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保險資金自然就沒有去處！"],["郭委員國文：我知道，我就是知道沒有去處，也怕它一下回來。所以我不是贊同提案，而是建議採漸進式，打開案源的可能性，突破公部門自我設定的可能性，以及推廣BOT的新的可能性。這三管要齊下，主委、部長，麻煩4月29日開會時好好深思討論一下，好不好？"],["莊部長翠雲：是，謝謝。"],["黃主任委員天牧：我們會積極去表達這個想法，謝謝委員。"],["主席：接著請李坤城李委員質詢。等一下李彥秀委員質詢完就休息一下。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":122,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-20-10","speakers":["羅明才","王世堅","徐富癸","王鴻薇","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","李坤城","李彥秀","顏寬恒","賴惠員","黃珊珊","陳玉珍","楊瓊瓔","洪孟楷","黃國昌","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:48,971\n因為一般而言20以上的企業我們會編列這個永續報告書但是目前為止有一些甚至我們台灣的這個勞動基金運用局都說你20以下的沒有永續發展報告書他就會不購買他未來的一個投資的對象成為他投資的對象\n\n9\n00:02:49,511 --> 00:03:12,589\n可是21以下的他沒有需要處理這個永續發展報告書的情況底下有沒有可能有一個ESG的信用評比這個部分我已經有要求經濟部而經濟部目前也在建構當中預計最近之內會上網如果他上網的情況底下我們是不是可以由經濟部做一個他公佈的標準舉凡影響生態舉凡影響機油的生產\n\n10\n00:03:15,352 --> 00:03:27,735\n舉凡影響人民的一個生活所導致的這種結果你可以來要求這些販款單位這些壽星的單位來要求他來說明或者是停播或者說回款項有沒有可能\n\n11\n00:03:28,574 --> 00:03:54,585\n委員您提的這個非常好也就是說對ESG這個部分要怎麼樣落實要一個評比的一個標準對不對要一個大家一個共同認同的標準我覺得也許可以朝這個方向大家來努力是你們研究一下好不好就是說現在經濟部已經有建立一個標準出來而且是定期的公佈公開的一個平台就依照這個公開的平台或者呢有一個違反刑犯計畫的一個事實違反ESG的精神的時候你們應該進行後面的這個代後管理的處理啊可以嗎\n\n12\n00:03:59,088 --> 00:04:20,649\n為什麼邀請公共銀行?公共銀行已經有成立一個大聯盟了,你要做一個示範啊!對,我們已經有一個倡議平台,是。好,謝謝委員指教。這個部分之外,我就叫你剛剛回答有關於蕭大使回來致用的酒高達23瓶輸5公升,你是說5公升以上要課稅嘛對不對?\n\n13\n00:04:22,630 --> 00:04:39,824\n稅是1公升以上都要課稅?對,1公升以上都要課稅,然後1到5公升要課稅嘛好,那出現一個問題本期之前有就教於稅務署的部分也就是說我們免稅的金額從去年5月的時候我就質詢了就是總共才2萬元已經高達\n\n14\n00:04:41,986 --> 00:04:42,166\n議員王世堅等\n\n15\n00:04:58,575 --> 00:04:58,595\n蘇貞昌議員\n\n16\n00:05:29,655 --> 00:05:46,040\n但是酒的部分我們現在討論酒的部分現在一瓶在計算在免稅額裡頭嘛一公升免稅額但是通常那一瓶啦因為一清酒的為例的話大概720ml大概應該挺多戴一瓶而已啦你戴第二瓶你就要瞌睡了嘛不是嗎\n\n17\n00:05:46,900 --> 00:06:12,498\n所以現在就有民眾來跟我反映說他們每次出國都只能帶一瓶回來那通常不是菸、酒、藥品都會有受限嘛但是酒的部分通常是拿來做送禮的他想要自用這個送禮至少可以加個一瓶嘛這比較合理更何況你現在從兩萬五變成三萬五啦他可不可以有多買的空間有沒有可能隨之調整的可能署長\n\n18\n00:06:14,140 --> 