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00:00:31,938\n委員對主委其實我們整個運營會都要積極而且要讓人民有感知道說我們有個獨立調查的機關是為國人的海陸空各項的安全現在剛剛許委員還講到未來還要發展太空產業那我們對相關的這個運輸的安全要讓人民有感覺到我們運營會是一個專業\n\n3\n00:00:57,338 --> 00:01:11,905\n以後安全的改善建議而且最重要是後面這句喔協助各機關完成分項的執行計畫就是運用你們的專業給建議給各部會應該要改善什麼\n\n4\n00:01:14,847 --> 00:01:34,722\n這第一個第二個人民會有感的是什麼你們還必須要強化安全趨勢跟預防性的安全研究技術就如同剛剛有委員提到的我們現在海陸空碰到的這些各式各樣的交通運具的這個模式那還有可能可能\n\n5\n00:01:36,022 --> 00:01:57,711\n會發生的事故的模式我們又如何去因應那我們才會相信說運安會是真正夠專業而且是能夠提供國人安全給各部會的一個有理而且合理而且做得到的一個建議啦所以我用這樣子來開始講是因為呢你是要做不好的\n\n6\n00:01:59,231 --> 00:02:16,260\n臺中捷運在你的報告裡面有提到運安會呢告訴我們在去年的11月30號提出終結事故那時候是事實調查因為呢去年的5月10號發生的你光是一個事實調查從5月10號發生到11月30號來\n\n7\n00:02:20,382 --> 00:02:41,052\n我去年11月要求你們運安會才說要加速調查報告提出的時程所以好了我們去年11月17號公布所謂的事實資料收集及報告撰寫然後你告訴我說今年的5月會提早來公布正式的報告\n\n8\n00:02:42,984 --> 00:03:07,577\n我就問一下主委那今年5月我可以期待可以如期看到這個正式調查報告嗎?不過委員我們事實上調查報告的草案已經在4月份完成了那接下來要依程序齁要給被調查單位有30天的回覆的時間然後接下來就進入委員會審查30天的回覆時間所以5月到底能不能如期?應該來得及還是可以再提早公佈?\n\n9\n00:03:09,349 --> 00:03:34,529\n我們的調查報告確實是完成了那如果各單位的回返懸殊的意見如果比較單純的話那你們去要求啊你的報告啊整個調查報告啊這個時程是多久一年多欸我跟你講喔監察院已經在今年4月15號公告糾正有關台中捷運的這件事情的一個案文及調查報告\n\n10\n00:03:35,709 --> 00:04:03,781\n檢察院已經出來了,調查報告出來了,你有看到嗎?主委?檢察院對台中捷運這件事的調查報告你有看到了嗎?你知道嗎?我知道你知道嗎?那你看到了嘛,對不對?那,檢察院在比你們短的時間裡面已經告訴我們因為呢,治安署有治安署的責任,台中市政府有台中市政府的責任然後呢,台中捷運公司有台中捷運公司不對的地方\n\n11\n00:04:04,861 --> 00:04:17,300\n那事故列車的隨車員也有他沒有盡力的地方那他都把你拔書出來了監察院的終結的事故報告你看到了你覺得跟你們的方向有沒有一樣\n\n12\n00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:44,889\n事實上監察的報告跟我們的方向大概是一致的大概一致的吧那監察院已經出來了你們為什麼還要再等到今年5月而且呢歷時一年多因為我們的報告還要經過行政程序好那我請問一下行政程序那行政程序就是行政效率啊行政效率難道不可以好一點嗎所以所以我們會接下來會跟這個就是人民隊我們運安會是不是關了\n\n13\n00:04:46,709 --> 00:05:01,455\n大家有好大的疑問為什麼一個正式調查報告拖那麼久那我就問你啦你說這個監察院的這個終結事故的報告跟你們方向一致那請問一下那5月我可以期待令蘭會提出來的報告還有其他檢討的重點嗎我們可以協調可以把委員會加開委員會的處理\n\n14\n00:05:07,984 --> 00:05:34,086\n加卡委員會的處理對我們委員會是一個月一次那麼各單位陳書健我們可以電話寫來請他趕快報過來是嘛這個就是行政效率嘛沒問題啊這個時程為什麼要一拖再拖呢是對不對監察院的報告出來了那我再問你一次那你說監察院的報告跟你的方向差不多一樣那我可以期待5月份你提出來的這個正式的調查報告還有其他什麼重點嗎\n\n15\n00:05:36,615 --> 00:06:05,002\n我們的會比較detail因為資產署的報告當時我們還要做一些...你們會比較detail我可以理解因為你們花了那麼久的時間在收集資料在寫所謂的爬書當時候發生的事實跟事後的一些細節這個我可以理解那我的意思是說那你建議該改進該檢討除了監察院剛剛我們已經4月15號看到的報告以外你們還有其他的重點嗎\n\n16\n00:06:05,862 --> 00:06:12,024\n主委我為什麼對運安會說真的我沒有信心為什麼來我們2022清水隧道事件的報告書也是你們運安會調查的也是你們提出正式的報告的你們有建議要裝義務入侵偵測系統跟隧道防護系統\n\n17\n00:06:33,939 --> 00:06:43,303\n剛剛許委員有提到你們建議的照你剛剛回答的意思是說台鐵現在正在做但是你知道這一次4月3號花蓮地震花蓮地震那個鐵道上還是有一顆落石落下來大家都不知道為什麼大家都不知道為什麼\n\n18\n00:06:55,205 --> 00:07:12,911\n所以我們的建議有沒有有沒有到位這第一個第二個台鐵他現在本於他的安全跟專業到底有沒有能力去把整個你們的建議落實你們有再繼續督導嗎\n\n19\n00:07:15,051 --> 00:07:22,975\n有台鐵的那個有關軌道入侵的偵測設備我們還是在督導他可是他沒有辦法偵測到這一次花蓮地震那顆落石落下來啊連文工財部長自己也承認啊他們現在設計的系統監測系統並沒有辦法預知這落下來的那顆石頭啊那你們的建議是什麼還可以再怎麼改進\n\n20\n00:07:37,281 --> 00:07:54,616\n你剛剛回答其他委員是說我們可以監測到義務入侵而且要等到撞到了我們才可以讓他列車停死那我們難道我們對安全的現代化的最新的科技沒有辦法在落實碰到落實之前就偵測到就讓列車停死嗎沒辦法嗎所以表示之前沒有這樣建議嗎\n\n21\n00:08:05,728 --> 00:08:33,403\n那不是很離譜嗎有建議但是他動作他比較慢台鐵因為他還要他說他還要編預算還要什麼這個我當然知道啊問題是我跟你講主委你再回去看你們的調查報告你認認真真的書面報告給我你真的像4月3號花蓮地震那一顆落石落到軌道上如果你有提出建議說希望在碰到異物之前偵測到就要停止\n\n22\n00:08:38,326 --> 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