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00:02:10,346\n所以秀娜姐也不是特例嗎?她就是按照這個相關的規定嗎?就是按照你們關稅法第49條第一項跟第三款的後段嗎?就是說第一個她不用這個許可的執照那第二個呢她也不用查驗嘛是不是?\n\n7\n00:02:10,486 --> 00:02:30,944\n也就是說他攜帶自用的酒,第一個是自用攜帶的酒那他可以不需要申請那個進口酒類的許可執照以及那個衛生查驗這個部分因為他是自用而且他是奉調回國的外交人員那他們有附,那個蕭大使有附清單給你嗎外交部的行文來有附後面的清單\n\n8\n00:02:32,165 --> 00:02:57,489\n那附後面清單是大概是多少公升?清單裡面總共第一個是23坪然後15.1公升是,非常清楚,是好,那所以說按照規定的話他只要是按照相關的規定來申報然後就是可以不用有這個許可證那也可以不用這個查驗嘛是,但是稅還是依然超過1公升依然是要課關稅就是超過1公升的部分依然要課稅還是要課稅,對,對,對啊所以說什麼\n\n9\n00:03:00,490 --> 00:03:26,756\n目前看起來就是說肖大使第一個他要來做申報然後外交部來為你們財政部那財政部說按照相關規定可以那就是說比如說免查驗但是超過一公升的還是要報稅嘛還是要繳稅嘛而且在進口到海關的時候海關的查驗也都是按照他們海關查驗的相關規定來辦理的是好那肖大使的這一批貨進來了嗎沒有沒有目前沒有目前還沒有進來是是是好\n\n10\n00:03:27,296 --> 00:03:53,475\n所以說這個我也認為說是認知作戰的一種就是說第一個這個公文我不知道是怎麼出去的那第二個這個公文反而證實了說其實蕭大使他是有按照相關的規定來做申報的那可是呢因為他這個有一般民眾不知道他就把它轉換成說好像有什麼退權可以帶酒回來這個好像不用查驗那可是我們按照相關規定他本來就可以不用查驗啊\n\n11\n00:03:54,275 --> 00:04:17,290\n是,我們都按規定來處理的而且只要超過1公升,他還是要繳稅嘛對不對要繳所有的稅,關稅、營業稅跟菸酒稅都要扣的那就是我想利用這個機會要再澄清一下不然今天我看這個有相關的媒體也在做類似的新聞當然你們有發新聞稿啦我有看到有的,我們昨天就發了那我認為說這個東西就是說因為蕭大使未來是我們的副總統\n\n12\n00:04:18,490 --> 00:04:19,051\n黃主委現在請黃主委莊部長請回\n\n13\n00:04:41,626 --> 00:05:02,346\n主委好,今天我們有一個關於保險法第177條的修正案那這個就是說要修改的這個規定裡面就是說它的工作條件含承攬、委任、雇佣、勞動契約等等就是應該由這個主管機關會同勞動部共同訂定以維護廣大保險業務源之勞動權益嘛對不對\n\n14\n00:05:04,688 --> 00:05:17,880\n是的我雖然是今年2月才進來可是我也看過這個相關的這個過去相關的委員的提案那甚至在去年也有辦過這個相關的公聽會嘛對不對大概去年3月的時候\n\n15\n00:05:18,362 --> 00:05:35,811\n有這個議題是定期都會有人提出來大家討論的對,然後呢我看是大概這個金管會或是說保險局這個態度都蠻一致的因為就去年我看去年這個怎麼講今年也是怎麼講態度是蠻一致的啦那我是覺得說那對於這個保險業務員來講\n\n16\n00:05:39,173 --> 00:05:52,342\n昨年開了這個公聽會他們主要有三大陳情那三大陳情我再念一下那我看說這一年到底有沒有做什麼改變或是調整那等一下我請這個勞動部的勞動關係師今天是副市長過來嗎來也請\n\n17\n00:05:58,607 --> 00:06:13,160\n這個保險業工會還有三大懲刑第一個就是說公司片面終止或修改與業務員的承攬契約這是第一個第二個承攬契約被終止之後續期保費佣金也消失第三個是獎懲不公的問題因為就是說如果這個保險業務員他對於這個\n\n18\n00:06:19,618 --> 00:06:21,239\n委員王世堅等23人提案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書»:\n\n19\n00:06:46,872 --> 00:06:50,297\n還是我們先請這個勞動部先來講一下好了請勞動部\n\n20\n00:06:54,977 --> 00:07:20,670\n針對保險公司跟承染重驗人員的雇佣或委任相關的爭議其實勞動部為了要協助勞資雙方明確釐清到底是雇佣或委任然後避免假承染真雇佣我們其實有訂定一個勞動契約指導原則那明確有25項的指標如果勞務雙方對於相關雇佣或委任有相關的需要釐清的都有相關的行政指導可以參考\n\n21\n00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:32,278\n那我問一下局長好了就是說那現在雖然說這個勞動部有相關的行政指導那我請問一下我剛才講的三大曾經這個到現在有任何的改變嗎?