00:06:24,071\n報告委員,這一部分一公升的部分已經行之多年了那如果要調升的話我們要再跟國庫署這邊再研議一下國庫署要講一下\n\n19\n00:06:31,947 --> 00:06:59,723\n其實酒類的部分我們先前規定都是一瓶那未來如果要做調整還是要再研議你們內部研議一下啦一個月給本席答覆一下好不好能夠隨之這個3萬5的這個部分來公布這個利多更好啦我只是要求加一瓶而已自用送你兩箱你加起來就兩瓶而已嘛不是嗎好不好我看羅昭偉很同意我的看法的樣子一直在笑\n\n20\n00:07:01,004 --> 00:07:06,318\n但是我接下來我想請教一下那兩位署長請回部長稍後一下我先請黃主委時間請暫停黃主委\n\n21\n00:07:13,935 --> 00:07:39,164\n主委好主委主委因為你最近對於本土的授權業有進行一些監理寬容那我發現這個監理寬容有連鎖效應原本大家擔心的IFR17原來好像是大魔王那現在感覺上好像有種大放送的感覺為什麼我發現IFR4到現在為止有提出一個我們有關於責任準備金的部分\n\n22\n00:07:40,184 --> 00:08:05,700\n這責任準備金的部分針對利率的部分跟對照於IFR17的部分已經變成有盈餘了開始有盈餘的現象然後之前是說缺口有900億然後業者就開始說是不是把這個盈餘可以動用到連同變成是說可以移軟到這個外匯準備金的頭頭上去但是外匯準備金上次我就交於署長的部分\n\n23\n00:08:06,661 --> 00:08:28,790\n徐長恩跟我講說這個將來上限沒有調高可是我算一算上限雖然沒有調高可是你還是有一定的一個空間以國外投資的話佔將近七成嘛當然海外投資跟國際版上限的話大概65.25但是這個部分目前投資的金額大概18.35兆也就是大概大約是有57.5\n\n24\n00:08:30,271 --> 00:08:48,119\n那我距離上限的算一算都2.46兆雖然你上限沒有調高阿局長說上限沒有調高可是他會不會因此而造成這個資金的乾坤大挪移以至於呢我們這個保險基金呢跑到海外的比例會更加提高有沒有可能這個可能性\n\n25\n00:08:48,952 --> 00:09:13,357\n應該不會有這個問題,是不是請局長來說明?局長,這一點是本席擔心的啦。跟委員報告,應該不會,因為我們海外投資的上限是法令明定的。那現在主要是避險的部分,避險它有避險成本。那外匯價格準備金的這個主要是在那個平穩那個避險成本過高的問題,只有這個功能。\n\n26\n00:09:13,917 --> 00:09:37,299\n只有這個功能?所以移過去之後不會造成他們這個資金更加的嚴重?不會,它那個是因為現在是lock-in的,將來2026是以現實利率,因為現在利率高,所以會有保駕差額準備金,就折準今天保駕金的差額。保駕差額準備金就可以做,我10月12號研討會有報告,現在保險局也在跟公會討論,這部分可以做一些彈性運用。\n\n27\n00:09:37,839 --> 00:10:06,011\n對真人片有限時的利率嘛那個IFOS是一個比較相對固定利率嘛對不對所以說會造成所謂的盈餘嘛而且盈餘就是有一個差額啦有差額啦而且要看我們去訂定那個保駕金是用竹單還是群組我們都用比較彈性的方式讓業者可以產生一些差額又不影響保護權益啦當然不影響保護權益啦那不是說挪用是說可以做彈性運用\n\n28\n00:10:06,331 --> 00:10:24,649\n所以部分致應到外匯價格變動準備金因為時間上的關係我再佔用一點點時間因為我同意你剛剛回答委員的說法確實上是沒有案源的問題的我也認同你2016的時候第三行下的時候那個做法但是我在上一次的質詢的時候有要求4月29號的時候\n\n29\n00:10:26,030 --> 00:10:41,327\n就是說國發會要召開一個平台會議這個平台會議的時候能不能大力建議一下因為多半的啊這個公部門啊都想要當業主啊都想要用預算編列的方式根本不想要用授選機制嘛\n\n30\n00:10:42,808 --> 00:10:58,331\n多半還有包括我們部長我必須要停留在這邊因為我們在公債發行的時候我們公債發行的利率都非常的低嘛有沒有可能承擔一定的風險讓這些資金引進回來做一個彈性上的處理部長的角色很重要主委的角色很重要\n\n31\n00:10:58,792 --> 00:11:17,100\n希望把這個部分資金才可能回送回來台灣嘛否則的話那個昭偉他的說法他也是用心良苦45%要降到25%這個方法是很直接了當但是呢會產生一定的後遺症啦我認為是如此啦但是要漸進式的讓這個資金回來確實要有一些行政的作為啦\n\n32\n00:11:18,188 --> 00:11:34,039\n主委有阿其實以前財政部兔三四也很幫忙啦兔三四很幫忙沒有錯問題是內政部不幫忙阿其他的部會不幫忙阿其實您說的重點啦大家都想跟預算做業主那當然自然保險資金就沒有去處阿\n\n33\n00:11:35,345 --> 00:11:37,727\n主委跟部長,麻煩4月29號好好慎思討論一下好不好?