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00:00:12,032\n陳昭姿\n\n3\n00:00:42,092 --> 00:00:42,112\n是。\n\n4\n00:01:05,768 --> 00:01:23,859\n但是這個環境部在這邊也訂定了這個所謂的機動車輛機動車替換用的消音系統的認證管理剛剛部長也有報告然而在那個去年12月27日的新聞稿剛剛部長也有提到源頭管理源頭管理是解決機車\n\n5\n00:01:26,701 --> 00:01:33,363\n機車改裝排氣管這個部分那這個標準是不一致等一下我來請教部長機動車輛跟機車是一樣的嗎在法律上的規範是機動車輛等於機車嗎為什麼在新聞稿裡面只談到機車的部分\n\n6\n00:01:44,548 --> 00:02:00,799\n我所瞭解機動車事實上包括汽車跟摩托車嘛那事實上對環境部而言以及對一般民眾而言他care的是那個噪音的部分不管它產生是四輪或是來自兩輪所以那個才是重點\n\n7\n00:02:02,635 --> 00:02:06,598\n所以這個新聞稿又強調這個機車源頭解決機車的問題那我們會覺得說你只管機車啦那可能用時尚並沒有那麼精神好下一張所以環境部的機動車輛其實所謂的車型噪音抽驗檢驗辦法所以他第二條第一款定義的很清楚機動車輛指的就是\n\n8\n00:02:46,141 --> 00:02:57,493\n但是並沒有處理汽車的部分那為什麼汽車的部分排氣管改裝是沒有列入這個查核的這個管理機制呢我可不可以了解一下原因\n\n9\n00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:21,249\n我們是不是可以請我們張市長來回答一下好不好比較技術面的跟委員報告這邊主要我們當時跟交通部這邊在討論在那個過程裡面目前第一個問題比較多的是機車是比較多汽車當然也是有但是汽車這部分目前交通部是還沒有打算改裝登記還沒有開始實施\n\n10\n00:03:23,852 --> 00:03:35,849\n現在有兩件事情一個是改裝要不要登記這是一件事情但是就環境部這邊來講只要噪音超過標準的不管是機車或者汽車都會開閥這是兩件事情\n\n11\n00:03:36,531 --> 00:04:03,146\n不是,就是重點就是說因為你的法規上是講機動車輛嘛它是確實包含汽車嘛但是你現在的執法的重點就在於這個機車沒有包括這個汽車部分我是覺得我可以接受逐步的處理但是說機車量比較多所以暫時不處理汽車齁這個還是就是請你們再思考不是,我現在就放一段影片齁我放一段影片就是請你瞭解一下到底是哪一種車子發出這個噪音齁好,請你播放\n\n12\n00:04:18,783 --> 00:04:38,798\n部長,您覺得這是什麼車子?哪一種車型?以我的經驗,好像汽車跟機車都會有這種...所以是...都有可能,我個人覺得...誒,你這個單選是怎樣?啊?部長?部長,就是汽車啊?汽車啊?\n\n13\n00:04:43,209 --> 00:05:07,950\n當然這一題這裡面看起來是汽車但是我的經驗是好像有一種摩托車那種聲音也是加速也是只有你的法規也含那當然我們是重點在噪音嘛所以就是說對於這種暴音車輛不管是來自這個汽車或汽車我這樣博人都一定同意用力抓重重罰所以你剛剛也提到說要加重這個罰則嘛所以即便改裝是合法的但是改裝之後所發出的這個\n\n14\n00:05:08,750 --> 00:05:09,090\n我認同事實上\n\n15\n00:05:34,085 --> 00:05:55,883\n其實汽車的量不會少於這個機車嗎?給陳委員報告我的理解是我們先把造成問題的最大部分的先解決然後接下來在其他的部分那一般來講汽車剛剛所看到你看它一定是在高速公路或者在比較寬敞的道路汽車才比較四輪的才比較會造成這種造成\n\n16\n00:05:56,763 --> 00:06:18,801\n我們剛剛在討論,你剛剛說科技可以執法嘛對,要用科技執法才有可能活著的話那因為過去機車是有所謂的一年緩衝期嘛就是它改裝之後一年內我們也是一年緩衝期,今年是緩衝期就是說機車的既有的機制是OK的但是現在就對於汽車的部分有沒有這種規劃跟想法呢?