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Code嗎？"],["薛部長富盛：假如沒有QR Code，基本上大概就是所謂的一般地下工廠所生產的啦！"],["陳委員菁徽：沒有QR Code的是不是？"],["薛部長富盛：對，沒有QR Code的，現在環境部要求，只要是合格、合法的廠商，他們都一定會有一個QR Code。"],["陳委員菁徽：部長，你自己有沒有拿來掃掃看？"],["薛部長富盛：我是沒有掃掃看，但是我吃的便當，我看上面的確都有QR Code。"],["陳委員菁徽：我告訴你掃了以後是長什麼樣子，我早上有時候人家會送飲料，星巴克或是麥當勞冰旋風等等，上面都有一個QR Code，你們的QR Code掃出來就是螢幕上這個樣子耶，所有的QR Code掃出來是一模一樣，就是說這個業者是來自資源循環署登記列管的業者，麻煩部長去掃掃看你們自己的Code，跟農業部做出來的Code，農業部做出來的Code掃下去會發現是哪邊生產、什麼時候生產，還有這個廠商同時還做了哪些農產品，全部都列得一清二楚喔，可是你們的QR Code就只有這樣子，說實在的，壞人一定走在我們前面啦，我相信現在一定有地下業者直接整個截圖貼到不管是他的便當盒還是什麼就可以了，因為你的QR Code掃下去沒有任何的差別。"],["薛部長富盛：陳委員，我是不是可以請副署長來說明得更詳細一點？可能應該有比這個更詳盡的資料。"],["陳委員菁徽：好。"],["許副署長智倫：跟委員報告，這個Code，有時候我們是顧慮到民眾用餐可能沒有那麼方便，他是掃有沒有標示而已，但是詳細的廠家、生產等等資料，那個是給我們稽查人員，所以我們在查的時候，最近幾年用這些的方法也查到2億多的短漏在追繳。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以你們內部的資料有，只是我們民眾看不到，但說實在的，其實你們也可以去訪問一下，他去買便當，通常肚子很餓，或是買飲料，他有東西吃就好了，他不會去管這個Code我還蠻在意農產品，我頂多會去管這個農產品是不是從品質優良的廠家提供的，但是你去買便當的時候，你真的不會很在意這個盒子是不是環境部認證過的QR Code，所以也許這個方法你們要再檢討一下，是不是真的可以有效來控制產量跟回收量的落差。"],["薛部長富盛：好，謝謝陳委員的建議，我請循環署來思考一下QR Code的內容是不是應該要更多、更豐富。"],["陳委員菁徽：對，要更具體一點，或是讓它有誘因。"],["薛部長富盛：好。"],["陳委員菁徽：因為你這樣子是在懲罰很乖的人，很乖的人、合法的廠商，他可能會覺得人家就是複製貼上就可以做的跟我看起來一模一樣，民眾掃起來也是一樣，他根本也不可能會去檢舉啊！"],["薛部長富盛：是。"],["陳委員菁徽：最後也想請教一下部長，你沒有掃過QR Code的話，你自己有騎過電動機車或是開電動車嗎？"],["薛部長富盛：我坐過電動車，但是沒有開過電動車，買不起。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，因為你們有一個2040運具電動化的目標……"],["薛部長富盛：是。"],["陳委員菁徽：你知道嗎，按照目前的進度，除了108年我們有補助電動機車，當時的數量曾經暴增，之後逐年遞減，所以我們如果以每年9萬台、8萬台、7萬台這樣的速度算下去，你猜還要多久我們才可以運具電動化？"],["薛部長富盛：給陳委員報告，基本上，我們現在的方向……"],["陳委員菁徽：調整了？"],["薛部長富盛：交通部的整個政策應該是鼓勵大眾搭乘公共運輸，早期的確有採取所謂的汰舊換新，不管是燃油車舊的換新的，或是燃油車換成電動車都鼓勵，可是這樣的