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，這個沒問題。"],["高金委員素梅：謝謝你。"],["李秘書長孟諺：好。"],["高金委員素梅：對於原住民的問題，麻煩這個禮拜到我辦公室跟我說明一下，我們剛剛談到的零到二歲原住民的托育，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝高金召委的質詢。秘書長，召委指示這個禮拜到她辦公室做說明。","現在請張智倫委員，謝謝。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":52,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-15-13","speakers":["吳琪銘","張宏陸","黃捷","蘇巧慧","牛煦庭","王美惠","黃建賓","丁學忠","高金素梅","張智倫","李柏毅","徐欣瑩","許宇甄","黃國昌","麥玉珍","莊瑞雄","洪孟楷","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:07,136\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案\n\n7\n00:02:29,423 --> 00:02:56,221\n他有在去年的11月8號有邀集衛務部的委員會延長沒有我講的是3月5號我的總諮詢啊當時院長就已經告訴我的說要在3月底的時候把這個計畫報行政院查核所以我還嘲笑說會不會520之前他說最後一天都會那3月底了園民會已經把修正的計畫書報到社家署了\n\n8\n00:02:56,921 --> 00:03:20,256\n對目前原民會是在2月6號跟3月27送到衛福部衛福部目前我的了解是還在研擬中最近應該就會送到還在研擬中啊從我3月5號已經在關心這件事情了而且我提的裡面的內容其實衛福部長也好行政院院長都非常的認同啊這個為什麼流程那麼冗長\n\n9\n00:03:21,918 --> 00:03:23,720\n五二零之前會合訂計劃。今天幾號了?秘書長。\n\n10\n00:03:42,785 --> 00:04:05,473\n明天能不能告訴我?可以嗎?還是現在請他們趕快打電話,待會就到我的辦公室裡面來做說明。連這麼一點點小事,而且是凝聚社會共識的問題,你還要拖那麼長,我都很擔心你當交通部部長的時候,您的質詢率會怎樣?好,我們來看一下今天,不用再回應了啦,不要照顧。\n\n11\n00:04:06,633 --> 00:04:08,695\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle\n\n12\n00:04:30,731 --> 00:04:55,174\n原住民族或者是所有的警察不能夠去投票你們是剝奪了憲法保障他們的投票請問一下今天已經要解凍你們的這個預算了還看不到一個具體的方式請問一下你的具體方式是什麼我們現在就是已經送到貴院就是針對全國性的公民投票\n\n13\n00:04:55,774 --> 00:05:03,937\n我知道啊!我要問的是,你們怎麼樣凝聚社會共識?你們的公聽會是開公聽會還是說明會還是研討會還是問卷調查?如果要舉辦會議,請問一年要辦幾場,預計在幾年之內可以收集這些語情?如果是問卷調查,可以充分收集更年齡層各族群的意見嗎?\n\n14\n00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:33,932\n我再更具體的問你就是這樣不要用這種敷衍的方式請回答是我想我們是期待公民投票如果順利的來推動不在籍投票之後我記到公民投票嘛那個時候之後才要談到這個所謂的不在籍投票那要幾年請你告訴我要幾年大概\n\n15\n00:05:34,312 --> 00:05:35,673\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n\n16\n00:05:35,673 --> 00:05:44,617\n如果順利的推動,我覺得後面其他選舉的不再去投票,因為如果是向立委、向議員,那個票的種類會非常的繁多。\n\n17\n00:05:54,895 --> 00:05:56,916\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲\n\n18\n00:06:13,021 --> 00:06:13,221\n檸檬司司長\n\n19\n00:06:29,912 --> 00:06:43,268\n再來我來跟你討論少子化的推動情形。行政院你們這報告裡面這樣說本院已經建立跨部會的運作機制了由上而下整合11個部會的資源而在112到113年主要精進策\n\n20\n00:06:46,291 --> 00:06:48,552\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2\n\n21\n00:07:10,359 --> 00:07:36,138\n我認為政府對於偏鄉原鄉的默示就是我們在制定政策的時候都是以都會區為基準點也都是以都會區的狀況為精進考量從來都沒有把偏鄉跟原住民地區的困境反映在你們的政策上例如我談幾個問題第一個原鄉連一間0到2歲的托育機構都沒有您知道嗎\n\n22\n00:08:01,474 --> 00:08:23,838\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲,我想,呃,絕對是我們一視同仁的在看待。