\n\n17\n00:06:20,661 --> 00:06:37,407\n我覺得我們可以來做管不管,就是說要不要管我想跟委員報我們管是管,就是他只要超標,噪音超標,抓到還是都開單這個不分機車或汽車這沒有分但是我們做很多源頭就是來自排氣管的改裝嘛如果你先給他一個檢驗的機制\n\n18\n00:06:39,568 --> 00:06:41,349\n是不是可以請交通部來問一下有沒有規劃汽車的部分也要相對應\n\n19\n00:06:57,093 --> 00:07:24,506\n跟委員報告一下就是說談了一個課題就是排氣管的認證那陳如現在就是說先實施汽車的部分源頭要有先認證過的這個排氣管那如果車主要去做替換的話才有合格的產品其實我大概知道原因了因為你們大概覺得說汽車比較容易看到側面嘛那汽車是在底面嘛但是我是覺得不是應該這樣分的這個汽車的部分的話原則上交通部會配合環保署如果說環境部\n\n20\n00:07:25,626 --> 00:07:27,668\n請問部長你瞭解為什麼這個排氣管它要設計成可分段拆線這個理由你瞭解嗎?\n\n21\n00:07:43,919 --> 00:08:12,514\n我不是那麼清楚為什麼分段?你看左邊是汽車嘛,後面是汽車就有人了解嘛為什麼要這樣設計可分段拆卸就是它有所謂的頭段、中段、尾段它是可以拆卸的嘛那就是方便維修啊它是方便就是它整個這個有時候原廠車就原台出廠的時候它的設計就是這樣的那我想讓看首長們看下一張下一張就是所謂的這個目前齁目前因為不一致嘛難\n\n22\n00:08:13,354 --> 00:08:42,601\n台中南投苗栗這個部分他地方的環保局他規定就是受理機車改裝這個合格檢驗的時候他要求把中段跟尾段焊死、碾死然後網路上有很多網友在就是在討論說這個是各地因為你沒有統一標準各地的這個環保局他自己去設定這個標準那我覺得這樣是不對的是不是應該有全國統一的標準來做這件事就環保署環境部來規定然後大家是一致的\n\n23\n00:08:43,061 --> 00:08:57,325\n好謝謝陳委員的建議因為我想為什麼會有些縣市會這樣做是因為很多這個機車的車主他經過認證之後他回去以後又把它哪一段又拆掉就如剛剛陳委員講他分段\n\n24\n00:08:59,806 --> 00:09:14,697\n很可能他已經拿到我們的﹖你說他後來又再去﹖後來對﹖還是會造成噪音﹖不過還是有很多次他原始這樣﹖因為他為了方便維持﹖OK﹖我們可以理解﹖最後您談到的那個﹖那個下一張﹖剛剛說就是科技﹖科技除脂肪聲音照相設備這個是我們也是跟你剛剛報告的數字是一樣的那根據部長我唸給您聽所以是說之下是以六都來說臺中是13臺那數量最多的是新北36臺是差了3倍\n\n25\n00:09:27,045 --> 00:09:50,137\n那各縣市除了新竹有10台唯一的雙數其他的都是個位數那基隆市最少只有一台其實不夠執法使用那如果說在執法末端這邊要去了解有沒有這個噪音報音事實上還需要科技執法那請問你們現在有規劃這個預算就是說要幫助鼓勵這個地方的這個地方他們在能夠在執法的時候能夠做得更完整嗎\n\n26\n00:09:53,218 --> 00:10:18,915\n給陳委員報告本來是112到116有編的這個1.9億要購買306台那現在因為有這個急迫性已經把執行時程拉到明年變成112到114就會有306那也請各位有在進行中好對對對而且加速我今天的重點是希望未來可以好就謝謝就是氣質熱要一致的管理那焊接的部分也要了解那這個科技執法部分請加強好謝謝謝謝陳委員謝謝主席\n\n27\n00:10:23,099 --> 00:10:23,420\n陳昭姿委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5698\t7682\t謝謝主席 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管不管,就是說要不要管 