比較有引導式的方式讓駕駛在逼不得已回歸的時候也要讓駕駛注意哪些地方這個事情沒辦法停車的時候你也不要去那邊停車\n\n18\n00:05:52,251 --> 00:06:12,213\n我個人的立場那包括記點制度你說民眾檢舉那當然我持開放態度那有一些動態的或是比較危險的違規那可能還是要有保留因為這些警方沒有辦法去做檢舉那包括你說檢舉打了一天檢舉了幾百件起檢見這當然也可以限縮啊這個都實名制的\n\n19\n00:06:13,434 --> 00:06:38,705\n我們當然如果說這部分造成警察或是社會很大的一個反感的話我們其實很簡單實名之餘我們去去獻出的一個量就好了而不是說現在的方案直接把原本的推行往要往前走的地方回到回到原點啦那最後的一點時間啊就是我們這個在發生行人事故的時候我們應該要統計哪個年齡層的發生事故的比例最高嗎應該有嗎\n\n20\n00:06:40,046 --> 00:06:40,066\n報告\n\n21\n00:07:02,035 --> 00:07:30,684\n價食啊那行人有時候真的也是要負擔一部分的責任他有沒有手交通安全他們有一個防衛行走的一個比如說防衛價食嗎那行人也要有保護自己的一個概念那其實在地方上都會有很多有清北市政府來講會有很多的地方的老人共餐、重陽街的活動或是其實很多地方性的活動都是長輩會去參加的那其實地方政府都會請一些消防單位、環保單位去做現場的宣導\n\n22\n00:07:31,844 --> 00:07:45,531\n政府也希望說有時候辦活動錢都花了,我們應該有政策宣導的一個目的性在,而不是說大家去那裡可能拿起來便當領個餐盒,我就回家嘛對不對,錢花下去要有效益。那我們監理單位有沒有辦法就是後續針對這些高齡者的族群,我們透過地方舉辦的活動,我們可以去主動去詢問\n\n23\n00:07:51,894 --> 00:08:15,616\n那我們在相關的活動去做一個宣導讓我們的長輩也應該要有一個安全行走的一個觀念而不是說大家絕對不會同意行人絕對是最大的一定是一代互相尊重大家都在走交通安全那這部分部長怎麼看?第一個就是去年雖然我先前面的問題啦去年雖然我們有處理那個是一個很臨時性的處理那因為今天要送到這個立法院來修稿我們必須系統性的\n\n24\n00:08:17,037 --> 00:08:39,233\n那我剛才談到一千兩百元是在我們處罰條例九十二條跟我們的施行細則裡面有規範這個叫做不宜舉花他已經有了啊說明就用這樣的一個基礎來做系統性的那當然實相裡面要不要改我想我尊重這個委員大家討論的結果那現在高齡者事實上去年那個先任死亡三百八十是第一年來贏最低的\n\n25\n00:08:39,633 --> 00:08:39,913\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n26\n00:09:00,977 --> 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