我們會繼續表達這個想法,謝謝委員\n\n34\n00:12:05,287 --> 00:12:07,423\n接著請李坤澄、李維文質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1110\t18341\t莊部長你好莊部長今天是地球日那我想能源政策的關係我們目前積極的在推動一些能源發展那推動能源發展的過程當中我發現這業者為了這個KPI但是比較缺乏有一些自律的情況\n20083\t35556\t結果早就怎麼樣呢?造成有些是假養殖增重店的漁電共生的政策也有造成跟新辦計畫不符變成有一些非法的掩埋物等等\n36337\t60395\t但是呢我們對於這些綠能政策的放款是非常的大方啊就我知道理解的部分就台銀本身到2023年年底受信的金額是高達4563億因為這是國家政策嘛就你所了解的我們目前八大公共行戶當中啊授予這些融資的這個貸款金額到底多少為什麼\n61115\t83736\t因為ESG大聯盟是從我們國公營這邊開始嘛 對不對我們希望從金融業然後呢慢慢的去影響到我們放款的對象讓其他的這個行業也能夠達到這個ESG的一個落實可是在此同時呢我們目前發現了我們放款的對象當中呢有些人環境永續跟社會責任反而是衝突的\n85321\t95935\t一邊呢你要追求環境永續你要推動這個綠能產業但是呢同時呢他在推動的過程當中卻違背社會責任這時候要怎麼處理金額有多少那你們怎麼處理\n97288\t105134\t跟委員報告我們供股金融事業在投資在綠電還有再生能源產業的部分總共有400多件然後有2500億至於在光電的部分壽信戶數大概有800多戶然後有456億這樣的一個金額當然在我們的不管是供股行戶在放貸的時候當然要審核相關的一個他們申請貸款的一些資料\n125269\t148974\t重點不是在審核的過程﹖而且當然要審核而審核完了以後至於他貸放給他以後當然貸貸管理就很重要貸貸管理第一個資金的我們貸款他給他資金的流向以及他的用途是不是符合當時他來身貸當時的一個用途我覺得這個部分是非常重要的這個流程本席也清楚了部長謝謝你再一次說明但是我說倘若發生這件事情的時候目前有什麼機制\n150334\t168971\t因為一般而言20以上的企業我們會編列這個永續報告書但是目前為止有一些甚至我們台灣的這個勞動基金運用局都說你20以下的沒有永續發展報告書他就會不購買他未來的一個投資的對象成為他投資的對象\n169511\t192589\t可是21以下的他沒有需要處理這個永續發展報告書的情況底下有沒有可能有一個ESG的信用評比這個部分我已經有要求經濟部而經濟部目前也在建構當中預計最近之內會上網如果他上網的情況底下我們是不是可以由經濟部做一個他公佈的標準舉凡影響生態舉凡影響機油的生產\n195352\t207735\t舉凡影響人民的一個生活所導致的這種結果你可以來要求這些販款單位這些壽星的單位來要求他來說明或者是停播或者說回款項有沒有可能\n208574\t234585\t委員您提的這個非常好也就是說對ESG這個部分要怎麼樣落實要一個評比的一個標準對不對要一個大家一個共同認同的標準我覺得也許可以朝這個方向大家來努力是你們研究一下好不好就是說現在經濟部已經有建立一個標準出來而且是定期的公佈公開的一個平台就依照這個公開的平台或者呢有一個違反刑犯計畫的一個事實違反ESG的精神的時候你們應該進行後面的這個代後管理的處理啊可以嗎\n239088\t260649\t為什麼邀請公共銀行?公共銀行已經有成立一個大聯盟了,你要做一個示範啊!對,我們已經有一個倡議平台,是。好,謝謝委員指教。這個部分之外,我就叫你剛剛回答有關於蕭大使回來致用的酒高達23瓶輸5公升,你是說5公升以上要課稅嘛對不對?\n262630\t279824\t稅是1公升以上都要課稅?