我想跟委員報我們管是管,就是他只要超標,噪音超標,抓到還是都開單 這個不分機車或汽車 這沒有分 但是我們做很多源頭就是來自排氣管的改裝嘛 如果你先給他一個檢驗的機制\n399568\t401349\t是不是可以請交通部來問一下有沒有規劃汽車的部分也要相對應\n417093\t444506\t跟委員報告一下就是說談了一個課題就是排氣管的認證那陳如現在就是說先實施汽車的部分源頭要有先認證過的這個排氣管那如果車主要去做替換的話才有合格的產品其實我大概知道原因了因為你們大概覺得說汽車比較容易看到側面嘛那汽車是在底面嘛但是我是覺得不是應該這樣分的這個汽車的部分的話原則上交通部會配合環保署如果說環境部\n445626\t447668\t請問部長你瞭解為什麼這個排氣管它要設計成可分段拆線這個理由你瞭解嗎?\n463919\t492514\t我不是那麼清楚為什麼分段?你看左邊是汽車嘛,後面是汽車就有人了解嘛為什麼要這樣設計可分段拆卸就是它有所謂的頭段、中段、尾段它是可以拆卸的嘛那就是方便維修啊它是方便就是它整個這個有時候原廠車就原台出廠的時候它的設計就是這樣的那我想讓看首長們看下一張下一張就是所謂的這個目前齁目前因為不一致嘛難\n493354\t522601\t台中南投苗栗這個部分他地方的環保局他規定就是受理機車改裝這個合格檢驗的時候他要求把中段跟尾段焊死、碾死然後網路上有很多網友在就是在討論說這個是各地因為你沒有統一標準各地的這個環保局他自己去設定這個標準那我覺得這樣是不對的是不是應該有全國統一的標準來做這件事就環保署環境部來規定然後大家是一致的\n523061\t537325\t好 謝謝陳委員的建議因為我想為什麼會有些縣市會這樣做是因為很多這個機車的車主他經過認證之後他回去以後又把它哪一段又拆掉就如剛剛陳委員講他分段\n539806\t554697\t很可能他已經拿到我們的﹖你說他後來又再去﹖後來對﹖還是會造成噪音﹖不過還是有很多次他原始這樣﹖因為他為了方便維持﹖OK﹖我們可以理解﹖最後您談到的那個﹖那個下一張﹖剛剛說就是科技﹖科技除脂肪聲音照相設備這個是我們也是跟你剛剛報告的數字是一樣的那根據部長我唸給您聽所以是說之下是以六都來說臺中是13臺那數量最多的是新北36臺是差了3倍\n567045\t590137\t那各縣市除了新竹有10台唯一的雙數其他的都是個位數那基隆市最少只有一台其實不夠執法使用那如果說在執法末端這邊要去了解有沒有這個噪音報音事實上還需要科技執法那請問你們現在有規劃這個預算就是說要幫助鼓勵這個地方的這個地方他們在能夠在執法的時候能夠做得更完整嗎\n593218\t618915\t給陳委員報告本來是112到116有編的這個1.9億要購買306台那現在因為有這個急迫性已經把執行時程拉到明年變成112到114就會有306那也請各位有在進行中好對對對而且加速我今天的重點是希望未來可以好就謝謝就是氣質熱要一致的管理那焊接的部分也要了解那這個科技執法部分請加強好謝謝謝謝陳委員謝謝主席\n623099\t623420\t陳昭姿委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請薛部長請薛部長\n陳昭姿\n是。\n但是這個環境部在這邊也訂定了這個所謂的機動車輛機動車替換用的消音系統的認證管理剛剛部長也有報告然而在那個去年12月27日的新聞稿剛剛部長也有提到源頭管理源頭管理是解決機車\n機車改裝排氣管這個部分那這個標準是不一致等一下我來請教部長機動車輛跟機車是一樣的嗎在法律上的規範是機動車輛等於機車嗎為什麼在新聞稿裡面只談到機車的部分\n我所瞭解機動車事實上包括汽車跟摩托車嘛那事實上對環境部而言以及對一般民眾而言他care的是那個噪音的部分不管它產生是四輪或是來自兩輪所以那個才是重點\n所以這個新聞稿又強調這個機車源頭解決機車的問題那我們會覺得說你只管機車啦那可能用時尚並沒有那麼精神好下一張所以環境部的機動車輛其實所謂的車型噪音抽驗檢驗辦法所以他第二條第一款定義的很清楚機動車輛指的就是\n⋯⋯\n但是並沒有處理汽車的部分那為什麼汽車的部分排氣管改裝是沒有列入這個查核