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00:02:33,359\n每天去查或每週4至5支還要看他查的點到底是多少所以我想問一下請問警政署針對噪音管制執法的頻率強度目前中央是不是有統一的最低執法的頻率因為環境間的確不是你們啟動可是如果你們不配合的話基本上這效果非常的差那你就要問說那警政署這邊知不知道各地的做法是什麼\n\n8\n00:02:34,990 --> 00:02:59,289\n報告委員在原則上有關於這個環保噪音的取締部分我們是屬於一個被動配合的一個機關所以就是環保有找你們才去做環保都沒有找你就沒有去做這是第一個就是說環保他那一邊有排的時候我們一定配合那另外我們自己本身的防制危險駕車的那個勤務的部分那可能會在\n\n9\n00:03:01,150 --> 00:03:28,253\n但是中央如果沒有特別去要求的話會不會如果環保找各地的警局去配合的時候通常也不可行因為你這邊大概沒有統一的一些要求的頻率就像幼童車輛車它有一些檢驗在路上攔查的頻率而且有被法規規定所以我想問一下你們中央自己到底有沒有特別去做這樣的配合\n\n10\n00:03:30,170 --> 00:03:52,766\n我剛剛的資料裡面事實上這裡面環境間聯合稽查從110年到上個月總共4097個場次那告發的次數是7730可是如果你是分散到各縣市的話不一的話那狀態就會像現在看到的是桃園最高嘛然後\n\n11\n00:03:53,827 --> 00:04:08,964\n新北事實上是次高嘛可是我們也不知道這個量體的狀態是什麼是不是有因為這些區域裡邊有特別的地點事實上是比較常發生的所以有去做所以比較中央我覺得比較沒有辦法掌握了\n\n12\n00:04:11,352 --> 00:04:23,858\n這一點我想我們再來跟這個交通部、內政部來思考一下三個部會應該要共同因為這件事情不是只有環境部有關聲音取締設備的裝置狀況這一樣也是我們去問\n\n13\n00:04:29,856 --> 00:04:31,016\n林月琴林月琴\n\n14\n00:04:56,425 --> 00:05:03,469\n我跟林委員再報告一下就是說環境部跟各縣市在分配這個聲音照相的這個部分也必須各縣市首長願意提撥配合款\n\n15\n00:05:24,059 --> 00:05:28,144\n所以整個噪音取締的設備跟手段事實上在執行的時候我們還看到一些問題點就是說\n\n16\n00:05:43,863 --> 00:05:57,631\n您的聯合稽查必須要由警方配合所以我為什麼剛剛先問警政署可是各縣市執行的頻率不太一樣還有移動式的噪音照相這個因為環境的條件上蠻嚴苛的所以常常取締\n\n17\n00:05:59,028 --> 00:05:59,228\n主席\n\n18\n00:06:23,210 --> 00:06:50,646\n有改善的空間因為這個剛剛也才執行一段時間嘛那我們allways一個政策推動開始初期總是可能還會有哪些不足那就透過後續陸陸續續再去把它改善那就煩勞部長交接給下一任部長真的要好好的去做啦因為這對國人事實上是蠻困擾的那目前不只是我們的現行法規管制真的是不夠嚴格因為罰款\n\n19\n00:06:51,647 --> 00:06:51,847\n林月琴\n\n20\n00:07:28,755 --> 00:07:55,669\n所以根本抓也抓不完抓了等於沒抓所以請問交通部、環境部可不可以針對加重罰則然後針對累犯當場查扣車輛不知道這兩個部會可不可以回答可以做得到嗎因為我個人的感覺是的確這個金額對很多這個特別是在玩車族以及那些高檔車的人這個真的是完全沒有印象對可是你現在\n\n21\n00:07:57,090 --> 00:07:57,591\n對,你的登記系統,我們現在台灣有一千\n\n22\n00:08:18,191 --> 00:08:21,173\n光講機車有1455萬輛的機車可是現在登記的是14900多件然後只有1900我剛看簡報是1957件\n\n23\n00:08:31,155 --> 00:08:31,295\n林月琴\n\n24\n00:09:14,322 --> 00:09:31,713\n還是麻煩因為時間關係請提供一個報告就你未來如何改善經濟因為只是採用這個登記的話我覺得效果不彰所以我認為源頭管制是非常重要的因為透過肩頸間的一個\n\n25\n00:09:33,274 --> 00:09:47,899\n蘭茶跟登記這個制度去管制根本就是不足的源頭管理反而是首先就是設備可是我們對於排氣管的這個設備並沒有明定規定說要去變更的時候做一個嚴厲的採儲\n\n26\n00:09:50,336 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事實上這裡面環境間聯合稽查從110年到上個月總共4097個場次 那告發的次數是7730可是如果你是分散到各縣市的話 不一的話 那狀態就會像現在看到的是桃園最高嘛 然後\n新北事實上是次高嘛可是我們也不知道這個量體的狀態是什麼是不是有因為這些區域裡邊有特別的地點事實上是比較常發生的所以有去做所以比較中央我覺得比較沒有辦法掌握了\n這一點我想我們再來跟這個交通部、內政部來思考一下三個部會應該要共同因為這件事情不是只有環境部有關聲音取締設備的裝置狀況這一樣也是我們去問\n林月琴林月琴\n我跟林委員再報告一下就是說環境部跟各縣市在分配這個聲音照相的這個部分也必須各縣市首長願意提撥配合款\n所以整個噪音取締的設備跟手段事實上在執行的時候我們還看到一些問題點就是說\n您的聯合稽查必須要由警方配合所以我為什麼剛剛先問警政署可是各縣市執行的頻率不太一樣還有移動式的噪音照相這個因為環境的條件上蠻嚴苛的所以常常取締\n主席\n有改善的空間因為這個剛剛也才執行一段時間嘛那我們allways一個政策推動開始初期總是可能還會有哪些不足那就透過後續陸陸續續再去把它改善那就煩勞部長交接給下一任部長真的要好好的去做啦因為這對國人事實上是蠻困擾的那目前不只是我們的現行法規管制真的是不夠嚴格因為罰款\n林月琴\n⋯⋯⋯⋯\n所以根本抓也抓不完抓了等於沒抓所以請問交通部、環境部可不可以針對加重罰則然後針對累犯當場查扣車輛不知道這兩個部會可不可以回答可以做得到嗎因為我個人的感覺是的確這個金額對很多這個特別是在玩車族以及那些高檔車的人這個真的是完全沒有印象對可是你現在\n對,你的登記系統,我們現在台灣有一千\n光講機車有1455萬輛的機車可是現在登記的是14900多件然後只有1900我剛看簡報是1957件\n林月琴\n﹗\n還是麻煩因為時間關係請提供一個報告就你未來如何改善經濟因為只是採用這個登記的話我覺得效果不彰所以我認為源頭管制是非常重要的因為透過肩頸間的一個\n蘭茶跟登記這個制度去管制根本就是不足的源頭管理反而是首先就是設備可是我們對於排氣管的這個設備並沒有明定規定說要去變更的時候做一個嚴厲的採儲\n李慧琴\n希望針對這一塊甚至消費者角度上來看的話可能他也不知道他改裝竟然會產生噪音所以還是希望是不是可以比照國外一個事實上是對車主提高罰金那美國大概就是紐約現在其他州也開始跟進也就是說大概跟台灣相差罰金差10倍還有源頭管理應該是改裝的車廠如果他違規那是不是\n林月琴委員的發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.797 --> 00:10.352\n請我們的部長還有我們的警政署副署長還有交通部司長李副署長\n\n00:14.815 --> 00:41.025\n部長早早部長噪音污染大概是長期我們國人最為生活困擾的而且現在大家生活都高壓力然後晚上睡不著又再加上噪音這個議題大概不分我們的城鄉那這幾年當然環境部跟交通部跟警政署確實有非常多的解方可是是不是能達到效果我覺得有待檢驗\n\n00:42.324 --> 00:53.636\n所以先請問一下警政署這邊目前是不是有掌握全國縣市執行環境間聯合稽查的狀況而且請問每週攔查幾次每次從幾點到幾點開始攔查\n\n00:58.257 --> 