話就會造成使用機車的人數還是沒有辦法降下來，臺灣的機車的確……"],["陳委員菁徽：部長，我們來看，使用機車的成長幅度，你好像沒有很具體的作法可以讓使用機車的人降下來，因為我們除了108年電車有稍微增長，110、111、112年購買汽油機車的還是遠高過購買電動機車的。"],["薛部長富盛：對，當然價錢也是一個因素，所以現在這個是蠻矛盾的，就是當我們鼓勵他，即使是機車，由燃油車換成電動車，這樣子我們機車的數目還是不會減少，它的供應數……"],["陳委員菁徽：最後建議一下，您剛剛提到價錢，所以現在需要置換機車的人，僅有不到三成願意買電動車，因為電動車每年花的錢實在是太多了。"],["薛部長富盛：是。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以你可能要仔細想一下，如果大家沒有辦法在短期內改變生活習慣去搭乘大眾交通工具，包括電動公車等等的，你要如何用你的補貼去讓民眾有感，讓民眾在換車的時候，可以考慮更換為電動車，好嗎？"],["薛部長富盛：好，我們會好好思考一下，這是一個大哉問。"],["陳委員菁徽：對。謝謝部長。"],["薛部長富盛：謝謝陳委員，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳菁徽委員。接下來請林月琴委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":252,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-26-13","speakers":["黃秀芳","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","林月琴","廖偉翔","王育敏","盧縣一","蘇清泉","涂權吉","王正旭","楊瓊瓔","李坤城","林德福","林淑芬","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:28,324\n好,因為地方政府7月要編預算了嘛。8月要提出預算書。所以他們現在也會很緊張。畢竟這些科技執法費用非常的高,他們也不太可能負擔這個。必須要靠中央來幫忙。所以我們也希望環境部的態度要出來。讓地方政府好好做事。謝謝。謝謝陳委員給我們的建議。\n\n7\n00:02:34,847 --> 00:02:55,394\n這是你們環境部自己做的一個小編做出來的宣傳大家要積極的來回收紙的餐具、紙的容器等等的不過我也想問一下部長因為您可能是住在雙北或是新竹住台中您有遇過自己來追垃圾車嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:56,354 --> 00:03:19,710\n你自己有追過垃圾嗎?因為我住在那個是社區,社區就放在對,給廠商一起拿去回收嗎?對,所以不用我們有接到中南部的民眾跟我們反映說他把這些紙餐具、紙容器回收好了以後呢拿去給垃圾車結果清潔隊是跟他講說這個我們不收請你用一般垃圾塞進來就好請問你有聽說這樣子的狀況嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:21,491 --> 00:03:48,513\n有,這個我有聽過不過昨天鄭老師世界地球日在大安森林公園有一個活動那慈濟的顏執行長告訴我現在慈濟他們自己有一個技術對於紙餐劑因為紙餐劑為什麼現在在一般來講不回收就是因為它雖然中間是紙的但是它上下都一層次有一個PE圖層對,所以要把它先分開那現在慈濟他們已經有辦法把那個分開所以事實上那個紙都還可以回收所以我也請那個顏執行長\n\n10\n00:03:50,054 --> 