的這個管理機制呢我可不可以了解一下原因\n我們是不是可以請我們張市長來回答一下好不好比較技術面的跟委員報告這邊主要我們當時跟交通部這邊在討論在那個過程裡面目前第一個問題比較多的是機車是比較多汽車當然也是有但是汽車這部分目前交通部是還沒有打算改裝登記還沒有開始實施\n現在有兩件事情一個是改裝要不要登記這是一件事情但是就環境部這邊來講只要噪音超過標準的不管是機車或者汽車都會開閥這是兩件事情\n不是,就是重點就是說因為你的法規上是講機動車輛嘛它是確實包含汽車嘛但是你現在的執法的重點就在於這個機車沒有包括這個汽車部分我是覺得我可以接受逐步的處理但是說機車量比較多所以暫時不處理汽車齁這個還是就是請你們再思考不是,我現在就放一段影片齁我放一段影片就是請你瞭解一下到底是哪一種車子發出這個噪音齁好,請你播放\n部長,您覺得這是什麼車子?哪一種車型?以我的經驗,好像汽車跟機車都會有這種...所以是...都有可能,我個人覺得...誒,你這個單選是怎樣?啊?部長?部長,就是汽車啊?汽車啊?\n當然這一題這裡面看起來是汽車但是我的經驗是好像有一種摩托車那種聲音也是加速也是只有你的法規也含那當然我們是重點在噪音嘛所以就是說對於這種暴音車輛不管是來自這個汽車或汽車我這樣博人都一定同意用力抓重重罰所以你剛剛也提到說要加重這個罰則嘛所以即便改裝是合法的但是改裝之後所發出的這個\n我認同事實上\n其實汽車的量不會少於這個機車嗎?給陳委員報告我的理解是我們先把造成問題的最大部分的先解決然後接下來在其他的部分那一般來講汽車剛剛所看到你看它一定是在高速公路或者在比較寬敞的道路汽車才比較四輪的才比較會造成這種造成\n我們剛剛在討論,你剛剛說科技可以執法嘛對,要用科技執法才有可能活著的話那因為過去機車是有所謂的一年緩衝期嘛就是它改裝之後一年內我們也是一年緩衝期,今年是緩衝期就是說機車的既有的機制是OK的但是現在就對於汽車的部分有沒有這種規劃跟想法呢?\n我覺得我們可以來做 管不管,就是說要不要管 我想跟委員報我們管是管,就是他只要超標,噪音超標,抓到還是都開單 這個不分機車或汽車 這沒有分 但是我們做很多源頭就是來自排氣管的改裝嘛 如果你先給他一個檢驗的機制\n是不是可以請交通部來問一下有沒有規劃汽車的部分也要相對應\n跟委員報告一下就是說談了一個課題就是排氣管的認證那陳如現在就是說先實施汽車的部分源頭要有先認證過的這個排氣管那如果車主要去做替換的話才有合格的產品其實我大概知道原因了因為你們大概覺得說汽車比較容易看到側面嘛那汽車是在底面嘛但是我是覺得不是應該這樣分的這個汽車的部分的話原則上交通部會配合環保署如果說環境部\n請問部長你瞭解為什麼這個排氣管它要設計成可分段拆線這個理由你瞭解嗎?\n我不是那麼清楚為什麼分段?你看左邊是汽車嘛,後面是汽車就有人了解嘛為什麼要這樣設計可分段拆卸就是它有所謂的頭段、中段、尾段它是可以拆卸的嘛那就是方便維修啊它是方便就是它整個這個有時候原廠車就原台出廠的時候它的設計就是這樣的那我想讓看首長們看下一張下一張就是所謂的這個目前齁目前因為不一致嘛難\n台中南投苗栗這個部分他地方的環保局他規定就是受理機車改裝這個合格檢驗的時候他要求把中段跟尾段焊死、碾死然後網路上有很多網友在就是在討論說這個是各地因為你沒有統一標準各地的這個環保局他自己去設定這個標準那我覺得這樣是不對的是不是應該有全國統一的標準來做這件事就環保署環境部來規定然後大家是一致的\n好 謝謝陳委員的建議因為我想為什麼會有些縣市會這樣做是因為很多這個機車的車主他經過認證之後他回去以後又把它哪一段又拆掉就如剛剛陳委員講他分段\n很可能他已經拿到我們的﹖你說他後來又再去﹖後來對﹖還是會造成噪音﹖不過還是有很多次他原始這樣﹖因為他為了方便維持﹖OK﹖我們可以理解﹖最後您談到的那個﹖那個下一張﹖剛剛說就是科技﹖科技除脂肪聲音照相設備這個是我們也是跟你剛剛報告的數字是一樣的那根據部長我唸給您聽所以是說之下是以六都來說臺中是13臺那數量最多的是新北36臺是差了3倍\n那各縣市除了新竹有10台唯一的雙數其他的都是個位數那基隆市最少只有一台其實不夠執法使用那如果說在執法末端這邊要去了解有沒有這個噪音