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00:03:47,670\n我們因為不說航空啦吼航空你你調查航空事務的時候這些調查官他本身要有航務機務甚至有captain機師甚至有相關的航管人員的經驗等等那不同的專業要來調查一個這麼複雜的航空事務的時候我們所聘用的人\n\n11\n00:03:48,370 --> 00:03:48,470\n林國成議員\n\n12\n00:04:05,170 --> 00:04:25,249\n委員這裡寫聘僱其實我們是聘用啦齁那這些聘用人員他為什麼稅稅稍微高是因為他專業那他在調查過程中他需要協調事業目的事業機關來跟他一起工作的時候我知道來這個聘僱人員最主要是專業任用啦\n\n13\n00:04:25,609 --> 00:04:26,989\n另外一個就比較敏感一點\n\n14\n00:04:48,678 --> 00:05:01,334\n過去應安會是內鬥的非常厲害主委你上來以後有沒有改善我那個已經都改善了而且已經事情不會再發生了可是我看他們你在講話都沒有注意看你啊\n\n15\n00:05:02,735 --> 00:05:22,133\n有嗎?有嗎?所以我在想是這樣啦我是覺得我們這個是專業單位的專業所以我相信大家水準層次都很高可是在這個部分我們過去所報導所看到的確確實實內鬥很嚴重所以主委\n\n16\n00:05:25,316 --> 00:05:50,786\n我要拜託你不要讓人家既然內鬥他就不會專心去做調查所以這點你要去把他做湯口啦齁做湯口要把他做得好一點所以這個好最後一個我這裡一個數據啦齁這裡一個數據也就是你們的結案例剛剛你有報告齁當然被凍結的原因是因為\n\n17\n00:05:51,766 --> 00:05:51,866\n林國成議員\n\n18\n00:06:09,266 --> 00:06:32,802\n主委你還是要去加強在這整個為什麼非安就代表我們現在這個組織裡面非安人才多其他的人才是不足的所以這點主委你可能還是要去注意最後一點我必須要去提醒主委啦反正獨立單位要有獨立單位他的格調\n\n19\n00:06:33,903 --> 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