\n\n22\n00:07:34,213 --> 00:07:54,639\n我跟委員報告一下就是片面修改勞務承攬契約的部分其實我們一直都有在幫工會跟授權公司的工會有做一些協商就那個契約內容有在討論那另外就是那個獎懲的部分其實業務員的獎懲其實是兩個部分一個就是公司內部有一個獎懲的委員會\n\n23\n00:08:01,701 --> 00:08:27,554\n那這個委員會裡面我們要求它業者就是說公司代表跟業務員代表要均衡那另外在工會裡面也有一個講成委員會也就是它這個是第二層的如果你在公司內部你覺得還是不公平就可以跟工會那工會的部分其實我們那個工會的工是公司的工嘛是不是公司的工但是但是它裡面喔\n\n24\n00:08:29,375 --> 00:08:42,324\n陳秀寳等19人、委員羅明才等19人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅\n\n25\n00:08:46,467 --> 00:09:12,928\n生疏的機制也是那個公司的公會來做處理吧?這個基本上是代表公司的啊,不是代表勞方的啊。但是裡面的那個組成我們讓它就是社會公正人士代表比較多一點。你們組成齁,那我講說多少人數比例是佔多少勒?真正的人數比例我現在不是很記得,但是業者的代表一定要跟那個業務員代表兩個,如果他是兩個的話就\n\n26\n00:09:14,591 --> 00:09:15,833\n議員王世堅等23人提案須經各黨團簽署不復議\n\n27\n00:09:31,173 --> 00:09:46,747\n續期佣金的部分有一部分是遞延的有一部分是不是他的那個後面的服務報酬因為這個是他們早期的契約關係啦所以我們也請他們去釐清過但是因為牽涉到的是有些業務員同意\n\n28\n00:10:09,716 --> 00:10:25,937\n因為他這個是過去的簽約啦,那業務員如果他並沒有共識的話,這個事情我們比較不適合去介入他的失選企業。對,那如果有問題咧?有問題又回到就是說,我剛才講就是說又是由,主要是由公司組成的公會來做處理嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:26,758 --> 00:10:27,939\n我再請問一下勞動部,去年是3月份公聽會勞動部有五大建議\n\n30\n00:10:51,656 --> 00:10:57,124\n那我請問一下那到底有沒有建立一個勞資雙方的建立對話平台鼓勵勞資雙方簽團體協約有沒有啊\n\n31\n00:11:00,617 --> 00:11:24,446\n鼓勵勞資雙方簽團體協約是我們勞動部一直在努力的方向就還沒有做就對了我們是有相關的獎勵的這個措施那我們部裡面其實也對工會其實有維持持續對話的一個到部裡面拜訪我們也有直接做輔導他們如何協商就是我解釋就是去年3月份的這個工廳會這個勞動部的這個五大建議\n\n32\n00:11:28,127 --> 00:11:31,228\n接下來請李燕秀李委員下一位嚴寬衡嚴委員請準備然後我們就休息一下\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n569\t9933\t致詢完就休息一下。好,謝謝主席。我們先請這個財政部,我們莊部長。請莊部長。跟證因為現場顏寬恆委員在,但顏委員發言完畢。部長好。\n23671\t48307\t這個 有兩份公文 請部長看一下那這個都是在這個今年的3月15號那一部 有一個公文是外交部喊給財政部的那有一個是財政部喊給外交部的那都是有關於這個我們 這個駐美國的這個肖前大使這個 諷調反國海運自用物品通關的事情那請問一下 這兩份公文是真的還假的\n50051\t64827\t有這兩份公文有這兩份公文那如果這兩份公文為真的話那就要去查一下這兩份公文是什麼流出去的那這個是有一部分要去查那另外一個呢\n66206\t88394\t另外一個就是說那我請教一下那整件事情這個被這個外界導向成說這個肖嫻大使有這個特權然後這個甚至呢這個在這個外面的這個網站上面還寫說他走私那請問一下這個我們財政部長那肖大使這件事情上面有沒有特權有沒有走私\n89039\t113603\t一、沒有特權二、不是走私對那他是不是按照這個相關的規定來處理是的因為我們的國家政府派駐到國外的人員奉調回國的時候他攜帶的自用物品回來那外交部依例都會行文給財政部都會依例的所以在去年就有55案這樣的案子回來那我們也依照規定來做\n113983\t130346\t所以秀娜姐也不是特例嗎?她就是按照這個相關的規定嗎?就是按照你們關稅法第49條第一項跟第三款的後段嗎?就是說第一個她不用這個許可的執照那第二個呢她也不用查驗嘛是不是?\n130486\t150944\t也就是說他攜帶自用的酒,第一個是自用攜帶的酒那他可以不需要申請那個進口酒類的許可執照以及那個衛生查驗這個部分因為他是自用而且他是奉調回國的外交人員那他們有附,那個蕭大使有附清單給你嗎外交部的行文來有附後面的清單\n152165\t177489\t那附後面清單是大概是多少公升?