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00:01:22,564\n中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。\n\n5\n00:01:29,048 --> 00:01:40,001\n即將又有新風貌所以在徵選建築團隊完成之後文化部其實有召開了一個類似記者會讓外界知道這個建築團隊的過去有非常好的資歷\n\n6\n00:01:44,847 --> 00:01:46,168\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告\n\n7\n00:02:00,154 --> 00:02:00,314\n報告案計2案。\n\n8\n00:02:16,716 --> 00:02:45,038\n規劃中的都應該要能夠揭露我為什麼這樣講因為其實我自己推動了多年的一個案子在我們樹林區希望能夠有社會住宅並且是能夠是有醫養專區結合進來的這個案子我在網站上就看不到我覺得這是很可惜的一件事情這個我們另外等一下來討論那在進入到本件這個之前我也想跟這個部長這邊再請教一下部長你就知道說\n\n9\n00:02:45,899 --> 00:02:46,159\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n\n10\n00:03:04,079 --> 00:03:05,700\n中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n\n11\n00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:07,041\n中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。News.\n\n12\n00:03:07,041 --> 00:03:09,482\n中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。News.\n\n13\n00:03:22,944 --> 00:03:26,726\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告\n\n14\n00:03:51,460 --> 00:03:54,464\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon\n\n15\n00:04:29,460 --> 00:04:34,125\n、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n\n16\n00:04:49,179 --> 00:04:51,120\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案\n\n17\n00:05:11,292 --> 00:05:30,912\n哇!啊這個到底他是真的有需要這樣的資料還是是其實他這個速度其實就是因為我們的意見不一致所以有卡關的狀態秘書長你知道我們的社會住宅案件當中有多少就有這樣的狀況嗎?中央和地方不同調所以推動的速度不一樣你有知道這樣的現象嗎?\n\n18\n00:05:32,653 --> 00:05:49,262\n我的瞭解是確實每個地方政府態度不一致,那有的確實是在速度上、效率上、配合度上都有一些……對,而且這些東西你其實要放在檯面上的話,他也可以說得有情有據、有憑有據啊,有要求地方的提出交通影響評估,對啊聽起來很合理啊,但是你到底要求他要到多細?\n\n19\n00:05:56,145 --> 00:06:20,163\n字數要幾字這個就是其中的玄機就是在裡面了嘛所以我們會建議內政部這個定期把各縣市政府的進度來對外共同這就是回到我剛剛說的這個資訊應該要被揭露每一個中央層級地方政府到底都要求哪一些資料要補貼進度是如何要讓民眾可以了解這樣才知道\n\n20\n00:06:21,364 --> 00:06:26,712\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告\n\n21\n00:06:37,005 --> 00:07:03,457\n社會住宅的部分是能夠把中央跟地方的權責能夠第一分清楚第二能夠把資訊揭露讓社會公平這是我的要求啊那有跟委員報告目前有一個新的政策就是各縣市政府所開發的譬如說區段徵收區要提供3到5%直轄市要5%那縣的話要3%的土地來做為社宅用地\n\n22\n00:07:03,877 --> 00:07:23,064\n因為我來自新北市我們對社會住宅的需求量是大的所以我非常支持現在的這個新的修正方案那我知道用直轄市來匡約的話因為六都的需求不一樣所以有些縣市比如說台中等等他們有其他不同的意見但我認為新北市\n\n23\n00:07:23,684 --> 00:07:42,929\n做這個規定來講是非常合情合理的所以呢我也是希望中央能夠就這個規定能夠有更多的彰顯跟資訊討論是那另外對於已經合定的已經正在進行中的新的這些重劃區譬如說像新北就是溫子郡溫子郡嗎我們就直接講明了就是溫子郡啊那麼大的一片內政部會用勸導\n\n24\n00:07:45,069 --> 00:07:50,270\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle,您的評論是如何?您的評論是如何?\n\n25\n00:08:56,476 --> 00:09:01,420\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n\n26\n00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,801\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n\n27\n00:09:57,214 --> 00:09:57,394\n請劉勳廷委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4059\t4079\t委員會議\n21198\t44068\t就是我們中央政府雖然是中央還要接一個地方才會到人民但也正因為這個距離所以中央所做的事務資訊其實是應該要更明白的揭露給人民知道給民眾知道這樣才知道中央的這個層級政府到底做了什麼事啊比如說剛剛張委員剛剛說的這個兒童未來館的興建\n46209\t56198\t是啊,而且未來館的興建不但現在在加緊進度當中而且這個預算也增加許多嘛然後這個建築師也是得到大獎這資訊秘書長知道嗎?是,我有掌握\n59468\t82564\t中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。\n89048\t100001\t即將又有新風貌所以在徵選建築團隊完成之後文化部其實有召開了一個類似記者會讓外界知道這個建築團隊的過去有非常好的資歷\n104847\t106168\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告\n120154\t120314\t報告案計2案。\n136716\t165038\t規劃中的都應該要能夠揭露我為什麼這樣講因為其實我自己推動了多年的一個案子在我們樹林區希望能夠有社會住宅並且是能夠是有醫養專區結合進來的這個案子我在網站上就看不到我覺得這是很可惜的一件事情這個我們另外等一下來討論那在進入到本件這個之前我也想跟這個部長這邊再請教一下部長你就知道說\n165899\t166159\t新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n184079\t185700\t中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n185700\t187041\t中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。