報音事實上還需要科技執法那請問你們現在有規劃這個預算就是說要幫助鼓勵這個地方的這個地方他們在能夠在執法的時候能夠做得更完整嗎\n給陳委員報告本來是112到116有編的這個1.9億要購買306台那現在因為有這個急迫性已經把執行時程拉到明年變成112到114就會有306那也請各位有在進行中好對對對而且加速我今天的重點是希望未來可以好就謝謝就是氣質熱要一致的管理那焊接的部分也要了解那這個科技執法部分請加強好謝謝謝謝陳委員謝謝主席\n陳昭姿委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.698 --> 00:07.682\n謝謝主席有請薛部長請薛部長\n\n00:11.992 --> 00:12.032\n陳昭姿\n\n00:42.092 --> 00:42.112\n是。\n\n01:05.768 --> 01:23.859\n但是這個環境部在這邊也訂定了這個所謂的機動車輛機動車替換用的消音系統的認證管理剛剛部長也有報告然而在那個去年12月27日的新聞稿剛剛部長也有提到源頭管理源頭管理是解決機車\n\n01:26.701 --> 01:33.363\n機車改裝排氣管這個部分那這個標準是不一致等一下我來請教部長機動車輛跟機車是一樣的嗎在法律上的規範是機動車輛等於機車嗎為什麼在新聞稿裡面只談到機車的部分\n\n01:44.548 --> 02:00.799\n我所瞭解機動車事實上包括汽車跟摩托車嘛那事實上對環境部而言以及對一般民眾而言他care的是那個噪音的部分不管它產生是四輪或是來自兩輪所以那個才是重點\n\n02:02.635 --> 02:06.598\n所以這個新聞稿又強調這個機車源頭解決機車的問題那我們會覺得說你只管機車啦那可能用時尚並沒有那麼精神好下一張所以環境部的機動車輛其實所謂的車型噪音抽驗檢驗辦法所以他第二條第一款定義的很清楚機動車輛指的就是\n\n02:46.141 --> 02:57.493\n但是並沒有處理汽車的部分那為什麼汽車的部分排氣管改裝是沒有列入這個查核的這個管理機制呢我可不可以了解一下原因\n\n02:58.830 --> 03:21.249\n我們是不是可以請我們張市長來回答一下好不好比較技術面的跟委員報告這邊主要我們當時跟交通部這邊在討論在那個過程裡面目前第一個問題比較多的是機車是比較多汽車當然也是有但是汽車這部分目前交通部是還沒有打算改裝登記還沒有開始實施\n\n03:23.852 --> 03:35.849\n現在有兩件事情一個是改裝要不要登記這是一件事情但是就環境部這邊來講只要噪音超過標準的不管是機車或者汽車都會開閥這是兩件事情\n\n03:36.531 --> 04:03.146\n不是,就是重點就是說因為你的法規上是講機動車輛嘛它是確實包含汽車嘛但是你現在的執法的重點就在於這個機車沒有包括這個汽車部分我是覺得我可以接受逐步的處理但是說機車量比較多所以暫時不處理汽車齁這個還是就是請你們再思考不是,我現在就放一段影片齁我放一段影片就是請你瞭解一下到底是哪一種車子發出這個噪音齁好,請你播放\n\n04:18.783 --> 04:38.798\n部長,您覺得這是什麼車子?哪一種車型?以我的經驗,好像汽車跟機車都會有這種...所以是...都有可能,我個人覺得...誒,你這個單選是怎樣?啊?部長?部長,就是汽車啊?汽車啊?\n\n04:43.209 --> 05:07.950\n當然這一題這裡面看起來是汽車但是我的經驗是好像有一種摩托車那種聲音也是加速也是只有你的法規也含那當然我們是重點在噪音嘛所以就是說對於這種暴音車輛不管是來自這個汽車或汽車我這樣博人都一定同意用力抓重重罰所以你剛剛也提到說要加重這個罰則嘛所以即便改裝是合法的但是改裝之後所發出的這個\n\n05:08.750 --> 05:09.090\n我認同事實上\n\n05:34.085 --> 05:55.883\n其實汽車的量不會少於這個機車嗎?