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00:01:15,598\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon秘書長,您大概說一下,我知道細部你一定不了解,但這個是不是我們積極在推動的一個政策?是,我想這個是已經願正式核定的計畫,也列為重要的列管推動的計畫,所以這個是既定的政策,而且不會改變。\n\n4\n00:01:19,662 --> 00:01:37,192\n現在的執行進度有沒有落後?他是這樣本來是要考慮整個用統包的方式來招標那文化部使得部長評估起來覺得因為整個未來館的這個科技展示的科技日新月異\n\n5\n00:01:38,072 --> 00:01:49,115\n﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報\n\n6\n00:01:58,997 --> 00:02:08,620\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。breviationofProcedureofProjectsProcedureofProjectsProcedureofProjects\n\n7\n00:02:29,835 --> 00:02:42,586\n這個像啊這個我們現在都知道國家兒童未來館他現在只是籌備處啦齁那其實啊國家漫畫博物館跟鐵道博物館他們都有專屬的網頁\n\n8\n00:02:45,288 --> 00:03:13,397\n所以進度大家都會知道我的意思不是說我們還要再成立一個新的網頁其實不需要但文化部應該在他們的文化部的網頁上這個是這麼一個重大的一個建設165億有列管的文化部是不是應該適時的在他們文化部的網頁上這個進度到哪裡要更新要讓大家知道我覺得如果這樣做的話問題就沒有了啦是不是\n\n9\n00:03:16,008 --> 00:03:39,914\n這個我們來對文化部來做這個要求對啊我一直認為這個其實一個很簡單的事情他也不用再成立一個新的網頁文化部他本身自己部裡面的網頁就可以來做這件事了好不好好可以啦可以這我們來處理好謝謝那MISTER您請回我請那個林主委\n\n10\n00:03:48,126 --> 00:04:06,460\n主委其實我們這個不當黨產其實是蠻辛苦做了很多不過我這邊有一個要請教一下雖然有很多是法令程序上的問題但我們有的收回來的我們有沒有盡快想辦法把它活用\n\n11\n00:04:08,198 --> 00:04:21,625\n按照促轉條約的規定,黨產收回之後在行政院成立了促轉基金。促轉基金現在是國發會來主管,所以相關資金的運用由國發會來召集他們來處理。\n\n12\n00:04:23,004 --> 00:04:25,466\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n\n13\n00:04:44,603 --> 00:04:56,031\n對我們也知道會有這個問題所以我們也是希望我們也會因為那個出產基金有個管理的委員會我們也有一席的委員我們會去表達我們的意見那當然還是要那個委員會來決定\n\n14\n00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:14,408\n我覺得你們的意見非常重要欸你們在這邊有沒有據理力爭說我們既然收回來了你收回來如果在那邊不使用其實讓全國的民眾人民啊會有另外一種不好的觀感啊你你收回來結果放在那邊養蚊子啊或者讓他壞\n\n15\n00:05:15,569 --> 00:05:16,910\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。��\n\n16\n00:05:37,379 --> 00:05:40,421\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon\n\n17\n00:05:56,131 --> 00:06:18,152\n我當然知道啦齁啊這個很複雜啦齁有的財產收回來是國有的是齁全部都是國有的那有的是中央主管機關有的是地方政府是那如果是中央主管機關的話要配合應該是比較好配合啊如果是地方政府可能是不好配合會不會有這種情況譬如說金山青龍紅中心就有類似的狀況齁\n\n18\n00:06:20,535 --> 00:06:37,915\n對我現在就我舉一個齁一樣齁是在新北一個在板橋的這個我們的這個放送所你應該知道嘛齁啊放送所這個是啊中央政府齁其實這個放送所是在板橋那個那個原來是中廣的一個電台沒錯啊那這個是之前交通部\n\n19\n00:06:38,476 --> 00:06:40,598\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n\n20\n00:06:56,329 --> 00:07:18,938\n同樣的在新北主委你剛說的是金山活動中心當然土地是新北市政府的所以現在丟在那邊也不能用也不什麼然後地方所有的地方的里長或什麼大家會覺得你好好的東西放在那邊至少也可以給我們金山的人去用或什麼的聲音就出來\n\n21\n00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:41,670\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon因為在收回來在收的時候新北市政府就表達說希望要整體的規劃利用因為土地是新北市政府然後建物是國產署在管\n\n22\n00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:45,692\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon\n\n23\n00:08:03,220 --> 00:08:05,682\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。