清單裡面總共第一個是23坪然後15.1公升是,非常清楚,是好,那所以說按照規定的話他只要是按照相關的規定來申報然後就是可以不用有這個許可證那也可以不用這個查驗嘛是,但是稅還是依然超過1公升依然是要課關稅就是超過1公升的部分依然要課稅還是要課稅,對,對,對啊所以說什麼\n180490\t206756\t目前看起來就是說肖大使第一個他要來做申報然後外交部來為你們財政部那財政部說按照相關規定可以那就是說比如說免查驗但是超過一公升的還是要報稅嘛還是要繳稅嘛而且在進口到海關的時候海關的查驗也都是按照他們海關查驗的相關規定來辦理的是好那肖大使的這一批貨進來了嗎沒有沒有目前沒有目前還沒有進來是是是好\n207296\t233475\t所以說這個我也認為說是認知作戰的一種就是說第一個這個公文我不知道是怎麼出去的那第二個這個公文反而證實了說其實蕭大使他是有按照相關的規定來做申報的那可是呢因為他這個有一般民眾不知道他就把它轉換成說好像有什麼退權可以帶酒回來這個好像不用查驗那可是我們按照相關規定他本來就可以不用查驗啊\n234275\t257290\t是,我們都按規定來處理的而且只要超過1公升,他還是要繳稅嘛對不對要繳所有的稅,關稅、營業稅跟菸酒稅都要扣的那就是我想利用這個機會要再澄清一下不然今天我看這個有相關的媒體也在做類似的新聞當然你們有發新聞稿啦我有看到有的,我們昨天就發了那我認為說這個東西就是說因為蕭大使未來是我們的副總統\n258490\t259051\t黃主委 現在請黃主委 莊部長請回\n281626\t302346\t主委好,今天我們有一個關於保險法第177條的修正案那這個就是說要修改的這個規定裡面就是說它的工作條件含承攬、委任、雇佣、勞動契約等等就是應該由這個主管機關會同勞動部共同訂定以維護廣大保險業務源之勞動權益嘛對不對\n304688\t317880\t是的我雖然是今年2月才進來可是我也看過這個相關的這個過去相關的委員的提案那甚至在去年也有辦過這個相關的公聽會嘛對不對大概去年3月的時候\n318362\t335811\t有這個議題是定期都會有人提出來大家討論的對,然後呢我看是大概這個金管會或是說保險局這個態度都蠻一致的因為就去年我看去年這個怎麼講今年也是怎麼講態度是蠻一致的啦那我是覺得說那對於這個保險業務員來講\n339173\t352342\t昨年開了這個公聽會 他們主要有三大陳情 那三大陳情我再念一下 那我看說這一年到底有沒有做什麼改變或是調整 那等一下我請這個勞動部的勞動關係師 今天是副市長過來嗎 來也請\n358607\t373160\t這個保險業工會還有三大懲刑第一個就是說公司片面終止或修改與業務員的承攬契約這是第一個第二個承攬契約被終止之後續期保費佣金也消失第三個是獎懲不公的問題因為就是說如果這個保險業務員他對於這個\n379618\t381239\t委員王世堅等23人提案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書 »:\n406872\t410297\t還是我們先請這個勞動部先來講一下好了請勞動部\n414977\t440670\t針對保險公司跟承染重驗人員的雇佣或委任相關的爭議其實勞動部為了要協助勞資雙方明確釐清到底是雇佣或委任然後避免假承染真雇佣我們其實有訂定一個勞動契約指導原則那明確有25項的指標如果勞務雙方對於相關雇佣或委任有相關的需要釐清的都有相關的行政指導可以參考\n441650\t452278\t那我問一下局長好了就是說那現在雖然說這個勞動部有相關的行政指導那我請問一下我剛才講的三大曾經這個到現在有任何的改變嗎?\n454213\t474639\t我跟委員報告一下就是片面修改勞務承攬契約的部分其實我們一直都有在幫工會跟授權公司的工會有做一些協商就那個契約內容有在討論那另外就是那個獎懲的部分其實業務員的獎懲其實是兩個部分一個就是公司內部有一個獎懲的委員會\n481701\t507554\t那這個委員會裡面我們要求它業者就是說公司代表跟業務員代表要均衡那另外在工會裡面也有一個講成委員會也就是它這個是第二層的如果你在公司內部你覺得還是不公平就可以跟工會那工會的部分其實我們那個工會的工是公司的工嘛是不是公司的工但是但是它裡面喔\n509375\t522324\t陳秀寳等19人、委員羅明才等19人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅\n526467\t552928\t生疏的機制也是那個公司的公會來做處理吧?這個基本上是代表公司的啊,不是代表勞方的啊。但是裡面的那個組成我們讓它就是社會公正人士代表比較多一點。你們組成齁,那我講說多少人數比例是佔多少勒?真正的人數比例我現在不是很記得,但是業者的代表一定要跟那個業務員代表兩個,如果他是兩個的話就\n554591\t555833\t議員王世堅等23人提案須經各黨團簽署不復議\n571173\t586747\t續期佣金的部分有一部分是遞延的有一部分是不是他的那個後面的服務報酬因為這個是他們早期的契約關係啦所以我們也請他們去釐清過但是因為牽涉到的是有些業務員同意\n588268\t609616\t⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n609716\t625937\t因為他這個是過去的簽約啦,那業務員如果他並沒有共識的話,這個事情我們比較不適合去介入他的失選企業。對,那如果有問題咧?有問題又回到就是說,我剛才講就是說又是由,主要是由公司組成的公會來做處理嗎?