好,如果不是的話,你覺得應該怎麼處理?那這是這個圓鄉跟偏鄉比較少的這些處所,這個我想後面還可以再繼續。後面跟誰一起討論?嗯,就是我們院裡面還是會持續的,包括園民會,包括衛福部。520之前能不能告訴我一個說法?今天就要解凍你們的案子了。那你任務幾號?這個禮拜還是下個禮拜到我辦公室?\n\n23\n00:08:28,161 --> 00:08:30,623\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n\n24\n00:08:52,483 --> 00:08:53,485\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n\n25\n00:08:59,982 --> 00:09:04,144\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n\n26\n00:09:28,912 --> 00:09:29,072\n三、審查\n\n27\n00:09:47,634 --> 00:09:49,035\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n\n28\n00:09:49,035 --> 00:09:51,056\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n\n29\n00:09:51,056 --> 00:09:51,617\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n\n30\n00:10:14,713 --> 00:10:30,599\n我覺得行政院你們應該要跨部會來談點問題離清所有的問題之後然後再針對相關的政策來擬定改善的空間和計畫你認為應該這樣子吧對症下藥是很重要的而不是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳而我剛剛提到的這些問題它幾乎都是跨部會的問題所以\n\n31\n00:10:39,722 --> 00:10:49,218\n行政院秘書長的工作就很重要你在這五年當中想病您比我更清楚可是如果要我給你打分數的話我覺得這五年來\n\n32\n00:10:53,120 --> 00:11:15,030\n我覺得剛剛就幾個案子的解凍案,我覺得還是有待精進。您給您自己的評分是多少?我們不對自己來評分,不過我們會有在進步跟努力的空間。你認為是不是應該要再進步?雖然你520之後就要離開這個位置了。\n\n33\n00:11:18,391 --> 00:11:20,412\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n\n34\n00:11:20,412 --> 00:11:27,635\n我希望您不要把這個態度帶到交通部,因為交通部是非常重要的一個部會,而不是跟秘書長一樣,只是協調的工作。\n\n35\n00:11:40,701 --> 00:11:53,510\n事由把這個應付的態度把他改善一下因為我們今天談的沒有任何政治的問題他是屬於內政的問題內政的問題是全民老百姓最感受的問題\n\n36\n00:11:58,213 --> 00:12:08,539\n對於原住民的問題麻煩這個禮拜到我辦公室跟我說明一下我們剛剛談到的這個零到二歲還有我們這個原住民的這個這個托育的部分謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2192\t22802\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 bicy,您在民主黨任內幾年了?五年。很長一段時間了。民主黨的工作是做什麼?簡單的說明。包括各部會上來,呈給院長的公文,我們會先合約。\n23362\t49709\t那所以各部會包括今天的解凍案各部會都一些說明應該也在行政院會裡面要經過行政院長這樣子的同意然後您再跟各部會來做協調協商對嗎對相關的有授權或者是我們會先審閱過好今天呢您知道嗎您是撞一天做一個做一天的和尚要撞一天鐘您今天行政院的113年度的單位預算解凍報告\n50889\t75417\t這是在立法院朝野共同要解凍的案子。解凍的金額不多,但是您看你裡面的說明,非常的敷衍。我覺得做一天和尚就要撞一天鐘。你們到底有沒有用心在解決今天遭委排的這個解凍案。從你們的報告跟態度就可以清楚知道。\n76397\t101134\t我先恭喜您要升任了我們的交通部部長而您的專業也在水利。您的專長是在水利。所以呢從行政院裡面五年當秘書長一直到現在當然您的九通報案我認為是非常失望的希望您未來到了交通部的時候您的態度不要如此否則不是全民之福。謝謝您。\n102435\t119833\t三月五號我對陳建仁院長就原住民的原家中心議題我進行了我的總諮詢當時陳院長承諾在520之前會核定計劃而且交辦相關部會必須在三月底把計劃報行政院核查\n121134\t127136\t審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案\n149423\t176221\t他有在去年的11月8號有邀集衛務部的委員會延長沒有我講的是3月5號我的總諮詢啊當時院長就已經告訴我的說要在3月底的時候把這個計畫報行政院查核所以我還嘲笑說會不會520之前他說最後一天都會那3月底了 園民會已經把修正的計畫書報到社家署了\n176921\t200256\t對目前原民會是在2月6號跟3月27送到衛福部衛福部目前我的了解是還在研擬中最近應該就會送到還在研擬中啊從我3月5號已經在關心這件事情了而且我提的裡面的內容其實衛福部長也好行政院院長都非常的認同啊這個為什麼流程那麼冗長\n201918\t203720\t五二零之前會合訂計劃。