00:03:52,895\n我先跟部長報告一下齁這個問題到底在哪裡民團已經做了一個很清楚的圖示我們來看\n\n11\n00:04:08,599 --> 00:04:32,358\n這個紙容器的製造商呢他必須要有合法繳費他才會挹注資源回收基金到末端的處理商但是因為紙容器的製造商他有地下的有短繳費用的所以我們現在的這個基金有短缺嘛因此處理商他就沒有辦法去鼓勵回收商好好的做好回收\n\n12\n00:04:33,078 --> 00:04:46,018\n所以你要不要想像一下這個經過因為你剛好講部長自己也是住在公寓大廈所以資源回收車的紙容器回收佔我們多少的百分比\n\n13\n00:04:47,939 --> 00:05:04,790\n陳委員報告你剛提到這個問題融資那個現在是15點多%那我們基本上現在要做的就是一個沿途管理事實上我們的召委主席特別關心這一塊我們現在已經在進行要來做這個從沿途事實上就要來這個\n\n14\n00:05:06,451 --> 00:05:30,022\n對,所以你也發現你們的生產數還有末端的處理數是不是有很大的落差嘛,大概5萬噸左右嘛,所以好那我們來看你的源頭管理做得如何你自己出去可能你有自己帶飲料杯但是這個便當盒啊等等的你有去掃過你上面印的QRcode嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:31,423 --> 00:05:32,444\n我告訴你掃了以後長什麼樣子齁\n\n16\n00:05:59,224 --> 00:06:11,194\n這個我早上不管是有時候人家會送飲料星巴克或是這個麥當勞冰旋風等等它上面都有一個QRcode你們的QRcode啊掃出來就是這個樣子欸\n\n17\n00:06:14,142 --> 00:06:32,094\n所有的QRCode掃出來是一模一樣就是說這個業者是來自循環署登記列管的業者你麻煩部長你去掃掃看你們自己的Code跟農業部做出來的Code農業部做出來的Code你掃下去你會發現他是哪邊生產什麼時候生產還有這一家\n\n18\n00:06:35,436 --> 00:06:57,584\n這個廠商他還有同時做了哪些農產品全部都列的一清二楚喔可是你們的QRCode就只有這樣子說實在的壞人一定走在我們前面啦我相信現在一定有地下業者他直接整個截圖貼上去他的不管是他的便當盒還是什麼就可以了因為你的掃下去沒有任何的差別\n\n19\n00:06:59,133 --> 00:07:03,282\n陳委員我是不是可以請我們副署長來說明更詳細一點可能應該有比這個更詳細的資料\n\n20\n00:07:07,712 --> 00:07:28,593\n跟委員報告,那這個扣因為有時候我們是顧慮到民眾用餐可能沒有那麼方便,它是少有沒有標示而已但是詳細的廠家生產等等的資料,那個是給我們去查了所以我們在查的時候,最近幾年用這些的方法也查到2億多的短路在追究對,所以你們內部的資料有,只是我們民眾看不到?\n\n21\n00:07:29,514 --> 00:07:40,228\n但說實在的其實你們也可以去訪問一下他去買便當通常肚子很餓或是買飲料他有東西吃就好了他怎麼他不會去管這個我頂多我還蠻在意農產品我會去管這個農產品是不是從品質優良的廠家提供的\n\n22\n00:07:47,577 --> 00:08:02,053\n但是你去買便當的時候你真的不會很在意這個盒子是不是環境部認證過的QRcode所以也許這個方法你們要再檢討一下是不是真的可以有效來控制產量跟回收量的落差\n\n23\n00:08:02,614 --> 00:08:27,654\n好謝謝陳委員的建議我請我們喜歡署來思考一下QRCode內容是不是應該要更對要更具體一點或是讓他有誘因啊因為你這樣子在懲罰很乖的人很乖的人他合法的廠商他可能會覺得欸人家就是copy複製貼上就可以做的跟我看起來一模一樣民眾掃起來也是一樣他根本也不可能會去檢舉啊是\n\n24\n00:08:29,376 --> 00:08:33,823\n最後也想請教一下部長那你沒有掃過QRCode的話你自己有騎過電動機車或是開電動車嗎?