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00:01:11,477\n這個範圍這個按照中央運輸事務的範圍裡面這個他是屬於執法過程他不在立案的範圍內不在立案範圍因為理論我記得如果依照新聞報導在227號依照新聞報導來講的時候他說有第三方機構鑑定的資訊那應該第三方機構鑑定的資訊有沒有提供給運輸安全調查委員會嗎\n\n4\n00:01:20,868 --> 00:01:40,539\n我所聽說的好像是委託一個協會還是一些教授來協助那理論上這邊是有兩死兩傷的海運應該是水路的運輸安全出問題出狀況不只是應該只有執法單位或海洋委員會知道理論上運安會也應該要知道一些事情對吧\n\n5\n00:01:41,636 --> 00:02:10,715\n我們有在瓦取有在馬里特但是就是說我剛剛講因為他這個是在執法過程中執法過程中產生的事故一般我們是不調查的我是希望說如果能的話運輸安全委員會畢竟來講這是二死二傷的重大事故那我會希望說未來如果說這方面的事有這方面的資訊麻煩提供給本席跟提供給國人因為這件事情到目前為止全世界都很關心\n\n6\n00:02:11,697 --> 00:02:16,415\n那不是只有說執法單位說的算理論上如果回到本質這是運輸安全的問題\n\n7\n00:02:17,708 --> 00:02:46,583\n好那第二個其實在第7頁的時候有提說我們運安會是會特別提出有關這個運輸安全的改善建議追蹤與列管那因為本席是基隆市選出來的民選立委所以本席對於今年4月3號強震之後雖然對基隆市的目前看起來對基隆市區的影響雖然不是很大但是事實上來講\n\n8\n00:02:48,303 --> 00:03:08,029\n在前年2022年11月1號國道在汐止交流道的時候就有一個走山的事件這件事情造成那時候的交通黑暗期長達一個禮拜還有另外一件事是2010年也就是14年前4月25號國山七堵段走山的走山這件事情我想主委應該是記憶猶新\n\n9\n00:03:12,990 --> 00:03:32,775\n這兩個事情都是因為說國道上面因為是這個水土保持不好還是因為其他狀況而去走山而走山之後也做出來一定的一定針對性的強化措施但是這些強化措施在4月3號這次強震之後是否有所改善是否有所改變我想在這邊就叫我們運安會的專業意見\n\n10\n00:03:35,765 --> 00:03:48,331\n有沒有什麼你們要提出來的現在對於那邊的監測對於那邊的監督對那邊安全係數的保護甚至如果對於說附近附近區域未來是否還會發生同樣的事情請問運安會有沒有什麼準備\n\n11\n00:03:51,038 --> 00:04:05,835\n我們這個沒有調查但是我們有在注意這個新聞如果是屬於天災或是天災的例外然後屬於說對這就是我要提的因為他應作為他應該要作為他應該要作為讓我們我們我我我我不是\n\n12\n00:04:06,756 --> 00:04:30,499\n本期非常不希望是我們是在之後事情發生之後我們再來去談說早知如此何必當初這些事情已經發生過國一的走三國三的走三對於我們對於基隆市對於新北市都是很大的交通黑暗期都是很大交通危機而我們之前這些狀況如果在之前我們能夠做一定程度的預防跟處理\n\n13\n00:04:31,340 --> 00:04:33,001\n主委,您認為是這樣嗎?我舉個例子,像4月10號台鐵通報那個45次的普悠瑪在和平站,那有落實落下來嘛。\n\n14\n00:04:54,189 --> 00:04:54,309\n主席\n\n15\n00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:34,039\n我找出他的發生失誤的噪音我就提出改善建議嘛我希望他不能再發生但是他因為天然災害他天然災害發生之後我找出噪音我不能叫他不要再發生天災阿現在已經發生過了你們在那邊應該也有一定程度的預防跟監測但那邊的狀況\n\n16\n00:05:35,461 --> 00:05:35,601\n李卓人議員\n\n17\n00:05:56,661 --> 00:06:26,361\n就算再怎麼兼顧還是發生了兩次走散那這件事情以運輸安全委員會的專業來講你們必須在這之前先提出一定程度的建議來去提醒公務局跟地方政府做出一定程度的改善不是嗎對沒有錯我們將來本席在這邊建請說你們現在可以不用回答我給我直接回答說你們專業意見但是本席希望會後你們可以提出一定程度的預防措施預防的建議來跟中央單位跟交通部甚至跟地方政府來做一定程度溝通\n\n18\n00:06:26,981 --> 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