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00:01:36,529\n未來跟我們的部內的主管同仁去慢慢去學習你認為他的專業有沒有超越你在環境相關的專業上面他有沒有超越你因為我們是希望說部長愈換愈專業愈好嘛你認為他們有他的專業是氣象專業我知道啦但是因為目前中央氣象署是隸屬在交通部啦\n\n5\n00:01:38,100 --> 00:01:52,971\n但是環境部我們譬如說監測資訊師、我們大氣師事實上也都跟氣象署合作的關係非常密切已經很長久的時間譬如說像今年23月份我們跟NASA好好好\n\n6\n00:01:54,232 --> 00:02:08,253\n這個話題我想到此或許部長你也不適宜再對新部長有一些評論不過本席是希望說要帶領環境部環境部其實各部門大家其實都是專業比較不是政治的考量\n\n7\n00:02:08,753 --> 00:02:30,651\n所以當然希望這個部長是要專業取勝不是說只要跟準總統關係比較親近他就可以擔任這個位置這個是我們期待的那我當然也謝謝部長這個您是專業出身大家對你其實也有期待8個月可能其實覺得太短了一點這個應該是讓你如果有更多的時間可以把你的相關的專業跟長才發揮得更淋漓盡致才對那進到今天的這個主題\n\n8\n00:02:36,736 --> 00:02:52,547\n部長你是台中出來的你在台中的時候你有沒有這個半夜睡覺的時候被這個惱人的機車、汽車噪音吵醒過有有對不對對對正好住在大馬路旁邊很惱人對不對是所以的確是所以我們認同這個要取締是這個是民怨之首但是要取締我們就要來看怎麼有效的取締事實上這個噪音案件已經飆增56%那你如果都是要靠環境監\n\n9\n00:03:06,596 --> 00:03:27,191\n要動用基層的環保局的人警察人員三更半夜10點到凌晨6點在那邊站崗這個叫做勞師動作真的是累死人了這個恐怕機察人員也做不久就會過勞了所以本席覺得最有效的方式應該我們透過科技執法\n\n10\n00:03:27,831 --> 00:03:54,236\n認同這科技執法就是透過這個照相跟聲音的部分就可以直接取締開發那這個是最有效的但是這個圖表這個部長我希望這個您在離任之前這件事情你要全力支持這一個科技執法可以提升執法的量能也可以減少人力但是目前全國的設備全國210套固定109套移動101套\n\n11\n00:03:56,997 --> 00:04:13,443\n真的太少了你看看單是臺中市臺中市的人口即將邁入285萬比臺北市要多但是目前我看到一個是少一個是分布不均你光看六都的分配臺中市13部\n\n12\n00:04:13,643 --> 00:04:14,103\n王育敏議員\n\n13\n00:04:33,783 --> 00:05:00,880\n老師說我不知道標準在哪裡給王委員報告因為剛開始才210部的確有一點分配不均那我會責成環境部我們同仁再來檢討但是更重要是說既然大家假如認同科技執法是最有效而且不會勞師動眾那我們也很期待委員能夠將來幫忙環境部我一定大力支持但是你們編太少\n\n14\n00:05:02,421 --> 00:05:11,887\n我現在要告訴部長的就是說你現在114年的預算1.9億才要96步分配到二十幾個限制306步啦你是要增設96還是306?306到明年底因為你們的語意有點不清楚\n\n15\n00:05:18,772 --> 00:05:46,666\n本來是112到116編了1.9億要買306那我們現在把它時間縮短到114提早兩年明年就可以增加306是增加306步是是那就會把這個數目盡量把它那我問你臺中市政府有新聞給你們他要50步你們在未來明年的這306步他們想要的數量這樣達得到嗎\n\n16\n00:05:47,826 --> 00:06:07,393\n我想我們同仁他們應該有一些計算公式不過我想這個王委員這一點我們將來特別留意好不好我希望的就是說我今天也不是只是幫台中市爭取是這一個問題很惱人我去年也擔任副市長您也是台中出身那台中問題很嚴重我知道像桃園其實也很嚴重\n\n17\n00:06:08,733 --> 00:06:29,600\n新北京很嚴重大家都很嚴重那現在既然環境部要編組我希望你們要聽見地方的聲音地方需要的量我們就一次應該把它編組因為明年的預算還沒有要審那如果你現在部裡面編的還不夠其實環境部各樣的預算很多針對民怨之首我覺得環境部如果用力的去做大家會很有感\n\n18\n00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:50,459\n而且會很感謝部長您這個雖然上任不到一年但是如果這個是您可以回去好好督導環境部在520之前讓大家把這個預算編足也讓各地方政府感受到說這個中央環境部很重視大家也不要讓我們的地方的這些環保局的人員過老的話我覺得這是一個很大的政績\n\n19\n00:06:51,980 --> 00:07:13,016\n好不好,我們全力來支持,那你要督促部內把這件事情做好好,謝謝那另外一個就是我們的那個燃油機車數量居高不下的問題這個空污我們機動的污染源這個管制在這個燃油機車這個就佔一個非常大的比例那你看這個圖表\n\n20\n00:07:13,917 --> 00:07:20,701\n我們每一年我們的燃油機車數量還在成長已經來到1384萬那雖然我們的電動機車有在成長那成長的幅度坦白講並不算太高那所以在這個部分今天交通部也有來這個交通部我們的林司長林福山司長我覺得這件事情也不是只有這個環境部的責任因為這個主管\n\n21\n00:07:39,993 --> 00:08:01,140\n主管這個燃油機車這個其實是交通部那怎麼樣是不是交通部認證資源也很多啊跟環境部討論用一個更有效的這個政策我們來有效的引導讓電動機車的增加是有效去汰換燃油機車而不是兩個數字都增加目前我看起來這個就是民眾好像\n\n22\n00:08:02,721 --> 00:08:02,761\n韓國瑜委員會議\n\n23\n00:08:31,898 --> 00:08:52,727\n願意去換電動機車的比例再更提高不要再繼續購買燃油車這個交通部有沒有什麼想法?這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說運氣電動化裡面剛剛提到包括電動大客車包括電動對這部分做得很好包括電動機車我覺得公車做得很好但機車做得不好對那現在就是說在2040\n\n24\n00:08:54,088 --> 00:09:18,789\n那這個電動小客車跟電動機車我們原則上就是希望達到市售比百分之百的部分那目前是在這個過程當中那剛剛委員所提到的部分的話就是針對這個電動小客車還有電動機車的部分的話目前交通部跟經濟部還有環保署我們三個部會會通力來這個合作那目前是設定每年每年都有這個市售比的一個這個達到的一個這個目標你們的標準是什麼\n\n25\n00:09:19,950 --> 00:09:45,633\n目前的標準大概就是說各有分年目標但是整體的部分就是說希望到2040那這個市售比新車的部分全部都是電動好這個我提醒市長跟部長2040是設一個遠程的沒錯但你要達到這個遠程你必須每一年的分年短期的跟中期的你也要有一定的目標你如果過程沒有那個結果是達不到的好不好\n\n26\n00:09:45,993 --> 00:09:46,133\n王育敏委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9056\t11758\t謝謝主席,我們是有請薛部長請薛部長\n15366\t44786\t王育敏好部長好部長本期想請教你對於這個新任的環境部部長人選彭啟明先生他是氣象達人那你認為以他的這個專業度來擔任環境部的部長他各方面條件是不是最適合的人選還是有比他更適合的人選因為之前傳出來其實不是他包括張皇珍可能是女性或者是其他人就是可能是真的環工背景出身的\n46147\t70665\t這個王委員對於這個彭準部長的看法我尊重啦但是以我個人的這個看法我覺得他很有這個專業這個特別是在大氣氣象空氣污染跟國際合作那當然其他領