\n\n25\n00:08:37,955 --> 00:08:41,458\n我做過電動車啦但是沒有開過電動車買不起因為你們有一個2040運具電動化的這樣子的目標你知道嗎按照目前的進度啦除了108年我們有補助電動機車當時曾經暴增之後呢\n\n26\n00:08:59,594 --> 00:09:14,523\n逐年遞減,所以我們如果以每年9萬台、8萬台、7萬台這樣子的速度算下去,你猜還要多久我們才可以運具電動化?給陳委員報告,基本上我們現在的方向\n\n27\n00:09:15,363 --> 00:09:42,211\n整個政策跟交通部應該是鼓勵大眾搭乘公共運輸那早期的確有採取所謂的太舊換新只要你不管是燃油車舊的換新的或者說燃油車換成電動車都鼓勵可是這樣子的話就會造成事實上這些使用機車的人數還是沒有辦法降下來\n\n28\n00:09:43,913 --> 00:09:56,950\n我們來看使用機車的成長幅度你好像沒有很具體的做法可以讓使用機車的人降下來因為我們除了108年電車有稍微增長\n\n29\n00:10:04,776 --> 00:10:20,539\n110、111、112購買汽油機車的是遠高過購買電動機車的對那個當然是價錢也是一個因素那另外就是假如說所以現在這個是蠻矛盾的就是當我們鼓勵他即使是機車有燃油車換成電動車那這樣子我們機車的數目還是不會減少\n\n30\n00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:53,780\n好最後啦建議一下看一下對您剛提到價錢所以呢僅有不到三成他現在需要置換機車的人他會願意買電動車因為他每年花的錢實在是太多了所以你可能要仔細去想一下如果大家沒有辦法在短期內改變他的生活習慣去搭乘大眾的交通的電動公車等等的你要如何用你的補貼去讓人家有感而他在\n\n31\n00:10:54,721 --> 00:10:55,161\n陳菁徽委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5294\t24290\t主席、各位委員、各位官員,早安。我請部長。請薛部長。部長上禮拜您有提到上禮拜您提到要回去學校教書了嗎?是,因為65歲了,必須退休。在這邊也祝福您可以繼續為我們國家做育英才。是,我會。謝謝。\n25871\t50384\t今天我們來看一下這個噪音是目前我們打到不管是各縣市政府的1955等等都是民怨之首那統計起來呢臺灣有睡眠障礙的比例大概是20%所以這些人半夜一被吵醒就會陷入嚴重的失眠那我們也有看到各縣市政府都加強取締積極的開罰甚至從源頭管理規範機車改裝排氣等等多管齊下\n55126\t77321\t但是想要問一下因為前瞻計畫的第4期到今年年底就要結束了可是我們現任的國發會主委之前宣布第5期會聚焦在擴大淨零能量還有地熱、氫能等等的反而是這種跟老百姓生活很貼近的議題沒有提到請問環境部對於前瞻計畫第5期預算中積極來處理噪音問題\n82825\t84508\t這件事情有沒有什麼想法?\n100489\t124194\t三百台嗎?三百零六台,是。至於第五期當然我發現現在環境部不只是噪音這個議題事實上其他還有淨零科技、資源循環事實上都應該可以爭取更多的前瞻建設跟地方政府來共同合作能夠讓我們的環境事實上是更永續\n125114\t148324\t好,因為地方政府7月要編預算了嘛。