對,1公升以上都要課稅,然後1到5公升要課稅嘛好,那出現一個問題本期之前有就教於稅務署的部分也就是說我們免稅的金額從去年5月的時候我就質詢了就是總共才2萬元已經高達\n281986\t282166\t議員王世堅等\n298575\t298595\t蘇貞昌議員\n329655\t346040\t但是酒的部分我們現在討論酒的部分現在一瓶在計算在免稅額裡頭嘛一公升免稅額但是通常那一瓶啦因為一清酒的為例的話大概720ml大概應該挺多戴一瓶而已啦你戴第二瓶你就要瞌睡了嘛不是嗎\n346900\t372498\t所以現在就有民眾來跟我反映說他們每次出國都只能帶一瓶回來那通常不是菸、酒、藥品都會有受限嘛但是酒的部分通常是拿來做送禮的他想要自用這個送禮至少可以加個一瓶嘛這比較合理更何況你現在從兩萬五變成三萬五啦他可不可以有多買的空間有沒有可能隨之調整的可能署長\n374140\t384071\t報告委員,這一部分一公升的部分已經行之多年了那如果要調升的話我們要再跟國庫署這邊再研議一下國庫署要講一下\n391947\t419723\t其實酒類的部分我們先前規定都是一瓶那未來如果要做調整還是要再研議你們內部研議一下啦一個月給本席答覆一下好不好能夠隨之這個3萬5的這個部分來公布這個利多更好啦我只是要求加一瓶而已自用送你兩箱你加起來就兩瓶而已嘛不是嗎好不好我看羅昭偉很同意我的看法的樣子一直在笑\n421004\t426318\t但是我接下來我想請教一下那兩位署長請回部長稍後一下我先請黃主委時間請暫停黃主委\n433935\t459164\t主委好主委主委因為你最近對於本土的授權業有進行一些監理寬容那我發現這個監理寬容有連鎖效應原本大家擔心的IFR 17原來好像是大魔王那現在感覺上好像有種大放送的感覺為什麼我發現IFR 4到現在為止有提出一個我們有關於責任準備金的部分\n460184\t485700\t這責任準備金的部分針對利率的部分跟對照於IFR 17的部分已經變成有盈餘了開始有盈餘的現象然後之前是說缺口有900億然後業者就開始說是不是把這個盈餘可以動用到連同變成是說可以移軟到這個外匯準備金的頭頭上去但是外匯準備金上次我就交於署長的部分\n486661\t508790\t徐長恩跟我講說這個將來上限沒有調高可是我算一算上限雖然沒有調高可是你還是有一定的一個空間以國外投資的話佔將近七成嘛當然海外投資跟國際版上限的話大概65.25但是這個部分目前投資的金額大概18.35兆也就是大概大約是有57.5\n510271\t528119\t那我距離上限的算一算都2.46兆雖然你上限沒有調高阿局長說上限沒有調高可是他會不會因此而造成這個資金的乾坤大挪移以至於呢我們這個保險基金呢跑到海外的比例會更加提高有沒有可能這個可能性\n528952\t553357\t應該不會有這個問題,是不是請局長來說明?局長,這一點是本席擔心的啦。跟委員報告,應該不會,因為我們海外投資的上限是法令明定的。那現在主要是避險的部分,避險它有避險成本。那外匯價格準備金的這個主要是在那個平穩那個避險成本過高的問題,只有這個功能。\n553917\t577299\t只有這個功能?所以移過去之後不會造成他們這個資金更加的嚴重?不會,它那個是因為現在是lock-in的,將來2026是以現實利率,因為現在利率高,所以會有保駕差額準備金,就折準今天保駕金的差額。保駕差額準備金就可以做,我10月12號研討會有報告,現在保險局也在跟公會討論,這部分可以做一些彈性運用。\n577839\t606011\t對 真人片有限時的利率嘛 那個IFOS是一個比較相對固定利率嘛 對不對所以說會造成所謂的盈餘嘛而且盈餘就是有一個差額啦 有差額啦而且要看我們去訂定那個保駕金是用竹單還是群組 我們都用比較彈性的方式讓業者可以產生一些差額 又不影響保護權益啦當然 不影響保護權益啦 那不是說挪用是說可以做彈性運用\n606331\t624649\t所以部分致應到外匯價格變動準備金因為時間上的關係我再佔用一點點時間因為我同意你剛剛回答委員的說法確實上是沒有案源的問題的我也認同你2016的時候第三行下的時候那個做法但是我在上一次的質詢的時候有要求4月29號的時候\n626030\t641327\t就是說國發會要召開一個平台會議這個平台會議的時候能不能大力建議一下因為多半的啊這個公部門啊都想要當業主啊都想要用預算編列的方式根本不想要用授選機制嘛\n642808\t658331\t多半還有包括我們部長我必須要停留在這邊因為我們在公債發行的時候我們公債發行的利率都非常的低嘛有沒有可能承擔一定的風險讓這些資金引進回來做一個彈性上的處理部長的角色很重要主委的角色很重要\n658792\t677100\t希望把這個部分資金才可能回送回來台灣嘛否則的話那個昭偉他的說法他也是用心良苦45%要降到25%這個方法是很直接了當但是呢會產生一定的後遺症啦我認為是如此啦但是要漸進式的讓這個資金回來確實要有一些行政的作為啦\n678188\t694039\t主委有阿其實以前財政部兔三四也很幫忙啦兔三四很幫忙沒有錯問題是內政部不幫忙阿其他的部會不幫忙阿其實您說的重點啦大家都想跟預算做業主那當然自然保險資金就沒有去處阿\n695345\t697727\t主委跟部長,麻煩4月29號好好慎思討論一下好不好?