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00:03:07,293\n監察院的調查的跟我們的方向是一致可是我們的報告比他細膩阿對阿萬一監察院沒有調查的部分你們有調查嘛所以只有一個報告那監察院有調查的部分跟你們也有調查的部分如果有一天出現不一樣的時候請問我們該相信誰的\n\n9\n00:03:08,140 --> 00:03:35,394\n因為他拿的這個resource的資料都一模一樣,不可能會...喔,真的嗎?主委,你真有信心喔?因為我們跟同一個單位拿的資料都一樣,但是我們的分析的角度會跟他當然不同。沒有關係,主委,這個是你應該回去,因為我只有5分鐘,我其實沒有空跟你在這裡探討啦。我只是提醒你第一個,你想喔,這麼多單位在調查,再來這些單位source都跟你一樣,他速度卻比你快。\n\n10\n00:03:37,026 --> 00:04:00,152\n因為核心的問題要出來嘛才可以對這件事情做一個結案或了結嘛那你跟他不一樣的部分或許不是今天這個事件的問題核心嘛可是大家怎麼看運安會監察院跟你都同樣的受死你們調出來結果一樣人家監察院為什麼可以速度比你快你的速度比人家慢這個叫做合理性的說明\n\n11\n00:04:00,916 --> 00:04:25,361\n就是運安會恐怕要花一點時間對國會對社會大眾對運安會你們的分級制度調查每一級調查的時間是否合理該被檢視然後這些調查報告如果不一樣未來不要產生爭議在立法院大家有人拿監察院的報告有人拿運安會的報告草野立委又因為大家這個不同又吵的說這個有政治力介入還有什麼\n\n12\n00:04:26,377 --> 00:04:55,590\n我先防患未然啦就你們講運安會的每一個報告其實都在防患未然嘛對不對我也一樣先在這裡提醒這個也因為從終結這個案子你就可以知道第一個我們速度最慢人家仲裁也判了要賠多少錢也判了然後的監察院報告也出來了哇阿當海阿現在純單運安會欸所以這個難怪大家會會質疑嘛好第二個部分我們所有的所有的這個報告啊\n\n13\n00:04:56,264 --> 00:05:21,277\n我們所有的報告每一次運安會的調查都是為了阻止這個下一個事故的發生這個其實報告的精髓在這裡也是運安會成立或者在立法院代表民意的立法委員其實大家最關心的其實就是這個所以在我的看法上剛剛你都被白罵運安會我告訴大家\n\n14\n00:05:22,621 --> 00:05:47,085\n運安會對所有的行政機關我只要透過調查我認為你該改善的部分你沒有改善我告訴主委我如果是主委就對了這個部長哪一個部都一樣你準備要下台這個是人民生命財產的安全我運安會作為一個獨立機關我告訴你你要立即改善什麼避免下一個遺憾的事情再發生\n\n15\n00:05:48,444 --> 00:06:14,762\n我管理部長預算你要編幾年那是你部長的事情啊人命關天的事情在你部長的行政作為當中要排第一順位第二順位第三順位那是你行政部門的事我運安會只負責調查告訴你缺失在哪裡你該如何改善為什麼運安會主委今天站在這裡被立委罵站在這裡的應該是被你調查出來時至今天一大堆的理由包括預算不足人力不足一大堆的不足\n\n16\n00:06:16,124 --> 00:06:37,760\n不足我們就換一個能力好一點的部長或者局長或者署長而不是運安會站在這裡你是獨立機關你今天代表的是專業然後告訴這個行政機關你該怎麼做讓人民在任何空、陸、海各種運輸上面我只要搭乘\n\n17\n00:06:39,158 --> 00:06:56,863\n意外我不敢講,但是只要大家按照規矩走,那個意外發生的比例應該可以降到很低避免下一個遺憾,避免下一個事故再發生,這個才是大家對運安會的期許所以主委我的意思就要告訴你就是說,不用做神父啊\n\n18\n00:07:01,121 --> 00:07:18,320\n你就很勇敢的告訴大家你要怎麼做,那是你行政部門的事情啊你做部長你沒錢,你要趕去想辦法,要去行政院爭取要發揮部長的能力,要不然我們請這麼多部長是要做什麼就是要叫他們快點,這人民、姊妹的問題你要趕去想辦法去處理\n\n19\n00:07:19,681 --> 00:07:46,162\n然後呢時間主席已經站起來了比如說我不知道你們這樣調查出來之後如果這裡面涉及你看齁很多那個那個營建相關的這些公安啊我們都會用那個採購法101條把它移送對不對這些廠商怕得要死啊那運輸安全調查報告同樣一樣要這樣告訴行政機關或者你們想辦法自己來做處置就是對於如果像這些\n\n20\n00:07:47,973 --> 00:07:54,246\n運輸事故發生而涉及到這是施工的不良偷工減料施工設計不好等等\n\n21\n00:07:55,333 --> 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蔡其昌\n75563\t99812\t我們以凍結這個案子就好了所以你知道凍結的仲裁在去年年底我印象如果沒有記錯仲裁就已經宣判這個建設公司要賠台中市政府多少錢去年就已經仲裁結果出來那今年這個監察院的調查報告也出來\n101445\t124736\t主委我其實很擔心一個我不知道會不會發生就是說你想仲裁也在查因為要仲裁要宣判他一定要對事實的本身他有一定程度理解他才可以宣判換言之在仲裁宣判的時候那個宣判者他對於這件事情的整個這個前因後果發生的狀況他一定有所\n125596\t145487\t這個新政他一定有所新政有所了解有所新政他才能夠在仲裁上宣判再來調查的監察委員他也一定一樣跟仲裁委員一樣有一定的新政他也才能夠做出監察院的調查報告那現在問題來了我們是最後那一個啊萬一公布出來跟前面不一樣怎麼辦\n147659\t165278\t主委,你有沒有想過這個問題?剛剛我有聽到,你有回答說應該你跟檢察院是差不多的。如果有一天有一個調查報告出來,你們是不一樣。請問一下,這裡面所有人民的信任,所有可能涉及商務的賠償,到底要誰才會遵守?主委\n169205\t187293\t監察院的調查的跟我們的方向是一致可是我們的報告比他細膩阿對阿萬一監察院沒有調查的部分你們有調查嘛所以只有一個報告那監察院有調查的部分跟你們也有調查的部分如果有一天出現不一樣的時候請問我們該相信誰的\n188140\t215394\t因為他拿的這個resource的資料都一模一樣,不可能會...喔,真的嗎?主委,你真有信心喔?因為我們跟同一個單位拿的資料都一樣,但是我們的分析的角度會跟他當然不同。沒有關係,主委,這個是你應該回去,因為我只有5分鐘,我其實沒有空跟你在這裡探討啦。我只是提醒你第一個,你想喔,這麼多單位在調查,再來這些單位source都跟你一樣,他速度卻比你快。\n217026\t240152\t因為核心的問題要出來嘛才可以對這件事情做一個結案或了結嘛那你跟他不一樣的部分或許不是今天這個事件的問題核心嘛可是大家怎麼看運安會監察院跟你都同樣的受死你們調出來結果一樣人家監察院為什麼可以速度比你快你的速度比人家慢這個叫做合理性的說明\n240916\t265361\t就是運安會恐怕要花一點時間對國會對社會大眾對運安會你們的分級制度調查每一級調查的時間是否合理該被檢視然後這些調查報告如果不一樣未來不要產生爭議在立法院大家有人拿監察院的報告有人拿運安會的報告草野立委又因為大家這個不同又吵的說這個有政治力介入還有什麼\n266377\t295590\t我先防患未然啦就你們講運安會的每一個報告其實都在防患未然嘛對不對我也一樣先在這裡提醒這個也因為從終結這個案子你就可以知道第一個我們速度最慢人家仲裁也判了要賠多少錢也判了然後的監察院報告也出來了哇阿當海阿現在純單運安會欸所以這個難怪大家會會質疑嘛好第二個部分我們所有的所有的這個報告啊\n296264\t321277\t我們所有的報告每一次運安會的調查都是為了阻止這個下一個事故的發生這個其實報告的精髓在這裡也是運安會成立或者在立法院代表民意的立法委員其實大家最關心的其實就是這個所以在我的看法上剛剛你都被白罵運安會我告訴大家\n322621\t347085\t運安會對所有的行政機關我只要透過調查我認為你該改善的部分你沒有改善