域或許有一些他沒有涉獵他也可以透過他其他的產業的經驗以及\n73227\t96529\t未來跟我們的部內的主管同仁去慢慢去學習你認為他的專業有沒有超越你在環境相關的專業上面他有沒有超越你因為我們是希望說部長愈換愈專業愈好嘛你認為他們有他的專業是氣象專業我知道啦但是因為目前中央氣象署是隸屬在交通部啦\n98100\t112971\t但是環境部我們譬如說監測資訊師、我們大氣師事實上也都跟氣象署合作的關係非常密切已經很長久的時間譬如說像今年23月份我們跟NASA好好好\n114232\t128253\t這個話題我想到此或許部長你也不適宜再對新部長有一些評論不過本席是希望說要帶領環境部環境部其實各部門大家其實都是專業比較不是政治的考量\n128753\t150651\t所以當然希望這個部長是要專業取勝不是說只要跟準總統關係比較親近他就可以擔任這個位置這個是我們期待的那我當然也謝謝部長這個您是專業出身大家對你其實也有期待8個月可能其實覺得太短了一點這個應該是讓你如果有更多的時間可以把你的相關的專業跟長才發揮得更淋漓盡致才對那進到今天的這個主題\n156736\t172547\t部長你是台中出來的你在台中的時候你有沒有這個半夜睡覺的時候被這個惱人的機車、汽車噪音吵醒過有有對不對對對正好住在大馬路旁邊很惱人對不對是所以的確是所以我們認同這個要取締是這個是民怨之首但是要取締我們就要來看怎麼有效的取締事實上這個噪音案件已經飆增56%那你如果都是要靠環境監\n186596\t207191\t要動用基層的環保局的人警察人員三更半夜10點到凌晨6點在那邊站崗這個叫做勞師動作真的是累死人了這個恐怕機察人員也做不久就會過勞了所以本席覺得最有效的方式應該我們透過科技執法\n207831\t234236\t認同這科技執法就是透過這個照相跟聲音的部分就可以直接取締開發那這個是最有效的但是這個圖表這個部長我希望這個您在離任之前這件事情你要全力支持這一個科技執法可以提升執法的量能也可以減少人力但是目前全國的設備全國210套固定109套移動101套\n236997\t253443\t真的太少了你看看單是臺中市臺中市的人口即將邁入285萬比臺北市要多但是目前我看到一個是少一個是分布不均你光看六都的分配臺中市13部\n253643\t254103\t王育敏議員\n273783\t300880\t老師說我不知道標準在哪裡給王委員報告因為剛開始才210部的確有一點分配不均那我會責成環境部我們同仁再來檢討但是更重要是說既然大家假如認同科技執法是最有效而且不會勞師動眾那我們也很期待委員能夠將來幫忙環境部我一定大力支持但是你們編太少\n302421\t311887\t我現在要告訴部長的就是說你現在114年的預算1.9億才要96步分配到二十幾個限制306步啦你是要增設96還是306?306到明年底因為你們的語意有點不清楚\n318772\t346666\t本來是112到116編了1.9億要買306那我們現在把它時間縮短到114提早兩年明年就可以增加306是增加306步是是 那就會把這個數目盡量把它那我問你臺中市政府有新聞給你們他要50步你們在未來明年的這306步他們想要的數量這樣達得到嗎\n347826\t367393\t我想我們同仁他們應該有一些計算公式不過我想這個王委員這一點我們將來特別留意好不好我希望的就是說我今天也不是只是幫台中市爭取是這一個問題很惱人我去年也擔任副市長您也是台中出身那台中問題很嚴重我知道像桃園其實也很嚴重\n368733\t389600\t新北京很嚴重大家都很嚴重那現在既然環境部要編組我希望你們要聽見地方的聲音地方需要的量我們就一次應該把它編組因為明年的預算還沒有要審那如果你現在部裡面編的還不夠其實環境部各樣的預算很多針對民怨之首我覺得環境部如果用力的去做大家會很有感\n390040\t410459\t而且會很感謝部長您這個雖然上任不到一年但是如果這個是您可以回去好好督導環境部在520之前讓大家把這個預算編足也讓各地方政府感受到說這個中央環境部很重視大家也不要讓我們的地方的這些環保局的人員過老的話我覺得這是一個很大