News.\n187041\t189482\t中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。News.\n202944\t206726\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告\n231460\t234464\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon\n246357\t269360\t議員議員議員\n269460\t274125\t、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n289179\t291120\t三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案\n311292\t330912\t哇!啊這個到底他是真的有需要這樣的資料還是是其實他這個速度其實就是因為我們的意見不一致所以有卡關的狀態秘書長你知道我們的社會住宅案件當中有多少就有這樣的狀況嗎?中央和地方不同調所以推動的速度不一樣你有知道這樣的現象嗎?\n332653\t349262\t我的瞭解是確實每個地方政府態度不一致,那有的確實是在速度上、效率上、配合度上都有一些……對,而且這些東西你其實要放在檯面上的話,他也可以說得有情有據、有憑有據啊,有要求地方的提出交通影響評估,對啊聽起來很合理啊,但是你到底要求他要到多細?\n356145\t380163\t字數要幾字這個就是其中的玄機就是在裡面了嘛所以我們會建議內政部這個定期把各縣市政府的進度來對外共同這就是回到我剛剛說的這個資訊應該要被揭露每一個中央層級地方政府到底都要求哪一些資料要補貼進度是如何要讓民眾可以了解這樣才知道\n381364\t386712\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告\n397005\t423457\t社會住宅的部分是能夠把中央跟地方的權責能夠第一分清楚第二能夠把資訊揭露讓社會公平這是我的要求啊那有跟委員報告目前有一個新的政策就是各縣市政府所開發的譬如說區段徵收區要提供3到5%直轄市要5%那縣的話要3%的土地來做為社宅用地\n423877\t443064\t因為我來自新北市我們對社會住宅的需求量是大的所以我非常支持現在的這個新的修正方案那我知道用直轄市來匡約的話因為六都的需求不一樣所以有些縣市比如說台中等等他們有其他不同的意見但我認為新北市\n443684\t462929\t做這個規定來講是非常合情合理的所以呢我也是希望中央能夠就這個規定能夠有更多的彰顯跟資訊討論是那另外對於已經合定的已經正在進行中的新的這些重劃區譬如說像新北就是溫子郡溫子郡嗎我們就直接講明了就是溫子郡啊那麼大的一片內政部會用勸導\n465069\t470270\t三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle,您的評論是如何?您的評論是如何?\n494497\t514036\t議員議員議員議員議員議員\n514036\t536476\t議員議員議員\n536476\t541420\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n565720\t568801\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n597214\t597394\t請劉勳廷委員\n","txt":"委員會議\n就是我們中央政府雖然是中央還要接一個地方才會到人民但也正因為這個距離所以中央所做的事務資訊其實是應該要更明白的揭露給人民知道給民眾知道這樣才知道中央的這個層級政府到底做了什麼事啊比如說剛剛張委員剛剛說的這個兒童未來館的興建\n是啊,而且未來館的興建不但現在在加緊進度當中而且這個預算也增加許多嘛然後這個建築師也是得到大獎這資訊秘書長知道嗎?是,我有掌握\n中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。stanbul三、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。\n即將又有新風貌所以在徵選建築團隊完成之後文化部其實有召開了一個類似記者會讓外界知道這個建築團隊的過去有非常好的資歷\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告\n報告案計2案。\n規劃中的都應該要能夠揭露我為什麼這樣講因為其實我自己推動了多年的一個案子在我們樹林區希望能夠有社會住宅並且是能夠是有醫養專區結合進來的這個案子我在網站上就看不到我覺得這是很可惜的一件事情這個我們另外等一下來討論那在進入到本件這個之前我也想跟這個部長這邊再請教一下部長你就知道說\n新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞\n中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。News.\n中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。News.\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon\n議員議員議員\n、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案\n哇!啊這個到底他是真的有需要這樣的資料還是是其實他這個速度其實就是因為我們的意見不一致所以有卡關的狀態秘書長你知道我們的社會住宅案件當中有多少就有這樣的狀況嗎?中央和地方不同調所以推動的速度不一樣你有知道這樣的現象嗎?\n我的瞭解是確實每個地方政府態度不一致,那有的確實是在速度上、效率上、配合度上都有一些……對,而且這些東西你其實要放在檯面上的話,他也可以說得有情有據、有憑有據啊,有要求地方的提出交通影響評估,對啊聽起來很合理啊,但是你到底要求他要到多細?\n字數要幾字這個就是其中的玄機就是在裡面了嘛所以我們會建議內政部這個定期把各縣市政府的進度來對外共同這就是回到我剛剛說的這個資訊應該要被揭露每一個中央層級地方政府到底都要求哪一些資料要補貼進度是如何要讓民眾可以了解這樣才知道\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告\n社會住宅的部分是能夠把中央跟地方的權責能夠第一分清楚第二能夠把資訊揭露讓社會公平這是我的要求啊那有跟委員報告目前有一個新的政策就是各縣市政府所開發的譬如說區段徵收區要提供3到5%直轄市要5%那縣的話要3%的土地來做為社宅用地\n因為我來自新北市我們對社會住宅的需求量是大的所以我非常支持現在的這個新的修正方案那我知道用直轄市來匡約的話因為六都的需求不一樣所以有些縣市比如說台中等等他們有其他不同的意見但我認為新北市\n做這個規定來講是非常合情合理的所以呢我也是希望中央能夠就這個規定能夠有更多的彰顯跟資訊討論是那另外對於已經合定的已經正在進行中的新的這些重劃區譬如說像新北就是溫子郡溫子郡嗎我們就直接講明了就是溫子郡啊那麼大的一片內政部會用勸導\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle,您的評論是如何?您的評論是如何?\n議員議員議員議員議員議員\n議員議員議員\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n請劉勳廷委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.059 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