我們會繼續表達這個想法,謝謝委員\n725287\t727423\t接著請李坤澄、李維文質詢\n","txt":"莊部長你好莊部長今天是地球日那我想能源政策的關係我們目前積極的在推動一些能源發展那推動能源發展的過程當中我發現這業者為了這個KPI但是比較缺乏有一些自律的情況\n結果早就怎麼樣呢?造成有些是假養殖增重店的漁電共生的政策也有造成跟新辦計畫不符變成有一些非法的掩埋物等等\n但是呢我們對於這些綠能政策的放款是非常的大方啊就我知道理解的部分就台銀本身到2023年年底受信的金額是高達4563億因為這是國家政策嘛就你所了解的我們目前八大公共行戶當中啊授予這些融資的這個貸款金額到底多少為什麼\n因為ESG大聯盟是從我們國公營這邊開始嘛 對不對我們希望從金融業然後呢慢慢的去影響到我們放款的對象讓其他的這個行業也能夠達到這個ESG的一個落實可是在此同時呢我們目前發現了我們放款的對象當中呢有些人環境永續跟社會責任反而是衝突的\n一邊呢你要追求環境永續你要推動這個綠能產業但是呢同時呢他在推動的過程當中卻違背社會責任這時候要怎麼處理金額有多少那你們怎麼處理\n跟委員報告我們供股金融事業在投資在綠電還有再生能源產業的部分總共有400多件然後有2500億至於在光電的部分壽信戶數大概有800多戶然後有456億這樣的一個金額當然在我們的不管是供股行戶在放貸的時候當然要審核相關的一個他們申請貸款的一些資料\n重點不是在審核的過程﹖而且當然要審核而審核完了以後至於他貸放給他以後當然貸貸管理就很重要貸貸管理第一個資金的我們貸款他給他資金的流向以及他的用途是不是符合當時他來身貸當時的一個用途我覺得這個部分是非常重要的這個流程本席也清楚了部長謝謝你再一次說明但是我說倘若發生這件事情的時候目前有什麼機制\n因為一般而言20以上的企業我們會編列這個永續報告書但是目前為止有一些甚至我們台灣的這個勞動基金運用局都說你20以下的沒有永續發展報告書他就會不購買他未來的一個投資的對象成為他投資的對象\n可是21以下的他沒有需要處理這個永續發展報告書的情況底下有沒有可能有一個ESG的信用評比這個部分我已經有要求經濟部而經濟部目前也在建構當中預計最近之內會上網如果他上網的情況底下我們是不是可以由經濟部做一個他公佈的標準舉凡影響生態舉凡影響機油的生產\n舉凡影響人民的一個生活所導致的這種結果你可以來要求這些販款單位這些壽星的單位來要求他來說明或者是停播或者說回款項有沒有可能\n委員您提的這個非常好也就是說對ESG這個部分要怎麼樣落實要一個評比的一個標準對不對要一個大家一個共同認同的標準我覺得也許可以朝這個方向大家來努力是你們研究一下好不好就是說現在經濟部已經有建立一個標準出來而且是定期的公佈公開的一個平台就依照這個公開的平台或者呢有一個違反刑犯計畫的一個事實違反ESG的精神的時候你們應該進行後面的這個代後管理的處理啊可以嗎\n為什麼邀請公共銀行?公共銀行已經有成立一個大聯盟了,你要做一個示範啊!對,我們已經有一個倡議平台,是。好,謝謝委員指教。這個部分之外,我就叫你剛剛回答有關於蕭大使回來致用的酒高達23瓶輸5公升,你是說5公升以上要課稅嘛對不對?\n稅是1公升以上都要課稅?對,1公升以上都要課稅,然後1到5公升要課稅嘛好,那出現一個問題本期之前有就教於稅務署的部分也就是說我們免稅的金額從去年5月的時候我就質詢了就是總共才2萬元已經高達\n議員王世堅等\n蘇貞昌議員\n但是酒的部分我們現在討論酒的部分現在一瓶在計算在免稅額裡頭嘛一公升免稅額但是通常那一瓶啦因為一清酒的為例的話大概720ml大概應該挺多戴一瓶而已啦你戴第二瓶你就要瞌睡了嘛不是嗎\n所以現在就有民眾來跟我反映說他們每次出國都只能帶一瓶回來那通常不是菸、酒、藥品都會有受限嘛但是酒的部分通常是拿來做送禮的他想要自用這個送禮至少可以加個一瓶嘛這比較合理更何況你現在從兩萬五變成三萬五啦他可不可以有多買的空間有沒有可能隨之調整的可能署長\n報告委員,這一部分一公升的部分已經行之多年了那如果要調升的話我們要再跟國庫署這邊再研議一下國庫署要講一下\n其實酒類的部分我們先前規定都是一瓶那未來如果要做調整還是要再研議你們內部研議一下啦一個月給本席答覆一下好不好能夠隨之這個3萬5的這個部分來公布這個利多更好啦我只是要求加一瓶而已自用送你兩箱你加起來就兩瓶而已嘛不是嗎好不好我看羅昭偉很同意我的看法的樣子一直在笑\n但是我接下來我想請教一下那兩位署長請回部長稍後一下我先請黃主委時間請暫停黃主委\n主委好主委主委因為你最近對於本土的授權業有進行一些監理寬容那我發現這個監理寬容有連鎖效應原本大家擔心的IFR 