今天幾號了?秘書長。\n222785\t245473\t明天能不能告訴我?可以嗎?還是現在請他們趕快打電話,待會就到我的辦公室裡面來做說明。連這麼一點點小事,而且是凝聚社會共識的問題,你還要拖那麼長,我都很擔心你當交通部部長的時候,您的質詢率會怎樣?好,我們來看一下今天,不用再回應了啦,不要照顧。\n246633\t248695\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle\n270731\t295174\t原住民族或者是所有的警察不能夠去投票你們是剝奪了憲法保障他們的投票請問一下今天已經要解凍你們的這個預算了還看不到一個具體的方式請問一下你的具體方式是什麼我們現在就是已經送到貴院就是針對全國性的公民投票\n295774\t303937\t我知道啊!我要問的是,你們怎麼樣凝聚社會共識?你們的公聽會是開公聽會還是說明會還是研討會還是問卷調查?如果要舉辦會議,請問一年要辦幾場,預計在幾年之內可以收集這些語情?如果是問卷調查,可以充分收集更年齡層各族群的意見嗎?\n317199\t333932\t我再更具體的問你就是這樣不要用這種敷衍的方式請回答是我想我們是期待公民投票如果順利的來推動不在籍投票之後我記到公民投票嘛那個時候之後才要談到這個所謂的不在籍投票那要幾年請你告訴我要幾年大概\n334312\t335673\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n335673\t344617\t如果順利的推動,我覺得後面其他選舉的不再去投票,因為如果是向立委、向議員,那個票的種類會非常的繁多。\n354895\t356916\t三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲\n373021\t373221\t檸檬司司長\n389912\t403268\t再來我來跟你討論少子化的推動情形。行政院你們這報告裡面這樣說本院已經建立跨部會的運作機制了由上而下整合11個部會的資源而在112到113年主要精進策\n406291\t408552\t審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2\n430359\t456138\t我認為政府對於偏鄉原鄉的默示就是我們在制定政策的時候都是以都會區為基準點也都是以都會區的狀況為精進考量從來都沒有把偏鄉跟原住民地區的困境反映在你們的政策上例如我談幾個問題第一個原鄉連一間0到2歲的托育機構都沒有您知道嗎\n457039\t481032\t議員議員議員\n481474\t503838\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲,我想,呃,絕對是我們一視同仁的在看待。好,如果不是的話,你覺得應該怎麼處理?那這是這個圓鄉跟偏鄉比較少的這些處所,這個我想後面還可以再繼續。後面跟誰一起討論?嗯,就是我們院裡面還是會持續的,包括園民會,包括衛福部。520之前能不能告訴我一個說法?今天就要解凍你們的案子了。那你任務幾號?這個禮拜還是下個禮拜到我辦公室?\n508161\t510623\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n532483\t533485\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n539982\t544144\t審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n568912\t569072\t三、審查\n587634\t589035\t三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n589035\t591056\t審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n591056\t591617\t審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n614713\t630599\t我覺得行政院你們應該要跨部會來談點問題離清所有的問題之後然後再針對相關的政策來擬定改善的空間和計畫你認為應該這樣子吧對症下藥是很重要的而不是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳而我剛剛提到的這些問題它幾乎都是跨部會的問題所以\n639722\t649218\t行政院秘書長的工作就很重要你在這五年當中想病您比我更清楚可是如果要我給你打分數的話我覺得這五年來\n653120\t675030\t我覺得剛剛就幾個案子的解凍案,我覺得還是有待精進。您給您自己的評分是多少?我們不對自己來評分,不過我們會有在進步跟努力的空間。你認為是不是應該要再進步?雖然你520之後就要離開這個位置了。\n678391\t680412\t二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n680412\t687635\t我希望您不要把這個態度帶到交通部,因為交通部是非常重要的一個部會,而不是跟秘書長一樣,只是協調的工作。