ittee\n\n24\n00:08:35,426 --> 00:08:40,153\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。INTERVIEWER四\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n429\t5552\t李夢燕秘書長好秘書長好謝謝秘書長我不知道秘書長在前一陣子有沒有看到這個新聞報導就有人說這個是我們這個國家兒童未來館的新建就是選舉才浮上來的選舉服管我不知道秘書長有沒有看到這個新聞\n29546\t47955\t呃對我看到有一些呃外界的呃誤解好這秘書長其實這一個早就核定了總經經費達到165億欸那我如果沒有記錯的話啊我們啊蘇貞昌院長也也親自主持了\n48815\t75598\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon 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因為在收回來在收的時候新北市政府就表達說希望要整體的規劃利用因為土地是新北市政府然後建物是國產署在管\n462870\t465692\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon\n483220\t485682\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。ittee\n515426\t520153\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 INTERVIEWER四\n","txt":"李夢燕秘書長好秘書長好謝謝秘書長我不知道秘書長在前一陣子有沒有看到這個新聞報導就有人說這個是我們這個國家兒童未來館的新建就是選舉才浮上來的選舉服管我不知道秘書長有沒有看到這個新聞\n呃對我看到有一些呃外界的呃誤解好這秘書長其實這一個早就核定了總經經費達到165億欸那我如果沒有記錯的話啊我們啊蘇貞昌院長也也親自主持了\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon 秘書長,您大概說一下,我知道細部你一定不了解,但這個是不是我們積極在推動的一個政策?是,我想這個是已經願正式核定的計畫,也列為重要的列管推動的計畫,所以這個是既定的政策,而且不會改變。\n現在的執行進度有沒有落後?他是這樣本來是要考慮整個用統包的方式來招標那文化部使得部長評估起來覺得因為整個未來館的這個科技展示的科技日新月異\n﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案計2﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。breviation of Procedure of Projects Procedure of Projects Procedure of Projects\n這個像啊這個我們現在都知道國家兒童未來館他現在只是籌備處啦齁那其實啊國家漫畫博物館跟鐵道博物館他們都有專屬的網頁\n所以進度大家都會知道我的意思不是說我們還要再成立一個新的網頁其實不需要但文化部應該在他們的文化部的網頁上這個是這麼一個重大的一個建設165億有列管的文化部是不是應該適時的在他們文化部的網頁上這個進度到哪裡要更新要讓大家知道我覺得如果這樣做的話問題就沒有了啦是不是\n這個我們來對文化部來做這個要求對啊我一直認為這個其實一個很簡單的事情他也不用再成立一個新的網頁文化部他本身自己部裡面的網頁就可以來做這件事了好不好好可以啦可以這我們來處理好謝謝那MISTER 您請回我請那個林主委\n主委其實我們這個不當黨產其實是蠻辛苦做了很多不過我這邊有一個要請教一下雖然有很多是法令程序上的問題但我們有的收回來的我們有沒有盡快想辦法把它活用\n按照促轉條約的規定,黨產收回之後在行政院成立了促轉基金。促轉基金現在是國發會來主管,所以相關資金的運用由國發會來召集他們來處理。\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n對我們也知道會有這個問題所以我們也是希望我們也會因為那個出產基金有個管理的委員會我們也有一席的委員我們會去表達我們的意見那當然還是要那個委員會來決定\n我覺得你們的意見非常重要欸你們在這邊有沒有據理力爭說我們既然收回來了你收回來如果在那邊不使用其實讓全國的民眾人民啊會有另外一種不好的觀感啊你你收回來結果放在那邊養蚊子啊或者讓他壞\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。��\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon\n我當然知道啦齁啊這個很複雜啦齁有的財產收回來是國有的是齁全部都是國有的那有的是中央主管機關有的是地方政府是那如果是中央主管機關的話要配合應該是比較好配合啊如果是地方政府可能是不好配合會不會有這種情況譬如說金山青龍紅中心就有類似的狀況齁\n對我現在就我舉一個齁一樣齁是在新北一個在板橋的這個我們的這個放送所你應該知道嘛齁啊放送所這個是啊中央政府齁其實這個放送所是在板橋那個那個原來是中廣的一個電台沒錯啊那這個是之前交通部\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n同樣的在新北主委你剛說的是金山活動中心當然土地是新北市政府的所以現在丟在那邊也不能用也不什麼然後地方所有的地方的里長或什麼大家會覺得你好好的東西放在那邊至少也可以給我們金山的人去用或什麼的聲音就出來\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon 因為在收回來在收的時候新北市政府就表達說希望要整體的規劃利用因為土地是新北市政府然後建物是國產署在管\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。ittee\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 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