我告訴主委我如果是主委就對了這個部長哪一個部都一樣你準備要下台這個是人民生命財產的安全我運安會作為一個獨立機關我告訴你你要立即改善什麼避免下一個遺憾的事情再發生\n348444\t374762\t我管理部長預算你要編幾年那是你部長的事情啊人命關天的事情在你部長的行政作為當中要排第一順位第二順位第三順位那是你行政部門的事我運安會只負責調查告訴你缺失在哪裡你該如何改善為什麼運安會主委今天站在這裡被立委罵站在這裡的應該是被你調查出來時至今天一大堆的理由包括預算不足人力不足一大堆的不足\n376124\t397760\t不足我們就換一個能力好一點的部長或者局長或者署長而不是運安會站在這裡你是獨立機關你今天代表的是專業然後告訴這個行政機關你該怎麼做讓人民在任何空、陸、海各種運輸上面我只要搭乘\n399158\t416863\t意外我不敢講,但是只要大家按照規矩走,那個意外發生的比例應該可以降到很低避免下一個遺憾,避免下一個事故再發生,這個才是大家對運安會的期許所以主委我的意思就要告訴你就是說,不用做神父啊\n421121\t438320\t你就很勇敢的告訴大家你要怎麼做,那是你行政部門的事情啊你做部長你沒錢,你要趕去想辦法,要去行政院爭取要發揮部長的能力,要不然我們請這麼多部長是要做什麼就是要叫他們快點,這人民、姊妹的問題你要趕去想辦法去處理\n439681\t466162\t然後呢時間主席已經站起來了比如說我不知道你們這樣調查出來之後如果這裡面涉及你看齁很多那個那個營建相關的這些公安啊我們都會用那個採購法101條把它移送對不對這些廠商怕得要死啊那運輸安全調查報告同樣一樣要這樣告訴行政機關或者你們想辦法自己來做處置就是對於如果像這些\n467973\t474246\t運輸事故發生而涉及到這是施工的不良偷工減料施工設計不好等等\n475333\t497060\t這個也應該要這樣做嘛我是不知道現在有沒有啦我只是舉個例子告訴你運安會應該要做到這樣這是人民的信任這是人民對運安會這個專業單位的信任所以我們要架構起運安會的權威跟專業這個才能夠確保人民的安全所有的行政機關這裡我覺得運安會說的他如果不謹記最好他每天去拜拜啦不然他準備要露台啊我跟你說\n501909\t502269\t蔡其昌副院長\n","txt":"謝謝主席,麻煩運安會林主委林主委主委我剛剛在辦公室裡面看了一下早上的質詢我覺得這個炮火算猛烈邏輯上我認為今天不應該這麼猛烈\n所以我今天只有短短的5分鐘所以我想有幾個問題你可以認真來思考一下本席可以給你一個建議第一個我想我們舉一個例子就好很多委員在探討那個時間就到底要給\n蔡其昌 蔡其昌\n我們以凍結這個案子就好了所以你知道凍結的仲裁在去年年底我印象如果沒有記錯仲裁就已經宣判這個建設公司要賠台中市政府多少錢去年就已經仲裁結果出來那今年這個監察院的調查報告也出來\n主委我其實很擔心一個我不知道會不會發生就是說你想仲裁也在查因為要仲裁要宣判他一定要對事實的本身他有一定程度理解他才可以宣判換言之在仲裁宣判的時候那個宣判者他對於這件事情的整個這個前因後果發生的狀況他一定有所\n這個新政他一定有所新政有所了解有所新政他才能夠在仲裁上宣判再來調查的監察委員他也一定一樣跟仲裁委員一樣有一定的新政他也才能夠做出監察院的調查報告那現在問題來了我們是最後那一個啊萬一公布出來跟前面不一樣怎麼辦\n主委,你有沒有想過這個問題?剛剛我有聽到,你有回答說應該你跟檢察院是差不多的。如果有一天有一個調查報告出來,你們是不一樣。請問一下,這裡面所有人民的信任,所有可能涉及商務的賠償,到底要誰才會遵守?主委\n監察院的調查的跟我們的方向是一致可是我們的報告比他細膩阿對阿萬一監察院沒有調查的部分你們有調查嘛所以只有一個報告那監察院有調查的部分跟你們也有調查的部分如果有一天出現不一樣的時候請問我們該相信誰的\n因為他拿的這個resource的資料都一模一樣,不可能會...喔,真的嗎?主委,你真有信心喔?因為我們跟同一個單位拿的資料都一樣,但是我們的分析的角度會跟他當然不同。沒有關係,主委,這個是你應該回去,因為我只有5分鐘,我其實沒有空跟你在這裡探討啦。