\n626758\t627939\t我再請問一下勞動部,去年是3月份公聽會勞動部有五大建議\n651656\t657124\t那我請問一下那到底有沒有建立一個勞資雙方的建立對話平台鼓勵勞資雙方簽團體協約有沒有啊\n660617\t684446\t鼓勵勞資雙方簽團體協約是我們勞動部一直在努力的方向就還沒有做就對了我們是有相關的獎勵的這個措施那我們部裡面其實也對工會其實有維持持續對話的一個到部裡面拜訪我們也有直接做輔導他們如何協商就是我解釋就是去年3月份的這個工廳會這個勞動部的這個五大建議\n688127\t691228\t接下來請李燕秀李委員下一位嚴寬衡 嚴委員請準備然後我們就休息一下\n","txt":"致詢完就休息一下。好,謝謝主席。我們先請這個財政部,我們莊部長。請莊部長。跟證因為現場顏寬恆委員在,但顏委員發言完畢。部長好。\n這個 有兩份公文 請部長看一下那這個都是在這個今年的3月15號那一部 有一個公文是外交部喊給財政部的那有一個是財政部喊給外交部的那都是有關於這個我們 這個駐美國的這個肖前大使這個 諷調反國海運自用物品通關的事情那請問一下 這兩份公文是真的還假的\n有這兩份公文有這兩份公文那如果這兩份公文為真的話那就要去查一下這兩份公文是什麼流出去的那這個是有一部分要去查那另外一個呢\n另外一個就是說那我請教一下那整件事情這個被這個外界導向成說這個肖嫻大使有這個特權然後這個甚至呢這個在這個外面的這個網站上面還寫說他走私那請問一下這個我們財政部長那肖大使這件事情上面有沒有特權有沒有走私\n一、沒有特權二、不是走私對那他是不是按照這個相關的規定來處理是的因為我們的國家政府派駐到國外的人員奉調回國的時候他攜帶的自用物品回來那外交部依例都會行文給財政部都會依例的所以在去年就有55案這樣的案子回來那我們也依照規定來做\n所以秀娜姐也不是特例嗎?她就是按照這個相關的規定嗎?就是按照你們關稅法第49條第一項跟第三款的後段嗎?就是說第一個她不用這個許可的執照那第二個呢她也不用查驗嘛是不是?\n也就是說他攜帶自用的酒,第一個是自用攜帶的酒那他可以不需要申請那個進口酒類的許可執照以及那個衛生查驗這個部分因為他是自用而且他是奉調回國的外交人員那他們有附,那個蕭大使有附清單給你嗎外交部的行文來有附後面的清單\n那附後面清單是大概是多少公升?清單裡面總共第一個是23坪然後15.1公升是,非常清楚,是好,那所以說按照規定的話他只要是按照相關的規定來申報然後就是可以不用有這個許可證那也可以不用這個查驗嘛是,但是稅還是依然超過1公升依然是要課關稅就是超過1公升的部分依然要課稅還是要課稅,對,對,對啊所以說什麼\n目前看起來就是說肖大使第一個他要來做申報然後外交部來為你們財政部那財政部說按照相關規定可以那就是說比如說免查驗但是超過一公升的還是要報稅嘛還是要繳稅嘛而且在進口到海關的時候海關的查驗也都是按照他們海關查驗的相關規定來辦理的是好那肖大使的這一批貨進來了嗎沒有沒有目前沒有目前還沒有進來是是是好\n所以說這個我也認為說是認知作戰的一種就是說第一個這個公文我不知道是怎麼出去的那第二個這個公文反而證實了說其實蕭大使他是有按照相關的規定來做申報的那可是呢因為他這個有一般民眾不知道他就把它轉換成說好像有什麼退權可以帶酒回來這個好像不用查驗那可是我們按照相關規定他本來就可以不用查驗啊\n是,我們都按規定來處理的而且只要超過1公升,他還是要繳稅嘛對不對要繳所有的稅,關稅、營業稅跟菸酒稅都要扣的那就是我想利用這個機會要再澄清一下不然今天我看這個有相關的媒體也在做類似的新聞當然你們有發新聞稿啦我有看到有的,我們昨天就發了那我認為說這個東西就是說因為蕭大使未來是我們的副總統\n黃主委 現在請黃主委 莊部長請回\n主委好,今天我們有一個關於保險法第177條的修正案那這個就是說要修改的這個規定裡面就是說它的工作條件含承攬、委任、雇佣、勞動契約等等就是應該由這個主管機關會同勞動部共同訂定以維護廣大保險業務源之勞動權益嘛對不對\n是的我雖然是今年2月才進來可是我也看過這個相關的這個過去相關的委員的提案那甚至在去年也有辦過這個相關的公聽會嘛對不對大概去年3月的時候\n有這個議題是定期都會有人提出來大家討論的對,然後呢我看是大概這個金管會或是說保險局這個態度都蠻一致的因為就去年我看去年這個怎麼講今年也是怎麼講態度是蠻一致的啦那我是覺得說那對於這個保險業務員來講\n昨年開了這個公聽會 他們主要有三大陳情 那三大陳情我再念一下 那我看說這一年到底有沒有做什麼改變或是調整 那等一下我請這個勞動部的勞動關係師 今天是副市長過來嗎 來也請\n這個保險業工會還有三大懲刑第一個就是說公司片面終止或修改與業務員的承攬契約這是第一個第二個承攬契約被終止之後續期保費佣金也消失第三個是獎懲不公的問題因為就是說如果這個保險業務員他對於這個\n委員王世堅等23人提案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書 »:\n還是我們先請這個勞動部先來講一下好了請勞動部\n針對保險公司跟承染重驗人員的雇佣或委任相關的爭議其實勞動部為了要協助勞資雙方明確釐清到底是雇佣或委任然後避免假承染真雇佣我們其實有訂定一個勞動契約指導原則那明確有25項的指標如果勞務雙方對於相關雇佣或委任有相關的需要釐清的都有相關的行政指導可以參考\n那我問一下局長好了就是說那現在雖然說這個勞動部有相關的行政指導那我請問一下我剛才講的三大曾經這個到現在有任何的改變嗎?