17原來好像是大魔王那現在感覺上好像有種大放送的感覺為什麼我發現IFR 4到現在為止有提出一個我們有關於責任準備金的部分\n這責任準備金的部分針對利率的部分跟對照於IFR 17的部分已經變成有盈餘了開始有盈餘的現象然後之前是說缺口有900億然後業者就開始說是不是把這個盈餘可以動用到連同變成是說可以移軟到這個外匯準備金的頭頭上去但是外匯準備金上次我就交於署長的部分\n徐長恩跟我講說這個將來上限沒有調高可是我算一算上限雖然沒有調高可是你還是有一定的一個空間以國外投資的話佔將近七成嘛當然海外投資跟國際版上限的話大概65.25但是這個部分目前投資的金額大概18.35兆也就是大概大約是有57.5\n那我距離上限的算一算都2.46兆雖然你上限沒有調高阿局長說上限沒有調高可是他會不會因此而造成這個資金的乾坤大挪移以至於呢我們這個保險基金呢跑到海外的比例會更加提高有沒有可能這個可能性\n應該不會有這個問題,是不是請局長來說明?局長,這一點是本席擔心的啦。跟委員報告,應該不會,因為我們海外投資的上限是法令明定的。那現在主要是避險的部分,避險它有避險成本。那外匯價格準備金的這個主要是在那個平穩那個避險成本過高的問題,只有這個功能。\n只有這個功能?所以移過去之後不會造成他們這個資金更加的嚴重?不會,它那個是因為現在是lock-in的,將來2026是以現實利率,因為現在利率高,所以會有保駕差額準備金,就折準今天保駕金的差額。保駕差額準備金就可以做,我10月12號研討會有報告,現在保險局也在跟公會討論,這部分可以做一些彈性運用。\n對 真人片有限時的利率嘛 那個IFOS是一個比較相對固定利率嘛 對不對所以說會造成所謂的盈餘嘛而且盈餘就是有一個差額啦 有差額啦而且要看我們去訂定那個保駕金是用竹單還是群組 我們都用比較彈性的方式讓業者可以產生一些差額 又不影響保護權益啦當然 不影響保護權益啦 那不是說挪用是說可以做彈性運用\n所以部分致應到外匯價格變動準備金因為時間上的關係我再佔用一點點時間因為我同意你剛剛回答委員的說法確實上是沒有案源的問題的我也認同你2016的時候第三行下的時候那個做法但是我在上一次的質詢的時候有要求4月29號的時候\n就是說國發會要召開一個平台會議這個平台會議的時候能不能大力建議一下因為多半的啊這個公部門啊都想要當業主啊都想要用預算編列的方式根本不想要用授選機制嘛\n多半還有包括我們部長我必須要停留在這邊因為我們在公債發行的時候我們公債發行的利率都非常的低嘛有沒有可能承擔一定的風險讓這些資金引進回來做一個彈性上的處理部長的角色很重要主委的角色很重要\n希望把這個部分資金才可能回送回來台灣嘛否則的話那個昭偉他的說法他也是用心良苦45%要降到25%這個方法是很直接了當但是呢會產生一定的後遺症啦我認為是如此啦但是要漸進式的讓這個資金回來確實要有一些行政的作為啦\n主委有阿其實以前財政部兔三四也很幫忙啦兔三四很幫忙沒有錯問題是內政部不幫忙阿其他的部會不幫忙阿其實您說的重點啦大家都想跟預算做業主那當然自然保險資金就沒有去處阿\n主委跟部長,麻煩4月29號好好慎思討論一下好不好?我們會繼續表達這個想法,謝謝委員\n接著請李坤澄、李維文質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.110 --> 00:18.341\n莊部長你好莊部長今天是地球日那我想能源政策的關係我們目前積極的在推動一些能源發展那推動能源發展的過程當中我發現這業者為了這個KPI但是比較缺乏有一些自律的情況\n\n00:20.083 --> 00:35.556\n結果早就怎麼樣呢?