\n700701\t713510\t事由把這個應付的態度把他改善一下因為我們今天談的沒有任何政治的問題他是屬於內政的問題內政的問題是全民老百姓最感受的問題\n718213\t728539\t對於原住民的問題麻煩這個禮拜到我辦公室跟我說明一下我們剛剛談到的這個零到二歲還有我們這個原住民的這個這個托育的部分謝謝\n","txt":"二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 bicy,您在民主黨任內幾年了?五年。很長一段時間了。民主黨的工作是做什麼?簡單的說明。包括各部會上來,呈給院長的公文,我們會先合約。\n那所以各部會包括今天的解凍案各部會都一些說明應該也在行政院會裡面要經過行政院長這樣子的同意然後您再跟各部會來做協調協商對嗎對相關的有授權或者是我們會先審閱過好今天呢您知道嗎您是撞一天做一個做一天的和尚要撞一天鐘您今天行政院的113年度的單位預算解凍報告\n這是在立法院朝野共同要解凍的案子。解凍的金額不多,但是您看你裡面的說明,非常的敷衍。我覺得做一天和尚就要撞一天鐘。你們到底有沒有用心在解決今天遭委排的這個解凍案。從你們的報告跟態度就可以清楚知道。\n我先恭喜您要升任了我們的交通部部長而您的專業也在水利。您的專長是在水利。所以呢從行政院裡面五年當秘書長一直到現在當然您的九通報案我認為是非常失望的希望您未來到了交通部的時候您的態度不要如此否則不是全民之福。謝謝您。\n三月五號我對陳建仁院長就原住民的原家中心議題我進行了我的總諮詢當時陳院長承諾在520之前會核定計劃而且交辦相關部會必須在三月底把計劃報行政院核查\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案\n他有在去年的11月8號有邀集衛務部的委員會延長沒有我講的是3月5號我的總諮詢啊當時院長就已經告訴我的說要在3月底的時候把這個計畫報行政院查核所以我還嘲笑說會不會520之前他說最後一天都會那3月底了 園民會已經把修正的計畫書報到社家署了\n對目前原民會是在2月6號跟3月27送到衛福部衛福部目前我的了解是還在研擬中最近應該就會送到還在研擬中啊從我3月5號已經在關心這件事情了而且我提的裡面的內容其實衛福部長也好行政院院長都非常的認同啊這個為什麼流程那麼冗長\n五二零之前會合訂計劃。今天幾號了?秘書長。\n明天能不能告訴我?可以嗎?還是現在請他們趕快打電話,待會就到我的辦公室裡面來做說明。連這麼一點點小事,而且是凝聚社會共識的問題,你還要拖那麼長,我都很擔心你當交通部部長的時候,您的質詢率會怎樣?好,我們來看一下今天,不用再回應了啦,不要照顧。\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle\n原住民族或者是所有的警察不能夠去投票你們是剝奪了憲法保障他們的投票請問一下今天已經要解凍你們的這個預算了還看不到一個具體的方式請問一下你的具體方式是什麼我們現在就是已經送到貴院就是針對全國性的公民投票\n我知道啊!我要問的是,你們怎麼樣凝聚社會共識?你們的公聽會是開公聽會還是說明會還是研討會還是問卷調查?如果要舉辦會議,請問一年要辦幾場,預計在幾年之內可以收集這些語情?如果是問卷調查,可以充分收集更年齡層各族群的意見嗎?\n我再更具體的問你就是這樣不要用這種敷衍的方式請回答是我想我們是期待公民投票如果順利的來推動不在籍投票之後我記到公民投票嘛那個時候之後才要談到這個所謂的不在籍投票那要幾年請你告訴我要幾年大概\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n如果順利的推動,我覺得後面其他選舉的不再去投票,因為如果是向立委、向議員,那個票的種類會非常的繁多。\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲\n檸檬司司長\n再來我來跟你討論少子化的推動情形。行政院你們這報告裡面這樣說本院已經建立跨部會的運作機制了由上而下整合11個部會的資源而在112到113年主要精進策\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2\n我認為政府對於偏鄉原鄉的默示就是我們在制定政策的時候都是以都會區為基準點也都是以都會區的狀況為精進考量從來都沒有把偏鄉跟原住民地區的困境反映在你們的政策上例如我談幾個問題第一個原鄉連一間0到2歲的托育機構都沒有您知道嗎\n議員議員議員\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲,我想,呃,絕對是我們一視同仁的在看待。好,如果不是的話,你覺得應該怎麼處理?那這是這個圓鄉跟偏鄉比較少的這些處所,這個我想後面還可以再繼續。後面跟誰一起討論?嗯,就是我們院裡面還是會持續的,包括園民會,包括衛福部。520之前能不能告訴我一個說法?今天就要解凍你們的案子了。那你任務幾號?這個禮拜還是下個禮拜到我辦公室?\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n三、審查\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關\n我覺得行政院你們應該要跨部會來談點問題離清所有的問題之後然後再針對相關的政策來擬定改善的空間和計畫你認為應該這樣子吧對症下藥是很重要的而不是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳而我剛剛提到的這些問題它幾乎都是跨部會的問題所以\n行政院秘書長的工作就很重要你在這五年當中想病您比我更清楚可是如果要我給你打分數的話我覺得這五年來\n我覺得剛剛就幾個案子的解凍案,我覺得還是有待精進。