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00:02:32,298\n2019年8月1日到今年的4月運安會總共發布了改善建議總共是607項航空類33項水路類235項鐵道類202項公路類137項但是我們的這個\n\n8\n00:02:43,388 --> 00:03:11,260\n改善建議其實我認為有一個問題就是說我們改善建議的這樣的一個分類的類型主要是以受建議的單位以及處理的狀態來作為一個分類類型的一個基本的原則但是我認為我們以2022年0528就是第177車次竹南站的重大鐵道事故為例\n\n9\n00:03:12,841 --> 00:03:12,901\n﹚李昆澤\n\n10\n00:03:27,648 --> 00:03:54,589\n人員類、機械類都有他的必須要改善的一個項目像制度類我們的檢查項目規章的一個修改負責人的制度等等或者是說人員類的人員培訓的部分或是機械類的閘瓦機鐵他那邊受損告警系統等等都有出現相關的問題那這些呢運安會啊必須來做一個基本的調整來主委讓你說明一下\n\n11\n00:03:56,473 --> 00:04:22,311\n委員執教確實沒有錯。我們原來是比較被動是針對被改善建議的一個針對那個單位來做的。那事實上我們在去年原建議之後我們已經在準備要做一個所謂的動態統計儀表班。我們已經準備在設計了。因為這個設計坦白講有一點需要經費。所以我們也在逐步在往這個方向推。\n\n12\n00:04:22,731 --> 00:04:46,124\n因為我們對於相關分類的類型這個改善建議是交通意外事故改善交通安全一個改善落實的重要的基礎資料我認為說我們應安會對於這些分類的對於改善建議要進一步的分類就是說針對類型我們要提出統計\n\n13\n00:04:47,225 --> 00:05:15,987\n那才能有效去統計出相同或是類似的問題那進一步提出系統性的一個改善的建議當然內容也應該要即時公開我認為我們這個改善建議要對社會大眾來即時的公開來顯示並且而且要顯示改善的狀況希望能夠資訊透明才能夠有效的改善這些交通的安全那\n\n14\n00:05:17,506 --> 00:05:34,193\n我認為我們的這個多項改善建議沒有去改善這個應該要跟各個單位去加強溝通我看看我們2023年運輸安全改善建議的評估報告那改善建議的結案率\n\n15\n00:05:35,953 --> 00:05:36,193\n﹚李昆澤\n\n16\n00:05:52,043 --> 00:06:18,602\n相關單位來進行改善也是一個重要的工作來主委讓你說明一下怎麼去加強多數改善這個委員的指教真的是對的我們有跟各個單位有近期在召開所謂安全工作的協調會那安全資訊的分享我們在這個會裡面會把我們統計室跟各單位講說你這個哪裡有問題你需要我協助或者是你哪裡做不到我們幫你去協調交通部的相關單位那\n\n17\n00:06:20,066 --> 00:06:45,974\n坦白講,這樣做的做法上是有進步的,譬如說過去4年,過去4年的水路事態調查案件,從109年到112年,從56件、60件、30件到110件,去年已經減少到23件,它成效已經出來,不過我們還要繼續努力,確實是這樣子。主委,你的重要責任就是要強化事故調查的量能,而且還要提出改善建議,更重要,要去督促啊,\n\n18\n00:06:46,736 --> 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--> 00:17.862\n好,謝謝陳雪生召委。請一下林主委。林主委請。林主委好。我記得你以前有擔任過民航局的副局長嗎?是。好。\n\n00:19.710 --> 00:33.869\n林主委,我們剛才啊,召委有提到相關的這些重大意外事故的相關的調查的定義跟範圍。其實這個很明確的,因為當初的運輸事故調查法,就是我訂的。\n\n00:34.710 --> 00:55.650\n那這個運輸調查法他相關的定義跟範疇是由運安會相關的執法另外去制定這些範圍那當然他的定義非常簡單他的範圍就是死亡3人以上或者是死亡跟受傷有10人以上或者是他的受傷有15人以上\n\n01:16.616 --> 01:16.916\n委員會主席\n\n01:35.416 --> 02:04.062\n再做調整一下就是說我們應該是針對系統性或者是風險性來做一個檢討相關的所謂的這一種重大運輸事故的這樣一個範圍這個我是認為讓運安會來做思考以後的一個重點那我們今天討論的重點當然是在於運安會有三大職者第一個職者就是要強化自己的事故調查的一個量能\n\n02:05.011 --> 02:23.610\n第二是對於我們的交通重大運輸事故要提出改善的建議第三要去監督落實這些改善建議能夠真正完整的一個改善那現在我們看到運安會成立\n\n02:25.332 --> 02:32.298\n2019年8月1日到今年的4月運安會總共發布了改善建議總共是607項航空類33項水路類235項鐵道類202項公路類137項但是我們的這個\n\n02:43.388 --> 03:11.260\n改善建議其實我認為有一個問題就是說我們改善建議的這樣的一個分類的類型主要是以受建議的單位以及處理的狀態來作為一個分類類型的一個基本的原則但是我認為我們以2022年0528就是第177車次竹南站的重大鐵道事故為例\n\n03:12.841 --> 03:12.901\n﹚李昆澤\n\n03:27.648 --> 03:54.589\n人員類、機械類都有他的必須要改善的一個項目像制度類我們的檢查項目規章的一個修改負責人的制度等等或者是說人員類的人員培訓的部分或是機械類的閘瓦機鐵他那邊受損告警系統等等都有出現相關的問題那這些呢運安會啊必須來做一個基本的調整來主委讓你說明一下\n\n03:56.473 --> 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