我只是提醒你第一個,你想喔,這麼多單位在調查,再來這些單位source都跟你一樣,他速度卻比你快。\n因為核心的問題要出來嘛才可以對這件事情做一個結案或了結嘛那你跟他不一樣的部分或許不是今天這個事件的問題核心嘛可是大家怎麼看運安會監察院跟你都同樣的受死你們調出來結果一樣人家監察院為什麼可以速度比你快你的速度比人家慢這個叫做合理性的說明\n就是運安會恐怕要花一點時間對國會對社會大眾對運安會你們的分級制度調查每一級調查的時間是否合理該被檢視然後這些調查報告如果不一樣未來不要產生爭議在立法院大家有人拿監察院的報告有人拿運安會的報告草野立委又因為大家這個不同又吵的說這個有政治力介入還有什麼\n我先防患未然啦就你們講運安會的每一個報告其實都在防患未然嘛對不對我也一樣先在這裡提醒這個也因為從終結這個案子你就可以知道第一個我們速度最慢人家仲裁也判了要賠多少錢也判了然後的監察院報告也出來了哇阿當海阿現在純單運安會欸所以這個難怪大家會會質疑嘛好第二個部分我們所有的所有的這個報告啊\n我們所有的報告每一次運安會的調查都是為了阻止這個下一個事故的發生這個其實報告的精髓在這裡也是運安會成立或者在立法院代表民意的立法委員其實大家最關心的其實就是這個所以在我的看法上剛剛你都被白罵運安會我告訴大家\n運安會對所有的行政機關我只要透過調查我認為你該改善的部分你沒有改善我告訴主委我如果是主委就對了這個部長哪一個部都一樣你準備要下台這個是人民生命財產的安全我運安會作為一個獨立機關我告訴你你要立即改善什麼避免下一個遺憾的事情再發生\n我管理部長預算你要編幾年那是你部長的事情啊人命關天的事情在你部長的行政作為當中要排第一順位第二順位第三順位那是你行政部門的事我運安會只負責調查告訴你缺失在哪裡你該如何改善為什麼運安會主委今天站在這裡被立委罵站在這裡的應該是被你調查出來時至今天一大堆的理由包括預算不足人力不足一大堆的不足\n不足我們就換一個能力好一點的部長或者局長或者署長而不是運安會站在這裡你是獨立機關你今天代表的是專業然後告訴這個行政機關你該怎麼做讓人民在任何空、陸、海各種運輸上面我只要搭乘\n意外我不敢講,但是只要大家按照規矩走,那個意外發生的比例應該可以降到很低避免下一個遺憾,避免下一個事故再發生,這個才是大家對運安會的期許所以主委我的意思就要告訴你就是說,不用做神父啊\n你就很勇敢的告訴大家你要怎麼做,那是你行政部門的事情啊你做部長你沒錢,你要趕去想辦法,要去行政院爭取要發揮部長的能力,要不然我們請這麼多部長是要做什麼就是要叫他們快點,這人民、姊妹的問題你要趕去想辦法去處理\n然後呢時間主席已經站起來了比如說我不知道你們這樣調查出來之後如果這裡面涉及你看齁很多那個那個營建相關的這些公安啊我們都會用那個採購法101條把它移送對不對這些廠商怕得要死啊那運輸安全調查報告同樣一樣要這樣告訴行政機關或者你們想辦法自己來做處置就是對於如果像這些\n運輸事故發生而涉及到這是施工的不良偷工減料施工設計不好等等\n這個也應該要這樣做嘛我是不知道現在有沒有啦我只是舉個例子告訴你運安會應該要做到這樣這是人民的信任這是人民對運安會這個專業單位的信任所以我們要架構起運安會的權威跟專業這個才能夠確保人民的安全所有的行政機關這裡我覺得運安會說的他如果不謹記最好他每天去拜拜啦不然他準備要露台啊我跟你說\n蔡其昌副院長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.019 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03:35.394\n因為他拿的這個resource的資料都一模一樣,不可能會...喔,真的嗎?主委,你真有信心喔?因為我們跟同一個單位拿的資料都一樣,但是我們的分析的角度會跟他當然不同。沒有關係,主委,這個是你應該回去,因為我只有5分鐘,我其實沒有空跟你在這裡探討啦。我只是提醒你第一個,你想喔,這麼多單位在調查,再來這些單位source都跟你一樣,他速度卻比你快。