造成有些是假養殖增重店的漁電共生的政策也有造成跟新辦計畫不符變成有一些非法的掩埋物等等\n\n00:36.337 --> 01:00.395\n但是呢我們對於這些綠能政策的放款是非常的大方啊就我知道理解的部分就台銀本身到2023年年底受信的金額是高達4563億因為這是國家政策嘛就你所了解的我們目前八大公共行戶當中啊授予這些融資的這個貸款金額到底多少為什麼\n\n01:01.115 --> 01:23.736\n因為ESG大聯盟是從我們國公營這邊開始嘛對不對我們希望從金融業然後呢慢慢的去影響到我們放款的對象讓其他的這個行業也能夠達到這個ESG的一個落實可是在此同時呢我們目前發現了我們放款的對象當中呢有些人環境永續跟社會責任反而是衝突的\n\n01:25.321 --> 01:35.935\n一邊呢你要追求環境永續你要推動這個綠能產業但是呢同時呢他在推動的過程當中卻違背社會責任這時候要怎麼處理金額有多少那你們怎麼處理\n\n01:37.288 --> 01:45.134\n跟委員報告我們供股金融事業在投資在綠電還有再生能源產業的部分總共有400多件然後有2500億至於在光電的部分壽信戶數大概有800多戶然後有456億這樣的一個金額當然在我們的不管是供股行戶在放貸的時候當然要審核相關的一個他們申請貸款的一些資料\n\n02:05.269 --> 02:28.974\n重點不是在審核的過程﹖而且當然要審核而審核完了以後至於他貸放給他以後當然貸貸管理就很重要貸貸管理第一個資金的我們貸款他給他資金的流向以及他的用途是不是符合當時他來身貸當時的一個用途我覺得這個部分是非常重要的這個流程本席也清楚了部長謝謝你再一次說明但是我說倘若發生這件事情的時候目前有什麼機制\n\n02:30.334 --> 02:48.971\n因為一般而言20以上的企業我們會編列這個永續報告書但是目前為止有一些甚至我們台灣的這個勞動基金運用局都說你20以下的沒有永續發展報告書他就會不購買他未來的一個投資的對象成為他投資的對象\n\n02:49.511 --> 03:12.589\n可是21以下的他沒有需要處理這個永續發展報告書的情況底下有沒有可能有一個ESG的信用評比這個部分我已經有要求經濟部而經濟部目前也在建構當中預計最近之內會上網如果他上網的情況底下我們是不是可以由經濟部做一個他公佈的標準舉凡影響生態舉凡影響機油的生產\n\n03:15.352 --> 03:27.735\n舉凡影響人民的一個生活所導致的這種結果你可以來要求這些販款單位這些壽星的單位來要求他來說明或者是停播或者說回款項有沒有可能\n\n03:28.574 --> 03:54.585\n委員您提的這個非常好也就是說對ESG這個部分要怎麼樣落實要一個評比的一個標準對不對要一個大家一個共同認同的標準我覺得也許可以朝這個方向大家來努力是你們研究一下好不好就是說現在經濟部已經有建立一個標準出來而且是定期的公佈公開的一個平台就依照這個公開的平台或者呢有一個違反刑犯計畫的一個事實違反ESG的精神的時候你們應該進行後面的這個代後管理的處理啊可以嗎\n\n03:59.088 --> 04:20.649\n為什麼邀請公共銀行?公共銀行已經有成立一個大聯盟了,你要做一個示範啊!對,我們已經有一個倡議平台,是。好,謝謝委員指教。這個部分之外,我就叫你剛剛回答有關於蕭大使回來致用的酒高達23瓶輸5公升,你是說5公升以上要課稅嘛對不對?\n\n04:22.630 --> 04:39.824\n稅是1公升以上都要課稅?對,1公升以上都要課稅,然後1到5公升要課稅嘛好,那出現一個問題本期之前有就教於稅務署的部分也就是說我們免稅的金額從去年5月的時候我就質詢了就是總共才2萬元已經高達\n\n04:41.986 --> 04:42.166\n議員王世堅等\n\n04:58.575 --> 04:58.595\n蘇貞昌議員\n\n05:29.655 --> 05:46.040\n但是酒的部分我們現在討論酒的部分現在一瓶在計算在免稅額裡頭嘛一公升免稅額但是通常那一瓶啦因為一清酒的為例的話大概720ml大概應該挺多戴一瓶而已啦你戴第二瓶你就要瞌睡了嘛不是嗎\n\n05:46.900 --> 06:12.498\n所以現在就有民眾來跟我反映說他們每次出國都只能帶一瓶回來那通常不是菸、酒、藥品都會有受限嘛但是酒的部分通常是拿來做送禮的他想要自用這個送禮至少可以加個一瓶嘛這比較合理更何況你現在從兩萬五變成三萬五啦他可不可以有多買的空間有沒有可能隨之調整的可能署長\n\n06:14.140 --> 06:24.071\n報告委員,這一部分一公升的部分已經行之多年了那如果要調升的話我們要再跟國庫署這邊再研議一下國庫署要講一下\n\n06:31.947 --> 