8月要提出預算書。所以他們現在也會很緊張。畢竟這些科技執法費用非常的高,他們也不太可能負擔這個。必須要靠中央來幫忙。所以我們也希望環境部的態度要出來。讓地方政府好好做事。謝謝。謝謝陳委員給我們的建議。\n154847\t175394\t這是你們環境部自己做的一個小編做出來的宣傳大家要積極的來回收紙的餐具、紙的容器等等的不過我也想問一下部長因為您可能是住在雙北或是新竹住台中您有遇過自己來追垃圾車嗎?\n176354\t199710\t你自己有追過垃圾嗎?因為我住在那個是社區,社區就放在對,給廠商一起拿去回收嗎?對,所以不用我們有接到中南部的民眾跟我們反映說他把這些紙餐具、紙容器回收好了以後呢拿去給垃圾車結果清潔隊是跟他講說這個我們不收請你用一般垃圾塞進來就好請問你有聽說這樣子的狀況嗎?\n201491\t228513\t有,這個我有聽過不過昨天鄭老師世界地球日在大安森林公園有一個活動那慈濟的顏執行長告訴我現在慈濟他們自己有一個技術對於紙餐劑因為紙餐劑為什麼現在在一般來講不回收就是因為它雖然中間是紙的但是它上下都一層次有一個PE圖層對,所以要把它先分開那現在慈濟他們已經有辦法把那個分開所以事實上那個紙都還可以回收所以我也請那個顏執行長\n230054\t232895\t我先跟部長報告一下齁這個問題到底在哪裡民團已經做了一個很清楚的圖示我們來看\n248599\t272358\t這個紙容器的製造商呢他必須要有合法繳費他才會挹注資源回收基金到末端的處理商但是因為紙容器的製造商他有地下的有短繳費用的所以我們現在的這個基金有短缺嘛因此處理商他就沒有辦法去鼓勵回收商好好的做好回收\n273078\t286018\t所以你要不要想像一下這個經過因為你剛好講部長自己也是住在公寓大廈所以資源回收車的紙容器回收佔我們多少的百分比\n287939\t304790\t陳委員報告你剛提到這個問題融資那個現在是15點多%那我們基本上現在要做的就是一個沿途管理事實上我們的召委主席特別關心這一塊我們現在已經在進行要來做這個從沿途事實上就要來這個\n306451\t330022\t對,所以你也發現你們的生產數還有末端的處理數是不是有很大的落差嘛,大概5萬噸左右嘛,所以好那我們來看你的源頭管理做得如何你自己出去可能你有自己帶飲料杯但是這個便當盒啊等等的你有去掃過你上面印的QR code嗎?\n331423\t332444\t我告訴你掃了以後長什麼樣子齁\n359224\t371194\t這個我早上不管是有時候人家會送飲料星巴克或是這個麥當勞冰旋風等等它上面都有一個QR code你們的QR code啊掃出來就是這個樣子欸\n374142\t392094\t所有的QR Code掃出來是一模一樣就是說這個業者是來自循環署登記列管的業者你麻煩部長你去掃掃看你們自己的Code跟農業部做出來的Code農業部做出來的Code你掃下去你會發現他是哪邊生產什麼時候生產還有這一家\n395436\t417584\t這個廠商他還有同時做了哪些農產品全部都列的一清二楚喔可是你們的QR Code就只有這樣子說實在的壞人一定走在我們前面啦我相信現在一定有地下業者他直接整個截圖貼上去他的不管是他的便當盒還是什麼就可以了因為你的掃下去沒有任何的差別\n419133\t423282\t陳委員 我是不是可以請我們副署長來說明更詳細一點可能應該有比這個更詳細的資料\n427712\t448593\t跟委員報告,那這個扣因為有時候我們是顧慮到民眾用餐可能沒有那麼方便,它是少有沒有標示而已但是詳細的廠家生產等等的資料,那個是給我們去查了所以我們在查的時候,最近幾年用這些的方法也查到2億多的短路在追究對,所以你們內部的資料有,只是我們民眾看不到?