的政績\n411980\t433016\t好不好,我們全力來支持,那你要督促部內把這件事情做好好,謝謝那另外一個就是我們的那個燃油機車數量居高不下的問題這個空污我們機動的污染源這個管制在這個燃油機車這個就佔一個非常大的比例那你看這個圖表\n433917\t440701\t我們每一年我們的燃油機車數量還在成長已經來到1384萬那雖然我們的電動機車有在成長那成長的幅度坦白講並不算太高那所以在這個部分今天交通部也有來這個交通部我們的林司長林福山司長我覺得這件事情也不是只有這個環境部的責任因為這個主管\n459993\t481140\t主管這個燃油機車這個其實是交通部那怎麼樣是不是交通部認證資源也很多啊跟環境部討論用一個更有效的這個政策我們來有效的引導讓電動機車的增加是有效去汰換燃油機車而不是兩個數字都增加目前我看起來這個就是民眾好像\n482721\t482761\t韓國瑜委員會議\n511898\t532727\t願意去換電動機車的比例再更提高不要再繼續購買燃油車這個交通部有沒有什麼想法?這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說運氣電動化裡面剛剛提到包括電動大客車包括電動對 這部分做得很好包括電動機車我覺得公車做得很好但機車做得不好對 那現在就是說在2040\n534088\t558789\t那這個電動小客車跟電動機車我們原則上就是希望達到市售比百分之百的部分那目前是在這個過程當中那剛剛委員所提到的部分的話就是針對這個電動小客車還有電動機車的部分的話目前交通部跟經濟部還有環保署我們三個部會會通力來這個合作那目前是設定每年每年都有這個市售比的一個這個達到的一個這個目標你們的標準是什麼\n559950\t585633\t目前的標準大概就是說各有分年目標但是整體的部分就是說希望到2040那這個市售比新車的部分全部都是電動好 這個我提醒市長跟部長2040是設一個遠程的沒錯但你要達到這個遠程你必須每一年的分年短期的跟中期的你也要有一定的目標你如果過程沒有那個結果是達不到的好不好\n585993\t586133\t王育敏委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我們是有請薛部長請薛部長\n王育敏好部長好部長本期想請教你對於這個新任的環境部部長人選彭啟明先生他是氣象達人那你認為以他的這個專業度來擔任環境部的部長他各方面條件是不是最適合的人選還是有比他更適合的人選因為之前傳出來其實不是他包括張皇珍可能是女性或者是其他人就是可能是真的環工背景出身的\n這個王委員對於這個彭準部長的看法我尊重啦但是以我個人的這個看法我覺得他很有這個專業這個特別是在大氣氣象空氣污染跟國際合作那當然其他領域或許有一些他沒有涉獵他也可以透過他其他的產業的經驗以及\n未來跟我們的部內的主管同仁去慢慢去學習你認為他的專業有沒有超越你在環境相關的專業上面他有沒有超越你因為我們是希望說部長愈換愈專業愈好嘛你認為他們有他的專業是氣象專業我知道啦但是因為目前中央氣象署是隸屬在交通部啦\n但是環境部我們譬如說監測資訊師、我們大氣師事實上也都跟氣象署合作的關係非常密切已經很長久的時間譬如說像今年23月份我們跟NASA好好好\n這個話題我想到此或許部長你也不適宜再對新部長有一些評論不過本席是希望說要帶領環境部環境部其實各部門大家其實都是專業比較不是政治的考量\n所以當然希望這個部長是要專業取勝不是說只要跟準總統關係比較親近他就可以擔任這個位置這個是我們期待的那我當然也謝謝部長這個您是專業出身大家對你其實也有期待8個月可能其實覺得太短了一點這個應該是讓你如果有更多的時間可以把你的相關的專業跟長才發揮得更淋漓盡致才對那進到今天的這個主題\n部長你是台中出來的你在台中的時候你有沒有這個半夜睡覺的時候被這個惱人的機車、汽車噪音吵醒過有有對不對對對正好住在大馬路旁邊很惱人對不對是所以的確是所以我們認同這個要取締是這個是民怨之首但是要取締我們就要來看怎麼有效的取締事實上這個噪音案件已經飆增56%那你如果都是要靠環境監\n要動用基