\n我跟委員報告一下就是片面修改勞務承攬契約的部分其實我們一直都有在幫工會跟授權公司的工會有做一些協商就那個契約內容有在討論那另外就是那個獎懲的部分其實業務員的獎懲其實是兩個部分一個就是公司內部有一個獎懲的委員會\n那這個委員會裡面我們要求它業者就是說公司代表跟業務員代表要均衡那另外在工會裡面也有一個講成委員會也就是它這個是第二層的如果你在公司內部你覺得還是不公平就可以跟工會那工會的部分其實我們那個工會的工是公司的工嘛是不是公司的工但是但是它裡面喔\n陳秀寳等19人、委員羅明才等19人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅\n生疏的機制也是那個公司的公會來做處理吧?這個基本上是代表公司的啊,不是代表勞方的啊。但是裡面的那個組成我們讓它就是社會公正人士代表比較多一點。你們組成齁,那我講說多少人數比例是佔多少勒?真正的人數比例我現在不是很記得,但是業者的代表一定要跟那個業務員代表兩個,如果他是兩個的話就\n議員王世堅等23人提案須經各黨團簽署不復議\n續期佣金的部分有一部分是遞延的有一部分是不是他的那個後面的服務報酬因為這個是他們早期的契約關係啦所以我們也請他們去釐清過但是因為牽涉到的是有些業務員同意\n⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯\n因為他這個是過去的簽約啦,那業務員如果他並沒有共識的話,這個事情我們比較不適合去介入他的失選企業。對,那如果有問題咧?有問題又回到就是說,我剛才講就是說又是由,主要是由公司組成的公會來做處理嗎?\n我再請問一下勞動部,去年是3月份公聽會勞動部有五大建議\n那我請問一下那到底有沒有建立一個勞資雙方的建立對話平台鼓勵勞資雙方簽團體協約有沒有啊\n鼓勵勞資雙方簽團體協約是我們勞動部一直在努力的方向就還沒有做就對了我們是有相關的獎勵的這個措施那我們部裡面其實也對工會其實有維持持續對話的一個到部裡面拜訪我們也有直接做輔導他們如何協商就是我解釋就是去年3月份的這個工廳會這個勞動部的這個五大建議\n接下來請李燕秀李委員下一位嚴寬衡 嚴委員請準備然後我們就休息一下\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.569 --> 00:09.933\n致詢完就休息一下。好,謝謝主席。我們先請這個財政部,我們莊部長。請莊部長。跟證因為現場顏寬恆委員在,但顏委員發言完畢。部長好。\n\n00:23.671 --> 00:48.307\n這個有兩份公文請部長看一下那這個都是在這個今年的3月15號那一部有一個公文是外交部喊給財政部的那有一個是財政部喊給外交部的那都是有關於這個我們這個駐美國的這個肖前大使這個諷調反國海運自用物品通關的事情那請問一下這兩份公文是真的還假的\n\n00:50.051 --> 01:04.827\n有這兩份公文有這兩份公文那如果這兩份公文為真的話那就要去查一下這兩份公文是什麼流出去的那這個是有一部分要去查那另外一個呢\n\n01:06.206 --> 01:28.394\n另外一個就是說那我請教一下那整件事情這個被這個外界導向成說這個肖嫻大使有這個特權然後這個甚至呢這個在這個外面的這個網站上面還寫說他走私那請問一下這個我們財政部長那肖大使這件事情上面有沒有特權有沒有走私\n\n01:29.039 --> 01:53.603\n一、沒有特權二、不是走私對那他是不是按照這個相關的規定來處理是的因為我們的國家政府派駐到國外的人員奉調回國的時候他攜帶的自用物品回來那外交部依例都會行文給財政部都會依例的所以在去年就有55案這樣的案子回來那我們也依照規定來做\n\n01:53.983 --> 02:10.346\n所以秀娜姐也不是特例嗎?她就是按照這個相關的規定嗎?就是按照你們關稅法第49條第一項跟第三款的後段嗎?就是說第一個她不用這個許可的執照那第二個呢她也不用查驗嘛是不是?\n\n02:10.486 --> 02:30.944\n也就是說他攜帶自用的酒,第一個是自用攜帶的酒那他可以不需要申請那個進口酒類的許可執照以及那個衛生查驗這個部分因為他是自用而且他是奉調回國的外交人員那他們有附,那個蕭大使有附清單給你嗎外交部的行文來有附後面的清單\n\n02:32.165 --> 02:57.489\n那附後面清單是大概是多少公升?清單裡面總共第一個是23坪然後15.1公升是,非常清楚,是好,那所以說按照規定的話他只要是按照相關的規定來申報然後就是可以不用有這個許可證那也可以不用這個查驗嘛是,但是稅還是依然超過1公升依然是要課關稅就是超過1公升的部分依然要課稅還是要課稅,對,對,對啊所以說什麼\n\n03:00.490 --> 03:26.756\n目前看起來就是說肖大使第一個他要來做申報然後外交部來為你們財政部那財政部說按照相關規定可以那就是說比如說免查驗但是超過一公升的還是要報稅嘛還是要繳稅嘛而且在進口到海關的時候海關的查驗也都是按照他們海關查驗的相關規定來辦理的是好那肖大使的這一批貨進來了嗎沒有沒有目前沒有目前還沒有進來是是是好\n\n03:27.296 --> 