\n449514\t460228\t但說實在的其實你們也可以去訪問一下他去買便當通常肚子很餓或是買飲料他有東西吃就好了他怎麼他不會去管這個我頂多我還蠻在意農產品我會去管這個農產品是不是從品質優良的廠家提供的\n467577\t482053\t但是你去買便當的時候你真的不會很在意這個盒子是不是環境部認證過的QR code所以也許這個方法你們要再檢討一下是不是真的可以有效來控制產量跟回收量的落差\n482614\t507654\t好 謝謝陳委員的建議我請我們喜歡署來思考一下QR Code內容是不是應該要更對要更具體一點或是讓他有誘因啊因為你這樣子在懲罰很乖的人很乖的人他合法的廠商他可能會覺得欸人家就是copy複製貼上就可以做的跟我看起來一模一樣民眾掃起來也是一樣他根本也不可能會去檢舉啊是\n509376\t513823\t最後也想請教一下部長那你沒有掃過QR Code的話你自己有騎過電動機車或是開電動車嗎?\n517955\t521458\t我做過電動車啦但是沒有開過電動車買不起因為你們有一個2040運具電動化的這樣子的目標你知道嗎按照目前的進度啦除了108年我們有補助電動機車當時曾經暴增之後呢\n539594\t554523\t逐年遞減,所以我們如果以每年9萬台、8萬台、7萬台這樣子的速度算下去,你猜還要多久我們才可以運具電動化?給陳委員報告,基本上我們現在的方向\n555363\t582211\t整個政策跟交通部應該是鼓勵大眾搭乘公共運輸那早期的確有採取所謂的太舊換新只要你不管是燃油車舊的換新的或者說燃油車換成電動車都鼓勵可是這樣子的話就會造成事實上這些使用機車的人數還是沒有辦法降下來\n583913\t596950\t我們來看使用機車的成長幅度你好像沒有很具體的做法可以讓使用機車的人降下來因為我們除了108年電車有稍微增長\n604776\t620539\t110、111、112購買汽油機車的是遠高過購買電動機車的對 那個當然是價錢也是一個因素那另外就是假如說所以現在這個是蠻矛盾的就是當我們鼓勵他即使是機車有燃油車換成電動車那這樣子我們機車的數目還是不會減少\n625000\t653780\t好最後啦建議一下看一下對您剛提到價錢所以呢僅有不到三成他現在需要置換機車的人他會願意買電動車因為他每年花的錢實在是太多了所以你可能要仔細去想一下如果大家沒有辦法在短期內改變他的生活習慣去搭乘大眾的交通的電動公車等等的你要如何用你的補貼去讓人家有感而他在\n654721\t655161\t陳菁徽委員\n","txt":"主席、各位委員、各位官員,早安。我請部長。請薛部長。部長上禮拜您有提到上禮拜您提到要回去學校教書了嗎?是,因為65歲了,必須退休。在這邊也祝福您可以繼續為我們國家做育英才。是,我會。謝謝。\n今天我們來看一下這個噪音是目前我們打到不管是各縣市政府的1955等等都是民怨之首那統計起來呢臺灣有睡眠障礙的比例大概是20%所以這些人半夜一被吵醒就會陷入嚴重的失眠那我們也有看到各縣市政府都加強取締積極的開罰甚至從源頭管理規範機車改裝排氣等等多管齊下\n但是想要問一下因為前瞻計畫的第4期到今年年底就要結束了可是我們現任的國發會主委之前宣布第5期會聚焦在擴大淨零能量還有地熱、氫能等等的反而是這種跟老百姓生活很貼近的議題沒有提到請問環境部對於前瞻計畫第5期預算中積極來處理噪音問題\n這件事情有沒有什麼想法?\n三百台嗎?三百零六台,是。至於第五期當然我發現現在環境部不只是噪音這個議題事實上其他還有淨零科技、資源循環事實上都應該可以爭取更多的前瞻建設跟地方政府來共同合作能夠讓我們的環境事實上是更永續\n好,因為地方政府7月要編預算了嘛。8月要提出預算書。所以他們現在也會很緊張。畢竟這些科技執法費用非常的高,他們也不太可能負擔這個。必須要靠中央來幫忙。所以我們也希望環境部的態度要出來。讓地方政府好好做事。謝謝。謝謝陳委員給我們的建議。