01:16.618\n我們以112例來講我們聯合稽查有1826次我們去年整體我們自己在執行當中不管盤查、攔檢的有查後發現這個有改裝的因為掌握各縣市的狀況那整體的數據\n\n01:20.195 --> 01:42.120\n報告委員基本上環境間的情路並不是我們警察去規劃的因為我們的人數比較多那環保跟監理人員比較少是由環保那一邊他規劃出來之後他有規劃多少組多少次我們就多少員警配合他我為什麼這樣子問這是我們辦公室這邊因為拿不到資料所以我們\n\n01:42.700 --> 01:43.080\n林月琴議員\n\n02:07.054 --> 02:33.359\n每天去查或每週4至5支還要看他查的點到底是多少所以我想問一下請問警政署針對噪音管制執法的頻率強度目前中央是不是有統一的最低執法的頻率因為環境間的確不是你們啟動可是如果你們不配合的話基本上這效果非常的差那你就要問說那警政署這邊知不知道各地的做法是什麼\n\n02:34.990 --> 02:59.289\n報告委員在原則上有關於這個環保噪音的取締部分我們是屬於一個被動配合的一個機關所以就是環保有找你們才去做環保都沒有找你就沒有去做這是第一個就是說環保他那一邊有排的時候我們一定配合那另外我們自己本身的防制危險駕車的那個勤務的部分那可能會在\n\n03:01.150 --> 03:28.253\n但是中央如果沒有特別去要求的話會不會如果環保找各地的警局去配合的時候通常也不可行因為你這邊大概沒有統一的一些要求的頻率就像幼童車輛車它有一些檢驗在路上攔查的頻率而且有被法規規定所以我想問一下你們中央自己到底有沒有特別去做這樣的配合\n\n03:30.170 --> 03:52.766\n我剛剛的資料裡面事實上這裡面環境間聯合稽查從110年到上個月總共4097個場次那告發的次數是7730可是如果你是分散到各縣市的話不一的話那狀態就會像現在看到的是桃園最高嘛然後\n\n03:53.827 --> 04:08.964\n新北事實上是次高嘛可是我們也不知道這個量體的狀態是什麼是不是有因為這些區域裡邊有特別的地點事實上是比較常發生的所以有去做所以比較中央我覺得比較沒有辦法掌握了\n\n04:11.352 --> 04:23.858\n這一點我想我們再來跟這個交通部、內政部來思考一下三個部會應該要共同因為這件事情不是只有環境部有關聲音取締設備的裝置狀況這一樣也是我們去問\n\n04:29.856 --> 04:31.016\n林月琴林月琴\n\n04:56.425 --> 05:03.469\n我跟林委員再報告一下就是說環境部跟各縣市在分配這個聲音照相的這個部分也必須各縣市首長願意提撥配合款\n\n05:24.059 --> 05:28.144\n所以整個噪音取締的設備跟手段事實上在執行的時候我們還看到一些問題點就是說\n\n05:43.863 --> 05:57.631\n您的聯合稽查必須要由警方配合所以我為什麼剛剛先問警政署可是各縣市執行的頻率不太一樣還有移動式的噪音照相這個因為環境的條件上蠻嚴苛的所以常常取締\n\n05:59.028 --> 05:59.228\n主席\n\n06:23.210 --> 06:50.646\n有改善的空間因為這個剛剛也才執行一段時間嘛那我們allways一個政策推動開始初期總是可能還會有哪些不足那就透過後續陸陸續續再去把它改善那就煩勞部長交接給下一任部長真的要好好的去做啦因為這對國人事實上是蠻困擾的那目前不只是我們的現行法規管制真的是不夠嚴格因為罰款\n\n06:51.647 --> 06:51.847\n林月琴\n\n07:28.755 --> 07:55.669\n所以根本抓也抓不完抓了等於沒抓所以請問交通部、環境部可不可以針對加重罰則然後針對累犯當場查扣車輛不知道這兩個部會可不可以回答可以做得到嗎因為我個人的感覺是的確這個金額對很多這個特別是在玩車族以及那些高檔車的人這個真的是完全沒有印象對可是你現在\n\n07:57.090 --> 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