03:53.475\n所以說這個我也認為說是認知作戰的一種就是說第一個這個公文我不知道是怎麼出去的那第二個這個公文反而證實了說其實蕭大使他是有按照相關的規定來做申報的那可是呢因為他這個有一般民眾不知道他就把它轉換成說好像有什麼退權可以帶酒回來這個好像不用查驗那可是我們按照相關規定他本來就可以不用查驗啊\n\n03:54.275 --> 04:17.290\n是,我們都按規定來處理的而且只要超過1公升,他還是要繳稅嘛對不對要繳所有的稅,關稅、營業稅跟菸酒稅都要扣的那就是我想利用這個機會要再澄清一下不然今天我看這個有相關的媒體也在做類似的新聞當然你們有發新聞稿啦我有看到有的,我們昨天就發了那我認為說這個東西就是說因為蕭大使未來是我們的副總統\n\n04:18.490 --> 04:19.051\n黃主委現在請黃主委莊部長請回\n\n04:41.626 --> 05:02.346\n主委好,今天我們有一個關於保險法第177條的修正案那這個就是說要修改的這個規定裡面就是說它的工作條件含承攬、委任、雇佣、勞動契約等等就是應該由這個主管機關會同勞動部共同訂定以維護廣大保險業務源之勞動權益嘛對不對\n\n05:04.688 --> 05:17.880\n是的我雖然是今年2月才進來可是我也看過這個相關的這個過去相關的委員的提案那甚至在去年也有辦過這個相關的公聽會嘛對不對大概去年3月的時候\n\n05:18.362 --> 05:35.811\n有這個議題是定期都會有人提出來大家討論的對,然後呢我看是大概這個金管會或是說保險局這個態度都蠻一致的因為就去年我看去年這個怎麼講今年也是怎麼講態度是蠻一致的啦那我是覺得說那對於這個保險業務員來講\n\n05:39.173 --> 05:52.342\n昨年開了這個公聽會他們主要有三大陳情那三大陳情我再念一下那我看說這一年到底有沒有做什麼改變或是調整那等一下我請這個勞動部的勞動關係師今天是副市長過來嗎來也請\n\n05:58.607 --> 06:13.160\n這個保險業工會還有三大懲刑第一個就是說公司片面終止或修改與業務員的承攬契約這是第一個第二個承攬契約被終止之後續期保費佣金也消失第三個是獎懲不公的問題因為就是說如果這個保險業務員他對於這個\n\n06:19.618 --> 06:21.239\n委員王世堅等23人提案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書»:\n\n06:46.872 --> 06:50.297\n還是我們先請這個勞動部先來講一下好了請勞動部\n\n06:54.977 --> 07:20.670\n針對保險公司跟承染重驗人員的雇佣或委任相關的爭議其實勞動部為了要協助勞資雙方明確釐清到底是雇佣或委任然後避免假承染真雇佣我們其實有訂定一個勞動契約指導原則那明確有25項的指標如果勞務雙方對於相關雇佣或委任有相關的需要釐清的都有相關的行政指導可以參考\n\n07:21.650 --> 07:32.278\n那我問一下局長好了就是說那現在雖然說這個勞動部有相關的行政指導那我請問一下我剛才講的三大曾經這個到現在有任何的改變嗎?\n\n07:34.213 --> 07:54.639\n我跟委員報告一下就是片面修改勞務承攬契約的部分其實我們一直都有在幫工會跟授權公司的工會有做一些協商就那個契約內容有在討論那另外就是那個獎懲的部分其實業務員的獎懲其實是兩個部分一個就是公司內部有一個獎懲的委員會\n\n08:01.701 --> 08:27.554\n那這個委員會裡面我們要求它業者就是說公司代表跟業務員代表要均衡那另外在工會裡面也有一個講成委員會也就是它這個是第二層的如果你在公司內部你覺得還是不公平就可以跟工會那工會的部分其實我們那個工會的工是公司的工嘛是不是公司的工但是但是它裡面喔\n\n08:29.375 --> 08:42.324\n陳秀寳等19人、委員羅明才等19人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅\n\n08:46.467 --> 09:12.928\n生疏的機制也是那個公司的公會來做處理吧?這個基本上是代表公司的啊,不是代表勞方的啊。但是裡面的那個組成我們讓它就是社會公正人士代表比較多一點。你們組成齁,那我講說多少人數比例是佔多少勒?真正的人數比例我現在不是很記得,但是業者的代表一定要跟那個業務員代表兩個,如果他是兩個的話就\n\n09:14.591 --> 09:15.833\n議員王世堅等23人提案須經各黨團簽署不復議\n\n09:31.173 --> 09:46.747\n續期佣金的部分有一部分是遞延的有一部分是不是他的那個後面的服務報酬因為這個是他們早期的契約關係啦所以我們也請他們去釐清過但是因為牽涉到的是有些業務員同意\n\n10:09.716 --> 10:25.937\n因為他這個是過去的簽約啦,那業務員如果他並沒有共識的話,這個事情我們比較不適合去介入他的失選企業。對,那如果有問題咧?有問題又回到就是說,我剛才講就是說又是由,主要是由公司組成的公會來做處理嗎?