06:59.723\n其實酒類的部分我們先前規定都是一瓶那未來如果要做調整還是要再研議你們內部研議一下啦一個月給本席答覆一下好不好能夠隨之這個3萬5的這個部分來公布這個利多更好啦我只是要求加一瓶而已自用送你兩箱你加起來就兩瓶而已嘛不是嗎好不好我看羅昭偉很同意我的看法的樣子一直在笑\n\n07:01.004 --> 07:06.318\n但是我接下來我想請教一下那兩位署長請回部長稍後一下我先請黃主委時間請暫停黃主委\n\n07:13.935 --> 07:39.164\n主委好主委主委因為你最近對於本土的授權業有進行一些監理寬容那我發現這個監理寬容有連鎖效應原本大家擔心的IFR17原來好像是大魔王那現在感覺上好像有種大放送的感覺為什麼我發現IFR4到現在為止有提出一個我們有關於責任準備金的部分\n\n07:40.184 --> 08:05.700\n這責任準備金的部分針對利率的部分跟對照於IFR17的部分已經變成有盈餘了開始有盈餘的現象然後之前是說缺口有900億然後業者就開始說是不是把這個盈餘可以動用到連同變成是說可以移軟到這個外匯準備金的頭頭上去但是外匯準備金上次我就交於署長的部分\n\n08:06.661 --> 08:28.790\n徐長恩跟我講說這個將來上限沒有調高可是我算一算上限雖然沒有調高可是你還是有一定的一個空間以國外投資的話佔將近七成嘛當然海外投資跟國際版上限的話大概65.25但是這個部分目前投資的金額大概18.35兆也就是大概大約是有57.5\n\n08:30.271 --> 08:48.119\n那我距離上限的算一算都2.46兆雖然你上限沒有調高阿局長說上限沒有調高可是他會不會因此而造成這個資金的乾坤大挪移以至於呢我們這個保險基金呢跑到海外的比例會更加提高有沒有可能這個可能性\n\n08:48.952 --> 09:13.357\n應該不會有這個問題,是不是請局長來說明?局長,這一點是本席擔心的啦。跟委員報告,應該不會,因為我們海外投資的上限是法令明定的。那現在主要是避險的部分,避險它有避險成本。那外匯價格準備金的這個主要是在那個平穩那個避險成本過高的問題,只有這個功能。\n\n09:13.917 --> 09:37.299\n只有這個功能?所以移過去之後不會造成他們這個資金更加的嚴重?不會,它那個是因為現在是lock-in的,將來2026是以現實利率,因為現在利率高,所以會有保駕差額準備金,就折準今天保駕金的差額。保駕差額準備金就可以做,我10月12號研討會有報告,現在保險局也在跟公會討論,這部分可以做一些彈性運用。\n\n09:37.839 --> 10:06.011\n對真人片有限時的利率嘛那個IFOS是一個比較相對固定利率嘛對不對所以說會造成所謂的盈餘嘛而且盈餘就是有一個差額啦有差額啦而且要看我們去訂定那個保駕金是用竹單還是群組我們都用比較彈性的方式讓業者可以產生一些差額又不影響保護權益啦當然不影響保護權益啦那不是說挪用是說可以做彈性運用\n\n10:06.331 --> 10:24.649\n所以部分致應到外匯價格變動準備金因為時間上的關係我再佔用一點點時間因為我同意你剛剛回答委員的說法確實上是沒有案源的問題的我也認同你2016的時候第三行下的時候那個做法但是我在上一次的質詢的時候有要求4月29號的時候\n\n10:26.030 --> 10:41.327\n就是說國發會要召開一個平台會議這個平台會議的時候能不能大力建議一下因為多半的啊這個公部門啊都想要當業主啊都想要用預算編列的方式根本不想要用授選機制嘛\n\n10:42.808 --> 10:58.331\n多半還有包括我們部長我必須要停留在這邊因為我們在公債發行的時候我們公債發行的利率都非常的低嘛有沒有可能承擔一定的風險讓這些資金引進回來做一個彈性上的處理部長的角色很重要主委的角色很重要\n\n10:58.792 --> 11:17.100\n希望把這個部分資金才可能回送回來台灣嘛否則的話那個昭偉他的說法他也是用心良苦45%要降到25%這個方法是很直接了當但是呢會產生一定的後遺症啦我認為是如此啦但是要漸進式的讓這個資金回來確實要有一些行政的作為啦\n\n11:18.188 --> 11:34.039\n主委有阿其實以前財政部兔三四也很幫忙啦兔三四很幫忙沒有錯問題是內政部不幫忙阿其他的部會不幫忙阿其實您說的重點啦大家都想跟預算做業主那當然自然保險資金就沒有去處阿\n\n11:35.345 --> 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