給陳委員報告我的理解是我們先把造成問題的最大部分的先解決然後接下來在其他的部分那一般來講汽車剛剛所看到你看它一定是在高速公路或者在比較寬敞的道路汽車才比較四輪的才比較會造成這種造成\n\n05:56.763 --> 06:18.801\n我們剛剛在討論,你剛剛說科技可以執法嘛對,要用科技執法才有可能活著的話那因為過去機車是有所謂的一年緩衝期嘛就是它改裝之後一年內我們也是一年緩衝期,今年是緩衝期就是說機車的既有的機制是OK的但是現在就對於汽車的部分有沒有這種規劃跟想法呢?\n\n06:20.661 --> 06:37.407\n我覺得我們可以來做管不管,就是說要不要管我想跟委員報我們管是管,就是他只要超標,噪音超標,抓到還是都開單這個不分機車或汽車這沒有分但是我們做很多源頭就是來自排氣管的改裝嘛如果你先給他一個檢驗的機制\n\n06:39.568 --> 06:41.349\n是不是可以請交通部來問一下有沒有規劃汽車的部分也要相對應\n\n06:57.093 --> 07:24.506\n跟委員報告一下就是說談了一個課題就是排氣管的認證那陳如現在就是說先實施汽車的部分源頭要有先認證過的這個排氣管那如果車主要去做替換的話才有合格的產品其實我大概知道原因了因為你們大概覺得說汽車比較容易看到側面嘛那汽車是在底面嘛但是我是覺得不是應該這樣分的這個汽車的部分的話原則上交通部會配合環保署如果說環境部\n\n07:25.626 --> 07:27.668\n請問部長你瞭解為什麼這個排氣管它要設計成可分段拆線這個理由你瞭解嗎?\n\n07:43.919 --> 08:12.514\n我不是那麼清楚為什麼分段?你看左邊是汽車嘛,後面是汽車就有人了解嘛為什麼要這樣設計可分段拆卸就是它有所謂的頭段、中段、尾段它是可以拆卸的嘛那就是方便維修啊它是方便就是它整個這個有時候原廠車就原台出廠的時候它的設計就是這樣的那我想讓看首長們看下一張下一張就是所謂的這個目前齁目前因為不一致嘛難\n\n08:13.354 --> 08:42.601\n台中南投苗栗這個部分他地方的環保局他規定就是受理機車改裝這個合格檢驗的時候他要求把中段跟尾段焊死、碾死然後網路上有很多網友在就是在討論說這個是各地因為你沒有統一標準各地的這個環保局他自己去設定這個標準那我覺得這樣是不對的是不是應該有全國統一的標準來做這件事就環保署環境部來規定然後大家是一致的\n\n08:43.061 --> 08:57.325\n好謝謝陳委員的建議因為我想為什麼會有些縣市會這樣做是因為很多這個機車的車主他經過認證之後他回去以後又把它哪一段又拆掉就如剛剛陳委員講他分段\n\n08:59.806 --> 09:14.697\n很可能他已經拿到我們的﹖你說他後來又再去﹖後來對﹖還是會造成噪音﹖不過還是有很多次他原始這樣﹖因為他為了方便維持﹖OK﹖我們可以理解﹖最後您談到的那個﹖那個下一張﹖剛剛說就是科技﹖科技除脂肪聲音照相設備這個是我們也是跟你剛剛報告的數字是一樣的那根據部長我唸給您聽所以是說之下是以六都來說臺中是13臺那數量最多的是新北36臺是差了3倍\n\n09:27.045 --> 09:50.137\n那各縣市除了新竹有10台唯一的雙數其他的都是個位數那基隆市最少只有一台其實不夠執法使用那如果說在執法末端這邊要去了解有沒有這個噪音報音事實上還需要科技執法那請問你們現在有規劃這個預算就是說要幫助鼓勵這個地方的這個地方他們在能夠在執法的時候能夠做得更完整嗎\n\n09:53.218 --> 10:18.915\n給陳委員報告本來是112到116有編的這個1.9億要購買306台那現在因為有這個急迫性已經把執行時程拉到明年變成112到114就會有306那也請各位有在進行中好對對對而且加速我今天的重點是希望未來可以好就謝謝就是氣質熱要一致的管理那焊接的部分也要了解那這個科技執法部分請加強好謝謝謝謝陳委員謝謝主席\n\n10:23.099 --> 10:23.420\n陳昭姿委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.698,"end":7.682,"text":"謝謝主席 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