層的環保局的人警察人員三更半夜10點到凌晨6點在那邊站崗這個叫做勞師動作真的是累死人了這個恐怕機察人員也做不久就會過勞了所以本席覺得最有效的方式應該我們透過科技執法\n認同這科技執法就是透過這個照相跟聲音的部分就可以直接取締開發那這個是最有效的但是這個圖表這個部長我希望這個您在離任之前這件事情你要全力支持這一個科技執法可以提升執法的量能也可以減少人力但是目前全國的設備全國210套固定109套移動101套\n真的太少了你看看單是臺中市臺中市的人口即將邁入285萬比臺北市要多但是目前我看到一個是少一個是分布不均你光看六都的分配臺中市13部\n王育敏議員\n老師說我不知道標準在哪裡給王委員報告因為剛開始才210部的確有一點分配不均那我會責成環境部我們同仁再來檢討但是更重要是說既然大家假如認同科技執法是最有效而且不會勞師動眾那我們也很期待委員能夠將來幫忙環境部我一定大力支持但是你們編太少\n我現在要告訴部長的就是說你現在114年的預算1.9億才要96步分配到二十幾個限制306步啦你是要增設96還是306?306到明年底因為你們的語意有點不清楚\n本來是112到116編了1.9億要買306那我們現在把它時間縮短到114提早兩年明年就可以增加306是增加306步是是 那就會把這個數目盡量把它那我問你臺中市政府有新聞給你們他要50步你們在未來明年的這306步他們想要的數量這樣達得到嗎\n我想我們同仁他們應該有一些計算公式不過我想這個王委員這一點我們將來特別留意好不好我希望的就是說我今天也不是只是幫台中市爭取是這一個問題很惱人我去年也擔任副市長您也是台中出身那台中問題很嚴重我知道像桃園其實也很嚴重\n新北京很嚴重大家都很嚴重那現在既然環境部要編組我希望你們要聽見地方的聲音地方需要的量我們就一次應該把它編組因為明年的預算還沒有要審那如果你現在部裡面編的還不夠其實環境部各樣的預算很多針對民怨之首我覺得環境部如果用力的去做大家會很有感\n而且會很感謝部長您這個雖然上任不到一年但是如果這個是您可以回去好好督導環境部在520之前讓大家把這個預算編足也讓各地方政府感受到說這個中央環境部很重視大家也不要讓我們的地方的這些環保局的人員過老的話我覺得這是一個很大的政績\n好不好,我們全力來支持,那你要督促部內把這件事情做好好,謝謝那另外一個就是我們的那個燃油機車數量居高不下的問題這個空污我們機動的污染源這個管制在這個燃油機車這個就佔一個非常大的比例那你看這個圖表\n我們每一年我們的燃油機車數量還在成長已經來到1384萬那雖然我們的電動機車有在成長那成長的幅度坦白講並不算太高那所以在這個部分今天交通部也有來這個交通部我們的林司長林福山司長我覺得這件事情也不是只有這個環境部的責任因為這個主管\n主管這個燃油機車這個其實是交通部那怎麼樣是不是交通部認證資源也很多啊跟環境部討論用一個更有效的這個政策我們來有效的引導讓電動機車的增加是有效去汰換燃油機車而不是兩個數字都增加目前我看起來這個就是民眾好像\n韓國瑜委員會議\n願意去換電動機車的比例再更提高不要再繼續購買燃油車這個交通部有沒有什麼想法?這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說運氣電動化裡面剛剛提到包括電動大客車包括電動對 這部分做得很好包括電動機車我覺得公車做得很好但機車做得不好對 那現在就是說在2040\n那這個電動小客車跟電動機車我們原則上就是希望達到市售比百分之百的部分那目前是在這個過程當中那剛剛委員所提到的部分的話就是針對這個電動小客車還有電動機車的部分的話目前交通部跟經濟部還有環保署我們三個部會會通力來這個合作那目前是設定每年每年都有這個市售比的一個這個達到的一個這個目標你們的標準是什麼\n目前的標準大概就是說各有分年目標但是整體的部分就是說希望到2040那這個市售比新車的部分全部都是電動好 這個我提醒市長跟部長2040是設一個遠程的沒錯但你要達到這個遠程你必須每一年的分年短期的跟中期的你也要有一定的目標你如果過程沒有那個結果是達不到的好不好\n王育敏委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.056 --> 00:11.758\n謝謝主席,我們是有請薛部長請薛部長\n\n00:15.366 --> 00:44.786\n王育敏好部長好部長本期想請教你對於這個新任的環境部部長人選彭啟明先生他是氣象達人那你認為以他的這個專業度來擔任環境部的部長他各方面條件是不是最適合的人選還是有比他更適合的人選因為之前傳出來其實不是他包括張皇珍可能是女性或者是其他人就是可能是真的環工背景出身的\n\n00:46.147 --> 01:10.665\n這個王委員對於這個彭準部長的看法我尊重啦但是以我個人的這個看法我覺得他很有這個專業這個特別是在大氣氣象空氣污染跟國際合作那當然其他領域或許有一些他沒有涉獵他也可以透過他其他的產業的經驗以及\n\n01:13.227 --> 01:36.529\n未來跟我們的部內的主管同仁去慢慢去學習你認為他的專業有沒有超越你在環境相關的專業上面他有沒有超越你因為我們是希望說部長愈換愈專業愈好嘛你認為他們有他的專業是氣象專業我知道啦但是因為目前中央氣象署是隸屬在交通部啦\n\n01:38.100 --> 01:52.971\n但是環境部我們譬如說監測資訊師、我們大氣師事實上也都跟氣象署合作的關係非常密切已經很長久的時間譬如說像今年23月份我們跟NASA好好好\n\n01:54.232 --> 02:08.253\n這個話題我想到此或許部長你也不適宜再對新部長有一些評論不過本席是希望說要帶領環境部環境部其實各部門大家其實都是專業比較不是政治的考量\n\n02:08.753 --> 02:30.651\n所以當然希望這個部長是要專業取勝不是說只要跟準總統關係比較親近他就可以擔任這個位置這個是我們期待的那我當然也謝謝部長這個您是專業出身大家對你其實也有期待8個月可能其實覺得太短了一點這個應該是讓你如果有更多的時間可以把你的相關的專業跟長才發揮得更淋漓盡致才對那進到今天的這個主題\n\n02:36.736 --> 02:52.547\n部長你是台中出來的你在台中的時候你有沒有這個半夜睡覺的時候被這個惱人的機車、汽車噪音吵醒過有有對不對對對正好住在大馬路旁邊很惱人對不對是所以的確是所以我們認同這個要取締是這個是民怨之首但是要取締我們就要來看怎麼有效的取締事實上這個噪音案件已經飆增56%那你如果都是要靠環境監\n\n03:06.596 --> 03:27.191\n要動用基層的環保局的人警察人員三更半夜10點到凌晨6點在那邊站崗這個叫做勞師動作真的是累死人了這個恐怕機察人員也做不久就會過勞了所以本席覺得最有效的方式應該我們透過科技執法\n\n03:27.831 --> 03:54.236\n認同這科技執法就是透過這個照相跟聲音的部分就可以直接取締開發那這個是最有效的但是這個圖表這個部長我希望這個您在離任之前這件事情你要全力支持這一個科技執法可以提升執法的量能也可以減少人力但是目前全國的設備全國210套固定109套移動101套\n\n03:56.997 --> 04:13.443\n真的太少了你看看單是臺中市臺中市的人口即將邁入285萬比臺北市要多但是目前我看到一個是少一個是分布不均你光看六都的分配臺中市13部\n\n04:13.643 --> 04:14.103\n王育敏議員\n\n04:33.783 --> 05:00.880\n老師說我不知道標準在哪裡給王委員報告因為剛開始才210部的確有一點分配不均那我會責成環境部我們同仁再來檢討但是更重要是說既然大家假如認同科技執法是最有效而且不會勞師動眾那我們也很期待委員能夠將來幫忙環境部我一定大力支持但是你們編太少\n\n05:02.421 --> 05:11.887\n我現在要告訴部長的就是說你現在114年的預算1.9億才要96步分配到二十幾個限制306步啦你是要增設96還是306?306到明年底因為你們的語意有點不清楚\n\n05:18.772 --> 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