\n這是你們環境部自己做的一個小編做出來的宣傳大家要積極的來回收紙的餐具、紙的容器等等的不過我也想問一下部長因為您可能是住在雙北或是新竹住台中您有遇過自己來追垃圾車嗎?\n你自己有追過垃圾嗎?因為我住在那個是社區,社區就放在對,給廠商一起拿去回收嗎?對,所以不用我們有接到中南部的民眾跟我們反映說他把這些紙餐具、紙容器回收好了以後呢拿去給垃圾車結果清潔隊是跟他講說這個我們不收請你用一般垃圾塞進來就好請問你有聽說這樣子的狀況嗎?\n有,這個我有聽過不過昨天鄭老師世界地球日在大安森林公園有一個活動那慈濟的顏執行長告訴我現在慈濟他們自己有一個技術對於紙餐劑因為紙餐劑為什麼現在在一般來講不回收就是因為它雖然中間是紙的但是它上下都一層次有一個PE圖層對,所以要把它先分開那現在慈濟他們已經有辦法把那個分開所以事實上那個紙都還可以回收所以我也請那個顏執行長\n我先跟部長報告一下齁這個問題到底在哪裡民團已經做了一個很清楚的圖示我們來看\n這個紙容器的製造商呢他必須要有合法繳費他才會挹注資源回收基金到末端的處理商但是因為紙容器的製造商他有地下的有短繳費用的所以我們現在的這個基金有短缺嘛因此處理商他就沒有辦法去鼓勵回收商好好的做好回收\n所以你要不要想像一下這個經過因為你剛好講部長自己也是住在公寓大廈所以資源回收車的紙容器回收佔我們多少的百分比\n陳委員報告你剛提到這個問題融資那個現在是15點多%那我們基本上現在要做的就是一個沿途管理事實上我們的召委主席特別關心這一塊我們現在已經在進行要來做這個從沿途事實上就要來這個\n對,所以你也發現你們的生產數還有末端的處理數是不是有很大的落差嘛,大概5萬噸左右嘛,所以好那我們來看你的源頭管理做得如何你自己出去可能你有自己帶飲料杯但是這個便當盒啊等等的你有去掃過你上面印的QR code嗎?\n我告訴你掃了以後長什麼樣子齁\n這個我早上不管是有時候人家會送飲料星巴克或是這個麥當勞冰旋風等等它上面都有一個QR code你們的QR code啊掃出來就是這個樣子欸\n所有的QR Code掃出來是一模一樣就是說這個業者是來自循環署登記列管的業者你麻煩部長你去掃掃看你們自己的Code跟農業部做出來的Code農業部做出來的Code你掃下去你會發現他是哪邊生產什麼時候生產還有這一家\n這個廠商他還有同時做了哪些農產品全部都列的一清二楚喔可是你們的QR Code就只有這樣子說實在的壞人一定走在我們前面啦我相信現在一定有地下業者他直接整個截圖貼上去他的不管是他的便當盒還是什麼就可以了因為你的掃下去沒有任何的差別\n陳委員 我是不是可以請我們副署長來說明更詳細一點可能應該有比這個更詳細的資料\n跟委員報告,那這個扣因為有時候我們是顧慮到民眾用餐可能沒有那麼方便,它是少有沒有標示而已但是詳細的廠家生產等等的資料,那個是給我們去查了所以我們在查的時候,最近幾年用這些的方法也查到2億多的短路在追究對,所以你們內部的資料有,只是我們民眾看不到?\n但說實在的其實你們也可以去訪問一下他去買便當通常肚子很餓或是買飲料他有東西吃就好了他怎麼他不會去管這個我頂多我還蠻在意農產品我會去管這個農產品是不是從品質優良的廠家提供的\n但是你去買便當的時候你真的不會很在意這個盒子是不是環境部認證過的QR code所以也許這個方法你們要再檢討一下是不是真的可以有效來控制產量跟回收量的落差\n好 謝謝陳委員的建議我請我們喜歡署來思考一下QR Code內容是不是應該要更對要更具體一點或是讓他有誘因啊因為你這樣子在懲罰很乖的人很乖的人他合法的廠商他可能會覺得欸人家就是copy複製貼上就可以做的跟我看起來一模一樣民眾掃起來也是一樣他根本也不可能會去檢舉啊是\n最後也想請教一下部長那你沒有掃過QR 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