\n\n10:26.758 --> 10:27.939\n我再請問一下勞動部,去年是3月份公聽會勞動部有五大建議\n\n10:51.656 --> 10:57.124\n那我請問一下那到底有沒有建立一個勞資雙方的建立對話平台鼓勵勞資雙方簽團體協約有沒有啊\n\n11:00.617 --> 11:24.446\n鼓勵勞資雙方簽團體協約是我們勞動部一直在努力的方向就還沒有做就對了我們是有相關的獎勵的這個措施那我們部裡面其實也對工會其實有維持持續對話的一個到部裡面拜訪我們也有直接做輔導他們如何協商就是我解釋就是去年3月份的這個工廳會這個勞動部的這個五大建議\n\n11:28.127 --> 11:31.228\n接下來請李燕秀李委員下一位嚴寬衡嚴委員請準備然後我們就休息一下\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.569,"end":9.933,"text":"致詢完就休息一下。好,謝謝主席。我們先請這個財政部,我們莊部長。請莊部長。跟證因為現場顏寬恆委員在,但顏委員發言完畢。部長好。"},{"start":23.671,"end":48.307,"text":"這個 有兩份公文 請部長看一下那這個都是在這個今年的3月15號那一部 有一個公文是外交部喊給財政部的那有一個是財政部喊給外交部的那都是有關於這個我們 這個駐美國的這個肖前大使這個 諷調反國海運自用物品通關的事情那請問一下 這兩份公文是真的還假的"},{"start":50.051,"end":64.827,"text":"有這兩份公文有這兩份公文那如果這兩份公文為真的話那就要去查一下這兩份公文是什麼流出去的那這個是有一部分要去查那另外一個呢"},{"start":66.206,"end":88.394,"text":"另外一個就是說那我請教一下那整件事情這個被這個外界導向成說這個肖嫻大使有這個特權然後這個甚至呢這個在這個外面的這個網站上面還寫說他走私那請問一下這個我們財政部長那肖大使這件事情上面有沒有特權有沒有走私"},{"start":89.039,"end":113.603,"text":"一、沒有特權二、不是走私對那他是不是按照這個相關的規定來處理是的因為我們的國家政府派駐到國外的人員奉調回國的時候他攜帶的自用物品回來那外交部依例都會行文給財政部都會依例的所以在去年就有55案這樣的案子回來那我們也依照規定來做"},{"start":113.983,"end":130.346,"text":"所以秀娜姐也不是特例嗎?她就是按照這個相關的規定嗎?就是按照你們關稅法第49條第一項跟第三款的後段嗎?就是說第一個她不用這個許可的執照那第二個呢她也不用查驗嘛是不是?"},{"start":130.486,"end":150.944,"text":"也就是說他攜帶自用的酒,第一個是自用攜帶的酒那他可以不需要申請那個進口酒類的許可執照以及那個衛生查驗這個部分因為他是自用而且他是奉調回國的外交人員那他們有附,那個蕭大使有附清單給你嗎外交部的行文來有附後面的清單"},{"start":152.165,"end":177.489,"text":"那附後面清單是大概是多少公升?清單裡面總共第一個是23坪然後15.1公升是,非常清楚,是好,那所以說按照規定的話他只要是按照相關的規定來申報然後就是可以不用有這個許可證那也可以不用這個查驗嘛是,但是稅還是依然超過1公升依然是要課關稅就是超過1公升的部分依然要課稅還是要課稅,對,對,對啊所以說什麼"},{"start":180.49,"end":206.756,"text":"目前看起來就是說肖大使第一個他要來做申報然後外交部來為你們財政部那財政部說按照相關規定可以那就是說比如說免查驗但是超過一公升的還是要報稅嘛還是要繳稅嘛而且在進口到海關的時候海關的查驗也都是按照他們海關查驗的相關規定來辦理的是好那肖大使的這一批貨進來了嗎沒有沒有目前沒有目前還沒有進來是是是好"},{"start":207.296,"end":233.475,"text":"所以說這個我也認為說是認知作戰的一種就是說第一個這個公文我不知道是怎麼出去的那第二個這個公文反而證實了說其實蕭大使他是有按照相關的規定來做申報的那可是呢因為他這個有一般民眾不知道他就把它轉換成說好像有什麼退權可以帶酒回來這個好像不用查驗那可是我們按照相關規定他本來就可以不用查驗啊"},{"start":234.275,"end":257.29,"text":"是,我們都按規定來處理的而且只要超過1公升,他還是要繳稅嘛對不對要繳所有的稅,關稅、營業稅跟菸酒稅都要扣的那就是我想利用這個機會要再澄清一下不然今天我看這個有相關的媒體也在做類似的新聞當然你們有發新聞稿啦我有看到有的,我們昨天就發了那我認為說這個東西就是說因為蕭大使未來是我們的副總統"},{"start":258.49,"end":259.051,"text":"黃主委 現在請黃主委 莊部長請回"},{"start":281.626,"end":302.346,"text":"主委好,今天我們有一個關於保險法第177條的修正案那這個就是說要修改的這個規定裡面就是說它的工作條件含承攬、委任、雇佣、勞動契約等等就是應該由這個主管機關會同勞動部共同訂定以維護廣大保險業務源之勞動權益嘛對不對"},{"start":304.688,"end":317.88,"text":"是的我雖然是今年2月才進來可是我也看過這個相關的這個過去相關的委員的提案那甚至在去年也有辦過這個相關的公聽會嘛對不對大概去年3月的時候"},{"start":318.362,"end":335.811,"text":"有這個議題是定期都會有人提出來大家討論的對,然後呢我看是大概這個金管會或是說保險局這個態度都蠻一致的因為就去年我看去年這個怎麼講今年也是怎麼講態度是蠻一致的啦那我是覺得說那對於這個保險業務員來講"},{"start":339.173,"end":352.342,"text":"昨年開了這個公聽會 