您給您自己的評分是多少?我們不對自己來評分,不過我們會有在進步跟努力的空間。你認為是不是應該要再進步?雖然你520之後就要離開這個位置了。\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n我希望您不要把這個態度帶到交通部,因為交通部是非常重要的一個部會,而不是跟秘書長一樣,只是協調的工作。\n事由把這個應付的態度把他改善一下因為我們今天談的沒有任何政治的問題他是屬於內政的問題內政的問題是全民老百姓最感受的問題\n對於原住民的問題麻煩這個禮拜到我辦公室跟我說明一下我們剛剛談到的這個零到二歲還有我們這個原住民的這個這個托育的部分謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.192 --> 00:22.802\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。bicy,您在民主黨任內幾年了?五年。很長一段時間了。民主黨的工作是做什麼?簡單的說明。包括各部會上來,呈給院長的公文,我們會先合約。\n\n00:23.362 --> 00:49.709\n那所以各部會包括今天的解凍案各部會都一些說明應該也在行政院會裡面要經過行政院長這樣子的同意然後您再跟各部會來做協調協商對嗎對相關的有授權或者是我們會先審閱過好今天呢您知道嗎您是撞一天做一個做一天的和尚要撞一天鐘您今天行政院的113年度的單位預算解凍報告\n\n00:50.889 --> 01:15.417\n這是在立法院朝野共同要解凍的案子。解凍的金額不多,但是您看你裡面的說明,非常的敷衍。我覺得做一天和尚就要撞一天鐘。你們到底有沒有用心在解決今天遭委排的這個解凍案。從你們的報告跟態度就可以清楚知道。\n\n01:16.397 --> 01:41.134\n我先恭喜您要升任了我們的交通部部長而您的專業也在水利。您的專長是在水利。所以呢從行政院裡面五年當秘書長一直到現在當然您的九通報案我認為是非常失望的希望您未來到了交通部的時候您的態度不要如此否則不是全民之福。謝謝您。\n\n01:42.435 --> 01:59.833\n三月五號我對陳建仁院長就原住民的原家中心議題我進行了我的總諮詢當時陳院長承諾在520之前會核定計劃而且交辦相關部會必須在三月底把計劃報行政院核查\n\n02:01.134 --> 02:07.136\n審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案\n\n02:29.423 --> 02:56.221\n他有在去年的11月8號有邀集衛務部的委員會延長沒有我講的是3月5號我的總諮詢啊當時院長就已經告訴我的說要在3月底的時候把這個計畫報行政院查核所以我還嘲笑說會不會520之前他說最後一天都會那3月底了園民會已經把修正的計畫書報到社家署了\n\n02:56.921 --> 03:20.256\n對目前原民會是在2月6號跟3月27送到衛福部衛福部目前我的了解是還在研擬中最近應該就會送到還在研擬中啊從我3月5號已經在關心這件事情了而且我提的裡面的內容其實衛福部長也好行政院院長都非常的認同啊這個為什麼流程那麼冗長\n\n03:21.918 --> 03:23.720\n五二零之前會合訂計劃。今天幾號了?秘書長。\n\n03:42.785 --> 04:05.473\n明天能不能告訴我?可以嗎?還是現在請他們趕快打電話,待會就到我的辦公室裡面來做說明。連這麼一點點小事,而且是凝聚社會共識的問題,你還要拖那麼長,我都很擔心你當交通部部長的時候,您的質詢率會怎樣?好,我們來看一下今天,不用再回應了啦,不要照顧。\n\n04:06.633 --> 04:08.695\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle\n\n04:30.731 --> 04:55.174\n原住民族或者是所有的警察不能夠去投票你們是剝奪了憲法保障他們的投票請問一下今天已經要解凍你們的這個預算了還看不到一個具體的方式請問一下你的具體方式是什麼我們現在就是已經送到貴院就是針對全國性的公民投票\n\n04:55.774 --> 05:03.937\n我知道啊!我要問的是,你們怎麼樣凝聚社會共識?你們的公聽會是開公聽會還是說明會還是研討會還是問卷調查?如果要舉辦會議,請問一年要辦幾場,預計在幾年之內可以收集這些語情?如果是問卷調查,可以充分收集更年齡層各族群的意見嗎?\n\n05:17.199 --> 05:33.932\n我再更具體的問你就是這樣不要用這種敷衍的方式請回答是我想我們是期待公民投票如果順利的來推動不在籍投票之後我記到公民投票嘛那個時候之後才要談到這個所謂的不在籍投票那要幾年請你告訴我要幾年大概\n\n05:34.312 --> 05:35.673\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds.\n\n05:35.673 --> 05:44.617\n如果順利的推動,我覺得後面其他選舉的不再去投票,因為如果是向立委、向議員,那個票的種類會非常的繁多。\n\n05:54.895 --> 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