\n\n03:37.026 --> 04:00.152\n因為核心的問題要出來嘛才可以對這件事情做一個結案或了結嘛那你跟他不一樣的部分或許不是今天這個事件的問題核心嘛可是大家怎麼看運安會監察院跟你都同樣的受死你們調出來結果一樣人家監察院為什麼可以速度比你快你的速度比人家慢這個叫做合理性的說明\n\n04:00.916 --> 04:25.361\n就是運安會恐怕要花一點時間對國會對社會大眾對運安會你們的分級制度調查每一級調查的時間是否合理該被檢視然後這些調查報告如果不一樣未來不要產生爭議在立法院大家有人拿監察院的報告有人拿運安會的報告草野立委又因為大家這個不同又吵的說這個有政治力介入還有什麼\n\n04:26.377 --> 04:55.590\n我先防患未然啦就你們講運安會的每一個報告其實都在防患未然嘛對不對我也一樣先在這裡提醒這個也因為從終結這個案子你就可以知道第一個我們速度最慢人家仲裁也判了要賠多少錢也判了然後的監察院報告也出來了哇阿當海阿現在純單運安會欸所以這個難怪大家會會質疑嘛好第二個部分我們所有的所有的這個報告啊\n\n04:56.264 --> 05:21.277\n我們所有的報告每一次運安會的調查都是為了阻止這個下一個事故的發生這個其實報告的精髓在這裡也是運安會成立或者在立法院代表民意的立法委員其實大家最關心的其實就是這個所以在我的看法上剛剛你都被白罵運安會我告訴大家\n\n05:22.621 --> 05:47.085\n運安會對所有的行政機關我只要透過調查我認為你該改善的部分你沒有改善我告訴主委我如果是主委就對了這個部長哪一個部都一樣你準備要下台這個是人民生命財產的安全我運安會作為一個獨立機關我告訴你你要立即改善什麼避免下一個遺憾的事情再發生\n\n05:48.444 --> 06:14.762\n我管理部長預算你要編幾年那是你部長的事情啊人命關天的事情在你部長的行政作為當中要排第一順位第二順位第三順位那是你行政部門的事我運安會只負責調查告訴你缺失在哪裡你該如何改善為什麼運安會主委今天站在這裡被立委罵站在這裡的應該是被你調查出來時至今天一大堆的理由包括預算不足人力不足一大堆的不足\n\n06:16.124 --> 06:37.760\n不足我們就換一個能力好一點的部長或者局長或者署長而不是運安會站在這裡你是獨立機關你今天代表的是專業然後告訴這個行政機關你該怎麼做讓人民在任何空、陸、海各種運輸上面我只要搭乘\n\n06:39.158 --> 06:56.863\n意外我不敢講,但是只要大家按照規矩走,那個意外發生的比例應該可以降到很低避免下一個遺憾,避免下一個事故再發生,這個才是大家對運安會的期許所以主委我的意思就要告訴你就是說,不用做神父啊\n\n07:01.121 --> 07:18.320\n你就很勇敢的告訴大家你要怎麼做,那是你行政部門的事情啊你做部長你沒錢,你要趕去想辦法,要去行政院爭取要發揮部長的能力,要不然我們請這麼多部長是要做什麼就是要叫他們快點,這人民、姊妹的問題你要趕去想辦法去處理\n\n07:19.681 --> 07:46.162\n然後呢時間主席已經站起來了比如說我不知道你們這樣調查出來之後如果這裡面涉及你看齁很多那個那個營建相關的這些公安啊我們都會用那個採購法101條把它移送對不對這些廠商怕得要死啊那運輸安全調查報告同樣一樣要這樣告訴行政機關或者你們想辦法自己來做處置就是對於如果像這些\n\n07:47.973 --> 07:54.246\n運輸事故發生而涉及到這是施工的不良偷工減料施工設計不好等等\n\n07:55.333 --> 08:17.060\n這個也應該要這樣做嘛我是不知道現在有沒有啦我只是舉個例子告訴你運安會應該要做到這樣這是人民的信任這是人民對運安會這個專業單位的信任所以我們要架構起運安會的權威跟專業這個才能夠確保人民的安全所有的行政機關這裡我覺得運安會說的他如果不謹記最好他每天去拜拜啦不然他準備要露台啊我跟你說\n\n08:21.909 --> 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