他們主要有三大陳情 那三大陳情我再念一下 那我看說這一年到底有沒有做什麼改變或是調整 那等一下我請這個勞動部的勞動關係師 今天是副市長過來嗎 來也請"},{"start":358.607,"end":373.16,"text":"這個保險業工會還有三大懲刑第一個就是說公司片面終止或修改與業務員的承攬契約這是第一個第二個承攬契約被終止之後續期保費佣金也消失第三個是獎懲不公的問題因為就是說如果這個保險業務員他對於這個"},{"start":379.618,"end":381.239,"text":"委員王世堅等23人提案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書 »:"},{"start":406.872,"end":410.297,"text":"還是我們先請這個勞動部先來講一下好了請勞動部"},{"start":414.977,"end":440.67,"text":"針對保險公司跟承染重驗人員的雇佣或委任相關的爭議其實勞動部為了要協助勞資雙方明確釐清到底是雇佣或委任然後避免假承染真雇佣我們其實有訂定一個勞動契約指導原則那明確有25項的指標如果勞務雙方對於相關雇佣或委任有相關的需要釐清的都有相關的行政指導可以參考"},{"start":441.65,"end":452.278,"text":"那我問一下局長好了就是說那現在雖然說這個勞動部有相關的行政指導那我請問一下我剛才講的三大曾經這個到現在有任何的改變嗎?"},{"start":454.213,"end":474.639,"text":"我跟委員報告一下就是片面修改勞務承攬契約的部分其實我們一直都有在幫工會跟授權公司的工會有做一些協商就那個契約內容有在討論那另外就是那個獎懲的部分其實業務員的獎懲其實是兩個部分一個就是公司內部有一個獎懲的委員會"},{"start":481.701,"end":507.554,"text":"那這個委員會裡面我們要求它業者就是說公司代表跟業務員代表要均衡那另外在工會裡面也有一個講成委員會也就是它這個是第二層的如果你在公司內部你覺得還是不公平就可以跟工會那工會的部分其實我們那個工會的工是公司的工嘛是不是公司的工但是但是它裡面喔"},{"start":509.375,"end":522.324,"text":"陳秀寳等19人、委員羅明才等19人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅等23人、委員王世堅"},{"start":526.467,"end":552.928,"text":"生疏的機制也是那個公司的公會來做處理吧?這個基本上是代表公司的啊,不是代表勞方的啊。但是裡面的那個組成我們讓它就是社會公正人士代表比較多一點。你們組成齁,那我講說多少人數比例是佔多少勒?真正的人數比例我現在不是很記得,但是業者的代表一定要跟那個業務員代表兩個,如果他是兩個的話就"},{"start":554.591,"end":555.833,"text":"議員王世堅等23人提案須經各黨團簽署不復議"},{"start":571.173,"end":586.747,"text":"續期佣金的部分有一部分是遞延的有一部分是不是他的那個後面的服務報酬因為這個是他們早期的契約關係啦所以我們也請他們去釐清過但是因為牽涉到的是有些業務員同意"},{"start":588.268,"end":609.616,"text":"⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":609.716,"end":625.937,"text":"因為他這個是過去的簽約啦,那業務員如果他並沒有共識的話,這個事情我們比較不適合去介入他的失選企業。對,那如果有問題咧?有問題又回到就是說,我剛才講就是說又是由,主要是由公司組成的公會來做處理嗎?"},{"start":626.758,"end":627.939,"text":"我再請問一下勞動部,去年是3月份公聽會勞動部有五大建議"},{"start":651.656,"end":657.124,"text":"那我請問一下那到底有沒有建立一個勞資雙方的建立對話平台鼓勵勞資雙方簽團體協約有沒有啊"},{"start":660.617,"end":684.446,"text":"鼓勵勞資雙方簽團體協約是我們勞動部一直在努力的方向就還沒有做就對了我們是有相關的獎勵的這個措施那我們部裡面其實也對工會其實有維持持續對話的一個到部裡面拜訪我們也有直接做輔導他們如何協商就是我解釋就是去年3月份的這個工廳會這個勞動部的這個五大建議"},{"start":688.127,"end":691.228,"text":"接下來請李燕秀李委員下一位嚴寬衡 嚴委員請準備然後我們就休息一下"}]}}}}